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Oh, I remember that now. Thanks for the answer. Marge:)

On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:

Marge:



My Ramos are neither from Chihuahua nor really Ramos.  The name goes

back only to the late 1700s in Totatiche, Jalisco, where a priest who

apparently refused to recognize the name of the family who had taken in

an "expuesto" (abandoned child) by the name of Ramon, assigned the last

name of Ramos instead to his children.



It seems that children born after the priest changed in the parish got

the name Aranzazu.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza

wrote:

> Are your Ramos' from Chihuahua?

> Marge:)













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Marge:

My Ramos are neither from Chihuahua nor really Ramos.  The name goes 
back only to the late 1700s in Totatiche, Jalisco, where a priest who 
apparently refused to recognize the name of the family who had taken in 
an "expuesto" (abandoned child) by the name of Ramon, assigned the last 
name of Ramos instead to his children.

It seems that children born after the priest changed in the parish got 
the name Aranzazu.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  
wrote:
> Are your Ramos' from Chihuahua?
> Marge:)

Hello Jonathan,

I recently found a couple of very good research sites.  For you and
anyone else whose search has led them to the Basque Country, in Spain,
the links below provide a way to do online queries of parochial
records in a similar way to familysearch.  Hope this is helpful to
someone.

Have ancestors in Gipuzkoa?
Make an online search of parochial archives at "Archivo Histórico
Diocesano de San Sebastián"
http://www.elizagipuzkoa.org/artxiboa/

What about Biskaia ancestors?
Check "Archivo Histórico Eclesiástico de Bizkaia"
http://www.aheb-beha.org/

Or here's a single site where you can search the three Basque
Diocesis: Araba, Biskaia and Gipuzkoa.
http://www.irargi.org/

Un Saludo Cordial!
Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr"  wrote:
> When there is a IGI record, says that the record was submitted by a 
> LDS Member.  Especially, if it was submitted in the 1970's, 1980's, 
> and the early 1990's, on paper.  The church kept a copy on

When there is a IGI record, says that the record was submitted by a 
LDS Member.  Especially, if it was submitted in the 1970's, 1980's, 
and the early 1990's, on paper.  The church kept a copy on the 
submission on film.  They are sorted into batch numbers and into 
Serial or sheet numbers.  These numbers are so that you can find the 
record on the film.  As far as I know, you can only use the Batch 
number, when performing a online search. 

The submissions films, are restricted to the Family History Library 
in Salt Lake.

thanks,
Jonathan
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Angie,
> 
> Thanks.  I was just joking!
> And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's 
the
> purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?
> 
> I've tried entering data into the [Film Number] field in a similar
> fashion to the [Batch Number] as some recommend field but

Hello Stuart,

Thanks for your response.  Sounds like you have had extensive
experience using these search tools.  Thanks!

Saludos
Victor Villarreal
Reynosa, México


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Armstrong  wrote:
> Hello v.h.villarreal,
> 
> Thursday, August 25, 2005, 1:30:18 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Angie,
> 
> > And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
> > purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> > IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?
> 
> The best time to use these is when you find a record of interest that
> has a batch number. Records were submitted by extraction workers or by
> church members in batches. So it is often the case that the records in
> a particular batch are either for related persons or persons who lived
> in the same area at the same time.
> 
> So whenever a batch number exists, try searching for all the records
> from that batch. (I think you have to entry a country

Hello v.h.villarreal,

Thursday, August 25, 2005, 1:30:18 PM, you wrote:

> Angie,

> And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
> purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?

The best time to use these is when you find a record of interest that
has a batch number. Records were submitted by extraction workers or by
church members in batches. So it is often the case that the records in
a particular batch are either for related persons or persons who lived
in the same area at the same time.

So whenever a batch number exists, try searching for all the records
from that batch. (I think you have to entry a country too.) Some
batches are very large and may have sheet numbers too. If these were
microfilmed or extracted from a microfilm, there may be a Film number.
-- 
Best regards,
 Stuart                            mailto:stuarta@...

