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Esparza Amatlan to Cocula

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Hi. I'm stuck and need some help. Looking for records for Juan Esteban (or Estevan) Esparza and his Father Gregorio Esparza.

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Hola,

It says he's been living in Rancho de Quilita, in the jurisdiction of Tecolotlan, for six years at the time of this testimony.

I'm not clear on the "THO" that you're talking about? There is an abbreviation, "dho" that they'd use constantly in these documents; it means "dicho" which means "stated" as in the name of the town has already been stated prior in the document.

How are you certain that your Esparza line goes directly back to Esparza, Navarra? There are several towns and places named Velez in Spain, mostly in Andalucia and Murcia but I have no idea or proof that my ancestors' line goes back to any of them. Wondering how you are you sure of yours? Do you have a source of info that directs you to that place?

Sandra Velez

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I wasn't sure if it was quilita since i couldn't find it on a map. Must not be there anymore. Yes it was DHO i was referring too and that makes much more sense when i read it now, thank you.

I'm not certain my line comes from there. I just assumed since there is a record of a ruiz de esparza coming from there to aguas calientes. It's one of the many reasons im doing this, finding my roots. As are all of us. So I'll see what happens if i can trace it there

Thank you for the input Sandra.

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Sandra Velez

http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/Default.aspx

This is a government site and is excellent for looking up the locations of towns & ranchos that may no longer exist. You can find non-existent or very small, unmapped towns/ranchos by clicking first on the name of the municipality, then on the name of the town/rancho you're looking for, and whether it's currently active or inactive, it will be listed and shown on a Google-type map including satellite imagery.

If you can't find a rancho in one municipality, remember local government lines have changed over the years from then to now, and while any town may have been in one municipality back when, it could be in a different one now, so look also in adjoining districts as well.

Edesparza81,
In Tecolotlan, the closest town I found to Quilita was Quililla, which could be the modern name of the town you're looking for. Cocula or Tapalpa would be other good ones to check in if you think present-day Quililla might not be the Quilita listed in your documents.

Good luck

El Archivo General de Indias (AGI)

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Estimados compañeros,

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Muchisimas gracias Efrain por el video tutorial,

Me fue muy util, hace años lo habia usado, y luego regrese a trabajar y
como dice el dicho, si no lo usas, lo pierdes.

Gracias a este video, de nuevo puedo entrar a PARES.

Alicia

2014-02-28 23:24 GMT-08:00 :

> Estimados compañeros,
>
> Sonia Meza, entrevistadora de parte de Red de Antepasados
> www.redantepasados.com notifica que la semana pasada ella entrevistó a
> Don Manuel Ravina Marti, Director del Archivo General de Indias (AGI), en
> Sevilla, España.
> El AGI es uno de los archivos mas grande del mundo y, con esa parte de
> como 14% de sus mas de 8 millones de documentos que han sido catalogados,
> digitalizados, e indexados, es una fuente principal muy interesante y
> productiva para todos los genealogistas, ya sea aquellos que recien se
> inician, como para los que llevan años en la apasionante tarea de encontrar
> documentos que nos remiten a nuestros ancestros.
>
> Les sugiero ver el video de 21 minutos de esta entrevista que Red de
> Antepasados a publicado. Alli explican claramente los pasos a seguir para
> navegar a traves del Internet la informacion en este archivo: Portal de
> Archivos Españoles (PARES ).
>
> Podéis acceder y beneficiar de esta entrevista en El Canal de Red de
> Antepasadosen Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/redantepasados
>
> Saludos, y buena suerte en vuestras investigaciones.
>
> Efrain Conrique
> San Diego, California

Dowries (Dote Matrimonial)

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In the Aguascalientes archives there are 45 documents describing dowries (dote matrimonial). All but two are for the town of Aguascalientes, one is for Asientos, and one Lagos de Moreno.

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
armando buenos dias
un cordial saludo

si ya encontre el documento tuve algunos problemas
para encontralo , lo encontre con la fecha y ya lo tengoo
te lo agredezco mucho
muchas gracias estoy pendiente amigo
que tengas un excelente dia

saludos
estamos en contacto
bye

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George,

Having personally experienced navigating the SIGUE website for Estado de Aguascalientes - I know the time and amount of work that went into compiling this list of Dowries (Dote Matrimonial)...and I want to say THANK YOU for sharing this index of records with our NR membership. You are a Rock Star!

Gracias.
Claudia

Research Digest, Vol 97, Issue 25

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Han visitado el sitio de pueblosamerica.com.mx acabo de ver el rancho/pueblo de Garabatos, de catorce habitantes situado en el municipio de tepatitlan de Morelos, incluye una viste del lugar por satel

Castañeda question

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Hi all!

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Laura,

I have Hernando's marriage record and his parents' names, which dead ends there; that means little, though, as I haven't researched them further back, since I don't appear to be connected to Hernando's parents. I connect with you through Hernando's wife, Antonia de Covarrubias. I have additional information on her. Send me a message through the group, and I can forward you some details. Just click on my user name.

Rosalinda

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Hi Carmen,
If you find out, please let me know.  I've also asked about these emails and the ones that appear with NuestrosRanchos digest..,vol...,
but never received an answer.
Thanks,
Alice 

________________________________
From: Carmen Munoz
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question

Hi
My name is Carmen Munoz.  I am a member of Nuestro Ranchos.

I'm a bit confused.  Would you be so kind as to explain to me…….. what exactly does research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org do?

