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Hola primos y primas,

In my lines I have Diego Delgado and Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano, married 22 Feb 1637 in Aguascalientes. She was daughter of Cristobal Martinez Lozano and Maria de Islas. They’d live on Pendencia in Sierra de Pinos, I have them with four offspring:

1. Baltasar Delgado, m. Petronila Niño
2. Maria de Islas, m. Diego de Guzman y Rivera
3. Juan Delgado, m. Anna Gonzalez de Rubalcava
4. Francisco Delgado, m1. Petra Martin Chavez, m2. Juana Delgado y Valenzuela.

Diego Delgado died sometime before 1671, probably in Pinos, and Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano died in Charcas, SLP, and was buried 16 Jul 1676. Her albaceas were her son, Baltasar and Juan, both who lived in Charcas.

I know Diego Delgado had an older brother named Juan Delgado, who also lived on Pendencia, born around 1604-1607.

Question: are they sons of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz? Their son, Juan Delgado (m1. Juana Rivera, m2. Maria de Vargas), would have been the same age as Diego Delgado’s older brother. (whose signature I have, but none appears on Juan Delgado-Diaz's 1669 dispensa, to compare).

Anyone know anything?

Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Sometime ago I read your findings on Diego Delgado, his wife and family in law. At the time I didn`t realize that Juan Diaz, his father in law happened to be one of the founders of Celaya on January 1st, 1571 (There are no other mentions to a Juan Diaz in the area until at least 1611, and this one was married to a certain Agustina Rodriguez, mestiza and he himself apparently a mestizo, and they both lived in the village of San Miguel in 1614). He and the other founders were granted land at the beginning of 1574 and they made the commitment to keep them for, at least, ten years, but by 1582 he had sold his. This might have happened probably because he was a master shoemaker and not a labrador, and it can also be the reason why he moved to San Luis Potosí.

The founder of Celaya were 30, and they had to be, and actually were, heads of family, i.e. at least married, and in most cases had children. This means that it was highly probable that they were all above 20 years of age. That would most probably made him born on or before 1550, and that's why I doubt some of the facts ttributed to him by RMB, because by the dates he's mentioned by RMB the whole of Celaya's founders on whom there is information were dead (El 6 de febrero de 1618 ante la fe de Juan de Trujillo, escribano real, junto con Pedro Vallejo, maestro zapatero fungió como testigo en la escritura pública de compra-venta de un esclavo negro que vendió Francisco Rodríguez Serrano, maestro de zapatero a Gerónimo de León, panadero. En diciembre de 1623, su nombre aparece, entre otros, como deudor a la sucesión testamentaria de Juan de Elorza. El 27 de octubre de 1655, se constituyó como fiador por la cantidad de 500 pesos en favor de Juan Enríquez, en quien se remató por el Muy Ilustre Ayuntamiento el oficio de depositario general. El 26 de marzo de 1662 junto con su hermano otorgó escritura de reconocimiento de adeudo por la cantidad de 2000 pesos a favor del general León de Alza, representado por Francisco de Alcorta.). He could't be the son of Jerónimo Díaz and nephew of Francisco Román.I'm sure that RMB confiused Diwego Delgado's father in law with another Juan Diaz, which happens to be a very common name.

Juan Díaz appears as a cofrade in the "Testimonio de las constituciones de la archicofradía del Santísimo Sacramento, fundada en la iglesia parrochial del señor San Francisco de esta ciudad de Celaya el año de 1574", kept at the Archives of the Franciscan Province of Michoacan.  In the same archives apperas the following: "Mencía Meléndez, viuda de Bartolomé de Losa, dice, en una cláusula de su testamento, que pasó ante Pedro Téllez de Fonseca a los 30 de enero de 1582, que dicho su marido dejó, por su fin y muerte, cinco caballerías de tierra, las dos y media que compró de Juan Díaz y las otras dos y media que le fueron dadas por su vecindad, con cuatro días de agua, con mas caballería y media de tierra que se compró de Miguel Sánchez y se metió en la dicha hacienda." as well as "… es linde con tierras de Gonzalo Díaz e con tierras de su madre del dicho Pedro Meléndez, que la dicha media caballería de tierras es dentro de las tierras de Alejos de Losa, hermano del dicho Pedro Meléndez, y siendo dentro de las tierras del dicho Alejos de Losa, prestando consentimiento para ello, están sin perjuicio y se le puede hacer la merced que pide por estar la dicha merced a otro de esta villa, que es a Juan Díaz, de quien la recibió y compró Bartolomé de Losa, padre del dicho Pedro Meléndez, ..."

