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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum

I’m trying to find out information about Nicolas Martin and Juana de
Avalos, who would’ve been born about 1680 in Jalostotlitlan or San Juan de
los Lagos. Their daughter Teresa Martin aka Gomez married Antonio Limon
daughter of Diego Limon and Marta de Ornelas in 1717:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYZ7?i=85&cc=1874591

I’m not sure if Nicolas Martin and Juana de Avalos are the only names they
use since these families seem to use multiple names. Thank you

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Danny C. Alonso

Mr. Ricci,

i agree that Juana de Avalos y Villasenor that's married to Francisco de Calderon is definitely connected to this family, especially since she uses both names. My guess is she's born between 1665 and 1675 probably in Fresnillo, Zacatecas. She married Francisco de Calderon probably about 1690 but the records in that area aren't available. But there's so many Avalos y Villasenor families also that it makes it almost impossible to figure out the right one.

Miguel de Avalos y Villasenor was born about the same time and could be a sibling
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos_y_Villase%C3%B1or-12

This Bernardino de Avalos that married Josefa Perez de Bocanegra in 1664 about the time our Juana de Avalos y Villasenor that married Francisco de Calderon was born and also about the same time as Juana de Avalos married to Nicolas Martin was born, but they have a Juana married to someone else
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Ávalos-31

This Gonzalo de Villaseñor y Zúñiga that married Aldonsa Ávalos é Híjar actually has a Juana de Avalos y Villasenor born about 1655 i think but thats about 10 to 20 years before my estimate, but I guess it's still possible and definitely probably one of the sources for the Avalos y Villasenor name
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Villase%C3%B1or_y_Z%C3%BA%C3%B1iga-1

This Gaspar de Avalos is the right age to be the father of either Juana de Avalos:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-41

Same with his brother Baltazar de Avalos:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-44

Same with his brother Nicolas de Avalos y Villasenor married to Ines de Ortega:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-115

Same with his brother Melchor de Avalos:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-43

This Agustin de Avalos that married Magdalena Ruiz is also the perfect age to be the father of either Juana de Avalos:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-136

this Nicolas Garcia de Avalos is also the perfect age to be the father of either Juana:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Garc%C3%ADa_de_%C3%81valos-1

this Luis de Avalos is also the perfect age to be the father of either Juana:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_%C3%81valos-113

although, I personally like two couples the most. The one you mentioned: Gonzalo de Villasenor and Juana Gomez de Espejo:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Villaseñor_y_Cervantes-3

and Nicolás de Ávalos y Villaseñor married to Inés de Ortega Bocanegra. But really there are dozens of possibilities and most of those possibilities are also probably all closely related.

Dear Danny,

A couple of questions came to mind while reading your comments. The first question that Comes to mind is “How are you determining your age estimates?” What evidence do you have for limiting the person to a certain time period? How big is the time window? This is important information to have and share when looking for more information. The second concern I have is that you are looking for Juana De Avalos father with a De Avalos surname. In this time period, a woman is often named after a mother, or grandmother, so she then wouldn’t have her father’s surname. Most, if not all, of your comments about possible fathers to Juana De Avalos have a De Avalos surname. You need to expand your search to include other members of this family tree where the De Avalos surname comes from a grandparent or mother, and not from the father.

Saludos,
Rick A Ricci

Mr. Ricci,

I estimated the birth of Juana de Avalos y Villasenor that's married to Francisco de Calderon based on the baptism and marriages of her children. the last baptism i can find was for 1703 for their daughter Josefa, so I figure that Juana de Avalos y Villasenor probably wasn't born before 1660. their daughter that i descend from Leogarda de Villasenor aka leogarda de calderon married in the 1709, so i think she was born around the early 1690s, so i placed her mother, Juana de Avalos y Villasenor's birth between the early 1670s to early 1660s. the other Juana de Avalos that's married to Nicolas Martin was probably born a little later maybe even 1680, but i don't have a lot of info on them since there's no record at all of a Nicolas Martin or Juana de Avalos on Family Search. I based that Juana de Avalos's birth on her daughter Theresa Martin aka Theresa Gomez. Theresa Martin/Gomez was married to Antonio Limon, son of Diego Limon and Marta de Ornelas. Antonio Limon's baptism was July 1698, so I guessed his wife Theresa Martin/Gomez was born about the same time, so I guess her mother Juana de Avalos was born between 1680 and 1670.