Thanks,
Carmen

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Alice and Carmen,

There are 3 lists in which to post your emails or comments, each one has a
specific purpose.

- Announce is when you have an announcement to make such as an event
related to genealogy or other type of announcement.
- Research is when you have a research question or response
- General is for general purposes just a comment in general.

These 3 lists are to help us submit and respond to a specific type of
posting.

Alicia

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hi Carmen,
> If you find out, please let me know. I've also asked about these emails
> and the ones that appear with NuestrosRanchos digest..,vol...,
> but never received an answer.
> Thanks,
> Alice
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carmen Munoz
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:15 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question
>
>
> Hi
> My name is Carmen Munoz. I am a member of Nuestro Ranchos.
>
> I'm a bit confused. Would you be so kind as to explain to me........ what
> exactly does research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org do?
>
> Thanks,
> Carmen

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Hello Alicia,
Thank you so much for your response.  What are emails with the reference to volumes and digest numbers about?
Alice

________________________________
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question

Alice and Carmen,

There are 3 lists in which to post your emails or comments, each one has a
specific purpose.

  - Announce is when you have an announcement to make such as an event
  related to genealogy or other type of announcement.
  - Research is when you have a research question or response
  - General is for general purposes just a comment in general.

These 3 lists are to help us submit and respond to a specific type of
posting.

Alicia

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hi Carmen,
> If you find out, please let me know.  I've also asked about these emails
> and the ones that appear with NuestrosRanchos digest..,vol...,
> but never received an answer.
> Thanks,
> Alice
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Carmen Munoz
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:15 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question
>
>
> Hi
> My name is Carmen Munoz.  I am a member of Nuestro Ranchos.
>
> I'm a bit confused.  Would you be so kind as to explain to me........ what
> exactly does research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org do?
>
> Thanks,
> Carmen

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Alice,

When you join Nuestros Ranchos or at anytime of your choosing, you can set
or change your preferred settings for the mailing lists on Nuestros
Ranchos. Log into Nuestros Ranchos and you'll see the 7 bullets on the
right hand side, select Mailing Lists and you can select how it is that you
want to subscribe to each of the mailing lists.

- Post a forum topic
- Create content
- Latest images
- Mailing Lists
- Recent posts
- My account
- Log out

1. If you're going on vacation or just don't want to receive mail from
Nuestros Ranchos, you would check the No mail (temporarily disable delivery)
2. If you want to receive your email from Nuestros Ranchos in a bundle
every day, rather than receiving it as it streams in on a daily basis, you
would check subscribe for digest.
3. Or you can select, Subscribe for all mail (normal delivery) this is
to get your emails one at a time as they are sent and received at Nuestros
Ranchos. I have mine set at Subscribe for all mail, although there have
been problems with the server and I have not been receiving all messages
for quite some time now, but Joseph and Arturo have been working hard to
correct this and I believe there may be other volunteers that are assisting
with this. I hope this helps you.

No mail (temporarily disable delivery)
Subscribe for digest (receive emails in a bundle)
Subscribe for all mail (normal delivery)

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Alicia,
> Thank you so much for your response. What are emails with the reference
> to volumes and digest numbers about?
> Alice
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question
>
>
> Alice and Carmen,
>
> There are 3 lists in which to post your emails or comments, each one has a
> specific purpose.
>
> - Announce is when you have an announcement to make such as an event
> related to genealogy or other type of announcement.
> - Research is when you have a research question or response
> - General is for general purposes just a comment in general.
>
> These 3 lists are to help us submit and respond to a specific type of
> posting.
>
>
> Alicia
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hi Carmen,
> > If you find out, please let me know. I've also asked about these emails
> > and the ones that appear with NuestrosRanchos digest..,vol...,
> > but never received an answer.
> > Thanks,
> > Alice
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Carmen Munoz
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:15 PM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question
> >
> >
> > Hi
> > My name is Carmen Munoz. I am a member of Nuestro Ranchos.
> >
> > I'm a bit confused. Would you be so kind as to explain to me........
> what
> > exactly does research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org do?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Carmen
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/
> >

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Thanks again, Alicia. 
So, the digest consists of bundles of emails received at a later date. 
 Like you, I also have selected subscribe for all mail, and also miss some.  If we humans were as
fickle and capricious as technology, we wouldn't have jobs.
Alice

________________________________
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question

Alice,

When you join Nuestros Ranchos or at anytime of your choosing, you can set
or change your preferred settings for the mailing lists on Nuestros
Ranchos. Log into Nuestros Ranchos and you'll see the 7 bullets on the
right hand side, select Mailing Lists and you can select how it is that you
want to subscribe to each of the mailing lists.

  - Post a forum topic
  - Create content
  - Latest images
  - Mailing Lists
  - Recent posts
  - My account
  - Log out

  1. If you're going on vacation or just don't want to receive mail from
  Nuestros Ranchos, you would check the No mail (temporarily disable delivery)
  2. If you want to receive your email from Nuestros Ranchos in a bundle
  every day, rather than receiving it as it streams in on a daily basis, you
  would check subscribe for digest.
  3. Or you can select, Subscribe for all mail (normal delivery) this is
  to get your emails one at a time as they are sent and received at Nuestros
  Ranchos. I have mine set at Subscribe for all mail, although there have
  been problems with the server and I have not been receiving all messages
  for quite some time now, but Joseph and Arturo have been working hard to
  correct this and I believe there may be other volunteers that are assisting
  with this. I hope this helps you.

