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> Hola a todos,
> Acabo de encontrar una línea de mi familia que yo creia que era del D.F.
> pero resulta que es de Zacatecas, logre conseguir la partida de nacimiento
> de una tia bisabuela desgraciadamente, no se alcanzan a apreciar bien los
> nombres en el microfilm que consulte en el Archivo General de la Nación, asi
> que pensé que igual alguno de ustedes tendria acceso a ese microfilm de
> manera que me pudiera ayudar con la interpretación, ya que contiene los
> nombres de los abuelos de mi bisabuela, o .....igual y alguno de ustedes ya
> tiene algo en esa linea, los datos son los siguientes:
>
> Maria de la Luz Josefa Barrios Rios
> 16 de abril de 1870
> Sagrario de la Catedral de Zacatecas, Zacatecas
> libro 12, pagina 41 vuelta, registro 109
> Desgraciadamente no cuento con el número de film ya que en el AGN se
> manejan diferentes números
>
> Padres:
> Pedro Barrios
> Luz Rios
>
> Abuelos Paternos:
> ????, Barrios
> Ponciana? Mijares??????
> Abuelos Maternos
>
> Manuel y Jesusa Ibarrola??
>
> Si alguien sabe algo, le agradecería muchisisisimo su ayuda ya que en esa
> línea estoy muy bloqueada.
>

> .
>
> Muchas Gracias
>
> Patty Haro
>
> p.s. mil disculpas si repeti el mensaje, pero lo mande anteriormente y no
> me llego
>
>
>
>

Simon RUIZ DE ESPARZA is my 13x great-grandfather. I just uploaded his descendant tree at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2996 . Would someone with knowledge of that line please take a look at it to see if we match data or for possible errors on my part?

Thanks,
Luis

I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.

My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.

I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.
Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.

Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras.

Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.” Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.

No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.

Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.

I just receieved notice that my films have arrived at the Family History Center. In the film section of this site, how does the indexing come up? Is it automatic or do I enter information that I have found? The center I went to said I could download the film if I bring my own memory device. Do I upload it here? Thank you

Bill,
In addition to Mathias Macias Valades, whom I found by accident in a list of confirmations, and the children (Thomas, Josefa and Ursula) that you mentioned in your last message (under the Luiza Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde-forum topic), I also have Juan, my 7X grandfather. Here is his info and of his children and grandchildren:

JUAN MACIAS VALADES. Hijo de Catalina De La Vega y Joseph Macias Valades

1.1. Juan Macias Valades (Joseph Macias1) nació Alrededor de 1665 y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Juana Dominguez el 12 Jun. 1683 en Parroquia de la Asunción, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México1. Juana, es hija de Juan Hernandez (Domingo1) y Ana Dominguez de los Hinojos (Pedro1), nació el 11 Abr. 1665 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México y murió en una fecha desconocida.

Hijos de Juan Macias Valades y Juana Dominguez

1.1.1. Sevastian Macias Valades (Juan Macias2, Joseph Macias1) nació Alrededor de 1687 y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Juana Gonzalez de Hermosillo el 6 Jul. 1710 en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico2. Juana, es hija de Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo (Diego Alonso5, Diego Alonso4, Juan Gonzalez3, Juan2, Diego1) y Juana de Alderete (Francisco1), nació Alrededor de 1689 y murió en una fecha desconocida.

Hijos de Sevastian Macias Valades y Juana Gonzalez de Hermosillo

1.1.1.1. Pedro Nolasco Macias nacio alrededor de 1707 en El Saltrillo, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelo, Jalisco, Mexico y murio en fecha desconocida. Pedro se casó con Maria de Los Remedios (Reyes) de Aranda el 6 Oct. 1738 en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico3. Maria de Los Remedios, es hija de Antonio de Aranda y Antonia Toribia Martin de Soto Maior (Isidro1), nació el 31 Ene. 1711 en Cienega de Mata, Gachupines, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico y murió en una fecha desconocida.

