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Pedro's daughter Luisa Esparza was known as Ma. Luisa Ángeles but she used de los Reyes as her surname mostly. The other Luisa, Jacinto's daughter appears as Juana Luisa Ruiz de Esparza on her daughter Margarita de Macías y Valadés' baptism. Not sure where she gets Juana? Possibly her mother, kinda hard since both sets of Luisas have Juanas as her mother. Juana López de Elizalde and Juana Ruiz de Lozano. Just thouhgt this might help with something. -Daniel

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I just wonder which Luisa married to Pedro Macías Valadés. Maybe it was a second husband. I dont think Luisa who married Pedro Romo, daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza married a second time. Its possible this Pedro Macias who married a Luisa was the same Luisa the daughter of Jacinto. But there is no documentation so its hard to tell, We DO know it has to be these Luisas. -Daniel

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Jaime, Luisa was the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano from Aguascalientes.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Juan de Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza on Dec. 13, 1666 in Aguascalientes (no parents listed). I've checked all the images of "Informacion Matrimonial" for 1666 in Pilot, but there are several months missing for that year. I was able to identify two potential individuals in Aguascalientes: Luisa Esparza Lozano, b. 6 Feb 1637, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Esparza and Juana Lozano, and Luisa Esparza Lisalde, born 28 Feb 1648 daughter of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez Lisalde. I also know that Pedro Macias Valades married a Luisa de Esparza on July 2 1684 (no parents listed), after the death of his first wife, Francisca de Quiroga. Thus I am trying to figure out which of the two Luisas correspond to the respective marriages. Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Hola Leticia,
Cual es el nombre completo de este General Limon?
-Esperanza
>
> Hola a Todos, estoy buscando 2 cosas, una a los parientes de un General
> de la Revolución Apellidado Limón, de Guadalajara Jalisco parece que
> vivían en la colonia Ladrón de Guevara en Guadalajara, específicamentea
> su hija Eulalia ( tía Yaya) casada con un Sr. Coronado ( realmente lo
> busco a él y a su familia), éste es hijo de mi bisabuelo perdido Everardo
> Coronado, dueño de una hacienda Santa María en Ameca Jalisco..salío a
> pagar unas rayas cerca de 1915-1917 y solo regresó su caballo, lo
> encontraron colgado por ahí..
>
> o si alguien tiene alos descendientes de Vasquez de Coronado en
> jalisco..alguna pista?
>
>
>
> la segunda, alguíen sabe quienes eran los dueños originales o de hace 20 o
> 30 años de las Zapaterías 3 Hermanos? el hermano de Josefa Rada mi
> bisabuela perdida hija de Cristóbal Rada y Juliana Gonzalez en guadalajara
> cerca de 1850,( por cierto ya no fué soltera y se reivindicó) que gracias
> a Paty Haro apareció ;fundó esta compañía con su esposa pero no se ni su
> nombre ni quienes eran sus descendientes..aparentemente podrían venir de
> guanajuato,agradezco cualquier ayuda sobre los Coronado y los Rada
> Gonzalez -Gomez saludos
> Leticia Reynoso
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Leticia, desde hace 40 años yo he sabbido que los dueños de las zapaterías tres hermanos son : los padilla, que son de San Juan De Los Lagos Jalisco, y no son tres hermanos, son ocho o fueron porque han muerto algunos, ellos viven en Leon Guanajuato.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El mié 18-feb-09, leticia reynoso escribió:

De:: leticia reynoso
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Coronado-Limón y zapaterias 3 Hermanos
A: "genealogy groups" , "s s"
Fecha: miércoles, 18 febrero, 2009, 9:04 am

Hola a Todos, estoy buscando 2 cosas, una a los parientes de un General de la
Revolución Apellidado Limón, de Guadalajara Jalisco parece que vivían en la
colonia Ladrón de Guevara en Guadalajara, específicamentea su hija Eulalia (
tía Yaya) casada con un Sr. Coronado ( realmente lo busco a él y a su
familia), éste es hijo de mi bisabuelo perdido Everardo Coronado, dueño de una
hacienda Santa María en Ameca Jalisco..salío a pagar unas rayas cerca de
1915-1917 y solo regresó su caballo, lo encontraron colgado por ahí..