Probably, but what about possibly?

When doing genealogy it is important to figure out when a birth or marriage probably occurred to shrink the window that you need to research to make it more efficient. It is helpful to figure these things out to facilitate your research as much as you can. But you must remember to keep in mind the window of possibility is larger, and that you should also try to figure that window to keep open more possibilities.

An example of this is my research on the Ruiz De Esparza line. I looked for answers in the small windows of probability, but it was only while also keeping in mind the much larger window of possibilities that I was able to piece together the true line that shows that all the men in the line having children at much older age for five straight generations, leading the family to having much fewer generations than expected for over two hundred years, from the 1500’s to the late 1200’s

Another example is finding wives that are not close to the age of their husband. Usually this means that the wife was much younger, but I have two instances where the wife was much older than her husband.

So always remember to keep track of what is, and isn’t, possible. This will save you from making assumptions based on incorrect or little information.

Good luck,
R. A. Ricci

Mr. Ricci,

thank you for your information. I'm pretty open on a window for Juana de Avalos that's married to Nicolas Martin. I can't find a single record of them at all except their mention on their daughter Theresa Gomez marriage to Antonio Limon in 1717, so she could be born probably as early as 1655 and as late as the 1680s. With Juana de Avalos y Villasenor that's married to Francisco de Calderon, I think her window is much more narrow since I know she had children as late as 1703 and since most women can't have children that old, I'm guessing she wasn't born much earlier than 1660 if at all. This Juana de Avalos y Villasenor also had a daughter that married in 1709 and her age is given as 16, so I have her born in 1693. But, I've seen those ages off by a few years, so she could probably be as old as 20, that would make her mother, Juana de Avalos y Villasenor, too old to have children if she was born before 1655 and too young to have children if she was born after 1677, so she almost certainly was born between 1655 and 1677. and probably born between 1660 and 1675.

Thanks Danny for providing much more information that frames the window of possibilities.

I found a Nicolas Martin and Juana Gomez that fit your window and are in Jalisco.

Name Nicolas Martin
gender Male
Wife Juana Gomes
Son Augustin Martin
Other information in the record of Augustin Martin and Gregoria Patino
from Mexico Marriages
Name Augustin Martin
Spouse's Name Gregoria Patino
Event Date 28 Oct 1728
Event Place San Agustin,Ayo El Chico,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Nicolas Martin
Mother's Name Juana Gomes
Spouse's Father's Name Francisco Garcia
Spouse's Mother's Name Rosa Riso
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCD5-C2M : 10 February 2018), Nicolas Martin in entry for Augustin Martin and Gregoria Patino, 28 Oct 1728; citing San Agustin,Ayo El Chico,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 280,786

Hope this information helps you,
Rick A. Ricci

Presiento que esta Juana Avalos casada con Nicolas Martin ,es Juana Gomez Hija de desconocido Gomez y de Agustina Avalos , esta hermana Bernardino, luisa e Isabel de Avalos que estan registrados en el padron parroquial de San Juan de los Lagos de 1679 en estacia de Beatriz Gomez (Sanchez de Lara) ahi aparece tambien Mencionado a Nicolas Martin en esta enstancia

Presiento que esta Juana Avalos casada con Nicolas Martin ,es Juana Gomez Hija de desconocido Gomez y de Agustina Avalos , esta hermana Bernardino, luisa e Isabel de Avalos que estan registrados en el padron parroquial de San Juan de los Lagos de 1679 en estacia de Beatriz Gomez (Sanchez de Lara) ahi aparece tambien Mencionado a Nicolas Martin en esta enstancia

oh Wow, that's definitely the same Juana Gomez aka Juana de Avalos. Thank you so much. this is great. Now I need to determine who the Juana de Avalos y Villasenor married to Francisco de Calderon is.

There are other De Avalos and Gomez connections

Here is a second one:

1) Sebastian de Avalos and Mariana de Castro
2) Augustin de Avalos and Magdalena Ruiz
3) Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor and Mathias Gomez
4) Maria Gomez and Ruiz cc Nicolas de Castaneda

Here is a third one, They say the third one is the charm!