1.1.1.2. Asencio Macias Valades (Sevastian Macias3, Juan Macias2, Joseph Macias1) murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó por 1ra vez con Gertrudis de Aranda. Gertrudis murió el 13 Ago. 1738 en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. El se casó por 2da vez con Antonia Villalobos, es hija de Francisco Villalobos y Francisca Xaviera de Velasco, en 1742.

Tengo algunos ancestros en Cuquío que me gustaría compartir para saber si ustedes tienen información sobre ellos. Yo desciendo del matrimonio de:

1.- Felipe Ortiz con Juana de la Barrera; padres de Francisca Ortiz de la Barrera casada con Juan Velásquez Sánchez en Cuquío el 07 de enero de 1721.

2.- La pareja formada por José Velásquez y Rosa Sánchez, padres del ya mencionado Juan Velásquez Sánchez.

3.- Agustín Plascencia y Andrea de Torres, padres de Cristobal Plascencia Torres, casado el 12 de enero de 1738 en Cuquío con Paula de los Dolores Velásquez Ortiz, hija de los ya mencionados Juan Velásquez y Juana Ortiz.

4.- Juan José Díaz y Mariana Sigala; padres de José María Díaz Sigala, bautizado el 06 de febrero de 1763 en Cuquío.

Algunos de los descendientes de éstas parejas se fueron a vivir a Tepatitlán, Jalisco, donde tuvieron mucha descendencia. Yo soy uno de ellos, pues desciendo de todas las parejas antes mencionadas.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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I was just wondering if anyone out there has these two films....the numbers are.
639969 and 639964.

Hola a todos. Aprovechando la discusión en torno del apellido Romo de Vivar, quiero exponer la inquietud que alguien me planteó acerca de que algunos ascendientes fueron caballeros templarios. En lo personal, desconozco que tan cierto sea esto o no.
 
Sin crear mucha polémica, ¿alguien tiene información sobre ello?
 
De antemano, muchas gracias y saludos.
 
Ricardo Chávez

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Hello My name is Erica I am trying to find any information on the following individuals if anyone has more information I would greatly appreciate it! If not I hope this information helps you. I do have more information on other siblings/children but I am still sorting through it to check it's accuracy this is just a direct line of my lineage.

*Information has been provided by my Father and Grandfather and the LDS church website new.familysearch.org

1. Diego Romo
Birth: about 1560 ?
Marriage: Catalina Perez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo De Vivar
Death: ? after 1589

2. Diego Romo De Vivar
Birth: 12 March 1589 Rielves,,Espana
Marriage: Maria Rangel (peguero)
Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: 19 June 1659 Aguascalientes Mexico

3. Diego Romo De Vivar
Birth: 1630 Mexico city mexico
Marriage: Luisa De Los Reyes Y Angeles
Fathered: 4.Nicolas Romo De Vivar
Death: unknown

4. Capitan Nicolas Romo De Vivar
Birth & Christening: 11 September 1656 in Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, Mexico to Maria Villalobos
Fathered: 5. Jose Andres Romo De Vivar
Death: 8 December 1714

5. Jose Andres Romo De Vivar
Birth: Aguascalientes, Mexico
Christening: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellon, Aguascalientes, Mexico to Maria Margarita Martinez De Sotomayer
Fathered: 6. Jose Rufino Guadalupe Romo De Vivar
Death: unknown

6. Jose Rufino Guadalupe Romo De Vivar
Birth: 1746 Ricon de Ramos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Christening: 11 March 1753 Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: appears to be 2 different marriages 17 January 1781 and 14 February 1816 both in Aguascalientes Mexico Guadalupe Esparsa and Maria Antonia Esparza
Fathered: 7. Francisco Romo De Vivar
Death: unknown

7. Francisco Romo De Vivar
Birth : unkown
Marriage: 7 June 1815 in Pabellon, Ricon De Romos, Aguascalientes, Mexico to Maria Margarita Guadalupe Oropeza Reyes
Fathered: 8. Jesus Romo
Death: unknown

