Nuestros Ranchos Site

My children and I lived in Tijuana for two years so my six children
(ages 1 to 12 when we arrived) could learn Spanish and be immersed in the
culture of their father's side of the family. (My husband came to visit us
two weekends every month; at the time he was a homicide investigator with
our local sheriff's department, and there's no such thing as a two-year
sabbatical -- even if we could have afforded it.)

I read the bulletin posted earlier about the dangers of traveling in
certain parts of Mexico, and Tijuana was listed as a place with a high rate
of crime. We lived near the bullring in Fraccionamiento Escondida; it was
the most wonderful experience of our lives, and the only crime we
experienced was that a sweatshirt hanging on the line to dry disappeared.
Meanwhile, the bicycles we had left in America for safekeeping were stolen.

I always bought bottled water to drink-- still do, as a matter of
fact, but we brushed our teeth from the tap. None of us was ever sick
during our stay -- except for the two littlest ones, who got chicken pox
near the end of our stay.

My mother-in-law worried the entire time that something horrible
would happen, however. Luckily, we ignored her warnings. I say ignore your
relatives, and take a chance. It will be an adventure you'll never forget.

~Deena Ortiz~

I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.

However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.

this appeared in the latest Somos Primos newsletter:

*Nuestros Ranchos: Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes
*

Are you researching your ancestors that at sometime lived in or were
from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes? If you are a
"/Serious/" researcher the http://nuestrosranchos.org group might be
an environment helpful to you. We are a group of about 150 individuals
researching this area and would welcome you if you are willing to abide
by the two simple requirements for membership:

1) State that you are willing to do your own work. There are many groups
on the internet for the "/Casual/" genealogist, but Nuestros Ranchos
is not such a group. By "/Casual/" I mean those that do very little or
nothing to advance their genealogy and are only looking for others to do
the work and then claim it as their own. The "/Casual/" genealogist is
not welcome in the http://nuestrosranchos.org group.

2) Demonstrate your willingness to do your own work by sending in a
small "/representative/" branch of your genealogy tree that shows your
connection to our area of research. [Note: no we are not wanting you to
send it every document you ever discovered or your gedcom or your years
and years of research findings, just a "/representative/" tree. The
group is open to all levels of researchers so if you are just beginning
and really have nothing to submit then we'll accept a short account from
your family's "/Oral History/" that gives you the understanding that
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes are the states of your genealogy
research].

If you need time to think about membership I would encourage you to go
to the http://nuestrosranchos.org site and read through the extensive
"/Public/" archives. [Note: Submitted genealogies are considered the
copyright protected property of the submitter and are kept in a
"/private to group members only/" area of the group].

any questions or comments? Ask one of the moderators: Arturo Ramos,
Rosalinda Ruiz, Joseph Puentes at Moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

Submitted by MariaCortez on 10 November, 2006 to Nuestros Ranchos
Posted on: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/

"The Library of Congress has a lot of documents, books and manuscripts
on their website. One manuscript of particular interest to this group is
the title in my subject line, written by Mexican lawyer, Matias de la
Mota Padilla in 1742. It is hand-written, but very legible. It contains
a lot of names of people and places dating from the Conquest to 1742 in
Nueva Galicia. The link to the Library of Congress is already in the
links section. You can find the book by clicking on "Collections" and
then browsing through the list of Selections from the National Library
of Spain."

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Somos Primos December 2006 Table of Contents+URL 4lq
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:19:04 -0500 (EST)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

Click here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity
Issues
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2006/spdec06/spdec06.htm

Dear Primos and near Primos. . . .

I would like to dedicate this issue to */Johanna De Soto/*, with the
greatest gratitude for her faithful support, tireless in seeking out
fascinating websites and tidbits of information. She will be missed,
but family lifetime changes have prompted the decision, which I received
sadly. We wish her great joy in her retirement.

This issue completes the 7th year of Somos Primos online, and the 84th
monthly issue fully available on the web. Thank you for your wonderful
letters. They are greatly appreciated. Please feel welcomed to share
in 2007 your family research or articles of interest that you come across.

