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Hola Rancho Members,my name is Ronnie Reynoso ,my search takes me to 
Los altos area -towns -San Julian ,union de san antonio,san Jose de 
los Reynoso and San Miguel el alto.Surnames are many -
Reynoso,Padilla,Magana Centeno,Munoz ,Portillo,Marquez and much 
more.Early names include Romo de Vivar ,Ledesma de La Torre ,Paredes 
de Franco,Gutierrez de Hermosillo,Garcia de (Ramirez and Hermosillo)
and more.Oh before I forget hola Paco(Steve Hernandez)thanks for the 
e-mails you send ,and for the members Steve Hernandez is also a new 
founded relative.I tend to believe I am related to a vast majority of 
people in the Los altos area.Any way thank you for membership.
Ronnie Reynoso ,pariente a casi todos de Los Altos.

Evie I know you probably already saw these but just in case you haven't
here is what I found:

JOSEPHA LEONICIA BILLEGAS FLORES

Female
Christening:

30 APR 1760   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

 Father:  JUAN BILLEGAS Family

Mother: PASQUALA FLORES
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C602863 1755 - 1768 0443673

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who might this be?:

YGNOCENCIA JOSEPHA BILLEGAS

Female
11 JAN 1762 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

 Father:  JUAN BILLEGAS Family

Mother: PASQUALA DE LA TRINIDAD
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C602863 1755 - 1768 0443673

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and this?:

JOSEPHE BARTOLO VILLEGAS
09 SEP 1764   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
 Father:  JUAN VILLEGAS Family

Mother: PASQUALA DE LA TRINIDAD
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C602863 1755 - 1768 0443673

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JOSE TOMAS VILLEGAS

Hi Evie:

Did you check matrimonios and marriage informacion records?  Marriage
informacion should give detailed information.  Hang in there, I'm
in the same boat it gets hard when you are in the mid 1700's.  I 
have also viewed baptism records when they give no last names for the child
and it's frustrating.

Carol

evievillegas wrote:

 I am desperately in need of advice. 
Juan Florencio Villegas was

born in Ameca, JAL and married to Pascuala Flores in 1759 in

Colotlan, JAL. He died there in 1801.  On the marriage document

his parents are listed as Bartolome de Villegas and Nicolasa

Rodrigues.  His death certificate lists only his wife's name
and

no birthplace.  The only Juan birth possibility I could find
in

Ameca  was a Juan Rodrigues born in Ameca to a Bartolome

with no last name, but the time period was too early (1696) and

the mother's first name is not the same.  I have the birth
records

of 4 possible brothers and sisters who were born in Tlaltenango

De Sanchez Roman, ZAC.  Their

I am desperately in need of advice.  Juan Florencio Villegas was 
born in Ameca, JAL and married to Pascuala Flores in 1759 in 
Colotlan, JAL. He died there in 1801.  On the marriage document 
his parents are listed as Bartolome de Villegas and Nicolasa 
Rodrigues.  His death certificate lists only his wife's name and 
no birthplace.  The only Juan birth possibility I could find in 
Ameca  was a Juan Rodrigues born in Ameca to a Bartolome 
with no last name, but the time period was too early (1696) and 
the mother's first name is not the same.  I have the birth records 
of 4 possible brothers and sisters who were born in Tlaltenango 
De Sanchez Roman, ZAC.  Their births occurred between 1729 
and 1734.  Several of them married in Colotlan near the time of 
Juan's marriage.  However, the parents listed for these 
possibilities are Bartolome Villegas and either Maria Nicolasa, 
Juana Nicolasa or Nicolasa de la Cruz and not Nicolasa 
Rodrigues.  Still hoping these are all members of Juan

How many of you are using WorldCat to find books that you might want to
do an interlibrary loan on?

did I hear one or two of you say, "What's WorldCat?"

WorldCat is a World Catalog. . .its is a catalog for the libraries of
the World.

I've been amazed at what can be found using WorldCat.

If you are a member of your local public or University library ask them
about access to WorldCat at home. On my local library's system they give
you a special password and you have access to a "bunch" of databases
including WorldCat.