o si alguien tiene alos descendientes de Vasquez de Coronado en jalisco..alguna
pista?

la segunda, alguíen sabe quienes eran los dueños originales o de hace 20 o 30
años de las Zapaterías 3 Hermanos? el hermano de Josefa Rada mi bisabuela
perdida hija de Cristóbal Rada y Juliana Gonzalez en guadalajara cerca de
1850,( por cierto ya no fué soltera y se reivindicó) que gracias a Paty Haro
apareció ;fundó esta compañía con su esposa pero no se ni su nombre ni
quienes eran sus descendientes..aparentemente podrían venir de
guanajuato,agradezco cualquier ayuda sobre los Coronado y los Rada Gonzalez
-Gomez saludos Leticia
Reynoso

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Yes, Eduardo, we often receive more than we give. I am so grateful to those on Nuestros Ranchos and Ancestry and Rootsweb for all their help and sharing. I cannot understand those who won't share their family trees. Thankfully they are few. Their excuse is sometimes that they want to copyright their info for a book, but years go by, they don't complete their work, keep it hidden and when something happens to them, all that work is often left to relatives that could care less about genealogy, and all their documentation, etc gets tossed away.

A case in point is the work of Jaime Holcombe. He died in the middle of a book he was working on, and when I contacted his son in Mexico City, he told me that he would complete the book his father had in progress, but that the bulk of his father's work was moldering in a storage room in his mother's house. He admitted to me that he and his siblings did not share their father's interest in genealogy. I think Jaime Holbrooke did share some of his information with those who were interested and they in turn shared it, but the bulk of it is lost to the worms. Jaime's son, also Jaime, is very busy in his career, and he has not gotten back in touch with me or anyone else as far as I know. What a loss.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Eduardo H Seoane
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing

I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.

My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.

I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.
Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.

Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras.

Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.” Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.

No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.

Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.

Ah That would be Mole or pipian.. : )
 
Robert

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 8:08 AM

Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have world peace.

. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org If you all want a good example of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!

Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,

joseph

ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy that I have failed to upload.

pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?

======================

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NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.   Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco,  “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras. Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto  bumerang.” Ella dice,  “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante  cómo eso funciona,  a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo
que ellos dieron. No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste  asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think
deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that
boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing
the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we
stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have
world peace.

. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do
look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and
seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you
need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me
directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org If you all want a good example
of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich
Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!

Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,

joseph

ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy
that I have failed to upload.

pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she
said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin
seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people
> that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he
> responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him
> anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot
> of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that
> they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos
> también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's,
> “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what
> you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out
> there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you
> share the information that someone needs that extends your line back
> another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the
> giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business
> of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a
> lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting
> them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will
> continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a
> few things I have picked up along the way. Some of you might or
> might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de
> personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su
> genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar
> porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho
> dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que
> no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos
> también” eran sus palabras.
> Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.”
> Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo
> entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para
> todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un
> poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien
> necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez
> generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da
> recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.
> No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el
> negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno
> llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste
> asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este
> grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y
> compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que
> siéntanse libres en comentar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

The actual films are not stored on the NR site. The film section is more
of a preparation for viewing your films. You can go to our film section
that Arturo has built and find out who might own that film at their
particular FHC, or you can click on it to see if there are Batch Records
available for online viewing. If there are batch records that will give
you brief information about what the individual records contain but
should never be used without confirming by looking at the film itself.
Afterall the transcriber might not be a native spanish speaker or might
have just made a mistake. A very small percent of what is available on
film is actually transcribed and available as batch records.