Wishing you all the warmest wishes for a wonderful Merry Christmas with
the blessings of health and family.

Sincerely, Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS, DECEMBER 2006

*United States** *
_National issues_
The Reason for the Season, Christmas 2006
Little Known Letter from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to Dr. Hector P. Garcia
Action item: National Museum for the Latino Community
Santa Ana is now nation's largest city with an all-Latino city council
Four Myths About Undocumented Immigrants Dispelled in New University Study
Marriage Is Alive And Well Among Foreign Born* *
Text Messaging Registers Young Latinos
National Museum for the Latino Community < <
Latinos in Congress, 2000 to 2006
_Education_
Family Fact of the Week: Education Pays
Latina PhDs being sought to participate in study:
Chicano Studies Implications: Brown University Slavery & Justice Report
Bringing the Reality of History to the Community
Thomson Gale: Excellent free resources for teachers.
Latino Education: Improving Literacy by Manuel Hernandez
_Culture _
Grandmother/Granddaughter Book Project
Today's Nun Has A Veil--And A Blog
Native Saint: The Amazing Journey of Juan Diego Musical
Film "Guadalupe" to Open in U.S.
Poesía en español - Spanish poetry
Nuestra Family Unida Significiant Women Podcast Project*
*Lowriding Impala in Japan
_Business_ .
Spendor. . new magazine
Family History Employment

*Anti-Spanish Legends *
En México gusta la historia, pero los maestros no saben enseñarla
*
**Military & Law Enforcement Heroes
*Pearl Harbor, December 7th
The 65th Infantry Regiment
Veteran's Day - from a veteran
United States Marshal David Gonzales
Agent Richard F. Morello
Fred Blanco, re-enactor of Cesar Chavez at Fort Irwin, California
One man fights for two countries
The Marine

*Cuentos*
Chapter III The South Side of San Antonio By Sylvia Villarreal
Bisnar / /
Notes from Above Ground, from an Original Chicano by Frank Sifuentes
Big Gobble, No Trouble by Ben Romero

*Literature*
New series, select works of Vicente Riva Palacio, translated by Ted Knight

*Surname*
Fray Gonzalo Hermosillo y Rodriguez
Highly recommended for heraldry research
Julian Nava - The Journey of His Name

*Spanish Sons of American Revolution*
Hispanic in History, American Revolution Re-enactors
The Descendents of Don Antonio de Galvez-y-Carvajal
Lorezno and the Turncoat wins 2006 Arizona Authors Literary Award
Buenos Aires Patriots of the American Revolutionary War, Part 2
*Action Item: *The Lost U.S. Presidents
*Action item:* Honorary Citizenship for Bernardo de Galvez

*Orange County, CA*
December 1 & 2: Navidad in Early California
December 10, Christmas Open House
Theatre For Social Justice Workshop

*Los Angeles, CA *
Dec. 9th: Memorial Ceremony in Honor of Guy Gabaldon
Proclamation in El Paso honored Guy Gabladon
Dec 7 & 8: * *"La Virgen de Guadalupe - Dios Inantzin"

*California*
Heritage Discovery Center
Peña Andaluza, Promoting our Culture in California
San Jose Alcaldes Unveiling
Dec 2: Nara 101: Family History Data at the National Archives in San Bruno
Angel Island Immigration Station Receives Partners in Preservation Grant
The Invisible Mexicans of Deer Canyon
Sparking an interest in the Past, Ventura County
A Guide to the Juan Bautista de Anza National Historic Trail
Pre1850 Genealogical Research for Alta California
Trip Planned to Basque Country of Spain
Palos Verdes Historic house closer to demolition
The Portuguese of Yuba County

*Southwestern United States*
Naturalization of Mexican Americas by John P. Schmal
Complexities of Gay Marriages on Genealogy
Chilling Encounter in El Paso
Concha Ortiz y Pino de Kleven
Letter to the Editor, The Alburquerque Journal