1) Alfonso Perez and Isabel Gomez
2) Gaspar Fernández de Palos (born in Portugal) and María Retamosa (daughter of Juan Rodriguez Echeverría and Beatriz Retamosa y Macias Valadez)
3) María de Retamosa (Gomez) and Francisco De Avalos
4) Agustina de Avalos and Pablo Ramirez (Gomez?)
5) Juana De Avalos (Gomez)
Is this Juana De Avalos (aka Gomez) the same one that is married to Nicolas Martin? The years and the location fit, and so does the mother’s name if PPChuy is right that her mother is named Agustina De Avalos.

R.A.Ricci

Mr. Ricci

Its definitely the same Juana de Avalos. They're in the same exact timeframe and location and they have a Nicolas Martin, plus I looked at the dispensas and they repeatedly married with other Gomez, Limon and Martins. Here is one dispensa:

Jalostotitlán. Jal. Abril 5 de 1747. Exp. 52.- Dispensa de cuarto grado puro de
consanguinidad.- Juan Manuel Martín, español de 25 años de edad, originario y
vecino de esta feligresía, hijo legítimo de Theodoro Martín y de María Ana
Gómez: con Luciana de Avalos, española de 27 años de edad, originaría y vecina
de esta feligresía en el puesto nombrado la Sienega, hija legítima de Miguel de
Avalos, difunto y de Catharina Cordero. Declaración de Joseph Seferíno de Escoto
y Tovar, español de 25 años de edad, pariente de los pretensos en cuarto con
quinto grado: Agustina de Avalos, bisabuela del pretenso, y Bernardino de
Avalos, bisabuelo de la pretensa fueron hermanos que es primer grado, que Juana
Gómez, abuela del pretenso y María de Avalos, abuela de la pretensa, fueron
primas hermanas que es segundo grado, que María Ana Gómez, madre del pretenso y
Catharina Cordero, madre de la pretensa, son primas segundas que es tercero
grado. Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 8 de abril de 1747.

So this is definitely the same Juana Gomez/Avalos.

Mr. Ricci are you saying this Juana de Avalos is the daughter of Agustina de AValos and Pablo Ramirez and Agustina de Avalos is the daughter of MAria de Retamosa and Francisca de Avalos?

On this passage from Rodolfo Hernandez Chavez that Salvador posted what are they saying about how Juana Gomez and Agustina de Avalos are related to the other Avalos?

registrada en los padrones de 1670 como “Rancho de Beatriz Gómez”, y en los de 1672, 1673 y 1679 como “Estancia de Beatriz Gómez”, donde vivía en compañía de sus hijos y nietos-, a: Ysabel de Avalos/Ysabel Sanchez Carranza, mujer de José Leonel de Cervantes y Orozco, indiscutiblemente su consanguíneo por ser hijo de Leonel de Cervantes y de Doña Leonor de Orozco; Agustina de Avalos, madre de Juana Gómez; Luisa de Avalos, esposa de José Soto, registrados con rancho propio en 1679; y Bernardino de Avalos, esposo de su consanguínea Doña Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra y Sánchez de Avalos. Todos ellos referidos en las informaciones matrimoniales como “hermanos carnales”, cuyos descendientes según los propios registros sacramentales hicieron uso del apellido compuesto “Avalos-Villaseñor...”

Dear Danny,

I agree with you and ppchuy that We have found that Juana De Avalos aka Gómez is the daughter of Agustina De Avalos. The search now focuses on Agustina De Avalos and her husband.,

I found an Agustina De Avalos that was married to Pablo Ramirez. There is a Gomez connection between a Ramirez family in this area where two brothers used the surname Ramirez while a third used the surname Gomez. I descend from this family through both the Ramirez brothers and the Gomez brother. Sor Juana Inés De la Cruz descends from one of these Ramirez brothers. I believe that Pablo could descend from this family. If this is the ame Agustina then we have her parents names, Francisco De Avalos and Maria Retamosa.

Since Luisa De Avalos is married to José de Soto., I wonder if Nicolas Martin is actually Nicolas Martin De Sotomayor and you have two sisters marrying two brothers. This is just speculation on my part.

