Nuestros Ranchos Site

Atotonilco el Bajo, Jalisco---Bautismos

C601951   1802 - 1833   0233979
C601952   1833 - 1848   0233980

C601955 1847 - 1848 0233980

C601953 1849 - 1875 0233981

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Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco---Bautismos

C603001 1699 - 1749 0222109
C603002 1749 - 1769 0222110
C603003 1769 - 1777 0222111
C603004 1777 - 1785 0222112
C603005 1785 - 1793 0222113
C603006 1793 - 1799 0222114
C603007 1799 - 1808 0222115
C603008 1806 - 1811 0222116
C603009 1811 - 1817 0222117
C603011 1817 - 1821 0222118

C603012   1821 - 1824   0222119

C739165   1826-1828

C603013 1824 - 1828 0222120
C603014 1828 - 1832 0222121
C603015 1832 - 1835 0222122
C603016 1835 - 1839 0222123

C603017   1839 - 1844   0222124

C603018 1844 - 1846 0222125
C603019 1846 - 1852 0222126

J603021   1852 - 1856   0222127
C603022   1856 - 1861   0222128
J603023   1861 - 1864   0222129
J603024   1864 - 1868   0222130
C603025   1868 - 1872

canprin wrote:

Most recently, I was in contact with Steven Hernandez about a
death in the 1780's in the Atotonilco el Alto area. Now I will be
looking for second marriage data in Atotonilco

I guess I'm grasping at straws here, but I really don't know my moms
moms name, my maternal grandmother. All I have is a whisper of info on
her and 3 aliases (Adela Torres, Maria Garcia, Antonia Lopez), one of
which, the last one, looks like it really might be her name. . . .then
again I have an argument or two on why the middle name is the right one
and a tombstone with the first one that I'm pretty sure isn't her right
name but might have been a previous somebodys name.

But a tidbit of info that is the reason I'm writing about is that my Tio
(her son) says that he overheard that she was born in Jalisco. My Tia
(her daughter) said in one conversation something about Atotonilco, then
in a different conversation something about "El Alto or El Bajo." The
above memories are

Dear Researchers--
     I love to see your emails.  I loved looking at the most recent 
maps (might have been more...I'm not sure.)
     I am a serious researcher.  I have found that sometimes people 
take information and don't give back.  So far, I have not seen any 
links between your branches and the ones I do for my husband Ramon.  
I do make contact with others whose lines are the same but they may 
not come across on the website.  
     Most recently, I was in contact with Steven Hernandez about a 
death in the 1780's in the Atotonilco el Alto area.  Now I will be 
looking for second marriage data in Atotonilco or perhaps Ayo el 
Chico (now known as Ayotlan) or Tepatitlan.  
     Perhaps there are others in my same situation.  I am just 
waiting for you to move down a little more to the south and west in 
Jalisco in your research of ranchos.  I even have some lines that are 
in northern Michoacan.
     Keep looking and I will too.  
                          Sincerely,

readysetgo95814 wrote:

Joseph,

Thanks for putting those maps out there. Those are some great maps
with a lot of detail.

glad you liked them. Did you find the small ranchos that your people
came from??

I agree with you about changing the focus of the group. It helps the
whole group when everyone contributes. I think a good case in point
is how you and Angie found a link between you. This was made
possible by both of you posting your genealogies. I have a lot more
data that isn't in the reports I posted out here. The reason the
data isn't there is because I created ancestry reports which only
generate my direct line ancestors. I have data on non-direct line
ancestors that I would be willing to share if I knew they were of
interest to someone. I'll never know who might be interested in them
unless everyone posts their genealogy reports.

I'll continue to encourage those in the group to send their work in. I
know that Rich and Kitty Cortez have already sent

Joseph,

Thanks for putting those maps out there.  Those are some great maps 
with a lot of detail.
I agree with you about changing the focus of the group.  It helps the 
whole group when everyone contributes.  I think a good case in point 
is how you and Angie found a link between you.  This was made 
possible by both of you posting your genealogies.  I have a lot more 
data that isn't in the reports I posted out here.  The reason the 
data isn't there is because I created ancestry reports which only 
generate my direct line ancestors.  I have data on non-direct line 
ancestors that I would be willing to share if I knew they were of 
interest to someone.  I'll never know who might be interested in them 
unless everyone posts their genealogy reports.