Having said all of that if you have particular records that you feel
would benefit the group I'd encourage you to go to the albums area and
under the folder that is called something like Member Scans make up a
folder for yourself and into that folder you can enter some of your
scans. I think it would be against LDS policy for you to copy a whole
films and then upload it to the website but I think select records would
not be out of order.

joseph

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http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Sherri Mora wrote:
>
> I just receieved notice that my films have arrived at the Family
> History Center. In the film section of this site, how does the
> indexing come up? Is it automatic or do I enter information that I
> have found? The center I went to said I could download the film if I
> bring my own memory device. Do I upload it here? Thank you

Jaime,

Thanks for the information on Juan MACIAS VALADES and his descendants. Please confirm that Pedro Nolasco MACIAS VALADES and his brother Asencio married two sisters, María de los Remedios and Gertrudis Brígida ARANDA SOTOMAYOR. I found Gertrudis baptismal record dated 2 May 1716 at Ciénega de Mata.

Bill Figueroa

Bill

I would like to thank you for this information also, my wife descends from
this family.

George Fulton

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Hello Erica,

I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line. Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:

1. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: abt. 1562
Marriage: Catalina Pérez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1589

2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: 1589
Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
Marriage: Maria Rangel de Viezma y Rosales, aka María Rangel Peguero
Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death Diego Romo: after 1658
Death María Rangel: 19 June 1659 in Aguascalientes México

3. Capitán Pedro Romo de Vivar
Birth: About 1634 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 05 May 1658 Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)
at Hda. de San Bartolomé, Aguascalientes, México
Fathered: 4. Nicolas Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1692
Death Lorenza de Tiscareño: 14 Feb 1692 Aguascalientes, México

4. Capitán Nicolás Romo De Vivar
Birth: about 1664 in Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, México to Maria de
Villalobos
Fathered: 5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
Death: 8 December 1713
Death María de Villalobos: 26 Feb 1720 Aguascalientes, México

5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
Birth: 16 Apr 1709 Aguascalientes, México
Baptism: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellón, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes, México
to María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor
Fathered: 6. José Rufino Guadalupe Romo de Vivar
Death: before 1781

I don't have a lot of information about later generations, so for now I'll
stop with José Rufino Romo de Vivar. Notice that Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar,
who married Lorenza de Tiscareño, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and
María Rangel. Capt. Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo
de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño. He married María de Villalobos. And so
on.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Figueroa

That sounds great, congratulations!
And tell me, this is about Perez or Medina, because my mother´s mother name
was Medina.

Where can we see your work?

Regards.
Patty

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, yolandamedinaperez <
windrocklili@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> For the last two years I have been working on putting together my mother's
> family history. It started out with an small idea and has grown into an
> extensive project. The printing of it became too expensive so I decided to
> go with a power point presentation format. This has allowed me to include
> many bells and whistles to the book and make copies for my family members.
> At first I wasn't sure of what to include so I did a "what to include list"
> and used that as my guide. Next, what did I have, need and what did I want
> to include... I wanted an interesting cover page for the book and then
> continued with a
> DEDICATION
> TABLE OF CONTENTS
> iNTRODUCTION
> MEANING AND ORIGIN OF OUR NAME/SPELLING VARIATIONS + MAPS
> LINEAGE CHARTS HISTORY OF WHERE ANCESTORS LIVED INCLUDING
> TIMELINES, MAPS, FOTOS, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, LISTS OF ANCESTORS,
> CHURCHES + FOTOS
> ARIAL MAPS, IMPORTANT SITES, CEMETERYHISTORY AND FOTO, ( information
> can be found on the internet & books) ANCESTRAL CHARTS
> MILITARY SERVICE ( INCLUDE FOTOS, SERVICE BRANCH RANK, YEAR SERVED,
> MEDALS AWARDED
> POEMS FAMILY WRITINGS / STORIES by you and other family members
> PHOTO GALLERY BY FAMILY & LABLED WITH NAMES & DATES
> FAMILY GROUP SHEETS
> FAMILY DOCUMENTS (BIRTH, DEATH, WW1 REGISTRATION CARDS, BAPTISMAL
> RECORDS,
> IMMIGRATION PAPERS, ETC.
> DNA REPORT
> ACKNOWLEDGEMTS LIST OF ALL THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED
> SOURCES
> ABOUT THE AUTHOR/S INCLUDE PHOTO & SHORT BIO
>
> AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ALOT ONE CAN INCLUDE WHEN WRITING ABOUT OUR
> "FAMILIA"
> IT'S A PROCESS OF COLLECTING, ORGANIZING AND RESEARCHING, BUT REMEMBER
> "iT'S ONLY HEARSAY, UNTIL IT'S IN PRINT" THIS QUOTE HIT HOME WITH ME AND
> NOW THIS BOOK IS 35O+ PAGES LONG.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Carlos, I would like a copy of the Garibi book if available. Thanks, Raymond Medrano