Here are some more records to research:

Pablo Ramires
Spouse's Name Agustina De Abalos
Event Date 03 Mar 1680
Event Place Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
Spouse's Father's Name Francisco De Abalos
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria De Retamossa
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXF-WHR : 10 February 2018), Pablo Ramires and Agustina De Abalos, 03 Mar 1680; citing Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,512

Agustina De Abalos
gender Female
Husband Pablo Ramires
Son Jhoseph Ramires Abalos
Other information in the record of Jhoseph Ramires Abalos
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Jhoseph Ramires Abalos
Gender Male
Christening Date 08 Apr 1681
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Pablo Ramires
Mother's Name Agustina De Abalos
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ5D-CCQ : 10 February 2018), Agustina De Abalos in entry for Jhoseph Ramires Abalos, 08 Apr 1681; citing SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,504.

There are other De Avalos and Gomez connections,

Good luck,
R.A. Ricci

Dear Danny,

Have you found any information regatding Agustina de Avalos that would help find her parents and ancestors? I wonder if she is related to Beatriz Gomez (Sanchez de Lara). What else do you know about Beatriz Gomez (Sanchez de Lara)?

I have no evidence to show if she is the same Agustina De Avalos that is married to Pablo Ramirez..

I do not descend from Nicolas Martin and Juana de Avalos (aka Gomez), but as often happens when helping others with their research, I found some information on my own ancestors. I found information on my Marin de la peñalosa ancestors connecting them to my Villaseñor Cueva ancestors. I discoverered that they have a common ancestor in Spain.

Thanks,
R.A.Ricci

Mr. Ricci,

She's definitely connected to Beatriz Gomez (Sanchez de Lara) according to the genealogist Rodolfo HErnandez Chavez that wrote the recuerdos de Encarnacion. So, im sure he's right. From the looks of the Agustina de Avalos that's married to Pablo Ramirez, if they're espanoles, i'd say its probly definitely them. but i cant find the record. But since it says their parents are Francisco de Avalos and Maria de Retamosa, I'm guessing they're espanoles. If those are the parents of my Agustina de Avalos, id be one step closer. But, i don't know who the parents of Francisco de Avalos is. Here is what the Rodolfo HErnandez Chavez says about them in a post from Salvador a while back:

Publicación de Rodolfo H Hernández Chavez:
"...También originario de Úbeda, en los Reinos de Castilla, fue Don Gonzalo de Avalos, encomendero de Zacapu en Michoacán, hijo de Pedro de Avalos y de María de Muñoz, hijodalgo notorios; a quien el Gran Maestro Don Mariano González Leal señala como posible tronco de la familia “Avalos-Ludeña”, “Avalos-Villaseñor” ó “Avalos-Tovar”, y de quien al respecto escribió en su magna obra de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia: “Gonzalo de Avalos fue genearca de una vieja familia radicada sucesivamente en Michoacán, Maravatio y Queretaro, enlazadas sucesivamente con los Villaseñor-Cervantes a quienes correspondía el apellido de Tovar”. siendo de llamar profundamente la atención, que la rama alteña procede de Alonso de Avalos y Doña Catarina de Orozco, registrados en las primeras décadas del siglo XVII en los libros sacramentales de Santa María de los Lagos y avecindados por lo menos hasta 1649 en la jurisdicción de Jalostotitlán donde a 5 leguas se ubica la “Estancia de Alonso de Avalos”, lugar en el que vivía en compañía de su mujer Doña Catalina de Orozco, y algunos de sus hijos que permanecían aún sin casar; debiendo ser, tal vez sus hijos mayores: Gabriel de Avalos, casado el 26 de Noviembre de 1613 en Lagos con Doña María de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza –hija de Don Alonso de Quesada y de Doña Juana Baptista Hernández de Arellano y Hurtado de Mendoza-; Baltasar de Avalos-Tovar, Casado el 8 de Mayo de 1618 con Doña Juana Ruiz de Aldana quienes darán origen a la “Estancia de Baltasar de Avalos”, registrada así en el padrón laguense de 1669 y conocida posteriormente como “Lo de Avalos”; Gaspar de Avalos-Ludeña casado por 1620 con Doña Luisa de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza, hermana de Doña María de Quesada ó María de Mendoza; Doña Juana de Avalos, madre de Juan de Orozco que casó con María de Quesada y Alvarado, hija de Francisco de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza –hermano de Doña María y de Doña Luisa de Quesada-, y de su esposa Catalina de los Ángeles Alvarado; Doña Ysabel Avalos-Ludeña / “Ysabelde Orozco”, esposa de Don Sebastián Pérez de Ortega; y a caso Doña María de Ludeña, casada en Patzcuaro y, velada el 26 de Noviembre de 1615 en Lagos con Rodrigo de Órnelas y Mendoza… ¿Tal vez?, debamos de incluir como hijo de Alonso de Avalos y de Catalina de Orozco, a Francisco de Avalos, esposo de María de Espitia, quien según investigaciones de Don Jaime Holcombe procreó en Beatriz Sánchez de Lara –también conocida como Beatriz Sánchez de Carranza, Beatriz Sánchez de Mendoza ó Beatriz Gómez propietaria de una casa en la Villa de los Lagos, descrita en el padrón de 669 como “Casa de María Gómez Viuda”, donde vivía Antonia de Avalos doncella, en compañía de Bernarda Ortiz doncella, y de la “Estancia de San Nicolás de la Ciénega” en la jurisdicción de San Juan/Jalostotitlán, registrada en los padrones de 1670 como “Rancho de Beatriz Gómez”, y en los de 1672, 1673 y 1679 como “Estancia de Beatriz Gómez”, donde vivía en compañía de sus hijos y nietos-, a: Ysabel de Avalos/Ysabel Sanchez Carranza, mujer de José Leonel de Cervantes y Orozco, indiscutiblemente su consanguíneo por ser hijo de Leonel de Cervantes y de Doña Leonor de Orozco; Agustina de Avalos, madre de Juana Gómez; Luisa de Avalos, esposa de José Soto, registrados con rancho propio en 1679; y Bernardino de Avalos, esposo de su consanguínea Doña Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra y Sánchez de Avalos. Todos ellos referidos en las informaciones matrimoniales como “hermanos carnales”, cuyos descendientes según los propios registros sacramentales hicieron uso del apellido compuesto “Avalos-Villaseñor...”

