Hola primos y primas,
I have this person in my lines (various times), and I’ve been racking my brains on him for the last couple of years. I think I’ve finally accumulated enough information to formulate a theory (albeit a very loose theory), which I’d like to air-out here, for review and discussion.
These are the 3 documents I will be referencing and dissecting:
I. IM: Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Muñoz, 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BPDG-3?mode=g&i=572&wc=3PS…
II. Dispensa: Nicolas de Castañeda and Maria Gomez, 9 Jun 1712, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW39-LV?mode=g&i=489&wc=3J…
III. Dispensa: Nicolas Alonso and Petra Delgadillo, 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YLN-2?mode=g&i=5&wc=3J44-…
I. IM: JUAN ANTONIO GAITAN & MARIA MANUELA MUÑOZ 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos
These are my g5's, Juan Antonio Gaitan-Delgado and Maria Manuela Muñoz-Gomez. Upon first reading this IM, I was blown away, because I learned that the pretensos were 4th-cousins, and the ecclesiastical authority (bless their eternal souls!) thought it was important enough to mention. They even give a tree, going back an unbelievable 4 generations:
Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas-1-Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Maria Gomez de Ruelas-2-Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-5-Maria Manuela Muñoz
Testigo #1 is grandfather of the bride, Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor, age 66 (ca. 1682, Zacatecas, Zac), owner if Santa Rita, and Testigo # 2 is father of the groom, Francisco Xavier Gaitan (b. 1691, Irapuato, Gto), silver miner. I'm not convinced their genealogy is accurate, due to the number of years and generations involved, and the ages of the testigos (their info is likely 2nd-hand).
GONZALO GOMEZ
I’ve been unable to find anything on Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas, but I have located his daughter, Maria de las Ruelas aka Maria Blanca. She married Joseph Gaitan-Castañeda, of SLP, some time between Oct 1649 and 01 Sep 1653, when they first appear together as padrinos, in Villa de Reyes, SLP. They would baptize 5 children in Sagrario SLP, between 1654-1665, and then move to Charcas, SLP, around 1670. They both died and were buried in Sagrario SLP. I still haven’t located their marriage records, so I don’t know where she’s from. They are the parents of Miguel Gaitan cc Antonia Arias de Bedoya, who arrived in Sierra de Pinos 1706-1708.
JUAN GOMEZ NIETO
I managed to track Juan Gomez de Ruelas back to Santa Fe, Gto; he was married to Teresa Guerrero aka Maria Teresa Martin/ez, and they baptized a number of children in different parts of Guanajuato, from 1654-1670. He died by 1683. On the baptism record for their first child, Juan Gomez is listed as "Juan Gomez Nieto." They might also be Juan Nieto and Maria Paredes aka Maria Mendoza, who baptized 2 sons in Nstra Sra de Gto, but I still haven't seen "Paredes" nor "Mendoza" anywhere else, so they're tentative. There was also a Juan Gomez Nieto and Teresa Pacheco whose daughter, Maria Gomez, married Juan Lopes de Cardenas 4 Aug 1669 in Sta Catalina Martir, DF. Also tentative (their timeline does allow all 3 dates).
GOMEZ DE RUELAS Y SOTOMAYOR
Juan Gomez and Teresa Guerrero are the progenitors of the "Gomez de Ruelas" and "Gomez de Sotomayor" surnames in Sierra de Pinos. Descendants also used "Gomez de Ruelas y Sotomayor," and various combinations of the 3 component surnames. Of their 7 confirmed children, most would migrate to Pinos, the first arriving in 1689; one branch settled on Guadalupe de los Pozos, another on Santa Rita, and another on Bocas, near Ojuelos. One daughter, Matiana Gomez de Ruelas (b. 12 Mar 1670, Nstra Sra de Gto), was married to Nicolas de Carrion. Note: "Gomez de Sotomayor" is also a dynastic surname originating in Spain, and appearing in other parts of Nueva Galicia. I don't know if there is a link.
