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Can you give us the links for the marriages and the dispensa you mentioned?
I think it is appropiate for those of us that are willing to try to help
that don't have a relationship to these individuals and/or aren't studying
the Nochistlán records. It also gives us a little more time to study the
records.

Armando

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM, wrote:

> I would like to know what all of you think. I found a possible son for
> Diego and Petrona. I have: George Delgadillo,
> George Delgadillo & Clara Alvares
> Married 1 June 1698 in Nochistlan Image #90.
> Does not state Parents, but it has Padrinos as Andres Marin de Penalosa
> and Ma. de la Concepcion Delgadillo. And they married 28 July 1692 in
> Nochistlan Image #26. It states she is Diego's daughter. I found a
> Dispensa for Jose Maria Ximenes and Bacilia Sandoval, 1798 posted Feb 7
> film #168101 Image #208 that states George Delgadillo and Christoval
> Delgadillo are brothers, Christoval is the son Ygnacio Delgadillo and
> Josefa Manuela Ballin. I do not have definate prof, but what do you think?
> I hope I have not confused any of you.
> Many Thanks
> Lisa
>
>
>
>

Lisa, I'm confused,
Of you are referring to the 1798 dispensa extraction I posted on Feb 7, then Christobal is the FATHER of Ignacio, not the son; according to the tree on img 208.

I would say that dispensa from 1798 is what you should go by (for now until you have better proof). The fact that George's marriage madrina was daughter of Diego Delgadillo is not enough to assume that she was sister to his father. There could have been more than one Christobal Delgadillo at that time, and any one of them could have been George's brother.

Just my take--at first glance, although I didn't read the entire dispensa. :)

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Hola! Lo maravilloso de la genealogía es que solos no podemos, la unión de las personas es lo que hace interesantes los descubrimientos.
Gracias por compartir tu trabajo, seguramente mucha gente resultará beneficiada.
Todo lo mejor,
Verónica

Hello! The great thing about genealogy is that we can not, the union of the people is what makes them interesting discoveries.
Thank you for sharing your work, surely many people will be benefited.
All the best,

En la villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos en dicho día mes i año baptizé y
puse los olios y chrisma a Basilio espl hijo lexitimo de Luis
Lopes Valdes y de Ana Lopez vesinos del rio de Santa Maria fueron padrinos
?
Francisco Aldana españoles y vesinos de esta jurisdiccion a quienes
advertí el parentesco y cognación espiritual y lo firmé
Br Miguel
Gonsales

Here the Información Matrimonial of Luis López Valdés and Ana López de Lara
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-29622-56?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos
Armando

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:50 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am having a very difficult time making anything out on this baptismal
> record for Basilio Lopes Baldes, I would appreciate some help if anyone has
> the time. It is last entry on the bottom left.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-12922-52?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506714
>
> Thank you
> Monica Ochoa
>
>
>
> Hola,
>
> Estoy teniendo dificultades entediendo este registro de bautiso de Basilio
> Baldes Lopes, agradecería un poco de ayuda si alguien tiene el tiempo. Es
> la última entrada en la parte inferior izquierda.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-12922-52?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506714
>
> Gracias
> Mónica Ochoa

Basilio Esl.
En la Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos en dicho dia mes y año bapte y puse los santos oleos y chrisma a Bacilio espl hijo lexmo de Luis Lopez Valdez y de Ana Lopez ? ? de Sta Maria fueron P.P. Franco. Aldana españoles y vesinos de esta juridiccion aqn. adverti el parentesco y cogn. espiritual y para que conste lo firme=
Bn Miguel Gonzalez de la Barrera

States that in the Village of Santa Maria de los Lagos in such day month and year baptized Bacilio, Spanish legitimate son of Luis Lopez Valdez and Ana Lopez ??from Santa Maria, the Godparents were Franco. Aldana Spanish and neighbors of this jurisdiction to whom I advised of the spiritual parentage and for the record I signed it==
Bn Miguel Gonzalez de la Barrera

They are my ancestors. Their marriage can be found here
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-40853-13?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Rancheros,
>
> I was looking for marriage records for Antonio de Abalos y Juana de Ayala
> y Gusman (Juana Gusmana) in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco for 1694 but cannot
> find any images. I know they exist because the Family Search archive has
> the record indexed under film #221512.
>
> What am I doing wrong why can't I see/find the images in the on-line
> database?
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
> Monica Ochoa
>
>
> Hola Nuestros rancheros,
>
> Yo estaba buscando registros de matrimonio de Antonio de Abalos y Juana de
> Ayala y Guzmán (Juana Gusmana) en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco del ano 1694,
> pero no puede encontrar ninguna imagen. Sé que existen porque el archivo de
> Family Search tiene el récord indexada en la película # 221512.
>
> ¿Qué estoy haciendo mal ¿por qué no puedo ver / encontrar las imágenes en
> la base de datos on-line?
>
> Gracias por su ayuda por adelantado.
>
> Mónica Ochoa

Do you have a film number, not that i can read it, would just like to give it a look, sounds interesting.

Thanks,
Alicia

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From: "sgapodaca@yahoo.com"
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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Church Records in other languages!