Maria

Hello Everyone,

This is what I've been thinking and was wondering what you all thought.

My original intention for the group is a place where "serious"
researchers (or those desiring to be) could exchange ideas and
genealogies in the hopes of extending their work.

Present company excluded, I know there are a lot of folks that like to
extend their work by finding others that have done a lot of hard work
and using their efforts for their own genealogy. Now I have nothing
against finding others and reaping the benefits of their work as long as
the receiving party is also doing their own research and trying to take
that info and carry it further or even branch out with it. So with that
thought in mind I was thinking of changing the group description to
this. Please let me know what you think:

This group is for those actively searching for their Mexican Genealogy
Roots. Para hallar el Arbole Genealogia. The intent but never the
requirement is to stay focused on the Ranchos

Dear Joseph

I tried to enter rancho@yahoogroups.com this morning and there was no
reply,  I just couldn't get in, what happened?   Also I
didn't get any emails from rancho in a day or two.

Thank you

Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

thank you so much for this encouragement. I can't tell you why but
early on in my use of the FamilySearch website I've gotten used to using
the IGI "only" and I can see now that I really need to be doing my searches
using the "all resources" search feature.

thanks again. . .I'm converted.

joseph

 

aajay1073 wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:

go to:  http://www.familysearch.org

Anyway after looking around click on the Search tab.

then on the left side click on the IGI link

I wouldn't search in just the IGI tab (link).  Search in the All 
Resources tab.  It would automatically search in the International 
Genealogical Index (IGI) tab, the Vital Records Index (VRI) tab, and 
the Ancestral File tab.  One search for

thank you so much for this encouragement. I can't tell you why but early
on in my use of the FamilySearch website I've gotten used to using the IGI
"only" and I can see now that I really need to be doing my searches using
the "all resources" search feature.



thanks again. . .I'm converted.



joseph





aajay1073 wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:

  

go to:  http://www.familysearch.org

Anyway after looking around click on the Search tab.

then on the left side click on the IGI link

    

I wouldn't search in just the IGI tab (link).  Search in the All 
Resources tab.  It would automatically search in the International 
Genealogical Index (IGI) tab, the Vital Records Index (VRI) tab, and 
the Ancestral File tab.  One search for all three tabs!  The only 
problem is that it searches the other tabs which may not apply.  Just 
use the 'Sources Searched' section on your search results page, to 
see the full results in the selected tab

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> go to:  http://www.familysearch.org
> 
> Anyway after looking around click on the Search tab.
> 
> then on the left side click on the IGI link
> 

I wouldn't search in just the IGI tab (link).  Search in the All 
Resources tab.  It would automatically search in the International 
Genealogical Index (IGI) tab, the Vital Records Index (VRI) tab, and 
the Ancestral File tab.  One search for all three tabs!  The only 
problem is that it searches the other tabs which may not apply.  Just 
use the 'Sources Searched' section on your search results page, to 
see the full results in the selected tab (Ancestral File, IGI/Mexico, 
VRI/Mexico).  And then you will only need to drill down the tabs that 
apply.  The information in the VRI tab is more informative than the 
IGI tab.  It will include the parents and grandparents in christening 
records and the parents of the bride and groom in marriage records, 
and it includes

I have only seen Pio as a nickname for Pioquinto, (and Pia for 
Pioquinta).

- Angie

P.S.  I am working on getting some information to you on Manuel 
Romero and Ana Maria Casas.  I'll send an email in the next couple of 
days.

If your mom was registered in Chihuahua, Chihuahua then you hopefully can
find her in the civil records of that town. I'd say to look at the church
records but would be unsure which church she was baptised in. Later you can
order the films one at a time to find her. Anyway here is the listing of
the Civil records for Chihuahua up to the 1905 time period. . .I think that
is where I would start. If you need help in understanding how I found this
information on the Family Search Website let me know and I'll walk you through. 
Note that if you can't find them here and decide to check the church records
you might have to find them under the listing of "Hijos Naturales" since
you believe the parents were never married:

Title

Registros civiles, 1861-1992

Authors

Chihuahua (Chihuahua). Registro Civil (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Central del Registro Civil de
la Ciudad de Chihuahua.

La mayoría de los libros incluyen índice ordenado por apellidos.