II. DISPENSA: NICOLAS ALONSO & PETRA DELGADILLO 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.
This one caught me eye, because the names “Gonzalo Gomez” and “Maria Blanca Gomez” appear, which can't be a coincidence - there must be a link between these 2 FGs. This dispensa has been referenced in other NR threads, and Don Jaime Holcombe cites it in his “Varias Cartas” (p 76).
A tree is given (I’ll include spouses' names):
Gonzalo Gomez-1-Maria de Islas y Moctezuma
(Augustina de Ruelas) (Andres Martinez de Sotomayor)
Antonio Gomez Garcia-2-Margarita de Sotomayor
(Francisca Flores de la Torres) (Joseph de Leon)
Maria Blanca Gomez-3-Rosa Manuela de Leon
(Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos) (Pedro Delgadillo)
Nicolas Alonso-4-Petra Delgadillo
Most read this as, Gonzalo Gomez and Maria de Islas are siblings, hence, Gonzalo Gomez is a son of Benito de la Isla-Lavezaris, who would be the tronco. I don’t agree with this interpretation.
We’ve all read enough of these old declarations, to know that the word “hermano” was regularly used for “cuñado.” Also, a spouse's name was used, if the relevant ancestor's name is forgotten. So one must always look into the possibility that the relationship is through the spouses, rather than through those named. In this case, it is already verified that Augustina de las Ruelas and Andres Martinez de Sotomayor are siblings, legitimate children of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de Ruelas, who are the tronco of this tree, not Benito de la Isla. There is no mention of the pretensos descending "de dos lineas iguales," so the parentesco is likely only through the Martinez de Sotomayor. Added to that is fact that nowhere amongst the known descendants of Benito de la Isla, does the name "Gomez" appear, and nowhere amongst the known descendants of Gonzalo Gomez, does the name "Isla" appear (as far as I know). It's possible, but it's just not probable. That is my opinion. Gonzalo Gomez is not the brother of Maria de Islas nor the son of Benito de la Isla.
This opens the possibility that this Gonzalo Gomez is our man, and that he and his wife, Augustina de las Ruelas, are the progenitors of the [Gomez] + [Ruelas y Sotomayor] surname. From her timeline, Maria Blanca de Ruelas, cc Joseph Gaitan, could very well have been their daughter (their first child was baptized in 1654). But that doesn't explain why his brother, Juan Gomez, also uses the Ruelas y Sotomayor surname - unless, the genealogy given in the 1748 IM was incorrect: a generation lost, a mistaken relationship, a wrong name, surnames added (remember, it was written 100 years after the fact, by witnesses who had no contact with the earlier generations). Juan Gomez's first son was baptized in 1654, so he was a contemporary of Maria Blanca, and could be her brother. What if he was? Here's a revised tree:
(Tronco: Gonzalo Gomez cc Augustina de Ruelas)
Maria Blanca de Ruelas-1-Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-2-Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Juan Antonio Gaitan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -5-Maria Manuela Muñoz
This works better, as far as the timeline. The pretensos would be at 4/5 and might've required a dispensa. Let's work with this model.
III. DISPENSA: NICOLAS DE CASTAÑEDA & MARIA GOMEZ 9 Jun 1712, San Matias, Pinos
Nicolas de Castañeda was son of Antonio Castañeda and Tomasa Carrion; Maria Gomez was daughter of Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor and Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor, and granddaughter of Juan Gomez Nieto.
They shared consanguinity in 2 lines, but we're only interested in the Nieto/Sotomayor link here.