No mail (temporarily disable delivery)
Subscribe for digest (receive emails in a bundle)
Subscribe for all mail (normal delivery)

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Alicia,
> Thank you so much for your response.  What are emails with the reference
> to volumes and digest numbers about?
> Alice
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Alicia Carrillo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question
>
>
> Alice and Carmen,
>
> There are 3 lists in which to post your emails or comments, each one has a
> specific purpose.
>
>    - Announce is when you have an announcement to make such as an event
>    related to genealogy or other type of announcement.
>    - Research is when you have a research question or response
>    - General is for general purposes just a comment in general.
>
> These 3 lists are to help us submit and respond to a specific type of
> posting.
>
>
> Alicia
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hi Carmen,
> > If you find out, please let me know.  I've also asked about these emails
> > and the ones that appear with NuestrosRanchos digest..,vol...,
> > but never received an answer.
> > Thanks,
> > Alice
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Carmen Munoz
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:15 PM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question
> >
> >
> > Hi
> > My name is Carmen Munoz.  I am a member of Nuestro Ranchos.
> >
> > I'm a bit confused.  Would you be so kind as to explain to me........
> what
> > exactly does research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org do?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Carmen
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/
> >

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Hi Carmen, on research list I would ask for specific names or locations I'm researching and would like help on in the hope that someone else in Nuestros Ranchos is working in the same lines or areas. In general I would share stories or ask questions not pertaining to research
Linda in Boulder City, Nv

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:03 PM, Carmen Munoz wrote:

Hi
My name is Carmen Munoz.  I am a member of Nuestro Ranchos.

I'm a bit confused.  Would you be so kind as to explain to me…….. what exactly does research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org do?

Thanks,
Carmen

Los Garabatos in Tepatitlan

Published by Steve G. Apodaca –
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While researching my Salazar family from the Tepatitlan area, I am starting to notice several of them living in a place called Los Garabatos.

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Los Garabatos está cerca de Los Magueyes, La Tuna Agría, y Pegueros, que es el pueblito más grandecito pegado a Tepa rumbo a Jalos.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

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Muchas gracias Steven. Pude encontrar los tres lugares que me mencionas por medio de google earth y pueblosamerica. Sin embargo, la misma pagina me lleva mas hacia el sur cuando busco por Garabatos, hacia una presa. Me imagino que el Los Garabatos que tu mencionas ha de ser un caserio muy pequeño en la actualidad, no mencionado en los mapas. Me interesa mucho saber el lugar exacto de los pueblos y ranchos que voy encontrando en mi investigacion ya que me gusta marcar en el mapa los puntos que pisaron mis ancestros. Puedo ver en el mapa un camino de terraceria que sale de Pegueros rumbo para donde estan Los Magueyes y la Tuna Agria. Al parecer conoces mejor esta area. Mas o menos por donde queda Los Garabatos, si no es mucha molestia la pregunta?

Saludos.

Steve in NC

Published by ElCapitanPaco – Mié, 2014-02-26 00:55 | Enlace permanente

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Yo conozco muy bien a una persona nacida y criada en Tepa, y luego luego le pregunté donde quedaban Los Garabatos, y me dijo que yendo hacia Pegueros, cerca de la Tuna Agria. Yo lo tomé por su palabra ya que conoce muy bien Tepa, Mezcala, Yahualica, Capilla, Pegueros y Valle. Pero luego comencé a dudar e investigué más a fondo.

Si alguna vez hubo un puesto llamado Los Garabatos yendo hacia al norte o sea hacia Pegueros, entonces ya no existe, igual como la Tuna Agria. Ahora nomás quedan ruinas de adobe. Hace poco vi fotos de las ruinas de la Tuna Agria, cuando un pariente fue para alla y tomó fotos. Hay varios puestos que antes existían, pero que ahora ya no, o fueron comprados y se les cambió el nombre. Por eso no se ubican en mapas modernos porque tienen nombres distintos a los que nosotros vemos en los documentos históricos.

Es posible que existieron dos Ranchos del mismo nombre. Considera El Tepozán: hay uno cerca de San Ignacio Cerro Gordo y otro cerca de Acatic; y aún otro en Cuquío. Hay dos Tepetates: uno cerca de Mezcala de los Romero y otro Tepetate entre Tepa y el Cerro Gordo. Hay una Soledad muy conocida que se peleaban las cabeceras de Tepatitlán y Atotonilco [Ganó Atotonilco porque ahora La Soledad queda más allá de San José de Gracia, en el mpo. de Atoto]; y hay otra Soledad hacia al norte del municipio de Tepa, esta sí yendo hacia Pegueros. Están Las Cruces de Arriba y Las Cruces de Abajo; Las Juntas de Arriba y Las Juntas de Abajo; y aveces simplemente Las Cruces o Las Juntas, y para saber si era de Arriba o de Abajo...ahí está carajo; El Terrero (2) y Los Terreros. Hay varios lugares llamados el Ojo de Agua...de alguna cosa u otra...Ojo de Agua de Aceves, Ojo de Agua de Becerras, Ojo de Agua de Hernández, Ojo de Agua de Morán [Atotonilco] y Ojo de Agua de Latillas. Y hay otro lugar llamado nomás Latillas, cerca del Cerro DEL Pandillo hacia al norte, no confundirse con el Cerro EL Pandillo, que queda entre Tepa, el Cerro Gordo y el Cerro del Carnicero.