*Black *
Rep. Lantos introduces bill to preserve post-Civil War Reconstruction
records
The Forks of the Roads
Birthed in a Conundrum: Nathaniel Turner

*Indigenous*
Suquamish Tribe Center and Activities
The Potato Chip
S: Muestra documental "La Palabra Verdadera en maya"
Glass Bridge Construction of the Skywalk

*Sephardic *
Film: The Last Jews of Baghdad - End of an Exile, Beginning of a Journey
S: Judios y Arabes ocultaban sus apellidos
S: Juan Mendez of the Canary Islands
Remnants of Crypto-Jews Among Hispanic Americans, Appendix Part III

My name is Lucy Jennings Sweeney. I have just uploaded the Gedcom for my
maternal line, which is entirely in Jalisco. Thank you, Arturo. Here are
the areas of Jalisco, the family lines, and the ranchos I have found in
my research.

In the Jalostotitlán area - Lozano and Muños lines:
- Eleno Lozano was born on Rancho Rincon de Chavez (San Miguel).
- Salomé Muños was born on Rancho La Estanzuela.
- The Lozano/ Muños children were born on Ranchos El Peñon, La Laguna,
and El Potrero Blanco.

In the Mascota area - Ramírez/ Aréchiga line:
- They lived on Hacienda de Aguacatepec, Hacienda Los Volcanes, and in
Atenguillo.

In the Tecolotlán area – Medina line

In the Puerto Vallarta area – Ramírez/ Medina and Mantecón lines:
- Rancho El Coapinole
All lines converge in Puerto Vallarta in the early 1900’s.

I am excited about working with a group that has so much knowledge about
genealogy in this part of México. You are willing to share tips and
sources with beginners like me.

George Farias at Borderlands books is now distributing Esteban Valdes' books. For any of you who have roots in Totatiche or have Valdes or Jara from southern Zacatecas in your lineages, the books are invaluable. His books include:

HISTORIA DE LA PARROQUIA DE TOTATICHE, 250 Aniversario
HISTORIA DE TOTATICHE
HISTORIA DE TOTATICHE, TOMO II
LOS JARA DE TOTATICHE (in collaboration with L.C. Maurilio Valdés y Jara)
LOS VALDES DE TOTATICHE, Edicion 2000

You can find all of the books by gong to the following website and typing "Totatiche" in the search field:

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com

Joseph Puentes wrote: Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:07:32 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
To: agustin mota
Subject: Re: my family tree

Agustin resend this message to the groups not the Moderator address. Anything to do with genealogy of our area should be sent to:

research@nuestrosranchos.org

thanks,

joseph

if it is an announcement not related to our research area send the message to: announce@nuestrosranchos.org

or if it is a general message about genealogy but not about our area then to: general@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

agustin mota wrote: Hello my name is Agustin Mota I am a new member.I am just starting my search At the same time learning to use the computer.Hear is what iknow at this time.My father was born in La Capilla Jalisco his name was Juan Antonio Mota Alvares. My grandfatherwas born in Los aguajes Jalisco.His name was Vicente Mota Raigosa. Mygreat grandfather his name was Agustin Mota Hererra. On my mothers side, My grandfathers name wasAscencion Luna he was born in Los Lunas Zacatecas. My grandmothers name was Clemencia Zuniga she was born in Jeres Zacatecas. I was told that my last name Mota was origionaly ( DE LA MOTTA) AS you can see i am just getting started . I have aquierd a book which i found in Zacatecas Zacatecas on local history of Momax titeld ( Momax Y La Partida D Tlaltenango)That is al thank you Agustin Mota born in Tlaltenago in 1956

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

I've done it again.. always misplacing things!

Joseph or Arturo, I submitted my Mendez family genealogy file but now I can't find it in my file.. can you locate it for me since I must have put it somewhere it doesn't belong?