Civil

Hi Joseph,

I have a little problem locating soneone that was born somewhere in
the 1909 - 1914.

First let me mention that my grandparents didn't get married. 
Their names were Jesus Alejandro Mitre and Concepcion Gandara

Second, they had 5 children.  One in Chihuahua, Chihuahua that
I know of (my mother Elena Mitre Gandra.)  she was born on August
15, 1905.

The rest claim that they were born in El Paso, Texas. Which I don't
believe and I will tell you why.

My grandfather Jesus Mitre was a string player and played at the theator
Lydico philharmonic in Mexico City where I was told that the rest of the
clan were born.

Problem is I don't know where to search.  The LDS don't have it
and I don't know who to write to.

This is why I am asking if you can help me locate a person, or place
that I can ask for registration, and or baptizos.

Your help would be very appricated

Thank you

Mary

 

 

 

 

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

No.

go to:  http://www.familysearch.org

spend some time looking around the

go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/

up in the top right click on "Register"

fill out the form (FREE) carefully writting down whatever ID and
password you choose (This part is critical!!!)

put the paper you wrote down your ID and Password in a safe place (don't
do like me and have to go hunting for those little scattered pieces of
paper I have with various and sundry passwords and id's)

After you've done this you'll have a Free Yahoo email address and account.

For ID I sometimes use my first name and zip code you decide whatever if
easy for you to remember.

After you do this click "Submit this form" and you should be signed up
for full access.

NOTE: if you don't want to be getting advertising email from Yahoo
uncheck any boxes at the bottom before submitting the form.

I think this is all if I've forgotten let me know and we'll go over it a
little deeper.

joseph

Mary Gervassi wrote:

Dear Mr Puentes,

yes at 49 I am kind of an old fart, but please do call me

No.



go to:  http://www.familysearch.org



spend some time looking around the site clicking all the links and see whats
available. . .its all free unless you order something. And if you do order
something like the Mexican Vital Records its soooo cheap for what you get.



Anyway after looking around click on the Search tab.



then on the left side click on the IGI link



and then just start using the free search.



let me know if I can help you in a specific search, we can go over it together
if you have any trouble. I truly believe after you or anyone else has done
two or so searches they will be fairly confident in their ability to navigate
the basic search part of the site.



joseph



ps:



one possible discouraging note on trying to find people that are less than
110 years old. Privacy is a concern of the LDS church and you will rarely
find info on current generations. but once you get past that 110 year area
you should start seeing more info.



this is not to say that the information isn't

http://www.behindthename.com/

cool site for those that haven't seen it before.

joseph

ps: Kitty this was send in response to your message about names. I'm
personally not to up on the different nicknames and used for the various
names but think this subject is extremely important as i have a whole
list of people that I think are the same person but in one record they
might be referred to as "Juan Jose" and in the next as "Tito" and then
"Sixto"

Has anyone ever seen "Tadeo" and "Pero" used interchangeably? How about
what is "Pio" the nickname for. . .could it be for "Esiquio?"

snail mail or finding someone else with a scanner will have to do. . .but
I work for the Postal Service and sending it that way would help keep me
employed and help this list continue. . .8^)



joseph



Mary Gervassi wrote:

The problem is, I don't have a sccaner.  Sorry,  I wish I did. Many people are asking me to
send them in a sccaner.
Thanks any way

Mary






AGACorpus@... wrote:

  

Mary,
I am interested in helping you read the documents you speak of.  Can you scan
one or two documents and send as an attachment.  I will be happy to help.

Mira


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Hi all,

I just got back from a very successful 4 day visit to CA. It was soooo
packed with activity most of it genealogy related. . .I visited with
family. I must have spend 100-150 bucks at kinko's using their 99cent
photo printer. And like puzzlework I was getting my money worth getting
up to 9 pictures on each 8.5 x 11 pages.