I would very much appreciatte if you could tell the me links to Francisca Gallegos testament.

Best regards,

Héctor

Hola Héctor,

Very interesting and very plausible, that Juan Diaz was among the founders of Celaya. Great lead! From the approximate birth years of his children, he could easily have been born before 1550. And I agree with you about RMB’s assessment, and that he was speaking of another person with the same name, likely Juan Diaz de Silva, who was a maestro zapatero.

According to Fray Cristobal Cabrera’s testimony in his criminal case (Oct 1626), Juan Diaz was living in Sierra de Pinos around 1610, with his daughter and her husband, and that he was very old and extremely poor, for which reason he visited the convent where Fray Cristobal was guardian for meals: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDY-QCXR?cat=31792

Here is a carta de venta, dated 29 Aug 1617, Juan Diaz, resident of San Luis Potosi, sells partes de dos minas que tiene en Sierra de Pinos to Pedro de Castañeda. I can’t say with complete certainty that this is our Juan Diaz, but he mentions that the mines were originally registered in his name by Diego Delgado: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSC6-3J4W?cat=3751635

On 25 Sep 1617, Juan Diaz otorga su poder a Diego Delgado y a Juan Fonseca. I’m unable to decipher the document, but it appears to be regarding Pedro de Castañeda and Alonso de Rojas and a carta de venta - probably the above document. Again, I can’t be certain that this is our Juan Diaz, but Diego Delgado and Juan Fonseca were the yernos of our Juan Diaz. The only thing is, this Juan Diaz signed his name, whereas the one from 29 Aug didn’t - dijo que no sabe escribir: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSC6-3Y3R?cat=3751635

Here Francisca Gallegos grants power to her husband Juan Fonseca, 25 Sep 1617: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSC6-3Y4S?cat=3751635

Here, pleito de Francisca Gallegos, dated 27 Jan 1645, contra los bienes del Fray Juan Otañez, for money that he owed her for raising his hijo natural in her house: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSC6-79MP-G?cat=3751635

Here is the testamento de Francisca Gallegos, 17 Nov 1653: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSC6-794G-F?cat=3751635

Thank you so much for the terrific lead!

Un abrazo,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hola, Manny,

Congratulations on your research. It is truly impressive. I'm very grateful to you because the information that you provide has helped me get a more precise idea on another of Celaya's founders.

As I believe I mentioned before, all of Celaya's founders on whom I have been able to gather information other than their names and land grants were dead by 1600. Although it's not impossible that the Juan Diaz that you have found coul've been one of the founders, there is a chance that he might have been his son. By January 1st, 1571, they were all heads of a family and, if I'm correct, they all had to be of at least 25 years of age, or have been emancipated by their fathers.

Another of the founders was Juan Gallego, who seems to have had a son, Hernan Gallego or Gallegos, married to a Mexican indian and living in Apaseo at the beginning of the XVII century. Little more is known about him. But considering that many of the founders participed in the foundation of the village together with their father, a brother, a father in law, etc., it wouldn't be impossible that Maria Gallegos, the wife of our Juan Diaz, could've been related to Juan Gallego. Nothing conclusive though.

Here are references to some interesting documents:

AGN, Tierras, Volumen 2974, Exp. 36, Fs. 1v-3f  - COMPULSORÍA PARA TRAER UN TRASLADO DE UN PROCESO DE LA VILLA DE CELAYA DE PEDIMENTO DE HERNÁN GALLEGO VECINO DEL PUEBLO DE APASEO.

AGN, Inquisición, Volumen 278, Exp.15, Fs. 323v - LEONOR LÓPEZ, INDIA MEXICANA LADINA, TOCANTE A RAFAEL HERNÁNDEZ. En la villa de Celaya, provincia y obispado de Michoacán de la Nueva España, en tres días del mes de noviembre de mil y seiscientos y catorce años, ante fray Diego Muñoz de la orden de señor San Francisco y por su mandado en virtud de la comisión del Santo Oficio, pareció (siendo llamada), y ante mí, fray Ambrosio Carrillo, notario, juró en forma debida de derecho de decir verdad una india mexicana ladina, que dijo llamarse Leonor López, vecina de Apaseo, distrito de la villa, viuda de Hernán Gallegos, de buen entendimiento y de edad de cincuenta años, conteste señalado por Leonor Mejía, española, en las palabras que dijo Rafael Hernández ...