Y también había dos puestos llamados Los Garabatos. El que estaba al norte era muy pequeño formado por más que unas pocas casas de adobe si quien sabe todavía existen, nisiquiera menos en mapas. Pero el más famoso es el que está hacia el sur, en realidad ahora queda ubicado en el Municipio de Tototlán. Está ubicado en el centro del triangulo formado por El Ojo de Agua de Latillas, El Zopial y La Yerbabuena, tomando la desviación de San Agustín (Los Capulines) hacia la Presa/Laguna.

Por favor abran el enlace siguiente para ver un mapa realmente magnífico:
http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/TEPATITLANMORELOS_C…
Y para ver otros pueblos simplemente cambien la parte en letras mayúsculas TEPATITLANDEMORELOS, a otro pueblo como ARANDAS, ATOTONILCOELALTO, AYOTLAN, ZAPOTLANEJO, JALOSTOTITLAN, SANJUANDELOSLAGOS, etc.

http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/ARANDAS_CARTA.pdf
http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/ATOTONILCO_CARTA.pdf
http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/AYOTLAN_CARTA.pdf
http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/JALOSTOTITLAN_CARTA…
http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/SANJUANDELOSLAGOS_C…
http://sieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/ZAPOTLANEJO_CARTA.p…

Son unos mapas excelentes creados por SIEG (Sistema de información estadística y geográfica de Jalisco)

Yo conozco Los Altos de Jalisco, más las partes del sur como Ocotlán (ya sé que no está en Los Altos), Atotonilco el Alto, Arandas, y he pasado tiempo en Tepatitlán de Morelos, Capilla de Guadalupe y Guadalajara. También conozco San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, La Barca, San Miguel el Alto, Zapotlanejo, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalostotitlán, Jesús María, Ayotlán, Lagos de Moreno, y Poncitlán. No he tenido la suerte de visitar Teocaltiche, Aguascalientes, Nochistlán, ni Mexticacán, pero me gustaría mucho y pronto.

Desde haber iniciado mi genealogía, he procurado conocer la Tierra Colorada de mis antepasados y sentir su tierra y sus piedritas entre mis dedos, caminar por las calles de los pueblos, andar por las terracerías y senderos de los ranchos, respirar los aires de los cerros, y ver los campos infinitos de maíz y de maguey entre los pueblos de Los Altos de Jalisco. No hay nada que se pueda comparar con tocar con tus propias manos las puertas y piedras de la iglesia y subir las escaleritas del kiosko de tu pueblo y dar una vuelta y mirar con tus propios ojos el espectro moderno que lo era el pueblo natal de tus abuelos.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Published by victorianonavarro (no verificado) – Dom, 2014-02-23 23:20 | Enlace permanente

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According to the book listed below, Garabatos and Isla were ranchos that belonged to Tepatitlán.

La Ciudad y el Campo en Tepatitlán, Jalisco
Carmen Icazuriaga Montes
Universidad de Guadalajara, Campus Universitario de Norte, Centro Universitario de Los Altos, 2002 - Tepatitlán (Mexico) - 219 pages

http://books.google.com.mx/books?id=4pGzAAAAIAAJ&q=tepatitlan+garabatos…

Victoriano Navarro

Help with two names.

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I'm transcribing my 6th great grandparents' marriage record. Franco. de Salazar and Maria Leonor Rodriguez were married in Tepatitlan, Jalisco on October 2, 1730. This is the link.

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Thanks, Joseph and Rosa. I really appreciate your help. After looking more closely at the writing on the other documents as you mention, I agree with you. The godparents are Antonio Dias and Lorenza Banegas.

Steve in NC

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look at the previous page at the bottom you'll see the name Diego Perez. To me the "D" in Diego looks very similar to the first letter in the surname in question. So I'd agree with Rosalinda in that it is Dias. Also if you look on that same line and to the first word you find the name "Ramon" in which the "R" looks very different from the name in question.

joseph

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The second name is Lorenza Banegas. I can see how you can read either Rios or Dias for the first one, although I'm inclined to see Dias: the capitalized R's in the other records are shaped differently than your example, and the capitalized D in the previous record most resembles your example. There looks to be a tail on the last vowel of the name, so I would say Dias.

Rosalinda

Help needed on the names of paternal grandparents

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I would appreciate anyone who could tell me the names of the paternal grandparents on the baptism record for Jose Braulio Romulo Luna (last entry on the left-hand page).

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Abbreviations

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Does anyone know if the abbreviations Antto and Antta mean Antonio y Antonia, respectively?

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You are correct!! Good job.

Alicia

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:00 PM, wrote:

> Does anyone know if the abbreviations Antto and Antta mean Antonio y
> Antonia, respectively?

FW: Somos Primos February 2014 Vol. 15, issue 2

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http://somosprimos.com/sp2014/spfeb14/spfeb14.htm

Dear Primos and Friends

Thank you to all who have submitted articles for February.

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busqueda en family search

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Hi!!!Does anyone have info on the Martin del campo Family specially on Domingo Martin del Campo (jalisco)???and on Antonio Amaro,Cesario Amaro,Eduvigis Guerrero, Angel Guerrero,Emeteria Guerrero and G

To Steven Hernández - Regarding DIEGO ROMO DE VIVAR & MARIANA DE VILLALOBOS

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Steven,

According to my records I show Nicolás Romo de Vivar and María de
Villalobos had a son named Pedro. It could be a different couple, but the
dates are close.