The dispensa says they were at 4o grado, because the bride is great-granddaughter of Blas Nieto, who was brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor, who was great-grandmother of the groom. The genealogy isn’t explained, but it would look like this:
Jacinta de Sotomayor-1-Blas Nieto
(Pedro de Castañeda) ( Unknown)
Nicolas de Castañeda-2-Juan Gomez Nieto
(Ana de Vargas) (Maria Teresa Martinez Guerrero)
Antonio de Castañeda-3-Matias Gomez de Sotomayor
(Tomasa de Carrion) (Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor)
Nicolas de Castañeda-4-Maria Gomez Ruiz
This one has stumped many. The Castañeda line is well-documented, but no one has managed to establish the genealogy of Jacinta de Sotomayor. And Blas Nieto just drops off the map. We do see "Nieto" appear as one of Juan Gomez's surnames, who also had a son named, "Blas." So Blas Nieto is his ancestor. I just don't know if he's in the right place.
Again, we might be looking at this genealogy wrong, and this might be another case of "hermano=cuñado”: Jacinta de Sotomayor and Blas Nieto can easily be in-laws, rather than siblings, and the relationship is through his wife, who a sister of Jacinta de Sotomayor.
But, we've already decided that Juan Gomez Nieto was the son of Gonzalo Gomez and Augustina de Ruelas: is Blas Nieto aka Gonzalo Gomez? Not necessarily, he might be in the wrong place, as I mentioned, he might be Gonzalo's father (I've really grown a distrust for testigos, haven't I! bear with me). Let's redo the genealogy in this dispensa, using the Gonzalo Gomez model, and using his spouse's name:
Jacinta de Sotomayor-1-Agustina de las Ruelas
Nicolas de Castañeda-2-Juan Gomez Nieto
Antonio de Castañeda-3-Matias Gomez de Sotomayor
Nicolas de Castañeda-4-Maria Gomez Ruiz
This would establish Jacinta de Sotomayor as a daughter of Andres Martin and Maria de Ruelas.
This is conjecture. Take it. Throw it into your processors and please share what comes out.
Gracias y Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Jusepe Gaitan 4 April 1615
this is baptism link to jusepe gaitan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG2L-1ZL
I went looking for Maria de Ruelas (L2C5-XJ1 on Familysearch.org, Last July, I had been linking Bobadilla family. When I went back someone had linked Maria de Ruelas to Gonzalo Gomez Cervantes that goes back to the 1200. Around 1300 there is the name sotomayor. There are no sources attach so don't know how credible.
Back to Maria and Joseph and their son Miguel married to arias, they have a son named anastacio (MGMP-ZW7) who marries Francisca Rodriguez (MGMP-ZW7). Francisca's brother Joaquin Rodriguez Herrera (LZ83-L4L) is married to Maria Barbara Martin de las Ruelas
If this is all revisited information, but you would like to know if someone adds to their records just click on the star above their profile and you will get updates on these people if there are any changes.
Parents of Pedro Nieto
This month I discovered an excellent book: Diccionario biografico de antiguos pobladores de San Luis Potosi 1592-1666 by Rafael Morales Bocardo. The author is the director of the Archivo Historico del Estado de San Luis Potosi. What an amazing source. This book covers the early years when SLP was abuzz with people registering mines (think nearby Pinos), recording documents (think dowries and testaments) and going about their daily activities.
I already had a FGS of Pedro Nieto and Josepha Corona with nine children identified. This book provides more...
NIETO, PEDRO. Originario de la Villa de Linares en los Reinos de Portugal. Hijo legitimo de Hernando de Almeida y de Isabel Hernandez. Casado con Doña Josefa Corona. Vecino de la Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas, y estante en el pueblo y Minas de San Luis.
El 5 de junio de 1658, ante la fe de Alonso de Pastrana, escribano real, otorgo su testamento en el que nombro por su albacea y heredera a su esposa.
In a few minutes I'll upload my FGS of Nieto Corona to my Dropbox account. Will also upload pages 457 and 458 of the book which includes an Alonso Nieto (cc Francisca de Paz) from SLP.
Mary Lou
Rafael Morales Bocardo
Mary Lou,
Thank you for suggesting Rafael Morales Bocardo's book - I ordered a copy, and it really helped knock some bricks loose, especially regarding my g8's Juan Lopez de Avila and Mariana de Sosa - I now have her parents (Antonio de San Martin and Maria Gonzalez), which helped me find their marriage record (Juan Lopes con Mariana Gonzalez, 14 Jan 1607, Sag. SLP).