ARCHIVO HISTORICO DE LA PROVINCIA FRANCISCANA DE MICHOACAN, Fondo Provincia, Sección Conventos, Serie Celaya, Caja 14, No. 23 - FUNDACION DE LA COFRADIA DEL SANTISIMO SACRAMENTO. Testimonio de las constituciones de la archicofradía del Santísimo Sacramento, fundada en la iglesia parrochial del señor San Francisco de esta ciudad de Celaya el año de 1574, sacado el año presente de 1713 / Cajón 3, No. 36. "En el nombre de la Santísima Trinidad se instituye la Cofradía y Hermandad del Santísimo Sacramento del altar, en esta villa de Zelaya, en el año de mil y quinientos y setenta y cuatro, en el convento del señor San Francisco de esta dicha villa, adonde instituimos esta nuestra cofradía y debajo de cuya protección nos amparamos, siendo guardián de dicho convento el R.P. fray Antonio de Liñán, a cuya petición y deseo se juntaron los vecinos de esta villa y tuvieron por bien de tener en el dicho convento de Nuestra Señora de la Limpia Concepción de esta dicha villa alguna cosa memorable y que Dios nuestro señor se sirviese y sus ánimas gocen, pues sola su pretensión es la salvación de sus ánimas. Y atento a que en nuestros tiempos no hallamos en que mejor los emplear que en la honra del Santísimo Sacramento, pues es el pan vivo y vino del cielo y da vida eterna, y de la honra que en este mundo se hace no solamente se sigue en l vida venidera mucho bien, más en este siglo es alivio y hay exenciones y libertados espirituales de que gozan los hermanos de esta Santa Cofradía, según consta de los sumarios de las indulgencias por los santos Padres de Roma concedidas a los que fueren hermanos y cofrades de la dicha hermandad, los cuales nos nombramos aquí todos Domingo de Silva y Pedro Sánchez, Alcaldes. Martín Hernández y Gonzalo Díaz (del Campo); Diego Pérez de Lemos, Miguel Sánchez (Izquierdo), Miguel Juan (de Santillán), Miguel Muñiz. Lope García (de León), Pedro González Peinado, Cristóbal Benítez, Martín de Ortega, Gonzalo Jorge, Juan Gallego, Juan Díaz, Pedro de Olmos, Alonso Muñoz, Baptista de Figueroa; Francisco Arias el Viejo, Francisco Arias el Mozo, todos vecinos y moradores de esta dicha villa, unánimes y conformes, por nos y todos los demás cofrades que de hoy ... E los que supieron firmar lo firmaron de su nombre. Domingo de Silva= Martín Hernández= Pedro González Peinado= Miguel Sánchez= Gonzalo Díaz= Rodrigo de Soto= Francisco Arias el Mozo= Lope García= Pero Sánchez de Alcalá= Miguel Juan= Martín de Ortega= Juan Gallego= Diego Pérez de Lemos= Francisco Arias el Viejo= Miguel Muñiz= ante mi, Diego Hernández Aguado, escribano nombrado por Cristóbal Benítez y Pedro del Olmo y Alonso Muñoz y Juan Díaz por no saber firmar, firmó a su ruego el R.P. Fr. Juan Crespo.

By 1582 Juan had sold his grant of land in Celaya and I have been unable to found any more info on him. However, from 1583 on there is a Juan Diaz being a merchant in in the village of San Felipe in Chichimecas (San Felipe Torresmochas), who didn't sign documents because he was illiterate.

That's all I can cobntribute to Juan Diaz by know. Let us hope to get lucky and find more clues.

Best regards and abrazo Manny.

Hector

 

 

 

I am sorry I cannot answer your question, but I do want to give you information (In case you don't have it) about one of your Delgado ancestors.

I came across this while researching my own Delgado line from Tlaltenango and Atolinga, Zacatecas.

Juan Delgado is in the following book "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" the link follows:

http://www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf

He is listed among the Spanish Patriots who fought against England during the American Revolution. He is listed alphabetically on page 48 on the pdf document. He was son of Bartolome Delgado, who was son of Francisco Delgado, who was son of Diego Delgado as you previously posted.

Other helpful links.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5F8-DQV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5FZ-KNN

I hope this helps your research.

Ruben

Hello Ruben,

Thank you for sharing that. I was approached by a member of the DAR in regards to that historic link; as it turns out, Juan Joseph Delgado was actually the grandson of my g7's Bartolome Delgado and Francisca Josefa Echevarria y Merquelin, and son of Juan Manuel Delgado and Matiana Contreras. So, he was my 1st-cousin 7 times removed (so my sisters don't qualify for the DAR).

It's great to have a link between our zacatenos and the American Revolution!

