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From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Date: 13-oct-2006 8:40
Subject: [Genealogia.org.mx] 6962 Re: 6872 Para Eddy, Discrepancia de Datos.
To: Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com

Hola Jorge Luis:

Gusto en volver a saludarte, aqui te paso lo que solicitas:

Matrimonio de Francisco Xavier Gutierrez de Mendoza Galvan de Rojas con
Ana Maria Jimenez de Castro Ruiz, yo tengo como su fecha de matrimonio
el 14-Dic-1734 en Nta. sra. de la Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jal., pero
espera,
mas bien es la fecha de su Informacion Matrimonial, yo creo que la verdadera
fecha de su matrimonio es la que tu das, lo saque del libro de la sagrada
mitra de Luz Montejano, aqui te pongo los datos:

Datos Sacados del Libro: "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Antiguo
Obispado
de la Nueva Galicia, Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios,
Extractos
siglos XVII-XVIII " por Ma. de la Luz Montejano Hilton, México, D.F.,
1999.

Pagina 191, Dispensa 1034., Rollo 167990, OAH 2352, pt.4,
Matrimonios
hojas sueltas, de 1709-1746: Fue visto el Mar-4-Nov-2003.
El Extracto dice asi:

El Parentesco de Consanguinidad en 4to. con 4to. Grado es Asi:

Tronco de Consanguinidad = XXX Gutierrez de
Mendoza Relacion con el Tronco

1er. Grado = Francisco Gutierrez de Mendoza
-----------Hermanos ------------- Juan Gutierrez de Mendoza------- Hijos.
2do. Grado = Francisco Gutierrez de Mendoza ---Primos Hermanos
---- Francisca Gutierrez de Mendoza------- Nietos.
3er. Grado = Bartholome Gutierrez de Mendoza--Primos Segundos
---- Juan Jiménez de Castro ---------- Bisnietos.
4to. Grado = Francisco Gutiérrez de Mendoza--Primos Terceros
---- Ana María Jiménez de Castro ------- Ter-Nietos.

Nota.- Fechas Aprox. de Nacimiento segun edades declaradas:
Vicente Xavier Tello en Dic-1733 declaro tener 25 años,
por tanto Nacio Aprox. en 1708.
Francisca Gutierrez de Mendoza, en Dic-1733 declaro tener
18 Anos, por tanto Nacio aprox.
en 1715.

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Como puedes ver los padres de Fco. Xavier son: Bartholome Gutirerrez
de Mendoza Loza y Josepha Galvan de Rojas.

Los Padres de Ana Maria son: Juan Jimenez de Castro Gutierez de Mendoza
y Juana Ruiz Ramirez de Mendoza. (De ella no tengo quienes son sus padres,
si tu lo sabes por favor dimelo).

Al Parecer Eddy Gutierrez no se ha conectado, y no me ha resuelto la
discrepancia de datos, ni nadie mas me ha sacado de la duda, tu Joge Luis
no sabes nada sobre eso.

A proposito, si pudieras darme tu domicilio y telefono por mail
privado,
quisiera saber que libros de genealogia tienes tu.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

El día 10/10/06, Ramírez escribió:
>
>
> Hablando de los Gutiérrez de Mendoza, alguien tiene por ahí el
> matrimonio de Francisco Gutiérrez de Mendoza, casaso con Ana María
> Jiménez de Castro el 23 de enero de 1735 en Jalostotitlán, que me
> pueda proporcionar el nombre de los padres de los contrayentes.
>
> Ellos tuvieron una hija llamada Bárbara María Gutiérrez de Mendoza,
> mujer de Sebastián Navor de Luna Santacruz.
>
> Saludos.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
>
>

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Some Historical Perspective on "Illegal Immigration" in the Southwest US
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Five Civilized Tribes Online
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Mickey Gemmill Passs to other side
Aztecs butchered, ate Spanish invaders

On my mother's side I am the fourth generation to use the maternal suname.

Because my great grandfather was the product of rape.

Since 1858 our family has been proud to bear the name of the 14 year-old victim of that rape, Maria de las Nieves Porras.

I'm told there maybe a picture of her somewhere, but I haven't found it.
I did find that she was baptized in 1858 at the same time as her son.
I found her grave, and could at least leave her flowers. She is buried with her son.