Anyway any serious researcher needs to start using WorldCat and ordering
books from around the World*** (or at least around the country).

***If you find a book that is owned by another country, like lets say,
uh, Mexico, you will have a much better chance of getting it on Inter
Library Loan if you make the request through your most prestigious local
University. There is something about loaning books to other Educational
institutions that opens doors

Hi Maria,

Yes, I will be happy to look for Miguel Jose Castaneda for you. I also have "Luna" in my line and will be looking for Gertrudis de Luna.

Saludos, Helyn

Hi Helyn,

In your intro you said that you had just checked out a film for

Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman from the late 1700's.  It just so

happens that I am interested in one record that might be in that

film.  I am interested in Miguel Jose Castañeda, son of Pedro

Castañeda and Gertrudis de Luna.  His christening date is 9 Oct

1777.  Please let me know if you can help.

Maria

Hi Helyn,
In your intro you said that you had just checked out a film for 
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman from the late 1700's.  It just so 
happens that I am interested in one record that might be in that 
film.  I am interested in Miguel Jose Castañeda, son of Pedro 
Castañeda and Gertrudis de Luna.  His christening date is 9 Oct 
1777.  Please let me know if you can help.
Maria

two quick things:

1) I'm wanting to keep the genealogies in the non-public "Files"
section. I'm pretty sure I've moved everyones Genealogy submission from
their individual email to the files section. It is then my intent to
delete those emails from the email archive. With some I'll probably put
the email message itself into a "text file" in their folder along with
their Genealogy submission.

2) Since I didn't get any negative feedback I'm going to move ahead and
add Aguascalientes to the Geographical area of research interest for
this group.

joseph

ps: check out my new webpage:
http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/ they give you 30
megabytes free so I eventually might be freeing up some of the Yahoo
Files space up for the newcomers and adding a link in the "links"
section to this page.

I struggled for over a year, attempting to find my father's birth record (another story, another time) I recalled my mother mentioning a cousin of my father's that had lived here in California, Bruno Castaneda. I procrastinated for some time, as I was not interested in researching Bruno's line as I was intent in a direct line...my...my...I learned a lesson here.

I sent for a copy of Bruno's original application from Social Security which stated that he was born in Chimaltitan, Jalisco, I then ordered the film for Chimaltitan which opened some new horizons, that information is attached. Although this is not my direct line, perhaps it will be helpful to someone.

I believe the grandfathers of my father, Ramon Castaneda, and his cousin, Bruno Castaneda were brothers: Maximino Castaneda and Maneor Castaneda due to the approximate years of birth.

Con Saludos, Helyn

Attachment:
Maximino Castaneda.doc

Description: Binary data

I just realized that I have not looked at my Castaneda records for over a year, as I have been researching my mother's line, and I have not had the names proofread.  If I pursue that task now it would be weeks before it is accomplished. So for now, I would rather submit my records as promised. Please see attachment.

Thank you, Helyn Sparkman de Castaneda

Attachment:
Castaneda 1.doc

Description: Binary data

Hello Ranchos group.

>From Roberta Romero

I would like to say thanks to Stephen Hernandez for soooo much of his 
genealogy work and his sharing it with the group.  

For some reason my oldest aunt does not want to share information on 
my family. So I ask the group and Stephen if they have any 
information on my grandfather - his name is Isidoro Martin born @ 
1905 in Jalisco.  His father's name was Margarito Martin.  Margarito 
had a ranch and two of his children remained on the ranch, they are 
Rafael Martin and Maria Martin (not sure if she married).  My oldest 
aunt does not remember her grandmother's name, but she says she 
remembrs the name Capilla de Guadalupe.  My aunt did share a story - 
she says that the federales killed my grandfather's brother - she 
thinks his name was Everisto (sp?).  They also had children named 
Juanita and Cholie (sp?).

Any info would be help.

Thanks.

Roberta Romero
Albuquerque, NM

I second that!  Irma

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:35 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] cousins



well I'm really glad you are making so much progress.  .  .but all I 
have to say is. . ."develop." Yes now you have been given a lot of your 
genealogy so don't be content with the way it is. Take some of that 
information and order the films and confirm it for yourself. Take the 
information and develop it further. Take some of the later generations 
and add some of the flesh to the bones and add a biography to those that 
you can get info about. Write your mom's or your grandmom's biography. . 
.it doesn't have to be (but it can) real long but even just a few pages 
will be wonderful for someone to read 5 generations from now. Start 
working your genealogy into a form that you can pass to all the branches 
of your family so that this great information won't be forgotten again. 
Let us be the

Joseph,

yes I just got back from ordering 3 films......I need to get my grandmothers and gr. grandmothers info.....first and put it all together.

Stella

This too shall pass.............

I am also interested in Helyn's Castañeda line.  If you look in the 
files section in my Sánchez report, you'll see that I have a line of 
Castañedas from Tepechitlán and Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román.  Let me 
know if you can tie them into your family.

Thanks to Steven for the unselfish way he shares information with the 
rest of the group.  I knew he would be a real asset to this group.

Maria Cortez

I'd like to welcome Helyn to the group. Here is her introduction. She
said she would be sending in her genealogy later and I in particular am
interested in seeing her Castaneda information.

joseph
=========================

Joseph, Thank you for this fantatic site. I appreciate your hard
work, and dedication in bringing us all together in our Genealogy
quest. I have been an ardent researcher at the local Family History
Center fo the past 4 years and just received a film for the late
1700's for Tlaltenango de Sanches Roman.

Was beginning to think that I was never going to graduate out of the
1800's, as a fellow researcher had encouraged me to copy all with the
surnames on my line as they are bound to be related. So, this, I have
quite the database, and happy to share information.

The surnames are Magallanas, Luna, Herrera, Carlos, Robles, Serrno,
Mota, Sandoval, Cabrera, and Gonzles.

In the Momax records, my hunt is for Castaneda, Haro, Chaves,
Contreras, and

well I'm really glad you are making so much progress.  .  .but all I have
to say is. . ."develop." Yes now you have been given a lot of your genealogy
so don't be content with the way it is. Take some of that information and
order the films and confirm it for yourself. Take the information and develop
it further. Take some of the later generations and add some of the flesh
to the bones and add a biography to those that you can get info about. Write
your mom's or your grandmom's biography. . .it doesn't have to be (but it
can) real long but even just a few pages will be wonderful for someone to
read 5 generations from now. Start working your genealogy into a form that
you can pass to all the branches of your family so that this great information
won't be forgotten again. Let us be the generation that stops the forgetting
and starts the remembering.



"Vamos a parar ovildando y comensar acordando."



I'm so happy for you,

joseph



SJLSTAR@... wrote:

Joseph,

I can't thank you enough for

Joseph,

I can't thank you enough for what has happened to me!!! I have connected with three cousins!!! or should I say they connected with me!! This is so awesome........I never tried to trace this line because it seemed so hopeless..........yet its the easiest so far......with familysearch org the records are right online.....yes I have to order records.....etc.......but to talk to my cousins......and go to my mother and ask her this this and this..........I have been calling her everyday with something...........I use to call her once a month.......I have even reconnected with her............THANK YOU!!!!

Stella

This too shall pass.............

-----Original Message-----
From: Pacorro73@...
[mailto:Pacorro73@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:03
PM
To: igomezlucero@...
Subject: Catching
up.

Hi Irma,

I just wanted to send you this
little message to ask you if you got my latest message or if you've had a
chance to see the information on the Gutiérrez family that I sent out. 

Pacorro73@... wrote:

Joseph and all members of Ranchos:



In light of last weekend's discussion over the surname Martín del Campo,
and because of a very hectic weekend, I decided to belatedly throw in my
two cents worth.  The Martín del Campo family, as María Cortéz mentioned,
is indeed a family of purely Alteño origins.  Several of us, including María
Cortéz, Roberta Romero, Irma Gutiérrez Lucero, and myself, are descended
from the progenitor of the Martín del Campo clan.  I'm sure there are several
others out there who are also descendants.  Anyone with this surname is undoubtedly
related to one another.  The surname is still kept by many as Martín del
Campo, but over the centuries some descendants have shortened it to Martín
or changed it to Martínez.