===================

Just wanted to share my concern that everyone on the list be very aware
that when you reply to a message that comes to you from the list (hint:
it has this in the subject: [ranchos]). Well if you reply to a message
with this in the subject it will go to everyone in the list. So if you
want to send a private email to someone that might have replied to your
message you have to cut and paste their email into the [To:] window.

thats what the group is all about to send out messages to the whole group.

so unless you really intend for the whole group to have things like your
personal information never send it out to emails with

-----Original Message-----
From: AGarza0972@...
[mailto:AGarza0972@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:36
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] One
Technique: Parent Search

Joseph,
do I need to be a member to get into the IGI search at Family Search?  I
am looking for the birth of my Dad, or the marriage of my grandparents. 
But I am only able to get into the

Hello Rancho group.
As I starded to read or trying to read my copies that I brought from Las
Cruces University, I ran into a "Limpa de Sangre" from Hidalgo del
Parral.  It cought my attention becouse it mentions  the surnames of
Garcia and de Olguin, both are in my line but at this moment I'm not
sure that it is my family but went ahead and search it any way.

My Olguins and Garcia are in the 1800's  and this is in 1764 and
earlier.  I will mention these names so that someone that is looking for
them might be able to contect me.

San Jose del Parral ..... January 28, 1764
Tirso Jose Garcia ....
farther ... Nicolas Garcia
mother ... Anna Simona Saens
padrino ... Francisco Saens

This is a "Limpa de Sangre" document, and I decided to search Nicolas
Garcia  and here is what I found.

Nicolas Garcia de Bustamonte  married Anna Simona Saens on....
November 11, 1759  in San Jose del Parral

Parents to Nicolas  Garcia are....
Franco. Garcia de Bustamonte and Anna Maria Marcano

Parents to

Hey Carol,

Let me know if you find out who the parents are for Maria Francisca 
Marquez. It is probably listed on her marriage to Juan Antonio De 
Casas.  I am interested in knowing if she is part of the Marquez 
family that I am researching.

Thanks,
Angie

I love to use the IGI. 

I look for Children by using the Parents' Index.  I will use the 
father's name and his wife's and then switch the order and use the 
mother's name and her husband's.  This can bring good results.  The 
IGI only has two generations but if you can order the film from which 
it was extracted, you can gain more information.

Hopefully you will find a child/or children and by using the date of 
the first born, you can go back a year and try for a marriage date. 

Usually the marriage names are more complete and with these, either 
bride or groom or both, you can try for their birth dates and 
places and their parents' names.  Again try and get the film because 
although the IGI seems to show everyone could be related, they may 
not be!   

When I am searching for a person, I use the IGI and stop as I go 
along to check the films I have on permanent loan.  If I don't have 
the film(s), I can make the decision to order or not.  This is when I 
can also check to see

The problem is, I don't have a sccaner.  Sorry,  I wish I did. Many people are asking me to
send them in a sccaner.
Thanks any way

Mary






AGACorpus@... wrote:

> Mary,
> I am interested in helping you read the documents you speak of.  Can you scan
> one or two documents and send as an attachment.  I will be happy to help.
>
> Mira
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Mary,
I am interested in helping you read the documents you speak of.  Can you scan 
one or two documents and send as an attachment.  I will be happy to help.

Mira

Mary,
If you want to forward me those copies I would be happy to help.  My 
Spanish is fluent, but depending on the age of the documents it might 
take me a little more time with the older documents.  I have 
experience with 1700's Spanish. I also know some very experienced 
genealogists I could ask for help if I need to.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Gervassi  wrote:
> Dear Mr Puentes,
> 
> I just came back from the Univerisity of Las Cruces in New Mexico.  
I need
> someone to help me translate the copies that I made, matrimonales, 
limpa de
> sangre, and some other copies.
> 
> Also how do I get a password and an ID to enter information on the 
Rancho web.
> 
> Thank you
> Mary
> 
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> 
> > How many of you all are thoroughly using the IGI parent search 
feature
> > of the Family Search website? Now I'm not saying that I am either 
but
> > here are a few of the strategies I use in hunting for my 
ancestors.
> >
> > I'm going to use

Hi Joseph,

Here is the link to look up a código postal:  
http://www.sepomex.gob.mx/cp/busca_cp.html

I looked up Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco, Colonia Santa Maria 
de los Angeles and got:  46240

For Apatzingan, Michoacan I selected one of the Colonia's at random 
and got:  60656

You would need the address to get an accurate zip code, but now you 
have the link.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I need the CP (?Codio Postal?) for both Santa Maria de Los Angeles 
and 
> Apatzingan Michoacan
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas how to get the CP's for these places and 
> other ranchos in Mexico?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph