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Fabulous idea and when i get some time I'll work on getting my list of films
available to put in the files section. thanks.



yes the spirit of cooperation. . .in time we are going to develope into a
fine tuned researching machine for others to pattern themselves. Certainly
the Rootsweb groups leave a lot to be desired in this respect.



joseph





readysetgo95814 wrote:

Stella,
Thanks for the offer to do lookups for the group. I don't have anyone 
I am looking for in that area that I know of, but I appreciate the 
offer just the same. I think this is where we can really help one 
another.  I was thinking we should have a place where we post what 
film(s) we are currently viewing in case anyone in the group needs a 
lookup done for them.  I recently asked Helyn for a lookup and she 
graciously agreed.  Thank you Helyn!

I am currently viewing film #0628877. This is the first film for 
Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco and it covers baptisms for the years 
1801-1818. I should mention that

Stella,
Thanks for the offer to do lookups for the group. I don't have anyone 
I am looking for in that area that I know of, but I appreciate the 
offer just the same. I think this is where we can really help one 
another.  I was thinking we should have a place where we post what 
film(s) we are currently viewing in case anyone in the group needs a 
lookup done for them.  I recently asked Helyn for a lookup and she 
graciously agreed.  Thank you Helyn!

I am currently viewing film #0628877. This is the first film for 
Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco and it covers baptisms for the years 
1801-1818. I should mention that the books on this film are for a 
parroquia that was an offshoot of the Parroquia de San Felipe, 
Cuquio, Jalisco.  The parroquia was called "Hayuda de la Parroquia de 
San Miguel de Quelitan feligresia de Cuquio".  I think the parroquia 
de Ixtlahuacan del Rio was founded later.  Anyway, I would be happy 
to do lookups for others as well.

Maria Cortez

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From: Joseph Puentes
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Subject: [ranchos] Was
Totatiche Films/Info Mining???

thats great. You just
never know how the padrinos are going to be related. They could be the
abuelos, siblings, tios, primos, or just exceptionally close friends of the
family. The older records before 1800 seem to stop giving the abuelos but you
still have the padrinos listed. so in the older records they take on a more
important role since there is now less information in each

thats great. You just never know how the padrinos are going to be related.
They could be the abuelos, siblings, tios, primos, or just exceptionally
close friends of the family. The older records before 1800 seem to stop giving
the abuelos but you still have the padrinos listed. so in the older records
they take on a more important role since there is now less information in
each record to work with. I guess the point I'm making is that learning to
dig, dig, dig every little bit of information from each record, leaving no
rock unturned now will help you much later when you are working with less
info in the records.



Others I'm sure can add much to what info I try to dig out of a post 1800
baptismal record. . .here's my list of what I try to find.



1) of course the written details of the child.

2) the names of the parents

3) the names of the grandparents

4) the names of the padrinos

5) I do a person search on each name given in the record being careful to
do a search with the exact

Joseph,

thats a good idea, taking a copy of the indexes  (sp?)  anyways I have done what you have said and yes have found other people......infact the padrina to my padrina........was one of my moms best friends and she didn't even know it!!!......my padrina/madrina....is my moms sister but she is 10 years younger than my mom.

Stella

This too shall pass.............

Great job Stella,



Wow you are really digging in and doing your own research. . .go girl! I
wish I had relatives in totatiche for you to help me find. . .that would
mean we might be relatives too. You never know but later we might find some
there too.



uh, ummm, just wondering but have you done a page by page study of each film
from beginning to end? If not some of my greatest finds have been when I'm
not searching for anyone in particular but just trying to find any relatives
I might come across.



just a suggestion but I'd recommend if you haven't already done this,  go
back and slowly scan each record paying careful attention to the wives of
each of the abuelos. Also write down any padrinos that look like they might
be related. Many times the padrinos are related. And if you are lucky the
padrinos are a married couple and are closely related. Then you can do a
parent search for them and see who else you can find maybe on another film.




If you've decided to really let the films go

Hello folks,

I have a couple of films until July 3rd.....I am done if anyone would like me too look someone up for them I would be glad too

Mexico, Jalisco, Totatiche- church records.

Bautismos 1880-1890

Bautismos 1898-1906

Bautismos de hijos naturales 1906-1944

Confirmaciones 1879, 1906,1910-1958 (en desorden)

The confirmations don't have any info except the year, the confirmants name, the parents and the godparents.

I have another film that came in today, but don't know which one...she didn't tell me..but I am on my way over there now to view it, same area..........

Stella

This too shall pass.............

thanks for the info.

I just checked Dr. Platt's Census reference pages and it doesn't list
Totatiche in the 168809 film. I also have the 168809 film and even
though I haven't done a slooow roll-thru it yet I haven't seen Totatiche
in it. I kind of did a semi-fast pass through it and I'll have to have
another look at it later.

These are the places that Dr. Platt's reference has for Totatiche.

joseph

aajay1073 wrote:

I haven't really had a chance to look all the way through it. I only
looked at about 30 pages of it which included the city of Totatiche,
Jalisco and the nearby ranches. 30 pages isn't even a quarter of the
film.

I didn't even find the family I was looking for. :-( I found many
families that I am related to but not the one that I am stuck on and
was hoping I could get some additional information about them from
the census. I probably need to get the film: Padrones 1817 - FHL
INTL Film [ 168809 ]

Next time I look at the film, I'll see if Jerez is

Jose it was me, Joseph who was asking Angie if Jerez was in her 1820 Census
film. If it was and if it wasn't a very large section I was hoping she would
check to see if any Puente or Muro's were on the film. I don't know of any
Puentes or Muro family members that were from there just thought if she spotted
any I'd be interested in who they might be.



thanks,



joseph



Jose Macias wrote:

Angie ; Who were looking for in Jerez
?

 

Jose Macias

usa20 @earthlink.net

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Subject:
[ranchos] Re: 1820 Census ?

Here is the information:



Title

Padrones, 1639-1875



Authors

Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)



Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagarda Mitra en

Guadalajara.

Census records from parishes within the

Here is the information:

Title
Padrones, 1639-1875

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagarda Mitra en 
Guadalajara.
Census records from parishes within the Diocese of Guadalajara, 
Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
Mexico, Jalisco - Census
Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Census 

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Padrones 1820 -  FHL INTL Film [ 168818 ]

I haven't really had a chance to look all the way through it.  I only 
looked at about 30 pages of it which included the city of Totatiche, 
Jalisco and the nearby ranches.  30 pages isn't even a quarter of the 
film.

I didn't even find the family I was looking for. :-(  I found many 
families that I am related to but not the one that I am stuck on and 
was hoping I could get some additional information about them from 
the census.  I probably need to get the film: Padrones 1817 -  FHL 
INTL Film [ 168809 ]

Next time I look at the film, I'll see if

This was in the latest issue of Somos Primos found at:
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2003/spjun03.htm

====================

CIUDADES IMPORTANTES PARA INVESTIGACIÓN GENEALÓGICA
DE LA REPUBLICA MEXICANA
EN SUS ARCHIVOS ECLESIÁSTICOS


Guillermo Padilla Origel
CIUDAD EDO. PARROQUIA Bau. Mat. Def.
AGUASCALIENTES AGS. SAGRARIO 1616 1663 1620



ESTADO DE COAHUILA

MONCOLOVA COAH. SANTIAGO 1688 1690 1777

PARRAS COAH. STA, MARIA 1653 1683 1693

SALTILLO COAH. SAGRARIO 1684 1703 1745

DISTRITO FEDERAL

TACUBA D.F. SN. GABRIEL 1605 1623 1619

XOCHIMILCO D.F. BERNARDINO 1597 1601 1639

SAGRARIO MET. D.F. ASUNCIÓN 1537 1575 1671

S.CATARINA M. D.F. IDEM 1568 1589 1664

S. VERACRUZ D.F. IDEM 1560 1568 1622

ESTADO DE DURANGO

DURANGO DUR. SAGRARIO 1642 1624 -------

NOMBRE DE DIOS DUR. S. PEDRO 1634 1660 --------

ESTADO DE MÉXICO

TOLUCA E, MEX. SAGRARIO 1626 1655 1696

ESTADO DE GUANAJUATO

CELAYA GTO. SAGRARIO 1682 1658 1635

DOLORES HIDALGO GTO. DOLORES 1682 1728 1736

GUANAJUATO GTO. STA

Finally a question close enough for me to respond with the recent 3
files uploaded to the Dr. Platt Census records area. These 3 new scans
are the Acronyms to the Census records that are not in the Family
History Library Catalog.

As to the question I don't know about the 1740's or 1750's but the 1760
Colotlan Census can be found at "AGI Guadalajara 401."

In the Acronym pages you will find that AGI stands for: Archivo General
de Indias, Seville, Spain

joseph



evievillegas wrote:

Where does one find census information for Colotlan in the
1740's and 1750's? Thanks. Evie

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Where does one find census information for Colotlan in the 
1740's and 1750's?  Thanks. Evie

Hi Angie,

I was wondering if you can give us a brief summary of what all is on the
Film you are looking at for the 1820 Census? I looked at Dr. Platt's
pages from the files section and see that that film is listed for
several cities in Jalisco and Zacatecas. The section that covers Jerez
is that many many pages. . .I have no idea how big of a city it was in
1820. You didn't happen to notice an Puente names there did you?

I guess I'm not asking for a detailed report but just a something giving
the area of coverage. Maybe if others in the group have other census
films we can slowly start mapping out what areas the census cover so we
can see if we can figure out how they went about doing the census in the
different years. I know when you look at the LDS film numbers you have
no clue. but Dr. Platt helps out much in what is where, but still there
is a lot of info missing for us to make better sense of these census films.

I found an interesting film that will really come

Hi Angie
I just check my PAF and find Jose Carlos Godina married 14 Mar 1781 
Totatiche, Jal to Maria Encarnacion Sanches.  FHL  M617071 1755-1807  
1164031 Parroquia Records.   I also show Maria Encarnacion Sanches 
father to be Lorenzo Sanches and mother Maria Peres.  This must have 
shown on the Family Search site,  my own documentation does not show 
I have cert. on file.  But Rich and I are going to FHL in SLC next 
month and will look up the film.  My  own film log does not show  it 
on file at SLC so I will order it and have it ready for our next trip 
this coming June 19th.  I don't have any other information on Maria 
Peres.
 
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?
PAGE=vr/search_VR.asp&clear_form=true
this is the link to the vital records  
 
I just noticed that Family Search.org uses the same batch number and 
film number for Parroquia Records and Vital Records.  Wonder how that 
can be.  
By clicking on Maria Encarnacion Sanches' name, I picked up her

In going to my LDS here in Kansas City, they told me all batch numbers
are not listed for certain towns and in certain time periods.  Villanueva
is one of my towns I'm researching (My brick wall too) and I haven't been
able to come up with batch numbers for the time period 1750-1800's. 
Also I'm doing research in La Piedad, Michaocan and they didn't have batch
numbers for this town either.

Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

I'm having trouble finding batch numbers before 1860 for Villanueva,
Zacatecas.

so far I've found   C601091
from 1860-1865

I've also found C601092 and C601092

but I can't seem to find anything before 1860.

Does anyone know if calling the LDS library can tell you if batches
of info have actually been entered for certain time periods for certain
locations? If this is possible would anyone know what number or who to
call in Salt Lake?

thanks,

Joseph

ps: thanks for the replies to my Segundo question. . . I figured it
wasn't going to be that easy.

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Kitty,

I was wondering if you ever found additional information on Jose 
Carlos Godina.  I remember I sent you information on two children of 
his, Nasario and Petra.  Do you know if he had any other children?

I was recently looking at the 1820 Census of Totatiche.  I don't have 
it in front of me but from memory.... In the Cartagenas Ranch section 
there was about ten families.  One was widow Carlos Godina living 
with I believe a granchild (a Sandoval), then Narsario Godina and 
family, and Petra Godina and family.  There was my Perez Family, whom 
as I told you before, was godson of Carlos's Parents, Christobal 
Godina and Clara Ramos.  Then there was a Eucebia Godina with 
family.  I believe Eucebia was related to my Godina family.   So I 
was wondering if she is a daughter to Carlos Godina?  The other 
families I think had the surname of Carrillo and maybe Lopez.  I 
didn't recoginize them, so now I don't remember who they were.

I wonder if my Perez family is also related to

WOW. . .I never knew about this. by the looks of it they don't have batch
info past that 1860 period. . .well thats good and bad. But the good part
is that I'll just have to order some films from there and hope to find my
GGGGG grandfather Cosme del Muro there.



thanks so much for sharing this.



yup my short time as a researcher reveals itself again. . .



joseph



ps: Carol Turner. . .have you ordered any Villanueva films yet. . .your Juan
del Muro might be there. Ask me why I think so.





Jon Walker wrote:

Hi,

One of the ways, to find the batch
numbers, for a locality is by going to a FHC, and looking at the Parish
and Vital Records List, it is on microfiche.  And is only current as of
1998.

 

I am including  the scanned image,
of the list for Villanueva, Zacatecas.

 

Good luck, and any questions let
me know.

 

Jon Walker

jonwalker@...

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Steven,

I live in New Mexico, so I will be unable to attend.
My grandfather was a Col. in the Cristero Rebellion
for the Cristeros.  His name was Zacarias Cervantes
Velasco.  His activities were in the southern part of
Jalisco and Northern Colima.  If you have any
information that mentions his name can you contact me.

Thank You,
Angelo R. Cervantes

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Steven,

I live in New Mexico, so I will be unable to attend.
My grandfather was a Col. in the Cristero Rebellion
for the Cristeros.  His name was Zacarias Cervantes
Velasco.  His activities were in the southern part of
Jalisco and Northern Colima.  If you have any
information that mentions his name can you contact me.

Thank You,
Angelo R. Cervantes

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Dear Ranchos group,



I would like to cordially invite all of you to SHHAR's quarterly meeting which will take place in the City of Orange, California this upcoming Saturday, May 31st.  I welcome everyone who lives in the Southern California region to please join us that morning.

May 31st: 

Cristero Rebellion of 1926 to 1929 



Steven Hernandez, 11 AM



Society of Hispanic Historical & Ancestral Research 

Quarterly Meeting

Orange County Multi-Regional Family History Center

674 S. Yorba, City of Orange

FREE

Historian Steven Hernandez, completed his thesis on the topic of the Cristero Rebellion. He will be sharing data, documentations, and stories found during his investigation of that time period.



Schedule:

9:00 AM to 10:30 AM Networking

10:30 to 11:00 Introductions and Announcements

11:00 SPEAKER: Steven Hernandez



I will be doing a Powerpoint presentation covering the history of the poor relations between the Mexican State and the Catholic Church, the Cristero War in full detail

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I had two uncles who were given the name Alejandro.  They were both born on
March 17 (different years, of course) which is the saint's day of Alejandro
and Patricio.  My grandfather believed in naming his children after their
saint's name.  The first Alejandro died in infancy.  Well, years later the
second Alejandro was born on March 17 too.  Hence, he was given the name
Alejandro Segundo.  The first Alejandro was always referred to as Alejandro
Primero.  This is just my experience....
Irma
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Subject: [ranchos] re Segundo



There are 6 Juan Segundos or Juan Jose Segundos in my maternal line, 
and they seem to have nothing in common.  Two are first-born, one is 
8th in line, one 6th, one 4th, only one is 2nd in line.  No matches 
as to birthdate. It seems that 'Segundo' at least in my family 
doesn't necessarily mean second-born or second son.

I have