It also gave some interesting clues re: my g8's, Felipe Gaytan and Anna de Castaneda y Loaysa (parents of Jusepe Gaytan, mentioned by Simona, and married to Maria Blanca de Ruelas); RMB gives him the name Felipe Gaytan de Ayala, which is new to me (none of his descendants would use "Ayala," as far as I know), and which links him to that dynasty in Toledo, Spain.
Great resource, lots of info on many of my SLP AND Pinos lines.
THE ELUSIVE BLAS NIETO
The 18 Oct 1626 baptism of Gertrudis, daughter of Blas Nieto and Beatriz Lopez, that you mentioned, is tantalizing especially as the padrinos were Gonzalo Gomez and Ysabel Marin. One really needs to make a trip to San Matias, Sierra de Pinos!
I've found a Blas Nieto cc Margarita Lopez, baptizing 3 children in San Felipe Apostol, San Felipe Gto, between 1634 and 1641. I flagged him, because San Felipe is just down the road from Sierra de Pinos, plus, Juan Gomez Nieto lived in Gto, and one of his daughters married in San Felipe. Could be another son.
There was also Blas Nieto married to Ysabel Perez, who baptized Juan, 27 Oct 1637, Sagrario SLP.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Diccionario biografico de antiguos pobladores de San Luis Potosi
Sounds like a great book, do you recommend a place to purchase it? Thanks
Diccionario biografico de antiguos pobladores de San Luis Potosi
Hi Simona,
I ordered online it through Abe's Books.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
San Luis Potosi
I had looked for it at Abe's didn't find it so I was about to either order from the University of San Luis Potosi, it was 500. pesos plus 25.00 dls. delivery to the States. Then I thought to ask my cousin who works at one of the University's in San Luis before he retires in May. Thanks Mucho!
MARTIN DE RUELAS & GOMEZ DE RUELAS
Hola prim@s,
I believe I just found a piece of the puzzle connecting these two dynasties:
This is the 4 Jul 1679 IM for Jacinto Joseph Diaz and Maria de San Juan Gaitan, married in Sagrario, SLP:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-8C1Z-S?i=621&wc=3NTX-7M3
Maria de San Juan was daughter of Jusepe Gaytan and Maria Blanca de Ruelas.
The first two testigos were Joseph Martin de las Ruelas (30) and Juan Martin (20). I believe they are sons of Joseph Martin de Sotomayor and Anna Vicente Diaz. According to their statements, Joseph and Juan Martin were cousins at 3o degrees with Maria de San Juan Gaitan, establishing a blood link between the Martin de Ruelas and the Gomez de Ruelas (finally!).
From the 1748 IM of Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Muñoz, we know that Maria Blanca de Ruelas was daughter of Gonzalo Gomez, who was son of Blas Nieto; from what we know of the Martin Camacho de Sotomayor, the relationship would look like this:
Maria Ruelas -1-Blas Nieto
Jusepe Martin-2-Gonzalo Gomez
Joseph Martin-3-Maria Blanca
- - - - - - - - - -4-Maria de San Juan
Of course, it’s possible that the relationship is through the Gaitan or the Diaz Medel, but from what we already know about these families, this is the most probable scenario.
It's looking more & more like Maria de las Ruelas, Blas Nieto and Jacinta de Sotomayor are siblings.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
GONZALO GOMEZ + RUELAS Y SOTOMAYOR
Manny,
Maria de las Ruelas and Jacinta de Sotomayor make sense, but where does the Nieto come from?