Although the rapist later loved his son and legitimized his parentage legally, my ggrandfather chose not to bear the name Gallardo.

---- arturoramos wrote:
>
> I have found in my research several lineages where the maternal names survived for up to three generations. In some cases it was because the father did not have a surname (i.e. was indigenous) and thus the maternal one was given to the child by default. In such cases, the husband sometimes appears with his wife's name as well.
>
> Iin other cases it appears to be that the maternal side had the land and prestige and was perhaps lacking of male heirs so the children took on the mother's name in order to propagate that name.
>
> Then there is a peculiar tradition of naming women after grandmothers whereby they are given the entire name so if the grandmother was named Maria Saucedo, the mother was named Ana Ortiz and the father Lorenzo Miramontes, the daugher would be named not Maria Miramontes and not even Maria Ortiz, but Maria Saucedo just like her grandmother, thus she would carry her mother's mother's maiden name.
>
> The term maiden name in Latin America is somewhat redundant because women don't really change their names, thus they have a name in their maiden lives that remains their name in their married lives. In modern times the practice of attaching a "de" husdband's name after their own has become commonplace, but that is not considered the woman's name.

Thanks so much for the information, Arturo. This affirms the need to search maternal names just as carefully. I believ I've read that it wasn't unheard of for a husband to take his wife's maiden surname, if she was the sole heir to land or fortune. Alice Blake

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Civil Censuses in Mexico
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:33:31 -0700 (PDT)

Alice:

I think that beginning with the Porfirian government and certainly after the Mexican Revolution, the state developed its own civil registries and census functions and attempted to usurp these functions all together from the Church.

I would imagine that a census from 1930 by the state would be one of the first ones for that area. I know that in Totatiche, the post-Revolutionary government did a land census around 1920 that is quite good. I found out through that that the little land owned by my father's family in Mexico actually was his grandmother's, which she had inherited from her father.

That then led to me to research inheritance patterns and as it turns out, just like surnames, land did not transfer down the male side only... Lots of powerful women inheriting land, especially in the earlier days of the colony.

Dear Alice:
EL ARCHIVO HISTÓRICO DE AGUASCALIENTES concentra documentación e información
desde el año de 1592 hasta 1930, y está dividido en fondos, series y
secciones. Aproximadamente un 70% se encuentra clasificado, todo está
inventariado.
Sus fondos más importantes son: 1) PROTOCOLOS NOTARIALES (1592-1925),
tratando asuntos como testamentarías, sucesiones, escrituraciones de
propiedad, contratos civiles y privados, fundaciones de pueblos indígenas y
padrones de población.- 2) Ramo Judicial, asuntos civiles y penales (a
partir del año de 1654); 3) COFRADÍAS (1790-1857); 4) ARCHIVOS DE
PARROQUIAS DEL ESTADO, PRINCIPALMENTE LIBROS DE REGISTROS SACRAMENTALES. El
archivo cuenta, además con una HEMEROTECA HISTÓRICA (1842 - a la fecha) y
una colección de 3700 fotografías (1850-1940). Domicilio: Juan de Montoro,
215. Colonia Centro. CP 20000. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Teléfono
014409153946
Felipe Reyes Romo

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Corrine,

Here is the link to Geneanet:

http://www.geneanet.org/?lang=en

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Hola a todos en el Sub-grupo Centro:

Hola Eddy, vi lo que mandaste de tu genealogia, y
yo tengo algo que discrepa con tu investigacion, y no
se si alguien pueda ayudarnos a discernir sobre que
dato es el correcto, tu escribiste lo siguiente:

IV.- Don Cristóbal Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Vázquez de Lara, nacido en 1695.
Fue sepultado el 10 de octubre de 1727. Casó en Jalostotitlán el 3 de
febrero de 1721 con doña Antonia Micaela Maciel-Blancarte y Galván de Rojas,
nacida en Ayo el Chico en 1699; hija de don Juan Maciel-Blancarte y de doña
Marcela Galván de Rojas. Hijo:

V.- Don Joseph Agatón Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Maciel. Casó en Jalostotitlán
el 26 de enero de 1742 con doña María Antonia Muñoz de Nava y Martín del
Campo, hija de don Joseph Manuel Muñoz de Nava y de doña María de San Juan
Martín del Campo.