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Sorry they are NOT the ones. Nicolás Romo de Vivar (y de los Ángeles) y Mariana de Villalobos (y Carrillo de Sandi) & Nicolás Romo de Vivar (y Tiscareño) y María de Villalobos (y Martín del Campo/López de la Cruz) were two completely different, etirely distinct, granted, with almost exactly similar names and obviously related...but not the ones.

Mine are DIEGO ROMO DE VIVAR y MARIANA DE VILLALOBOS (mis octavos abuelos). Diego Romo de Vivar nació hacia 1688 y Mariana de Villalobos nació hacia 1692, ambos posiblemente en Teocaltiche o Aguascalientes. Se casaron hacia 1709. Vivieron en Jalostotitlán y San Juan de los Lagos.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

My first ancestors outside of Jalisco. Rodriguez Aramburo from Nochistlan.

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Hello to everyone. I've been researching my family tree for years and until now, I had found all of my ancestors within the borders of what is now Jalisco.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Vie, 2014-02-21 17:13 | Enlace permanente

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Hello Steve,

My family is also from Los altos de Jalisco. My first ancestors that I found from out of the state of Jalisco were From Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.

An ancestor of mine Pheliciana Belasquez Aramburo was the daughter of Felipe Velasquez Becerra and Maria Anna Aramburo. They were all born in Tepatitlan
Maria Anna Aramburo is the daughter of Pascual Aramburu and Juana Nuno Gaytan.
Pascual Aramburu was born in Nochistlan, Zacatecas and died in Tepatitlan
Juana Nuno Gaytan was born in Mexticacan Jalisco

Pascual is the son of Diego Aramburo and Maria Anna Geronima Ynaez de Medinilla Alvarado

Diego's great grandmother is Francisca Figueroa y temino de Banuelos and the line goes back for many centuries, too long to post here.

Pascual Aramburo left many descendants in Tepatitlan I did not collect their information but I will go back and gather this information.
There are different Rodriguez lines that I have from Tepatitlan came from Nochistlan Zacatecas. One of them is Rodriguez de Hijar.

I hope this information is of use to you,
R A Ricci

Exclamation Point Next to Name

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Does anyone know what's the meaning of the exclamation point next to a name? For example one of the baptism records reads as follows: "...hijo legitimo de Dn Mig! Gallegos...

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It's probably not an exclamation point, it's most likely an abbreviation
for Miguel. Not seeing the document I can't say for sure, but if you want
to send the link, I bet it's an abbreviation that was commonly used at the
time.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM, wrote:

> Does anyone know what's the meaning of the exclamation point next to a
> name? For example one of the baptism records reads as follows: "...hijo
> legitimo de Dn Mig! Gallegos... -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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It's not an explanation point, it's a "l" superscript "Migl." Is really Miguel. It's shorthand script the priest used.

Daniel

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FW: The Da Vinci Code, DNA, & the Truth

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From: Angel R.

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Subject: The Da Vinci Code, DNA, & the Truth

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a free DNA presentation on the Da Vinci
Code, DNA, & the Truth on February 22, 2014 at 2:00 pm. For more
information, please respond to this e-mail.

Best Regards,
Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:22 AM
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Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a free DNA presentation on the Da Vinci
Code, DNA, & the Truth on February 22, 2014 at 2:00 pm. For more
information, please see the attached flyer.

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Ángel de Cervantes
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Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a free DNA presentation on the Da Vinci
Code, DNA, & the Truth on February 22, 2014 at 2:00 pm. For more
information, please see the attached flyer.

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Haciendas of Mexico

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Hello,

I recently came across a book that lists the Haciendas of Mexico and their owners circa 1883.

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Translation help Castañeda Villegas Marriage Dispensation

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18419-4103-31?cc=1874591&wc=…

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Published by victorianonavarro (no verificado) – Mié, 2014-02-19 20:02 | Enlace permanente

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4th degree of consanguinity

Groom: Xristobal (Cristobal) Manuel de Castañeda, mulato libre, originario y vecino de los ranchos del Monte de esta feligrasía, hijo legítimo de Fernando de Castañeda, mulato libre, y de Antonia de Cobarrubias, mestiza.

Bride: Nicolasa Romero, mestiza, originaria y vecina de la feligresía de Colotlan en el Puesto de Xoanacatic (Juanacatic), hija legítima de Mathias Romero y de Francisca Godina, difuntos, así mismo mestizos.

Juana de Villegas and Felisiana de Villegas were sisters.
From Juana de Villegas was born Maria de Albarado, and from her Antonia de Cobarrubias, mother of the groom.
From Felisiana de Villegas was born Maria de Villegas, and from her Mathias Romero, father of the bride.

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

No Grandparents Included

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For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do not include the name of Grandparents. Does anyone know what's the best way to continue finding the family lineage?

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There are always marriage and death records. Also wills and other type of civil records. According to my knowledge only the Mexico City baptisms include grandparents around 1770. You can also try dispensas for relatives that married.

Good luck in your search.
Daniel Mendez de Torres y Camino

Sent from my iPhone

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Try using the following website put together by a Nuestros Ranchos member:

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
2013, under the blog archive.

Then just filter the page by location or last name.

When you find a couple that may look like it's part of your lineage click
on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front of the
couple (page 1380 in the example below).