Thanks Danny for the information. It will help me with my research. I saw a record of a child with parents Francisco De Avalos and Maria Espitia. I was wondering if this is the same Francisco De Avalos that is married to Maria Retamosa. I have not found any records of Maria Retamosa’s ancestors with the Espitia surname so I don’t think that Maria Espitia and Maria Retamosa are the same person.

Thanks again,
R.A. Ricci

Agustina de Ávalos that’s mother to Juana Gómez is already known to be the daughter of María Sánchez and unknown Ávalos based on the dispensas. That María Sánchez is also known to be the sister of a Mateo Sánchez, both of those Sánchez would’ve probably been born between 1600 and 1625. Agustina de Ávalos is also, based on the dispensas, the sister of Isabel de Ávalos, Luisa de Ávalos, and Bernardino de Ávalos that’s married to Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra. All of these Ávalos siblings I think were born between 1635 and 1655. María Sánchez is probly the daughter of Beatriz Gómez aka Beatriz Sánchez de Lara

There is a big thread to pull here. Bernardino de Ávalos that’s married to Josefa Pérez de Bocanegro are closely related. If we could find the dispensation that explains how they are related then we would know much more about Bernardino and Agustina De avalos ancestry.

Beatriz Gomez Sanchez De Lara (aka Sanchez De Carranza) has a nephew with the surname Sanchez De Mendoza. The surnames that Beatriz, her descendants and her nephew used leads me to believe that Beatriz descended from a daughter of toribio Hernandez Arellano and Isabel Mendoza. I suspect that her husbands side of the family gives the family the Villaseñor Tovar surname.

Thanks for the info,

Rick A. Ricci

Agustina de Avalos and Bernardino de Avalos are brother and sister which is proved by this dispensa for their great grandchildren Juan Manuel Martin's marriage to Luciana de Avalos:

Jalostotitlán. Jal. Abril 5 de 1747. Exp. 52.- Dispensa de cuarto grado puro de
consanguinidad.- Juan Manuel Martín, español de 25 años de edad, originario y
vecino de esta feligresía, hijo legítimo de Theodoro Martín y de María Ana
Gómez: con Luciana de Avalos, española de 27 años de edad, originaría y vecina
de esta feligresía en el puesto nombrado la Sienega, hija legítima de Miguel de
Avalos, difunto y de Catharina Cordero. Declaración de Joseph Seferíno de Escoto
y Tovar, español de 25 años de edad, pariente de los pretensos en cuarto con
quinto grado: Agustina de Avalos, bisabuela del pretenso, y Bernardino de
Avalos, bisabuelo de la pretensa fueron hermanos que es primer grado, que Juana
Gómez, abuela del pretenso y María de Avalos, abuela de la pretensa, fueron
primas hermanas que es segundo grado, que María Ana Gómez, madre del pretenso y
Catharina Cordero, madre de la pretensa, son primas segundas que es tercero
grado. Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 8 de abril de 1747.