Do you descend from this same family?

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Thank you Manny for asking the questions about Diego Delgado and Juana Dias. And thank you Ruben for the most valuable information on Juan Joseph.
Juan Joseph Delgado (2nd Cousin 6x)although he is related from his mother Mateana Contreras Rodriguez as well, I had the informational PDF when I first started last year but I forgot I had it. I was able to add his family to my ancestry account and only merged his 1st and second wife Juana diaz Trevino montemayor etc that were listed on the PDF. Here is his ID(L44C-41J) on Familysearch.org. Happy Holidays to all!!

Hola primos y primas,

I was going through notary records in San Luis Potosi, and I found Diego Delgado, miner from "El Descubrimiento de Nuestra Señora de la Concepcion de Sierra de Pinos," registering some mines in Pinos. From the timeline, I'd say this is Diego Delgado, who was married to Juana Diaz:

24 Jan 1603, Registro de Minas
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7NS?mode=g&i=163&wc=…

11 Mar 1604, Registro de Minas
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7JN?mode=g&i=113&wc=…

His name also appears in other mine claims on the same roll, in reference to other mines registered in Pinos.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Manny,

This is good information. Its really nice to find out how our ancestors made their money. Do you know what kind of mine it was like gold or silver? Also you say they lived on Pendencia, is that a place or does that mean something? also when someone is registering a mine does that mean they own the mine? i recently connected to this family through my ancestor Rafaela Delgado

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Delgado-287

Danny C. Alonso

Hi Danny,

San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas were known for their silver mines, though there was some gold, mercury and other metals. These would be "mine claims," as we call them in English, and yes, the registrants owned the mines, unless they were registering them in someone else's name.

Pendencia is a hacienda, north of the town of Pinos; these days, it's a "mezcalero" hacienda, where they grow cactus and distill their own tequila.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola Primos,

I think I’ve found the two documents that can establish that Diego Delgado, who married Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano, was the son of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz.

This is the IM for Nicolas Gomez, Mulato Esclavo de Diego Delgado, of the Pendencia, for his marriage to Juana Maria India, 11 Sep 1647, in San Matias, Pinos.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7RG-6?i=45&wc=3PS9-W38

Appearing as testigos, are brothers, Juan Delgado (35y) and Diego Delgado “El Moso” (25y), españoles, vecinos de la Pendencia. According to Juan’s declaration, Nicolas was born in the home of his brother, Diego Delgado, who is Nicolas’s master. Diego Delgado El Moso says he’s known Nicolas for 18 years, and that he was born in the home of his father, Diego Delgado (“El Viejo”).

From the timeline, approximate ages and location, we can surmise that Diego Delgado “El Viejo” is the same who married Juana Diaz, and Juan Delgado is their son, b. 9 May 1604, married to Maria de Vargas and to Juana de Rivera. This IM establishes that they also had a son named Diego Delgado, who was born around the same time as the one who married Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano. They’re the same person.

To support this, is the IM of Diego Guzman and Maria de Islas, daughter of Diego Delgado and Isabel de Islas, on which Juan Delgado was a testigo, and on which he declares that he is the legitimate brother of the bride’s father (Diego Delgado).

Their signatures on both documents match (though they’ve abbreviated “Diego” and “Juan”).

IM for Diego Guzman and Maria de Islas, 16 Nov 1662, San Matias Pinos:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B71V-K?mode=g&i=244&wc=3PS…

Please review.

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

I wanted to make a correction, regarding this entry, since it's not a mine claim, but the registration of a lot in Pinos, with an ore mill & smelter, quarters for Indians, and a main house. It had a water hole and was next to the lot of Pedro Narbais [de Carvajal]:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7NS?mode=g&i=163&wc=…

The only baptism record I have for their children is for Juan, b. 9 May 1604, Sagrario, SLP. He's likely the oldest, so Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz might have been married the previous Jun 1603, and in SLP.

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola prim@s,

I thought I’d do some catch-up on the Delgado’s of the Pendencia. It’s been more than 6 years since I started this thread, and I’ve accumulated some information about this family since.