Source film: 168087

1380 antonio bacilio avalos & guadalupe gomez / san juan (same as 1364)

I'm not sure if you speak Spanish or not, but these are dispensas or
pardons from the church that allow for the couple to get married by the
church. These documents can be 30 pages long or longer and contain very
valuable information. I've extended my tree by 4 generations in some cases
using dispensas.

Happy hunting,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 PM, wrote:

> For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do not
> include the name of Grandparents. Does anyone know what's the best way to
> continue finding the family lineage?
>
>

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Try using the following website:

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
2013, under the blog archive.

Then just filter the page by location or last name.

When you find something that may look like it's part of your lineage click
on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front

Source film: 168087

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 PM, wrote:

> For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do not
> include the name of Grandparents. Does anyone know what's the best way to
> continue finding the family lineage?
>
>

Comentario

Try using the following website put together by a Nuestros Ranchos member:

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
2013, under the blog archive.

Then just filter the page by location or last name.

When you find a couple that may look like it's part of your lineage click
on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front of the
couple (page 1380 in the example below).

Source film: 168087

1380 antonio bacilio avalos & guadalupe gomez / san juan (same as 1364)

I'm not sure if you speak Spanish or not, but this are dispensas or pardons
from the church that allow for the couple to get married by the church.
These documents can be 30 pages long or longer and contain very valuable
information. I've extended my tree by 4 generations in some cases using
dispensas.

Happy hunting.

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Try using the following website:
>
> http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/
>
> Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
> 2013, under the blog archive.
>
> Then just filter the page by location or last name.
>
> When you find something that may look like it's part of your lineage click
> on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front
>
> Source film: 168087
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 PM, wrote:
>
>> For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do not
>> include the name of Grandparents. Does anyone know what's the best way to
>> continue finding the family lineage?
>>
>>

Hello Again!!

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Not sure if I'm in the right area, but Hello again, all my old NR friends!
I've been away for too long (and I've seen that the membership has grown!)

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Hello Peggy,

You can download your Ancestry.com raw file by going through the following steps - http://dna.ancestry.com/atFAQ#raw-3 then you can upload it to www.gedmatch.com to compare your file with people that have used other companies such as FTDNA and 23andme for their testing.

You can also transfer your Ancestry.com to FamilyTreeDNA at https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspx in order to see if you can find matches with people in that database and to join projects. At FTDNA you can also get an mtDNA test.

Armando

Research Digest, Vol 97, Issue 15

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Angelina, Mr. Cuellar,

Thank you for the information regarding my relatives. I was not aware of familysearch.org but now I doubt anyone will ever be able to get me off of it.

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Hi Paige,
 
I'm still in high school, so it's just Chris. But, let me know if you need any help with your Pedroza's. I have dozens and dozens starting in the 19th century in Aguascalientes and Encarnacion de Diaz, going back a couple hundred years, so, If you get stuck, I might be able to help you.
 
Chris

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From: Paige Herrera
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 97, Issue 15

Angelina, Mr. Cuellar,

Thank you for the information regarding my relatives. I was not aware of familysearch.org but now I doubt anyone will ever be able to get me off of it. I didn't think I'd ever be able to locate my relatives from Sonora ever and I've now gone back three generations. Next I'm going to trace my Pedroza line.

Paige

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Paige,

First of all, welcome to the group.
I did a basic search on familysearch.org and found the marriage information for Onofre Villalobos & Juana Torres .... here is the link  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHLX-F7H

Groom: Onofre Villalobos
Bride: Juana Torres
marriage dated 11 feb 1885
groom?s parents: Zenon Villalobos & Librada Medina
bride?s parents: Narciso Torres & Filomena Hernandez
 
I don?t know if you have any experience using FamilySearch.org ... it is really a very good source of information. I will try to find the original document on-line for the record on the link I?m sending you. 

-Angelina-

New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Welcome to the group Paige.  I recognized the name Zenon Villalobos because I came across it once
before when I was looking for my Villalobos ancestors, so, I did a quick search
and although I don’

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Christoper,
I noticed you only listed Zenon's birth date as Jun 1820, if you look clearly the document will say "nació oi" which means today, the same day he was baptized. Sometimes, you have to look really closely because "oi" is just written incorrectly for "hoy."
Daniel

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Thanks Daniel. Good eye, I completely missed that.
 
Chris

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From: Daniel Alejandro Méndez de Torres y Camino
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

Christoper,
I noticed you only listed Zenon's birth date as Jun 1820, if you look clearly the document will say "nació oi" which means today, the same day he was baptized. Sometimes, you have to look really closely because "oi" is just written incorrectly for "hoy."
Daniel                        

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Chris, a daughter of Pedro Pablo de Villalobos and María Antonia Martín de
Sotomayor y Romo de Vivar married Juan Ramos de Oviedo for which they were
given a dispensa de afinidad de dos parentescos and it has good
genealogical information on your ancestors.