The relationship between Juan Manuel Martin and Luciana de Avalos to their grandparents Bernardino de Avalos and Agustina de Avalos is this: Luciana de Avalos is the daughter of Miguel de Avalos and Catalina de Cordero. Catalina de Cordero is the daughter of Fernando Cordero and Maria de Bocanegra and Maria de Bocanegra is the daughter of Bernardino de Avalos and Josefa Perez de Bocanegra.

Juan Manuel Martin is the son of Teodoro Martin and Mariana Gomez. Mariana Gomez is the daughter of Juana Gomez who is the daughter of Agustina de Avalos.

Hi Danny

I have so many branches that dead end at different Juana de Ávalos, including a Juana de Ávalos y Villaseñor that’s married to Francisco de Calderón sometime towards the end of the 1600’s in Fresnillo, Zacatecas. I’m inclined to agree with Rick’s theory. I don’t think Nicolás Martín is an indio with two names. Nicolás Martín was a common name both among the Martín de Sotomayor and among the Martín del Campo.

Chris

Chris

Juana de Avalos Villasenor and FRancisco de Calderon are my ancestors to through Jose Diaz de Sotomayor and Leogarda de calderon. I acttually kind of thought that Juana de Avalos Villasenor might be related to family Mr Ricci mentioned since she use both Avalos and Villasenor.

Hola Danny:

Me he dado cuenta de que algunas familias se establecieron en Colima y de allí pasaron a otras zonas de Jalisco, Zacatecas y Michoacán.

En el libro Andariegos y pobladores en Nueva España y Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVI que está en línea se mencionan varias familias con el apellido Ávalos, tal vez te interese conocerlas porque tienen diferentes ubicaciones.

Saludos

Marcelina

There are too many Juana De Avalos at about the same time, and in the same region, for it to be a coincidence. I believe that both Juana De Avalos that Chris and Danny mentioned are part of the same greater family tree that I mentioned. I believe that they have an ancestor named Juana De Avalos and that they are named after her. It is also very likely that at least one of their fathers surname is not De Avalos as they are taking the surname from a mother or grandmother. All of this, of course, is speculation on my part. It’s going to take more research and sharing to put the pieces of the De Avalos family together.

Besides sharing the same first name and surname, many of them had different middle names to distinguish them.

Thank you Danny, Marcelina, O.J., and Chris,

Rick A. Ricci

Another possibility is that Juana descends from this family and that is why we find De Avalos (Davalos) and Gomez in the family surnames. Just throwing out a family line from that area that has both De Avalos and Gomez.

9). Gonzalo de Avalos Tovar de Villaseñor and Antonia Hurtado de Mendoza

10) Gonzalo de Villaseñor Cervantes (b. Abt 1621) (m. 26/Sept/1650) and Juana Gomez de Espejo

11). Gonzalo Villaseñor Y Gomez (b. Abt 1660) ( buried 6/Aug/1733) and Teresa de Alva Bocanegra (m. March 1683, Aguascalientes)

12) Cristóbal Villaseñor y Alva ( bap. 7/Sept/1688 Aguascalientes) and Gertrudis Franco de Paredes.

Good luck,
R.A.Ricci

Just a guess from my observations of some patterns I've noticed that may or not apply to your case.

1. All other couples state either Indios or espanoles, except for that marriage.
-- my guess, Antonio Limon is espanol and Teresa Martin is India or mestiza. This is based on that I've seen most people with Limon in that time are Espanol and most Indios have two first names (Nicolas Martin) without a traditional Spanish surname.

2. I have noticed during this period Indios, mestizos, mulatos, and esclabos don't always have a traditional last name or pass it on to their children.

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