First of all, I can confirm that Diego Delgado “el Mozo” and Juan Delgado were the sons of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz. On 13 Mar 1656, Diego Delgado, resident of La Pendencia in the jurisdiction of Sierra de Pinos, born in the City of Celaya, the legitimate son of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz, gave power of attorney to doña Isabel Martinez Lozano his wife, and to Juan Delgado his brother, and to Juan Martin Chavez, miner and resident of La Pendencia, so that they could write his testamento, as he was very sick and unable to do so. He named as his legitimate children and heirs:
- Juan Delgado age 16 (b. 10 Sep 1639, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
- Baltasar Delgado age 14, (b. 2 Jan 1641, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
- Francisco Delgado age 8 (b. 23 Apr 1647, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
- Maria de Isla age 12 (b. 7 Jan 1644, San Matias, Pinos, Zac.)
He also said that, before he married, he had an hijo natural named Diego Delgado, born to an unmarried woman.

Diego Delgado evidently didn’t die at this time, since later that same year, on 17 Nov 1756, he donated a slave named Luis, age 20, to his brother, Joseph Delgado; on 16 Nov 1662, he arranged the marriage of his daughter, Maria de Isla, to Diego Guzman; on 12 Sep 1663, he was still alive, when his son-in-law, Diego Guzman, sold a slave on his behalf.

By 22 Oct 1665, Diego Delgado was already deceased, when Isabel Martinez Lozano gave power of attorney to her son, Juan Delgado, to adjust the accounts of a hacienda of which Diego Delgado was the administrator, and which belonged to the heirs of Francisco Cardona and Miguel Cardona.

Isabel de Islas Martin Lozano died and was buried on 16 Jul 1676, in Real de Charcas, SLP.

DIEGO DELGADO cc JUANA DIAZ

I still don’t have a fix on the elder Diego Delgado’s origins. I do know that he was living in San Luis Potosi as early as 24 Sep 1600, when he was a witness present for a business transaction. Other key dates during the period:

On 28 Feb 1601, when recognizing that he owed Antonio de Espinosa 264 pesos, Diego Delgado’s occupation is given as “sastre,” or “tailor.”
On 30 Mar 1602, Pedro Mateos, resident of San Luis Potosi, donated one half of all of his mines and shares of mines to Diego Delgado, “to whom he was in great debt, for the many great works that he has done.”

On the other hand, I’ve had more luck with Juana Diaz’s origins. I recently had a big break-through, and it came tucked away in the pages of an Inquisition document. In 1626, Padre Fray Cristobal Cabrera, who had served as guardian of the Convento de San Francisco in Sierra de Pinos during the early 1610’s, was accused of soliciting sex from female parishioners during his sojourn. Among his accusers was a woman named Francisca de Gallegos (b. 1591), the wife of Juan de Fonseca. In September 1627, she was absent from town and unable to give a statement, so added to what appears to be a list of possible witnesses were “Juan Fonseca, husband of Francisca de Gallegos, her sister, Juana Diaz, her brother-in-law, Diego Delgado, and her nephew, Diego Delgado … who live on La Pendencia next to Pinos.”
I couldn’t believe my luck! I quickly referred to the indexes of the early San Matias parish archives, but neither Francisca Gallegos’ nor her husband’s names appear. On a whim, I checked RMB’s “Diccionario,” and as luck would have it, he has an entry for Francisca Gallegos, in which he names her as the daughter of Juan Diaz, maestro zapatero, and of doña Maria de Gallegos. Bingo. They would be the parents of Juana Diaz, the wife of Diego Delgado.

I don’t have any more information about Juan Diaz and doña Maria de Gallegos at this time. But one thing that’s been bugging me is, in the 17 Nov 1653 testamento of their daughter, Francisca de Gallegos, in the introduction, she says, “En el nombre de Dios todo Poderosso amen Se Panquantos esta carta Vieren como yo franca gallegos vezina deste Pueblo de San luis potosi viuda de Juo de fonseca difunto natural de la Villa de Selaya hija Lexitima de Maria gallegos y de Juan Diaz mis padres ya difuntos.”

In his entry for Francisca Gallegos, RMB says that it is her husband who was “natural de la Villa de Celaya”; I am going to assume that this is from where he got that information. But when I read this, when she says “natural de la Villa de Celaya,” she’s referring to herself, and not to him: this is all about her. This makes a big difference, because, Juan Diaz and Maria de Gallegos had to be living somewhere else before arriving in SLP, which was founded in 1592. This would also explain why Diego Delgado “el Mozo” was born in Celaya: at least one of his parents’ families had a presence there.

The children of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz are:
- Juan Delgado, b. 09 May 1604, Sagrario, San Luis Potosi; m1. Juana de Rivera, m2. Maria de Vargas Cardona.
- Diego Delgado, m. Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano.
- Joseph Delgado, b. 30 May 1613, San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas; m. Francisca Tiscareño y Gabay
- Hernando Delgado, c. 06 Jun 1621, San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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