I just wanted to write about something that caught my attention in the last few weeks. I used to think that Spanish was all that I needed to read Mexican church records. To my surprise, I was browsing some online films from Guachinango, Jalisco, and discovered that at a certain time, in the 1800's, whole parish books were written in Latin! Even the names of the people involved were latinized by the priest who recorded them. This caught me by surprise because I had never encountered this.

I thought, well, Latin sounds somewhat like Spanish, and I guess it won't be impossible to decipher if I ever need to look for an ancestor in one of those parish books. Well, just today, I was doing some indexing for familysearch, and I opened a batch from Mexico City to work on. To my surprise, it was all written in what appears to be a Native language, I assume Nahuatl! I tried to index it, but it was just impossible! I had to return the batch and work on another one. Has anybody encountered similar church records in Nahuatl, Latin or other languages? What do you do in these types of situations if you have a strong feeling your ancestor is in that particular book? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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I have yet to see Mexican church records in Latin, but it is quite common in Austria and Czechoslovakia. With just a little Latin vocabulary, those are pretty easy to read.

George Fulton

Nochistlan, Zacatecas, 27 Jan 1885
Emeterio Delgadillo, 23 y.o, legitimate son of Gabriel Delgadillo, 48 y.o, and Leandra Yniguez, 40 y.o.
Juana Prieto, 20 y.o., legitimate daughter of Marcelino Prieto, 60 y.o. and Maria del Refugio Cruz, 50 y.o.
Witnesses: Francisco Aguayo, Jose Maria Perez

Gloria Casillas
Hola,busque el acta de matrimonio para ayudarte, pero ahi solo dice hijo de padres no conocidos, de todos modos no se si cuentas con el acta, te dejo el link https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-22952-8?cc=1874591&wc=…, es la ultima de la pagina

Vero:

Admiro tu dedicación por la búsqueda de tus ancestros. Me encantaría poder ayudarte pero lamentablemente no tengo la información o no tengo parentesco con los Elizalde pero por si de casualidad llegara a encontrarme con algo que pudiera serte útil te lo comunicaría con mucho gusto.

Muchas gracias por los padrones y las dispensas de Michoacán, a alguien alegrarás con tu trabajo.
Te deseo mucha suerte, sigue así, seguro los encontrarás.

Enrique Agraz

THIS is why I save my notes and share them. I'm glad it has helped someone!

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Judy,

I have started transcribing it, but it will take me some time. Maybe have it read and transcribed by tomorrow evening, if not, until Friday.

Alicia

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From: "judyjauregui@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need assistance with translation for Castilla y Riojas & Cortinas Marriage Dispensa 1734

This is amazing, over the weekend I had a major break finding a connection to my Great Grandmother Socorro Riojas family. And then today discovered wonderful information while searching further, Claudia Reynoso thanks to your hard work of entering the Marriage Dispensas I was able to locate information on my;
6th Great-Grandfather Juan Ygnacio de Castilla y Riojas B: 1707 Aracena, Spain; married to Antonia Cortinas of Monclova Cahuilla, Mexico. I am not very fluent in Spanish and I am requesting help in the translation of their marriage information.
1727-1734 FHL Source Film 168054 #576.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-16458-22?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Judy Rodriguez de Jauregui

I do not think there was a requirement to baptize within a certain number of days, but rather an expectation or custom. A consideration was that many babies did not survive, so if born alive, it was rather important for them to be baptized soon. Typically, baptism was within a few days of the birth. In some places and some periods, 2-3 weeks was customary; but the shorter time period was much more common. However, I have seen baptisms a month or more after the birth, as well as on the day the baby was born.

In today's Church, a person typically needs permission of the priest of the parish they reside in for sacraments to be performed in another parish. Formerly, the costs associated with the sacraments were part of the priest's income. Historically, this was part of the reasons for Benito's Juarez's reforms in the late 1850s.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Is there a place where familysearch has done the same thing with the Guadalajara dispensas for the area of Michoacan?

This is amazing, over the weekend I had a major break finding a connection to my Great Grandmother Socorro Riojas family. And then today discovered wonderful information while searching further, thanks to your hard work of entering the Marriage Dispensas I was able to locate information on my 6th Great-Grandfather Juan Ygnacio de Castilla y Riojas B: 1707 Aracena, Spain; married to Antonia Cortinas of Monclova Cahuilla, Mexico. I am not very fluent in Spanish and I am requesting help in the translation of their marriage information.
1727-1734 FHL Source Film 168054 #576.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-16458-22?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Judy Rodriguez de Jauregui

La diocesis de San Luis Potosi fue erigida en 1854, asi que las dispensas estarian entre los documentos de la diocesis en San Luis Potosi para el año 1866. Desafortunadamente, los registros de la Iglesia Catolica del estado de San Luis Potosi aun no han sido digitalizados ni puesto al acceso publico en linea.

Me imagino que podria ordenar los microfilmes como en tiempos antiguos... las dispensas suelen aparecer entre las informaciones matrimoniales de la parroquia donde se pidio la dispensa.

Ademas, debe haber registros de la dispensa al nivel de la diocesis, es decir en la ciudad de San Luis Potosi.