abbreviations

The letter B used in that context "yo el B D Fulano de Tal" means Bachiller.  A Bachiller was someone who had received their Bachelor of Arts degree (Baccalaureate), thus a Bachelor (compare: Bachiller/Bachelor).  This title of Bachiller, as well as that of Doctor (roughly corresponding to a Ph.D.) could be obtained by anyone, lay and clergy, as long as they attended a Seminary University, and had the money to do so.  It certified them as being highly knowledgeable about canon law and Catholic religious procedure.

 

Regards,

Steven H.

Cruz Alta y Cruz Baja

In the libro de defuciones (Deaths) what does the the phrase " por 
cruz alta" or " Cruz Bajo" mean ?  Also I hav seen reference to money 
or "Alms" paid?   for example "en fabrica de dos Reales".....
 any help abbreciated..


Vecinos y La Cruz

I have also always seen Vecinos de ******  as being neighbors and 
then usually the Rancho is named. 






--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> As far as I know vecino means "resident," as of a particular town.  
My Nuevo 
> Espasa Ilustrado Dictionary defines vecino as "adj, s. 1. Que 
habita con otros 
> en un mismo pueblo, barrio o casa. 2. Cercano."  So there.  This so 
called 
> "expert" was probaby confusing the fact that after an Indian was 
converted, 
> he/she could no longer live out in the wild among other Indians.  
He/she had to 
> live at the mission, thus becoming a "vecino," a resident, of said 
mission, just 
> like all the other residents or inhabitants of the mission like the 
> Spaniards, mestizos, and slaves.
> 
> The little cross (+) used on the margins of archives or after 
someone's name 
> simply means that the person has passed away.  It is common usage 
in Spanish 
> writing to refer to Fulano de Tal (+), with the little cross after 
his

abbreviations

I would like some help with an abbreviation I've found and havent 
been able to read... the Bautismo entry reads as follows:

En la yglesia Parrpquia de SS Jose de Guehucar en Onze de Marzo de 
Noventa y Ocho Yo el B* D* Jose del Valle Cpp. ........ 

The abbreviation that  is pestering me is the B*. 
D* is surely "Don"  but the B* may be an abbreviation for a religious 
title or something else...??


Aguascalientes

Gloria thanks so much for the info on Aguascalientes. It is coming just
in time as I recently found out that one of my GGGG grandparents, Pedro
Torres [see attachment] was originally from "la villa de Aguascalientes."


oh and the second link has a slight misspelling so here is the corrected
link:


http://www.muniags.gob.mx/historico/haciendacieneguilla.asp

I just put the links in the links section of the group. Thanks

joseph

JPEG image

webpage for Aguascalientes

For members interested in Aguascalientes, you might check out their
excellent webpage: http://www.muniags.gob.mx Click on the various
icons across the top to check out different sites.


Or, you can check out the various haciendas or ex-haciendas directly;
a brief historical description is given of each at:
http://www.muniags.gob.mx/hisorico/haciendacieneguilla.asp This also
links to the other ex-haciendas.


Gloria

Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839

I still have not found my grandma Maximina Lopez daughter of Jesus Lopez who should be in those records.  I've looked in Sombrerete and Fresnillo, she would have been born about 1897 and the films are indexed and still can't find her.  I have found other siblings in that time frame.  They crossed over in 1907 so I wouldn't need any records after that time-frame probably 1885-1907, I've researched.  I have found her dad's records etc., and have gone back at least four generations on my Lopez line but I will get back to looking for Maxmina's record again soon.  Also I've done research on my great-grandma Librada Gonzalez (Maxmina's mother) and have gone back a few generations on her lines as well.   Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

who did you find in Fresnillo and Sombrerete and during what time period?

thanks,

joseph

Carol Turner wrote:

Interesting...I found some of my family in Fresnillo films as well as Sombrerete, if you need me to do any look-ups for you let me know.   Contact

Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839

who did you find in Fresnillo and Sombrerete and during what time
period?



thanks,



joseph



Carol Turner wrote:

Interesting...I found some of my family in Fresnillo films as
well as Sombrerete, if you need me to do any look-ups for you let me
know.   Contact John Schmal he is the historian for Somos Primos and he
and I had done some research together and he knows the scoop on the
records that are missing.  For some reason I remember him telling me
these records can be found in Las Cruces, New Mexico.  John runs the
Family history center and also teaches classes at the local Santa
Monica, CA branch.  Let me know if you need his email address.  I think
you told me you have it.    - Carol



makas@... wrote:



Anyone have a clue what happened to the records from 1679 to 1839 from

Zacatecas, Zacatecas?



I just today found out that my Puente[s] line was only temporarily in

Sombrerete and origianlly was from Zacacetas, Zacatecas. Woe is me if

those records are not to be

Zac/Zac: Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839

It was Zacatecas, Zacatecas records that were missing. Here is John
Schmal's email to me on the subject:



"HI
Joseph:  Friends of mine travelled to Zacatecas a couple years ago. 
Those missing records were somehow destroyed. General Santa Anna sacked
the city of Zacatecas around 1835, which may have destroyed some of the
records, but there was also a fire, so they are apparently lost
forever, most unfortunately.



Sorry, I couldn't give you good news.  The Matrimonio Informacion
records are available, so they must have been stored somewhere else.
But regular marriage and baptisms aren't in  existence any longer.



John Schmal"




gmccrary@... wrote:

I would, also, be interested in the missing Sombrerete records.  My 
great grandmother was born there and I believe her parents were, 
also, born there.  Her name was Ynes Salas [b: about 1845].  Her 
parents were Jose Maria Salas and Urbana Ruelas.  I can't go any 
further back at this point.

Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839

I would, also, be interested in the missing Sombrerete records.  My 
great grandmother was born there and I believe her parents were, 
also, born there.  Her name was Ynes Salas [b: about 1845].  Her 
parents were Jose Maria Salas and Urbana Ruelas.  I can't go any 
further back at this point.

Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839

Interesting...I found some of my family in Fresnillo films as well as Sombrerete, if you need me to do any look-ups for you let me know.   Contact John Schmal he is the historian for Somos Primos and he and I had done some research together and he knows the scoop on the records that are missing.  For some reason I remember him telling me these records can be found in Las Cruces, New Mexico.  John runs the Family history center and also teaches classes at the local Santa Monica, CA branch.  Let me know if you need his email address.  I think you told me you have it.    - Carol

makas@... wrote:


Anyone have a clue what happened to the records from 1679 to 1839 from
Zacatecas, Zacatecas?

I just today found out that my Puente[s] line was only temporarily in
Sombrerete and origianlly was from Zacacetas, Zacatecas. Woe is me if
those records are not to be found anywhere.

=================================

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1605-1959

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Sagrario (Zacatecas, Zacatecas

Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839


Anyone have a clue what happened to the records from 1679 to 1839 from
Zacatecas, Zacatecas?


I just today found out that my Puente[s] line was only temporarily in
Sombrerete and origianlly was from Zacacetas, Zacatecas. Woe is me if
those records are not to be found anywhere.


=================================

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1605-1959

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Sagrario (Zacatecas, Zacatecas) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.
La parroquia Sagrario antes se denominaba Santo Domingo.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and deaths from
Sagrario Parish (formerly known as Santo Domingo), Zacatecas, Zacatecas,
Mexico.
Includes a book of marriages performed in 1824-1829 in the dependent
parish church of San Nicolás de Bernárdez.


Subjects
Mexico, Zacatecas, Zacatecas - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah

Map or Explanation

Hi Joseph, just FYI, I would try ebay.  I was thinking about buying my dad some old antique maps but I'm just not sure which one yet.  If you get on ebay do a search under maps, old and or antique maps.  There have been many reproductions of these older maps and some of them are under $12.00.  Also they have old maps of Spain too.   Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I'm in search of a map that would have the different colonial areas of
Mexico listed. I've know of Nueva Galicia,  Nueva Vizcaya, Nueva Espana,
Filipinas or Nueva Filipinas, and I think there were others. Does anyone
know of a map that has these areas geographically plotted?

thanks,

joseph





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Map or Explanation


I'm in search of a map that would have the different colonial areas of
Mexico listed. I've know of Nueva Galicia, Nueva Vizcaya, Nueva Espana,
Filipinas or Nueva Filipinas, and I think there were others. Does anyone
know of a map that has these areas geographically plotted?


thanks,

joseph




Updated Tepetongo Batch Numbers: FYI



i just added the Matrimonio batches to Tepetongo. Now if anyone wants to
send me a few of their favorite towns we could have a sleuth of Batch
numbers online by the end of the year. Why not consider sending me just
one Town in Jalisco, Zacatecas, or Aguascalientes. Take at the following
and preferably send them to me in this format. thanks,


joseph

=================

Tepetongo, Zacatecas 1750-1875: Bautismos

Year Range    Batch    Film

1750-1797     C600831  0445156
1797-1817     C600832  0445157
1818-1831     C600833  0445158
1831-1842     C600834  0445159
1842-1850     J600835  0445160
1850-1858     C600836  0445161
1859-1869     C600837  0445162

1869-1875 C600838 0445163

Matrimonios

Batch    	Year Range      Film

M606211   	1816 - 1849   	0445236
M606212   	1849 - 1869   	0445237
M606213   	1870 - 1885   	0445238





Mexican Documents



Yolanda,



remind me what we were talking about again. Are you planning on
sometime going to the Family History Center close to you was that it?
If so give me your town or cities name and I'll send you the exact
address of the closest to you. Oh and give me your County as sometimes
they are listed by county.



good to hear from you, glad you are feeling better.



joseph



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Joseph,
I live in Tx. Next time if I have enough time I can make
arrangements to take off from work.
Yolanda

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Colotlan Group


If you are bilingual and are interested in a few pictures of Colotlan,
Jalisco look on at:


http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/Colotlense/

a new group just started. [not by me].

joseph

by the way the group offers a link to this website: www.colotlan.com

the link is broken but just cut and paste it into the URL address window.



Vamos A La Escuela Vamos Aprender a Leyer: MIT

thank you

makas@... wrote:

MIT is attempting to put all their courses on line. They have over 500
courses from 33 academic disciplines available

check these courses out:

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html

and on the left side

scroll down to history [click] and check out the courses called:

21H.802      Modern Latin America, 1808-Present: Revolution, Dictatorship,
Democracy Fall 2002

21H.912      The World Since 1492 Spring 2003

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Vamos A La Escuela Vamos Aprender a Leyer: MIT


MIT is attempting to put all their courses on line. They have over 500
courses from 33 academic disciplines available


check these courses out:

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html

and on the left side

scroll down to history [click] and check out the courses called:

21H.802 Modern Latin America, 1808-Present: Revolution, Dictatorship,
Democracy Fall 2002


21H.912	The World Since 1492 Spring 2003

============

If you take one or both of these you can tell your friends how you took
courses at MIT!


Joseph Puentes