8.Jesus Romo
Birth: not sure
Christening: 17 September 1822 Ricon de Romos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: 9 November 1853 in Aguascalientes to Magdalena (Maria Martas) Olivares
Fathered: 9. Luis Romo
Death: after 1873

9. Luis Romo
Born 25 August 1862 in Ricon De Romos Aguascalientes Mexico
Christened 31 August 1862 in Ricon de Romos Aguascalientes Mexico
Married to Eulogia Sandoval
Fathered: 10. Eligio Romo
Death: unknown

10. Eligio Romo
Birth: 21 December 1891 in Mexico.
Immigrated: To US to escape Poncho Villas draft. He worked for the railroad Marriage: Elvira Moran.
Fathered: 11. Esther Romo
Death: 1975 Placentia Orange Co. California

11.Ester Romo
Birth: 3 October 1923 in San Bernardino California
Marriage: William Eugene Simmons
Death: 11 April 2000 in Ventura California

11. Esther Romo is my grandmother

hola,
Acabo de conseguir la partida de matrimonio de Jose Maria Felix Vergara
Ynojosa con Pilar Rodriguez Brizuela en Ciudad Guzman (Zapotlan) Jalisco,
ahi esta asentado que Pilar Rodriguez Brizuela es de Tecalitlan nacida
aproxidamente en 1856, he visto que muchos de ustedes tienen referencias a
ese lugar, de casualidad alguno sabe algo de Pilar o de sus padres, Jose
Maria Rodriguez y Refugio Brizuela.
Muchas Gracias por su ayuda

Patty Haro

For the last two years I have been working on putting together my mother's family history. It started out with an small idea and has grown into an extensive project. The printing of it became too expensive so I decided to go with a power point presentation format. This has allowed me to include many bells and whistles to the book and make copies for my family members. At first I wasn't sure of what to include so I did a "what to include list" and used that as my guide. Next, what did I have, need and what did I want to include... I wanted an interesting cover page for the book and then continued with a
DEDICATION
TABLE OF CONTENTS
iNTRODUCTION
MEANING AND ORIGIN OF OUR NAME/SPELLING VARIATIONS + MAPS
LINEAGE CHARTS
HISTORY OF WHERE ANCESTORS LIVED INCLUDING
TIMELINES, MAPS, FOTOS, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, LISTS OF ANCESTORS, CHURCHES + FOTOS
ARIAL MAPS, IMPORTANT SITES, CEMETERYHISTORY AND FOTO, ( information can be found on the internet & books)
ANCESTRAL CHARTS
MILITARY SERVICE ( INCLUDE FOTOS, SERVICE BRANCH RANK, YEAR SERVED, MEDALS AWARDED
POEMS
FAMILY WRITINGS / STORIES by you and other family members
PHOTO GALLERY BY FAMILY & LABLED WITH NAMES & DATES
FAMILY GROUP SHEETS
FAMILY DOCUMENTS (BIRTH, DEATH, WW1 REGISTRATION CARDS, BAPTISMAL RECORDS,
IMMIGRATION PAPERS, ETC.
DNA REPORT
ACKNOWLEDGEMTS LIST OF ALL THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED
SOURCES
ABOUT THE AUTHOR/S INCLUDE PHOTO & SHORT BIO

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ALOT ONE CAN INCLUDE WHEN WRITING ABOUT OUR "FAMILIA"
IT'S A PROCESS OF COLLECTING, ORGANIZING AND RESEARCHING, BUT REMEMBER
"iT'S ONLY HEARSAY, UNTIL IT'S IN PRINT" THIS QUOTE HIT HOME WITH ME AND NOW THIS BOOK
IS 35O+ PAGES LONG.

Hello-

I have been reading the posts on these two names, Tello de Lomas and Sandi de Diaz Lines, and wanted to know if anyone has information on my below ancestors. Below is info from book, "San Gabriel Valley Families of Nueva Galicia" which is incredible and I highly reccomend anyone to buy this book if they have note.

I am looking for Marzela Tello de Lomas and her mother, Juana Diaz de Sandi, I would like to find information on Juana Diaz de Sandi's parents.