Thank you, Linda in Everett

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Date: 27-nov-2006 16:18
Subject: [Genealogia.org.mx] 7800 Re: 7391 Navarro Gaytán. Para José de
Loza.
To: Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com

Hola a todos:

He iniciado correspondencia electronica con El Dr. en Derecho Don
Mariano Gonzalez Leal de la Cd. de Leon, Gto., autor del libro
"Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia", cuya segunda edicion
considerablemente aumentada, ya que en tentantiva seran 10 tomos
o mas, y que segun la informacion de Don Mariano esta preparando
y espera imprimirla a fines del 2007 o inicios del 2008, le comente
sobre las inquietudes de los Navarro Gaytan y esto fue lo que me
contesto al respecto,y lo comparto con ustedes:

-----------------------------------

No se han localizado las dispensas Navarro - de la Torre en el Archivo del
Episcopado. Deben estar en la parte de las cajas que tenìa aparte el Padre
Eucario y que todavía no son abiertas.
La documentación relativa al matrimonio Navarro - Orozco está en el Archivo
del Provisorato Michoacano, en la Casa de Morelos de Morelia. No la tengo.
Le puedo decir, sin embago, por otras fuentes, que don Luis fue el segundo
hijo del matrimonio; que nació en 1663; y que su matrimonio con doña Isabel
de Orozco y Villarroel ocurrió en 1683.
Esta doña Isabel nació en Zamora en 1671; fue hija de Juan Maciel-Blancarte
y Orozco del Castillo, originario de Tangancícuaro, y de doña Ana de Piña,
nacida en Tangancícuaro en 1628. Abuelos paternos: Álvaro Maciel y doña
Isabel Orozco del Castillo; maternos, Melchor de Valencia y Piña y doña
Juana de Peña.
En mi obra en preparación hallará usted otros datos sobre estas familias.
Le mando un cordial saludo,
Mariano González-Leal.

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Ya vi el archivo anexo, lo llenare, pero indiquenme a quien se lo
envio de regreso.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

I'm looking for my great 4x grandfather Eugenio del Camino born around 1836 but I cant find him. He was born in Huanusco, Zacatecas, Mexico any information is appreciated. Thanks

thanks to Enrique Legaspi for the translation:

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

thanks to Enrique Legaspi for the translation:

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

thanks to Enrique Legaspi for the translation:

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Figen and I have been married since 1995. . .not a real long time but
sort of. Anyway it's amazing how she and I think alike at times and at
the same time.

I had been thinking something this morning and she just piped in with
the same thought and I wanted to share it with you as it is about a
Nuestros Ranchos Member: John Robles and his group: El Son del Pueblo
(http://www.elsondelpueblo.com/).

Figen and I are having company later today and also next weekend. So
that means doing a clean up which usually means me doing the Kitchen and
my messed up desk and She does the lion's share of other areas though we
often split the bathrooms. . . .hmmm, I have gotten off the subject.

so anyway as we clean usually she says "why is there no music?" so today
I beat her to the punch and said "why is there no music?" and she said
she was thinking the same thing.

Now I don't like over doing my listening of any one thing to much so
after listening to 75% of the tracks of John Robles CD
(http://cdbaby.com/cd/esdp) when I first got it awhile back I thought it
would be in order to give the CD another listen while we cleaned. Well I
was soooooo enjoying it and then in one of the tracks either John or
Jorge Mijangos sang out something like "el pueblo mas bonito, Santa
Paula" and it brought back memories of my Dad who was born in Santa
Paula and Mom who worked there and they were married there and started
their family their. But as the CD played on I just kept marveling that
it just kept on "staying good" track after track. So then I'm thinking
that and suddenly Figen chimed in "I really like that music." Wow. She
is from Turkey and has no reason to like something Mexican other than it
being good and this Music is good especially if you like the Veracruz
folk harp (arpa jarocha). . .hard not to dance around listening to it.

John and I have been talking about him doing an Audio presentation for
the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project on the History of the
music style he plays from Veracruz.

Just wanted to give others my feed back that this music is definitely
worth adding to your collection (and no I'm not on the payroll or a
stock holder, neither did I get a discount or a percentage).

have a listen,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

I am now quite at home by-the-sea in San Francisco.