So then in 1931 the doctor who signed my grandfathers death certificate:
Rafael Martin del Campo is probably related. Has anyone out there ever heard
of Rafael Martin del Campo, MD who worked around the San Fernando Valley
in the

Joseph and all members of Ranchos:



In light of last weekend's discussion over the surname Martín del Campo, and because of a very hectic weekend, I decided to belatedly throw in my two cents worth.  The Martín del Campo family, as María Cortéz mentioned, is indeed a family of purely Alteño origins.  Several of us, including María Cortéz, Roberta Romero, Irma Gutiérrez Lucero, and myself, are descended from the progenitor of the Martín del Campo clan.  I'm sure there are several others out there who are also descendants.  Anyone with this surname is undoubtedly related to one another.  The surname is still kept by many as Martín del Campo, but over the centuries some descendants have shortened it to Martín or changed it to Martínez.



My research on this particular family has been ongoing for several years now, but I have not been the only one doing research on them.  Much of my data had been investigated by the late Jaime Holcombe Isunza (+).  His research is available to everyone via

I read this book "Estirpe de Cazcanes; Norte de Jalisco y Sur de Zacatecas"
by Luis Sandoval Godoy. It was produced in cooperation with the University
of Guadalajara, Colotlan, Jalisco; ISBN: 968-5206-81-3



Now I said all that and I really don't even recommend the reading of this
book only because it lacks references to the subject material. The book pretty
much takes all the surrounding areas (Colotlan, Tepechitlan, Tlaltenango,
Momax ) and tells some background stories. Background History of an area
can help us understand things as we do our research. Sometimes records are
missing or there are gaps. Or sometimes records are found in unusual or unexpected
places. Some of the following kinds of events are very possibly the reasons
why these different from the norm situations can and do happen.



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Here are a couple of things that were interesting and needful of further
study both for confirmation and for additional details.



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The Revolucion Cristera

This is what I was talking about when I said we need to start digging
into the History of our area of research. . .in the context of this
group that area being the estados de Jalisco y Zacatecas. Recently
Steven Hernandez send two magnificient emails to Irma Gomez Lucero
giving wonderful historical background for the Los Altos area.

Earlier today I uploaded two Census Information scans from the area of
present day Calvillo, Aguascalientes provided by Gloria Delgado. Then
she sent me this email and it has just a few lines of Historical
information which I'm sure shes going to add to later. Now if we all
made it our goal to dig out one or two nuggets of the history of our
particular area of research maybe something will somehow make sense to
someone. . .in this email from Gloria she said something that might have
interest to those of you studying the Villa de Refugio or Tabasco,
Zacatecas area. Thanks again Gloria:

Hi Joseph,

Thank you, I'm glad you think it's a good

Thanks to Gloria Delgado we now have two scans in the files section
for the Valle de Huejucar area of present day Calvillo,
Aguascalientes. If some of your relatives came from those areas or the
Ranchos in present day Zacatecas bordering Aguascalientes you should
take a look at these scans. There are several films covering this area
in the Calvillo, Aguascalientes church.

Thanks Gloria,

joseph

I'd like to welcome Charles Clark to the group.

When everyone has a chance go to the "Links" area and see the link to
his genealogy. . .which is tied into Deena Ortiz' rootsweb site.

joseph

Hi Joseph,

I don't think Martin del Campo is a common surname except in Los 
Altos de Jalisco.  Three of my grandparents were from Los Altos and 
all three have Martin del Campo in their ancestry.  I am guessing 
they are all related, but right now I only have a couple of them 
connected.  I've read that all the Martin del Campo's from Los Altos 
descend from Lazaro Martin del Campo (the one you uploaded a family 
group sheet for).

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Puentes"  wrote:
> 
> So someone educate me. . .is the surname Martin del Campo a very
> common last name? Maria with all those Martin del Campo's in several
> differnt lines of various ones in the group it seems there should 
be a
> cross somewhere. Or is Martin del Campo kind of like Smith?
> 
> joseph