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2009, at 9:16 PM, eaherold@att.net wrote:

How do you get a copy of the book?
--
Esther A. Herold

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Just found this gem:
Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old
$97.50.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-738-5959

How do you get a copy of the book?
--
Esther A. Herold

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> Just found this gem:
> Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old
> $97.50.
>
> Carlos Yturralde
> Hispanic Heritage Project
> 760-738-5959
>
>

I would like a copy please.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:00:43 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogical Gem

Just found this gem:

Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad.  This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno.  Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover.  Old $97.50.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage  Project
760-738-5959

John,

The parents of Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza were Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano. Mathiana was baptized in Aguascalientes 18 March 1647. Her godparents were Nicolás de Chavarría and Mathiana's aunt Juana de Ortega.

Mathiana married Alonso Martín Matheos 29 Dec 1666. You had 1655 in your request for info. but I'm sure we're talking about the same person. Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza and Alonso Martín had at least eight children:

Joseph b. 1668
Juan b. 1671
Nicolás b. 1672
Nicolás II b. 1676
Juan II b. 1678
María b. 1681
Ana b. 1684
Jacinto b. 1687

Bill Figueroa

I find that many priests, even in El Paso, TX in the late 1800s and early 1900s, still insisted on using the Latin for given names, making it very hard for me to figure out what the name was in Spanish that we would know our relatives by. They would use Eulaliam, Liberata, Eduardum, Miriam Carmeli, Abelinum, Elizabethum, Vincentio, Delphinum, Petrum, as well as Josephe and George.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

--- stuartarms@gmail.com wrote:

From: Stuart Armstrong >
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:52:59 -0600

In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

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Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Hello AliceBB,

Saturday, March 21, 2009, 1:05:31 PM, you wrote:

> Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book
> states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it
> only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone
> who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

These were the actual films of the original registers. I thought at
first it was the transcriptions I was using, because that transcriber
did take many liberties of just that sort. But then pilot.familysearch
images came on-line and I looked at the original handwriting, and
there was no doubt at all that the original entries had those
spellings. In fact, the spellings are fairly consistent for several
decades of records. Now, I understand that it was just one of the many
"normal" ways of spelling things at that time. I do wonder though, how
"Joseph" was pronounced in 1770 México.

If you want to see these for yourself, try pilot.familysearch.org
Mexico Aguascalientes Catholic Church Records,
Rincón de Romos, San José de Gracia, Matrimonios, 1783-1812

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Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Hi Patricia, Spain was declining in the late 1700's and fell during the the early 1800's. The Independence of Mexico and the Conquest of Spain by Napoleon Bonaparte really cuased the last of the Spaniards. For one, Mexico was regarded as the main colony of wealth for Spain and when you have your country conquered (Spain) by the French the royal family fled to New Spain. Plus the Borbon reforms all these things caused Spain to fall. Yes the 1588 loss of the Spanish Armada did impact Europe. It changed how they saw the Spanish, their pride and image was destroyed but not their power. Ive only take a semester of spanish Iberian Studies. Ha Ha, i guess it is good to learn about all sorts of things. -Daniel

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In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Cree instrucciones para que uno pueda ver que información esta relacionado con un numero de película. Necesitas ir a: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17636
Y ver las fotos que puse ahí. Empieza con el paso # 1 al 7 y despues el paso final. Ese enlace te va a llevar a los albums de Nuestros Ranchos y al folder llamado, FamilySearch Fotos.

Patty,
En la pagina con los datos que encontraste, escoje el numero de film, ese
numero debe llevarte a la pagina con los detalles de la parroquia.

Te deseo suerte,
-Angelina-

The dates for the information are above. The link is: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
good luck!