I updated my email address but still have not received any emailings from our group:(

I was SHOCKED to find out that there is no Family History Center in San Francisco! Only one on Pacific that is open by appointment only.

Even worse, there is no Home Depot, and no 99 centavos Only stores.

How am I supposed to get my new apartment building on its feet without Home Depot?

I made a major genealogical break through. A stranger from Corpus Christi emailed me. He told me his own (Jurado) grandmother left him a box full of letters and old documents, and recipes from someone named Maria del Rayo Caballero.

From the content of the documents and civil filings he concluded Maria del Rayo Caballero was a wealthy woman, and his grandmother might have worked for her.

Then he found my maternal website. The first time he knew who Maria del Rayo Caballero was.

My ggggrandmother who was born around 1782. Not only did he have her correspondence, but her picture! I never dreamed there could be a photo of any of my relatives that far back, seven generations. She was born before photography, but in her old age lived into that era.

He went on to tell me the recipes were written in her own hand, dozens of them, dated in the 1830s, in beautiful, perfectly legible script, with a notation that these recipes were cooked in her kitchen.

Of course he never gave me so much as a recipe for frijoles!
He says he's going to publish a book based on my family recipes, which is just fine. I had hoped to share them with you here. But if I have to buy a copy I will be glad to!

He also told me that he has a novena card of hers dated 1802 with the prayers she recited as a child.

But his nudge encouraged me to further research Maria del Rayo Caballero.
I was able to push my ancestry through her all the way back to Cristobal Caballero and Ana de Pena who were born in Cordoba, Spain around the 1630s.

I almost feel like I knew Maria del Rayo Caballero. I feel a deep affection for her.

Those that have joined recently don't have to concern yourself with this
as I've already collected your "representative" tree showing your
connection to the our area of research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

But there are quite a few members out there (we have about 175 members
and only 105 genealogies) that have not submitted their genealogy yet. I
hope you are keeping your eye on the calendar because you'll be
surprised at how soon Jan 31, 2007 appears. _/*On that day or shortly
thereafter I will be deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:*/_

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Those that have joined recently don't have to concern yourself with this
as I've already collected your "representative" tree showing your
connection to the our area of research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

But there are quite a few members out there (we have about 175 members
and only 105 genealogies) that have not submitted their genealogy yet. I
hope you are keeping your eye on the calendar because you'll be
surprised at how soon Jan 31, 2007 appears. _/*On that day or shortly
thereafter I will be deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:*/_

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Those that have joined recently don't have to concern yourself with this
as I've already collected your "representative" tree showing your
connection to the our area of research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

But there are quite a few members out there (we have about 175 members
and only 105 genealogies) that have not submitted their genealogy yet. I
hope you are keeping your eye on the calendar because you'll be
surprised at how soon Jan 31, 2007 appears. _/*On that day or shortly
thereafter I will be deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:*/_

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

I've been on the road since the end of Sept but have made it a point to read the postings even though I haven't responded. I'm happy to see so many new Spanish speaking members even though I don't read it very well my knowledge is expanding because of them by way of bablefish.. Welcome.

I also want to welcome Daniel Mendez who's gr-grandfather Francisco Mendez was brother to my gr-mother Maria Mendez from Tamazula Jalisco. Because he saw my postings on Ancestry.com he was able to contact me about some serious errors I had made on the Mendez family tree in the 1900's. I took names on old photo's as fact and put them in my records in error. I thank Daniel for taking the time to contact me with the corrections on his family tree. It turned out an unknown photo was Daniels father and older brother taken at my uncles home 20 or so years ago, long before I started working the genealogy of the Mendez family in Tamazula Jalisco.