---------------------------------------

Y resulta ser que yo den mis investigaciones tengo
que Don Joseph Agaton Gutiérrez de Mendoza es hijo de
Don Mateo Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Pedroza y de Doña
Teresa de Jesus Maciel Galvan de Rojas, y que como tu
escribes se caso con Ma. Antonia Muñoz de Nava y
Martin del Campo el 26-Ene-1742, hija como tu dices
de Joseph Manuel Muñoz de Nava y Juana Maria Martin
del Campo.

Alli esta la discrepancia, de quien es hijo realmente
Don Joseph Agaton Gutierrez de Mendoza:

a) De Don Mateo Gutierrrez de Mendoza y Pedroza y
Doña Teresa de Jesus Maciel Galvan de Rojas.

b) De Don Cristobal Gutiérrez de Mendoza Maciel y
Antonia Micaela Maciel Galvan de Rojas.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

Miembros de la familia Oñate vivieron en Aguascalientes. Doña María de Oñate
viuda de Andrés López de la Cerda, vendió en en el año de 1743 a Diego de
Medina y Lomas, una mulata esclava llamada Nicolasa de la O. El texto
riginal del contrato de compra-venta dice: " la esclava es de color cocho,
buena gracia y de 40 años de edad, en un precio y cuantía de 240 pesos de
oro común". La fuente documental se puede consultar en el Archivo
Histrórico de Aguascalientes. Fondo de Protocolos Notariales. Siglo XVIII:
Caja 15, Expediente 3 y Caja 14 , Expediente 5.
Felipe Reyes Romo

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Hello Rose, Very interesting. I was wondering if these were working haciendas/ranchos in 1839, or pueblitos named for the former haciendas; and if the founders or owners were named. Thanks, Alice Blake

--- rosehardy@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Rose Hardy
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Asientos, Aguascalientes Feb 1839 Church Census listing Haciendas and Ranchos
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:25:46 -0700 (PDT)

I have just upload a list of Haciendas and Ranchos from the 1839 Church Census of Asientos, Aguascalientes. There are some names that were hard to make out so I put question marks after the name.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15101

Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno,CA

I have just upload a list of Haciendas and Ranchos from the 1839 Church Census of Asientos, Aguascalientes. There are some names that were hard to make out so I put question marks after the name.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15101

Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno,CA

Isn't somebody researching this area?:

Title
Padrones, 1807-1922

Authors
Iglesia Católica () (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilm de manuscritos en el archivo diocesano de Zacatecas.
Pánuco es una vicaría de Veta Grande, Zacatecas.
Membership lists of the parish of Pánuco, Zacatecas.

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Pánuco - Census

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1987

Physical
1 rollo de microfilm ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Padrones 1807-1840, 1864, 1878, 1889, 1922 (no hay orden) - FHL INTL Film [ 1464049 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Everybody and anybody who is headed to Salt Lake next week, can you
please email me privately and let me know where you will be staying
and how we can get in touch? It would be nice to organize a Nuestros
Ranchos dinner or lunch or something of the sort.

I look forward to seeing you all there.

Hello Arturo, I've researched the 1930 census for Villa Garcia and Vetagrande, Zacatecas. That was not church related, right? Or is this the same data. If it isn't, how do I acquire it? Thanks so much, Alice Blake

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padrones de Panuco
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:43:09 -0700 (PDT)

Alice:

Padrones are censuses. In Mexico, the Church would take parrish censuses every generation or so. The ones that I have seen have listings of people's names by locality along with their ages and profession as well as relationship to the head of the household. Very useful but not indexed so you have to know precisely where the people you are looking for lived or be willing to wheel through thousands of names to find your needle in the haystack.

Some months ago a boy from my neighbor´s throw some rocks from his second floor terrace to my second floor roof. I yelled asking him to stop, he not even turn his head, then I manaced to tell his mom and it worked! The past weekend he did it again but with wooden blocks (tiny blocks) so I went to his door, his grandma granted me to come in, so I did. We had a little chat and she was nice listening to me and asking me question about my family and I ask about hers. Then I dropped it
my Genealogy questionaire! there is a little story behind this.