Marzela Tello de Lomas is the:

daughter of Francisco Tello de Lomas and Juana Diaz de Sandi. She married Joseph Manuel Gonzales de Hermosillo, the son of Luis Gonzales de Hermosillo and Maria Basilia Romo de Vivar on 3 June 1748 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The godparents were Matias Romo de Vivar and Maria de San Juan Moran de Ledesma of Lagos. The witnesses were Salvador Manuel Tello de Lomas and Pablo Diaz de Sandi.

.

Daugther of Marzela is Josefa Marclela Gonazales. She is my ancestors.

JOSSEFA MARCELA GONZALES

Female Family

Spouse: ANTONIO BUENA VENTURA DE CUELLAR Family

Marriage: 24 SEP 1775 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

MARIA MARZELA THELLO DE LOMAS Pedigree

Female Family

Spouse: JOSEPH MANUEL GONZALES DE HERMOCILLO Family

Marriage: 03 JUN 1748 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M602487 1729 - 1753 0639755 Film NONE

Just found this gem:

Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old $97.50.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-738-5959

Does any one know the names of the parents of
Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza who married on December 29, 1655, to Alonso Martin?

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  1. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  2. Re: Orden de fotos (patty haro)
  3. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  4. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  5. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  6. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  7. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or (mendezdelcamino)
  8. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  9. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Stuart Armstrong)
  10. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Miggy GUTIERREZ)
  11. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  12. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  13. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  14. Re: Jos? Joseph (AliceBB)
  15. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  16. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza
    Lizalde
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Miggy,
I am assuming that you are referring to the Luisa married to Juan de Ortiz. If that is correct then:
Juan Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza Lozano and Pedro Macias Valades married Luisa de Esparza Lisalde.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:04:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Jaime, Luisa was the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano from Aguascalientes.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Juan de Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza on Dec. 13, 1666 in Aguascalientes (no parents listed). I've checked all the images of "Informacion Matrimonial" for 1666 in Pilot, but there are several months missing for that year. I was able to identify two potential individuals in Aguascalientes: Luisa Esparza Lozano, b. 6 Feb 1637, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Esparza and Juana Lozano, and Luisa Esparza Lisalde, born 28 Feb 1648 daughter of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez Lisalde. I also know that Pedro Macias Valades married a Luisa de Esparza on July 2 1684 (no parents listed), after the death of his first wife, Francisca de Quiroga. Thus I am trying to figure out which of the two Luisas correspond to the respective marriages. Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

--- stuartarms@gmail.com wrote:

From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:52:59 -0600

In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009

Fellow Historians--

I have always been told that the fall from world power for Spain was in 1588 because of the Spanish Armada. Perhaps there are other opinions and perhaps it depends on which part of the world you got your history lessons from? Comments?

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Sat, 3/21/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:

> From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 10:57 AM
> The Bourb~n reforms were an important time in Spanish
> History, they brought the french political ideas to Spain,
> how to run the govt, many laws passed, which eventually led
> to the downfall of the Spanish empire, the ideas of
> Montesquie, Locke, and many enlightenment thinkers reached
> New Spain, and ignited the revoultion against Spain. There
> are many books dedicated just to this period of time it
> started in the 1770's-ca. 1805 not sure extact on dates
> right now. -Daniel
>
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  Marriage:  05 MAY 1658   El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

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  1. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  2. Re: Orden de fotos (patty haro)
  3. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  4. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  5. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  6. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  7. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or (mendezdelcamino)
  8. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  9. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Stuart Armstrong)
  10. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Miggy GUTIERREZ)
  11. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  12. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  13. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  14. Re: Jos? Joseph (AliceBB)
  15. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  16. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)