Primer parentesco

[Tronco Isidro de Villalobos]
Isidro Villalobos......1......Ignacio Villalobos
Pedro Villalobos.......2......Ma Manuela Villalobos
Ma Josefa Villalobos...3

Segundo parentesco
[Tronco Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza cc Isabel de Mayorga]
Isabel de Mayorga...................1...Beatriz de Mayorga
[cc Gabriel López.......................Andrés Martín de Sotomayor]
Gabriel López.......................2...Joseph Martínez
[cc Nicolasa Petronila Valenzuela........cc Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar]
Feliciana López.....................3...Ma Antonia Martínez
[cc Ignacio Villalobos...................cc Pedro Pablo Villalobos]
Ma Manuela Villalobos...............4...Ma Josefa Villalobos

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-64424-95?cc=1874591&wc…

Andrés Martin de Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar for
which they received a dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad. I think
Francisca Javiera and not Gabriela was the mother of María Antonia Martín
de Sotomayor. I think the name Gabriela was an error.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-86555-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Andrés was the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor and Beatriz de Mayorga
married 13 June 1666

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30193-28?cc=1502404&…

Francisca Javiera was the daughter of Nicolás Romo de Vivar and Mariana de
Villalobos married 14 Jan 1686 in Teocaltiche

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-64295-99?cc=1874591&wc…

Información Matrimonial 31 Dic 1685

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11541-13478-68?cc=1410092&…

Mariana de Villalobos was the daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos and Teresa
Carrillo de Sandi married 27 April 1664 in Teocaltiche

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-3735-28?cc=1874591&wc=…

The following dispensa proves that Nicolás de Villalobos was the son of
Tomás de Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas

[Tronco Cristóbal de Villalobos..cc..María Pérez de Nava]
Tomás de Villalobos .........1...Francisco de Villalobos
Nicolás de Villalobos........2...Antonia de Villalobos
Nicolás de Villalobos........3...Manuel de Chávez
Miguel de Villalobos........4.....Margarita de Chávez

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-73311-6?cc=1874591&wc=…
That same dispensa also proves that Tomás de Villalobos y Pérez de Nava was
the son of Cristóbal de Villalobos and María Pérez de Nava married 19 Oct
1594

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-910-34?cc=1615259&wc=1…

[margin]
velados xpoval de villa
lovos i ma peres

[body]
En diez y nueve de Octubre de mill y quinientos y nobenta
y quatro años yo El bachiller Joan ugarte aviendose echo
las amonestaciones y de mas diligencias y con
madamiento del provisor y no...de ni
gun ynpedimento despose y di la ben[roto]
nunpciales en esta iglesia a Xpoval [roto]
vz de esta ciudad y natural en la villa de [roto]
en los reynos de castilla hijo de mateo [roto]
vos y de bernardina Lan clares con [roto]
natural desta ciudad hija de Xpoval [roto]
madalena siendo testigos diego muñoz [roto]
...y franco blanco y andres [roto]
From margin in the marriage document we know that the wife's surname is
Pérez and from the body the bride's father's first name is Cristóbal and
the bride's mother's name is torn so it is unreadable but her surname if
Madalena (Magdalena).

There is a marriage record of Cristóbal Pérez and María Magdalena 19 Dic
1577

"En diez y nueve de diziembre de mill quinos y setenta y siete años El
bachiller Diego de Fuentes clerigo presbitero con my licencia desposo
a...Christoval Perez hijo de Hernan de Perez y de Maria Lopez su mujer que
es de Granatula [de Calatrava] jurisdiccion de Almagro ..Castia [Castilla]
y Maria Magdalena hija de Goncalo Magdalena y de Maria Hernandez su mujer
de esta ciudad aviendo...primero hechas en esta iglesia de la beracruz las
diligencias conforme a derecho....Christoval Perez dio información como era
libre de matrimonyo como consta por el mandamiento.......Diego de Fuentes
....hallado presentes Diego de Baeça del....Pedro......Juan Go. Hermosilla
que es de Mexico"

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-1223-17?cc=1615259&wc=…

Armando

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Armando and Christopher,
This Ramos de Oviedo line my line. D. Juan Ramos de Oviedo son of D. Juan Ramos de León and Da. Angela de Leon were from Sorvilán, in the province of Granda, Andalucía, Spain. I descend from his first wife Manuela Ignacia Nepomucena de Villalobos baptized on 14 Nov 1748 in Tabasco (Villa del Refugio). This family would have settled originally in Jalpa, but later when Juan remarried he moved to Aguascalientes. I have several records, including his dispensas that lists him active as a commercialist around Pinos, Aguascalientes, Jalpa, Calvillo, and Tabasco.
Daniel

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Armando and Daniel,
 
Thanks for the information, I almost missed it because I haven't been receiving all the emails. Luckily, I saw it on the thread while I was changing my email preferences. It's extremely valuable information, so, I've copied and pasted from the thread on here in case anyone else missed it like myself.
 
I had a question regarding Andres Martin de Sotomayor, son of Andres Martin de Sotomayor and Beatriz de Mayorga. When I was trying to locate the parents of Antonia Martinez de Sotomayor, I came across the marriage for Andres Martin de Sotomayor that married Juana Cayetana de Villalobos, daughter of Isidro de Villalobos and Angela Diaz de los Ynojos.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-64936-14?cc=1874591&wc…
 
My question is, whether he was married twice, both to Juana Cayetana de Villalobos and Francisca Javiera Romo or is he a sibling of the Martin de Sotomayor that married Francisca Javiera Romo?
 
Chris
 

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)
Submitted by Armando on Mon, 2014-02-17 10:30.
Chris, a daughter of Pedro Pablo de Villalobos and María Antonia Martín de
Sotomayor y Romo de Vivar married Juan Ramos de Oviedo for which they were
given a dispensa de afinidad de dos parentescos and it has good
genealogical information on your ancestors.
 