Like 25 year ago my mom and she had a verbal street fight about some water delivery, ´couse those days there where no tab water we had to pay for tanks.

Since then we, the families, don´t talk to each other.

And this ocasion she received me in her home with expression like "come on in Leticia", "it has been long time since I don´t chat with you!

There is more! This lady is a relative of my mom, not very close, and so is of my dad! I don´t know yet how or how far are we related and she ofered me to investigate names with her brother. Are there spirits working around throwing stones?!

We always knew we were related, but just when I was wondering how to investigat his grandson throw items to my roor!

As far as the Legend of the Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa, I heard a
similar legend about one of my ancestors too--not the Martin del Campos
either. It was totally false, as I found this ancestor's baptism record
that discounted the whole story. The Martin del Campo family from Los
Altos is also very well documented as coming from La Revilla de Campos
in Spain, not France. Also if you read in I believe the first volume of
Retonos... By Mariano Gonz.- Leal's book, he discounts the whole French
thing in los Altos. I always wonder why so many individuals have been
told this--you know being French and all. People from Los Altos have
always been such a closed society that didn't like to mingle with
outsiders. Now why would they mingle with common French soldiers, and
boast about it too? During the Cristiada, much later in history, women
from Los Altos (probably in other locales too, but I can only speak for
Los Altos) were often hidden from any soldiers which might be riding by.
Why would French soldiers be seen any differently? I don't even think
they ever came near Los Altos. Read Don Mariano's book for he discusses
this.

Just wondering...
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Northern California

Corrine and Maria Elena,

Here is the story from a GeaNet posting.

Emilie

Date:
September 5, 2005 06:40PM
Frank te esta hablando tu tia Graciela .
Me ha dado mucho gusto encontrarte y yo te digo que la historia que yo
tengo es asi :
( Esto sucedio al rededor de los anos de la inbacion Francesa, al
rededor de l700....... ) Un nino fue abandonado en las puestas de la
"Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" con ropages muy finos en una canastilla , y
el nino llevaba puesta una medalla y ropages muy finos y prendida una
nota , en la cual decia:
este nino ya ha sido bautizado y se llama Martin, ruego que no se la
quiten la medalla en el trascurso de su vida.

Los duenos de la Hacienda ya eran personas grandes de edad y nunca
tubieron familia ( y posiblemente creyeron que era la parte adecuada
para que el nino creciera y quisas pudieran reconocerlo cuando El
creciera. ) El nino crecio y las familias y el medio ambiente que les
rodeaban, sabian que el nino no era decendiente de los duenos de la"
HACIENDA DE LA YEGUA RUSA," asi que al nino le empesaron a decir o
identificar cuando hablaban de El ; " ahi va Martin, y cuando se
preguntaban que Martin, facil lo identificaban con" Martin, del campo" (
de la yegua rusa), ya que la Haciebnda estaba cituada en una area que
era grande y le rodeaba la belleza del campo .

Ese nino se supone que fue algun deslis de la fam. real ya que el nino
era blanco, rubio y de ojos azules y el ropaje era de telas muy finas y
encajes franceses , pero como no era bien visto en eos tiempos los
deslices en las familias de alto rango asi que los ninos los desconocian
a los ignoraban escondiendolos o regalandolos pero siempre habia una
clave para poder dar algun dia con los hijos.
Esta es la historia de los Martin del campo .

Parese que la Hacienda famosa estaba situada en Lagos de Moreno, Jal.,
mas no me consta , pero yo tambien he investigado a cerca del origen de
nuestro apeido y esta historia he encontrado. En Lagos de Moreno ,Jal.
se construyo un puente que tiene una inscripcion que dice asi:" Este
puente fue construido en Lagos y se pasa por arriba". Es curioso porque
en aquellos tiempos las personas cominaban apie en burro o a caballo
puesto que todo era cercano y a la orilla del pueblo habia un rio pero
solo en tiempo de lluvias se llenaba de agua, asi que muy pocas personas
eran las que crusaban el puente , se les hacia mas facil crusarse el
arroyuelo a pie que ir a dar la vuelta hasta donde estaba el puente.