Danny C. Alonso
BLAS NIETO, JACINTA DE SOTOMAYOR & MARIA DE LAS RUELAS: SIBLINGS
Hola Prim@s,
Since everything was posted over time (and among the clutter of my theories!), I'll summarize how this relationship is established in a few paragraphs:
In the 9 Jun 1712 dispensa for Nicolas Castañeda cc Maria Gomez, Blas Nieto is named as brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor, and great-grandfather of the bride:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW39-LV?i=489&wc=3J4Z-2NL
Jacinta de Sotomayor-1-Blas Nieto
Nicolas Castañeda-2-Juan Gomez Nieto
Antonio Castañeda-3-Matias Gomez de Sotomayor
Nicolas Castañeda-4-Maria Gomez y Ruiz
In the 15 Jun 1748 IM for Juan Antonio Gaitan cc Maria Manuela Muñoz, we learn that Juan Gomez Nieto aka Juan Gomez de las Ruelas, has a brother named Gonzalo Gomez, who had a daughter named Maria Gomez de las Ruelas (aka Maria Blanca), who married into the Gaytan de Ayala family, of SLP:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BPDG-3?i=572&wc=3PS9-166
(Tronco: Blas Nieto)
Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas - 1 - Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Maria Blanca Gomez de Ruelas - 2 - Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan - 3 - Nicolas Gomez de Soyomayor
Francisco Xavier Gaitan - 4 - Maria Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan - 5 - Maria Manuela Muñoz
In the 4 Jul 1679 IM for Jacinto Joseph Diaz and Maria de San Juan Gaitan, daughter of Maria Blanca Gomez de las Ruelas, we learn that the witnesses, Joseph Martin de las Ruelas and Juan Martin, are at 3 degrees with the bride (2nd-cousins). From what we know of the Martin Camacho de Sotomayor, and what we learned in the previous 2 documents, the relationship would look like this:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-8C1Z-S?i=621&wc=3NTX-7M3
Maria de las Ruelas -1-Blas Nieto
Joseph Martin de Sotomayor-2-Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas
Joseph Martin de las Ruelas-3-Maria Blanca Gomez de las Ruelas
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4-Maria de San Juan Gaitan
They were actually at 3-4 with the bride, or 2nd cousins, once removed.
The 3 documents, together, establish that Blas Nieto, Jacinta de Sotomayor, and Maria de las Ruelas were siblings.
Hi Danny, we discussed Nieto earlier in this thread, if you'd like to go back and review.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
BLAS NIETO, JACINTA DE SOTOMAYOR & MARIA DE LAS RUELAS: SIBLINGS
Hi Manny,
I'm a little confused. My thought is similar to Danny's, I get the Jacinta and Maria relationship, but where does the Nieto fit in? I think all the theories have confused me. Or maybe just the similar names. I descend from Jacinta de Sotomayor, wife of Pedro de Castaneda. At one point, I thought you suggested that she's the daughter of Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas, am I reading that right? Or is she a different Jacinta de Sotomayor than the one that is the sister of Maria de las Ruelas, because I thought you mentioned that she's the daughter of Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas? And, where does the Nieto come from? I'm confused. Help!
Also, you mentioned that the Castaneda line is well documented, but, I don't have anyone beyond Pedro Castaneda? Do you have his ancestry? And, who are the parents of Jacinta? Sorry Manny.
Paige
BLAS NIETO, JACINTA DE SOTOMAYOR & MARIA DE LAS RUELAS: SIBLINGS
Hi Paige,
I’m sorry, I don’t understand the question, “why Nieto”? Blas Nieto is mentioned on the Nicolas Castaneda/Maria Gomez dispensa, as brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor. I included a link to the actual document, look at the first page, right image, last 4 lines.
When I said the Castaneda were well-documented, again, I’m sorry, I meant their descendants. I don’t descend from them, but I’ve seen them in Wikitree and discussed in these forums. I don’t know Pedro Castaneda’s origin.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Blas, Jacinta, Maria
Hi Manny,
Sorry, I was unclear. I meant at one point you say that Jacinta is the daughter of Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas, so, does that mean that Blas Nieto is the son of Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas or are Blas and Jacinta the children of Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas?