Primer parentesco
 
[Tronco Isidro de Villalobos]
Isidro Villalobos......1......Ignacio Villalobos
Pedro Villalobos.......2......Ma Manuela Villalobos
Ma Josefa Villalobos...3
 
Segundo parentesco
[Tronco Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza cc Isabel de Mayorga]
Isabel de Mayorga...................1...Beatriz de Mayorga
[cc Gabriel López.......................Andrés Martín de Sotomayor]
Gabriel López.......................2...Joseph Martínez
[cc Nicolasa Petronila Valenzuela........cc Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar]
Feliciana López.....................3...Ma Antonia Martínez
[cc Ignacio Villalobos...................cc Pedro Pablo Villalobos]
Ma Manuela Villalobos...............4...Ma Josefa Villalobos
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-64424-95?cc=1874591&wc…
 
Andrés Martin de Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar for
which they received a dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad. I think
Francisca Javiera and not Gabriela was the mother of María Antonia Martín
de Sotomayor. I think the name Gabriela was an error.
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-86555-8?cc=1874591&wc=…
 
Andrés was the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor and Beatriz de Mayorga
married 13 June 1666
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30193-28?cc=1502404&…
 
Francisca Javiera was the daughter of Nicolás Romo de Vivar and Mariana de
Villalobos married 14 Jan 1686 in Teocaltiche
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-64295-99?cc=1874591&wc…
 
Información Matrimonial 31 Dic 1685
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11541-13478-68?cc=1410092&…
 
Mariana de Villalobos was the daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos and Teresa
Carrillo de Sandi married 27 April 1664 in Teocaltiche
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-3735-28?cc=1874591&wc=…
 
The following dispensa proves that Nicolás de Villalobos was the son of
Tomás de Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas
[Tronco Cristóbal de Villalobos..cc..María Pérez de Nava]
Tomás de Villalobos .........1...Francisco de Villalobos
Nicolás de Villalobos........2...Antonia de Villalobos
Nicolás de Villalobos........3...Manuel de Chávez
Miguel de Villalobos........4.....Margarita de Chávez
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-73311-6?cc=1874591&wc=…

That same dispensa also proves that Tomás de Villalobos y Pérez de Nava was
the son of Cristóbal de Villalobos and María Pérez de Nava married 19 Oct
1594
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-910-34?cc=1615259&wc=1…
 
[margin]
velados xpoval de villa
lovos i ma peres
[body]
En diez y nueve de Octubre de mill y quinientos y nobenta
y quatro años yo El bachiller Joan ugarte aviendose echo
las amonestaciones y de mas diligencias y con
madamiento del provisor y no...de ni
gun ynpedimento despose y di la ben[roto]
nunpciales en esta iglesia a Xpoval [roto]
vz de esta ciudad y natural en la villa de [roto]
en los reynos de castilla hijo de mateo [roto]
vos y de bernardina Lan clares con [roto]
natural desta ciudad hija de Xpoval [roto]
madalena siendo testigos diego muñoz [roto]
...y franco blanco y andres [roto]

From margin in the marriage document we know that the wife's surname is
Pérez and from the body the bride's father's first name is Cristóbal and
the bride's mother's name is torn so it is unreadable but her surname if
Madalena (Magdalena).
 
There is a marriage record of Cristóbal Pérez and María Magdalena 19 Dic
1577
 
"En diez y nueve de diziembre de mill quinos y setenta y siete años El
bachiller Diego de Fuentes clerigo presbitero con my licencia desposo
a...Christoval Perez hijo de Hernan de Perez y de Maria Lopez su mujer que
es de Granatula [de Calatrava] jurisdiccion de Almagro ..Castia [Castilla]
y Maria Magdalena hija de Goncalo Magdalena y de Maria Hernandez su mujer
de esta ciudad aviendo...primero hechas en esta iglesia de la beracruz las
diligencias conforme a derecho....Christoval Perez dio información como era
libre de matrimonyo como consta por el mandamiento.......Diego de Fuentes
....hallado presentes Diego de Baeça del....Pedro......Juan Go. Hermosilla
que es de Mexico"
 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-1223-17?cc=1615259&wc=…
 
Armando

 

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)
Submitted by mendezdetorres on Mon, 2014-02-17 11:45.
Armando and Christopher,
This Ramos de Oviedo line my line. D. Juan Ramos de Oviedo son of D. Juan Ramos de León and Da. Angela de Leon were from Sorvilán, in the province of Granda, Andalucía, Spain. I descend from his first wife Manuela Ignacia Nepomucena de Villalobos baptized on 14 Nov 1748 in Tabasco (Villa del Refugio). This family would have settled originally in Jalpa, but later when Juan remarried he moved to Aguascalientes. I have several records, including his dispensas that lists him active as a commercialist around Pinos, Aguascalientes, Jalpa, Calvillo, and Tabasco.
Daniel                         

Comentario

Chris, I have to apologize. I incorrectly wrote that Andrés Martín de
Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. I meant to write Joseph
Martín de Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. The tree I
provided correctly has Joseph Martínez (Martín de Sotomayor) as the husband
of Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. Also the dispensa shows it is Joseph
Martín de Sotomayor that married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-86555-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Armando

Comentario

Sorry Armando, that was my fault. I read the text before looking at the dispensa. It's a great find.
 
Chris

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From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

Chris, I have to apologize. I incorrectly wrote that Andrés Martín de
Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. I meant to write Joseph
Martín de Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. The tree I
provided correctly has Joseph Martínez (Martín de Sotomayor) as the husband
of Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. Also the dispensa shows it is Joseph
Martín de Sotomayor that married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-86555-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Armando

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