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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza
    Lizalde
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Miggy,
I am assuming that you are referring to the Luisa married to Juan de Ortiz. If that is correct then:
Juan Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza Lozano and Pedro Macias Valades married Luisa de Esparza Lisalde.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:04:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Jaime, Luisa was the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano from Aguascalientes.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Juan de Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza on Dec. 13, 1666 in Aguascalientes (no parents listed). I've checked all the images of "Informacion Matrimonial" for 1666 in Pilot, but there are several months missing for that year. I was able to identify two potential individuals in Aguascalientes: Luisa Esparza Lozano, b. 6 Feb 1637, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Esparza and Juana Lozano, and Luisa Esparza Lisalde, born 28 Feb 1648 daughter of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez Lisalde. I also know that Pedro Macias Valades married a Luisa de Esparza on July 2 1684 (no parents listed), after the death of his first wife, Francisca de Quiroga. Thus I am trying to figure out which of the two Luisas correspond to the respective marriages. Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Linda,
I would like to access copies of the Zacatecas records that you have compiled. I' m not sure if this is the correct procedure for communicating such requests. Thank you in advance, Raymond Medrano

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hola,
He estado navegado en el sitio de familysearch y por fin logre encontrar los
datos de la partida de bautismos de mi abuela, pero solo trae el número de
film y de batch, me dice que es del d.f. pero no me da el nombre de la
parroquia y como ustedes se imaginaran en el d.f. hay muchas parroquias,
alguien sabe como puedo conseguir el nombre de la parroquia con los datos
que tengo?
Muchas Gracias

Saludos
Patty

Hi, Daniel:

I checked my family history center for films in the area you asked, Hidalgo
del Parral in the 1600's, but they are all from the 1800's after 1850.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Alguien tiene información de Ana de Lizarrarás, quien fue madre de Desiderio Martín Gallardo.

Ayer buscando información sobre el matrimonio de Desiderio Gallardo y Jerónima de Torres, en Aguascalientes alrededor del año 1680, encontré un contrato de compra venta de una esclava entre Desiderio Martín Gallardo y Juan Altamirano de Castilla. En mencionado contrato se menciona que Desiderio adquirió a la esclava de parte de su madre Ana de Lizarrarás.

Lo que me gustaría saber es si este Desiderio Martín Gallardo es el que casó con Jerónima de Torres, así como saber quien es el esposo de Ana de Lizarrarás. Casi podría asegurar que es el mismo Desiderio, pero no estoy seguro.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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I would appreciate any comments, corrections and / or additions to my following 'dead-ends',
Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO and his wife Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi, and their descendants.

Also, what is the connection, if any, between them and the following couple:
Joseph MARTINES-CALBILLO, b. 1635? - d. Jan 1670, and his wife
Angelina AGUILERA De Sandi, b. Mar 1641, hija de Luiz AGUILERA y Luiza DE SANDI.
Known children: Joseph CALVILLO, b. Oct 1668, and Juana CALBILLO, 1670-1674.
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Back to the first couple:
Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi was Lorenzo RUIS-ESPARSA Gabay's second wife,
and I believe this Lorenzo RE was her second husband.
Lorenzo's first wife was Antonia CASTILLO Aldana,
and Josepha's first husband was Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO.

Marriage: 1 Aug 1677, El Sagrario, Ags. Ags., #299823, M604845
Lorenzo RUIZ de ESPARZA, con Josepha DE SANDI.
Note: a submission has his age as 56 and hers as 36 at the time of this marriage, but
the marriage document itself (I have a copy) does not list ages or other marriages.

John Inclan's Genealogia de Mexico gives this as Lorenzo's second marriage, and her
name as Josefa DE SANDI y AGUILAR.

Lorenzo's RUIS-ESPARSA's death gives spouse's name as Josepha de AGUILERA.
Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO's death gives spouse's name as Josepha DE SANDI.

Known children of Lorenzo & Josepha:
Lorenso ESPARSA De Sandi, b. Dec 1678
Ana ESPARZA Sandi, b. Aug 1682 (submission)

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Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO b. 1635? - d. 17 Apr 1673
and Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi, b. 1641? -aft Jul 1677
were married about 1662. Has anyone located this marriage?

[They were also known as Juan MARTIN Calbillo, Jn. Martin CALBILLO, Juan CALBIYO, Juan MTINES. Calvillo, Josepha AGUILAR De Sandi, Josepha DE SANDI y AGUILAR, Josepha AGUILERA. One grandchild has him as PERES-CALBILLO, but I've not located another.]

Known children, all bap or died in Aguascalientes, Ags.:
Joseph, b. ? - d. 31 Mar 1665
Anttonio, b. 16 Nov 1665 (spouse Mathiana FLORES-CASTRO De Nava)
Luiz, b. 22 Feb 1668, presbitero
Heugenio, b. 18 Dec 1669 - d. 29 Apr 1724
Anttonia, c. 1671 (spouse Nicolas Faustino AGUILERA Dias)
Joseph #2 ? - d. 14 Nov 1675
Juan, b. 2 Feb 1672 - d. 7 Dec 1674
Ygnasio, b. 13 Nov 1673

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Eugenio MARTINES-CALBILLO De Sandi
married Xetrudis RUIS-ESPARSA Albarado,
22 Mar 1692, Ags. Ags. #299823, M604845

Xetrudis was bap 10 Jun 1676, Ags. Ags.,
daughter of Xptobal SALADO, aka Cristobal RUIS-ESPARSA Losano,
and Anttonia ALVARADO Lopes-Elisalde.

[Eugenio & Xetrudis were also known as Heugenio CALBILLO De Sandi, Eugenio CALVILLO, Gertrudis SALADO, Xetrudis ESPARSA, Gertrudis RUIS-ESPARSA]

Known children, all but one bap or died in Ags., Ags.:
Joseph Cayetano CALBILLO, b. 7 Nov 1693
Alexandro MARTINES Salado, b. 9 Jun 1696
Joseph Judas CALBILLO Esparsa, b. 24 Dec 1698
Joseph Manuel CALVILLO Salado, b. Feb 1703, born Nochistlan, Zac.
Luis Lorenso CALVILLO Esparsa, b. 3 May 1707
Phelipe Judas CALVILLO RE, b. 9 Aug 1709 - d. 28 Oct 1782
Fernando CALVILLO RE, b. 29 Jun 1712
Luis Lorenso CALVILLO Esparsa, b. 20 Feb 1715

Phelipe married Teresa MUNOS-HERMOSILLO, aka GONSALES-Hermos. or Tiscareño.
Luis Lorenso #2 married Rosa Francisca DIAS-DE LEON.

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Joseph Manuel CALVILLO Salado
married Maria Eusebia DE LOS REYES Benavides
daughter of Joseph DE LOS REYES y ULLOA Gonsales
and Fernanda Maria BENAVIDES
20 Aug 1736, Ags. Ags. #299826, M604848.

Any help or additional information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Gloria Delgado

Bunas Tardes a todos los compañeros de este foro, desde hace un año estoy
trabajando en construir mi árbol genealogico en algunas ramas he avanzado
hasta cerca del año de 1800, para esto me han ayudado algunos datos del
foro, sin embargo no he avanzado mucho en una de ellas, la de mi bisabuelo

Bernardo Gómez quien vivio en el pueblo de Sauz de los Ibarra perteneciente
al municipio de San Juan de Los Lagos, nacio en este lugar alrededor de
1880

Lo he buscado en FamilySearch sin éxito, en que otra base de datos podria
buscar?, Bernardo Gomez se caso con Felipa Ramirez alrededor del año 1900.

De antemano Gracias por su ayuda

Atte

Mario Gonzalez Gomez

Yeah, I did the same thing. I first uploaded my Gonzalez file separate from
my other file. I just uploaded it again through my original genealogy
file. You go to your genealogy file where your other family trees are and
click on Edit. Then you go through that process again of uploading a file
and it will be added to your genealogy file. Then you just delete the other
one. Of course, if someone has an easier way, I'd like to know, too!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hello everyone,

I'm a new member to this group, and I wanted to let you know I have uploaded my GEDCOM which includes over 6,000 names. A lot of this tree is from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and Jalisco.

Sincerely,
Norberto Menchaca Morales III