Paige
Blas, Jacinta, Maria
Hi Paige,
We can forget the earlier theories I posted, just pay attention to the above Aug 30 summary:
1. Jacinta de Sotomayor (m. Pedro Castaneda) is sister of Blas Nieto; we still don't know who their parents are (nor who is wife is).
2. Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas and Juan Gomez de Ruelas (aka Juan Gomez Nieto) were sons of Blas Nieto. The Gaitan descend from Gonzalo Gomez, and the Gomez de Ruelas y Sotomayor, from Juan Gomez.
3. Maria de San Juan Gaitan was granddaughter of Gonzalo Gomez and great-granddaughter of Blas Nieto; her IM names her as 2nd cousin of Joseph and Juan Martin de Ruelas, who we know are sons of Joseph Martin de Sotomayor, who in turn was son of Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas. This links Maria de las Ruelas and Blas Nieto, as shown in the diagram #3.
Thus, Jacinta de Sotomayor (m. Pedro Castaneda), Blas Nieto, and Maria de las Ruelas (m. Andres Martin) are siblings.
Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas had a daughter, also named Jacinta de Sotomayor aka Jacinta de las Ruelas, who was likely named for her tia, and who was married to Antonio Jimenez de Castaneda. That's where a lot of the confusion comes from, since the 2 Jacinta's married Castaneda's. I don't know if Pedro and Antonio are related; I've never seen Pedro use "Jimenez."
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Blas, Jacinta, Maria
Hi Manny,
Wow, now I get it, this is a great find. Your research is amazing.
Paige
Blas, Jacinta and Maria
Manny,
I agree this is great research. i was kinda confused by the earlier stuff to but now i see the connection. this Nieto is really an important piece of the puzzle to the early families. now we know that one these Ruelas y Sotomayor married a Nieto. also the Ruelas and Sotomayor must be more important people since they passed that on more than nieto. plus dont we kinda know that the nieto ancestor is a guy since Blas uses Nieto and the girls use Ruelas and Sotomayor, and since Blas's kids use Gomez + Ruelas, dont we kinda know that Blas's wife is somebody Gomez?
Danny C. Alonso
Re: Blas, Jacinta and Maria
Danny,
That is super intuitive of you - you’re getting the hang of these shell-game naming practices! I was thinking the same: that “Ruelas” and “Sotomayor” are matrilineal, since they’re used by female descendants, regardless of paternal surname. “Nieto” is likely a paternal surname, and we still don’t know where “Gomez” comes from, since we still don’t know the name of Blas Nieto’s wife (though, she’s likely Beatriz Lopez, with whom baptized a child in Pinos, in 1626).
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Blas Nieto: NOT the brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor?
Hola prim@s,
I believe I have finally found the name of Blas Nieto's wife. This is the marriage record of Santiago Ruiz Collantes and Luisa Gomez de Sotomayor, 27 Dec 1662, Sagrario, SLP. She was daughter of BLAS GOMEZ NIETO and MARGARITA DE LAS ROELAS, vecinos de San Luis, ya difuntos. bottom left:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGLC-3NQ?mode=g&i=111&cc=1…
There is little doubt in my mind that this is Blas Nieto, father of Gonzalo Gomez and Juan Gomez Nieto. This would change what we thought about his relationship to Jacinta de Sotomayor (and Maria de las Ruelas): he wasn't their brother, he was their cuñado! The relationship is obviously through his wife, Margarita de las Ruelas, who would be sister of Jacinta de Sotomayor and Maria de las Ruelas!
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Blas Nieto: NOT the brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor?
Excellent work Manny..I thought the Nieto surname kind of stuck out. This is the second time in the past two years that a nuestrosranchos member has figured out that a brother was actually a brother in law. I am going to go back with a more critical eye in my records to see if I have more brothers that Could be Brother in laws.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Blas Nieto
Manny thank you for sharing your research. Blas Nieto is my 9th grandfather. You have been most generous in providing much of the info of their early years not to mention your monumental find of the Avalos tragedy that ties to this family.