Este comentario te lo hago porque las personas pudientes de aquellos
tiempos solian hacer sus fincas en un lugar alto y serca de un rio para
proteger su sitio. y me parecio el mas adecuado porque parece ser que
ahi fue la cuna de los Martin del campo, ya que era la parte mas
acercada entre Mexaico y Guadalajara .

Frank espero estes bien y siempre los recuerdo saludos a tu esposa y los
ninos y saludame a tu papa haber si se acuerda de mi.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:23:48 -0700
From: "Emilie Garcia"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fw: Legend of Hacienda de Yegua Rusa
(in Spanish)
To:
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Arturo,

Could you please translate this story into English for those who aren't
that proficient in Spanish? Also, I have a question: In the story, the
lady says that the French invaded Lagos de Moreno around the 1700s. Is
that true? I thought the French invasion occurred in the middle of the
1800's after the Spanish were kicked out, no? I am so confused by
people saying that their ancestors were from France, including my own
father, now deceased, who told me that his great-great grandfather was
called "El Frances" and had blue eyes. My research shows that his
ancestors lived in Salitrillo, Tepetongo, Zacatecas for hundreds of
years, and the only white people mentioned were "espanol" and the
surnames are Spanish, not French, except for his own surname which is
Basque (Olague). I keep thinking that because the most recent European
invaders had been French in my g-g-grandfather's time, the people just
thought that all white, blue-eyed people there were "French".

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----

I'll be off line from Tonight at 7 pm Eastern Time until sometime on Sunday (I hope). If you need help you'll need to email moderator@nuestrosrancho.com in the meantime.

joseph

ps: well you never know I might just pop into a library and see what's going on, but I think not.

Has anyone ever ordered material from the Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara (AAG)? Is it possible? Is it expensive? If you have info on this can you post it to the group?

I'm interested in ordering this Padron listed in Dr. Lyman Platt's book "Census Record for Latin America. . ." for Zacatecas, Zacatecas:

1770

Are you all that are going on the "Dream Team Trip" going to be swinging by the Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara (AAG)? Any chance I could get one of you to purchase this for me?

joseph

Not being from Los Altos I'm not keeping up on your all's discussions. Happened upon this and was wondering if you have already ordered this film?

joseph

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Title Documentos eclesiásticos, 1772-1784
Authors Iglesia Católica. Arzobispado de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Note Location
Film
Descripción y padrones de la Audiencia de Guadalajara 1772-1773, 1784 Cartas y expedientes 1772 Padrón de Totatiche de Taltenango 1773 Padrón de Sr. San Juan 1772-1773, 1784 Padrón de la Razón 1773 Testimonio del plan del curato de Tlajomulco 1772-1773 FHL INTL Film
758093

I just received the mtDNA from the test that my father did.

Both of my maternal lineages have come back as indigenous (A and B) and both of my paternal lineages have come back as European (E3b and R1b)

HVR1 Haplogroup
B

HVR1 differences
from CRS
16092C
16111T
16182C
16183C
16189C
16217C
16483A
16519C

Here is a link to Reuters news article about a recent archealogical find in Mexico City of a 15th century Aztec altar near the Zocalo.

Alicia

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061004/wl_nm/mexico_aztecs_dc

http://libraryweb.utep.edu/special/microfilm.cfm

Yolanda,

the link above is for a list of microfilm sets available at the UTEP. Which set in particular are you interested in?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Hi All
Can anyone direct me on where to go for immigratiopn records? I am fortunate enough to have the date and year that my grandparents and two children crossed into the United States at El Paso. I am sure this could be the key to some new info.
Thanks!
John Robles

Corinne,

There is a story on GeneaNet about how the surname Martin del Campo de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa came to be. A baby boy was left at the doorstep of the Hacienda, and his name was Martin del Campo.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

I was checking out the Poems and Cuentos in the files and thought of asking
if anyone had ever heard of the story from Jalisco about "hijo de la yegua
rusa," which means son of a russian mare. Anyways, my mother regrets not
paying any attention to her aunt telling the story to my sister, both of
whom are now deceased. Another of my mom's aunts is still living, so we
hope to get the story from her and record it.

Corrine Ardoin