I'm very happy to be back online in Everett Wa. again
Linda Castanon-Long

Mi nombre es Celestino Alonso Villalobos Esquivel, nací en Nvo Laredo Tamaulipas, a los 23 años aproximadamente emigre a los Estados Unidos donde me case, tengo casi 50 años, lo que significa que tengo viviendo en los Estados Unidos poco menos de 27 años resido en Dallas Texas, donde trabajo en una compañia donde fabrican productos de drenaje de todos tipos, ya en esta compañia tengo 20 años trabajando, tengo cinco hijos el menor se llama como yo, dentro de mi familia soy la persona que más interes tiene en la Historia Familiar, como hace diez años aproximadamente comence a trabajar en la genealogia por el lado materno de mi padre que es Gonzalez-Gonzalez, gracias a unas genealiogias con cuatro lineas genealogicas de mi abuela Manuela Gonzalez Gonzalez, que comprueban que mi padre es o era heredero de unas tierras que venian por linea directa de Francisco Baez de Benavidez y de su esposa Clara Flores,donde he recolectado los nombres en grupos familiares de la mayoria de
las lineas que estan dentro de mi grupo familiar, por esas cuatro lineas y claro esas lineas me conectan con la crema y nata de la sociedad del Nvo Reino de Leon de los años 1600. Me costaron muchos años de trabajo lograr conectar el apellido Gonzalez de mi abuela, hasta llegar al origen del apellido. Pero por mis limitaciones en el manejo de programas en la computadora me he visto sujeto a comenzar de nuevo, haciendo mi avance muy despacio, pero seguro. Tambien mietras avanzaba por la linea materna de mi padre, por el lado paterno, estaba parado completamente, aunque ya habia iniciado algunas investigaciones por parte del apellido Villalobos, era un avance mucho muy despacio, hasta hace unos dos años que empece a empujar un poco mas fuerte en la investigacion, no me ha ido muy mal por el lado paterno de mi padre, ya que no me quedo parado esperando que las cosas me caigan del cielo, pero reconosco que pelear "uno contra el mundo" es una locura, es por eso necesito unirme
a un grupo serio y sin egoismos, pero un grupo celoso por las cosas que traen satisfaccion al alma, Y me trae mucha satisfaccion saber que mis abuelos vinieron de Leon Guanajuato, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Jalostotitlan y Zacatecas, especialmente de Pinos. Atentamente Celestino Villalobos.

I recently switched to a flavor of Linux (PCLinuxOS) as my main PC operating system. Does anyone know of or can recommend a genealogy software program that runs on Linux? TIA

To whom it may concern,

Hello, my name is Juanita G. Delgado. I live on the Texas-Mexico border.
I have been researching my late husband's family name for several years now. Of course, I started with the information beginning with the people I knew had come from
Nuevo Leon, and then traced them to San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. I am fortunate because I was able to get much information at the public library where I am a volunteer.

I would like to "complete" my work on the family name, so I am desperately seeking information on the name in Pinos. The only date I have is a 1701 between Bartolome
Delgado and Francisca Melcalin y Chavaria. I am assuming they married in Zac.
Their son, Juan Manuel Delgado did marry in Pinos, in 1728, in Pinos.

Thank you for allowing me in this group. I am confident that I will be able to obtain
more information on this family.

Thank you,

Juanita G. Delgado

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Trabajadores Indios del Valle deTlaltenango
(Zacatecas) en las Salinas Viejas de Santa
Maria en el siglo XVI de Jose Enciso Contreras.

http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn18/EHN01805.pdf

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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Joseph,

You forgot part of the history where on the order of Onate, Vicente Zaldivar bushwhacked my ancestor
Alonso ALbernoz de Sosa. De Sosa had asked Onate for permission to return to Mexico.
The people became very afraid of Onate's dictatorship and his ruthless ness. While most of the soldiers
in the company were on a foraging expedition, th ose disgruntled with Onate left New Mexico. In this group was the widow of Alonso Albernoz de Sosa, Beatriz Rodriguez Navarro, her children, and
her new husband Captain Bernabe de la Casas. THe group reported to Zacatecas where they told the authorities of Onate's atrocities. The people who fled were pardoned. Beatriz and her family moved to
Saltillo, Coahuila with her father, Juan Navarro Rodriguez. The granddaughter of Beatriz and ALonso
married Vicente Zaldivar, a descendant of Vicente de Zald