Blas Nieto
Manny,
This is excellent work. thank you very much for sharing all your amazing finds.
Danny C. Alonso
Re: Blas Nieto: NOT the brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor?
Nor does Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas exist! The only reference we have on him is the 15 Jun 1748 IM for Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Munoz, which names him as brother of Juan Gomez Nieto, and father of Maria Blanca de las Ruelas. The tree given looks like this:
TRONCO Blas Gomez Nieto cc Margarita de las Ruelas
Gonzalo Gomez-1-Juan Gomez
Maria Blanca-2-Blas Gomez
Miguel Gaitan-3-Nicolas Gomez
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-5-Maria Manuela Munoz
I've already established that Luisa Gomez de Sotomayor was daughter of Blas Gomez Nieto cc Margarita de las Ruelas. Luisa Gomez had a lot of litigation over her child's inheritance. On 28 Jul 1681, she presented as one of her witnesses, Jusepe Gaytan, husband of Maria Blanca de las Ruelas. At the beginning of his testimony, he identifies himself as "cuñado de Luisa Gomez de Sotomayor." Hence, Maria Blanca is Luisa's sister and NOT her niece, and therefore daughter of Blas Gomez Nieto and Margarita de las Ruelas:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58F-SW82?i=98&cc=2040013
I'm more likely to believe a record written during their lifetimes, rather than one, almost 100 years after!
Revised family tree:
TRONCO Blas Gomez Nieto cc Margarita de las Ruelas
Maria Blanca-1-Juan Gomez
Miguel Gaitan-2-Blas Gomez
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-3-Nicolas Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
- - - - - - - - - - -5-Maria Manuela Munoz
That gives us three children for the family group of Blas Gomez Nieto and Margarita de las Ruelas:
a. Juan Gomez Nieto cc Maria Teresa Martin Guerrero
b. Maria Blanca de las Ruelas cc Jusepe Gaytan
c. Luisa Gomez de Sotomayor cc Santiago Ruiz de Collantes
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Nieto
Manny,
Nicolas de Castaneda's daughter, my ancestor, Maria de Castaneda married Pedro Nieto, do you think those Nieto's are related to Blas Nieto and if they are shouldnt there be a dispensa or something.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7BW-W?i=369
Danny C. Alonso
Nieto Corona
Hi Danny,
That's a very good question, and one that others have asked. Pedro Nieto is of the "Nieto Corona" clan, which starts with his parents, Pedro Nieto "El Viejo" (b. 1593) and Josefa Corona, both who lived in Pinos. Another clan that used "Nieto" was the Nieto Telles (or Tellez). I've been looking for links, but I've found none.
By the way, if you descend from Pedro Nieto El Mozo, he appears as a witness on numerous IMs in Pinos during the 1660s. You get his age & autograph (his father is the testigo to the left):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-26657-0?cc=1804458&wc=…
Thanks!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
PS And as I look back at my post, I notice I listed the dispensas in the wrong order, in my table of contents. That's what happens when you post from your iphone!
Nieto
Manny,
is the Tello and Telles family the same? cause the genealogist Javier Sanchiz connects the Tello family to Pedro Nieto.
http://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en&p=pedro&n=nieto+tello
My first Nieto is Pedro Nieto Corona who's married to Magdalena Michaela López de la Cerda. He's the Grandson of the Pedro Nieto that's married to Nicolas de Castaneda's daughter.
Danny C. Alonso
Tello y Telles
Hi Danny,
That, I wouldn't know. "Telles" (also "Tellez") might be another spelling for "Tello," but it's probably the patronymic. Spanish names that end in "-ez" are usually patronymic, meaning that they denote paternity, i.e., "son of." So, "Sanchez" means "Son of Sancho," "Martinez" means "son of Martin," etc.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Tello
Thanks Manny this is good information. That makes me think they might be connected though cause Martin and Martinez seems to be used by the same people like the Martin de Sotomayors and Martinez de Sotomayors
Danny C. Alonso