Are your Ramos' from Chihuahua?

Marge:)

On Aug 29, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:

I agree with Victor's opinion about the podcast series.  I especially

enjoyed the interview with Rosalinda.  In case anyone is wondering, I

am her 26 time (probably more) cousin that she discusses in the

interview.  It has been a pretty amazing discovery to find long lost

cousins doing genealogy research.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"

wrote:

> Joseph,

>

> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps

> getting better.  Thanks!

>

> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my

> head.. :~)

>

> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious

to

> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates

for

> genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other

words,

> what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from

> available

I agree with Victor's opinion about the podcast series.  I especially 
enjoyed the interview with Rosalinda.  In case anyone is wondering, I 
am her 26 time (probably more) cousin that she discusses in the 
interview.  It has been a pretty amazing discovery to find long lost 
cousins doing genealogy research.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps
> getting better.  Thanks!
> 
> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my
> head.. :~)
> 
> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious 
to
> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates 
for
> genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other 
words,
> what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from
> available sources.
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> > 
> > Okay I

Arturo and Joseph:
Thanks so much for your responses to my inquiry - the information and 
links are very interesting, and I just want you to know I appreciate 
your sharing.
Thanks again,
Natalie in VA

No doubt Lopez de Santana is among the most opprobrious characters in
Mexican history, but blaming the current state of affairs exclusively
to the acts of leaders like him is no doubt an extreme oversimplification.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> Poor Mexico.....
> Because of such poor leaders as Santa Ana, including
> many others after him, Mexico remains a 3rd world
> country. We, 25 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans
> in the U.S., are living proof of Mexico's economic and
> political failures.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> 

I don't think of genealogy an illness. I think it's more of desire to know about ourselves and we just get carried away to the exclusion of all else.

Marge:)

On Aug 28, 2005, at 5:15 PM, lili pinzon wrote:

I suggest this question: is there any project in the school fields

to promote or to motive children an young teens and adults to look

for names and history of ancestor? If not, would it not be

interesting and fruitfull for every body in the future? cause I ask

my self from where I acquired this obsesion illness?



-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"

wrote:

> Joseph,

>

> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps

> getting better.  Thanks!

>

> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my

> head.. :~)

>

> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious

to

> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates

for

> genealogy researchers in terms

I suggest this question: is there any project in the school fields 
to promote or to motive children an young teens and adults to look 
for names and history of ancestor? If not, would it not be 
interesting and fruitfull for every body in the future? cause I ask 
my self from where I acquired this obsesion illness? 

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps
> getting better.  Thanks!
> 
> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my
> head.. :~)
> 
> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious 
to
> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates 
for
> genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other 
words,
> what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from
> available sources.
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> > 
> >

Joseph,

I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps
getting better.  Thanks!

Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my
head.. :~)

About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious to
know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates for
genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other words,
what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from
available sources.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Okay I think I will be able to go to the Hispanic Genealogy
Symposium to 
> record the featured speaker, George Ryskamp.
> 
> I would like the Ranchos community to give me some feed back on this:
> 
> What questions would you ask a researcher of the caliber of George 
> Ryskamp? Seems that I should ask him something that would benefit those 
> that have gone well beyond the beginning stages of research and are in 
> the mid to advanced

Okay I think I will be able to go to the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium to
record the featured speaker, George Ryskamp.

I would like the Ranchos community to give me some feed back on this:

What questions would you ask a researcher of the caliber of George
Ryskamp? Seems that I should ask him something that would benefit those
that have gone well beyond the beginning stages of research and are in
the mid to advanced stages of their studies. what do you think????

any suggestions would help get my game plan together if there an
additional opportunity presents itself for me to interview him for the
http://NuestrosRanchos.net podcast interview series.

joseph

The Nuestros Ranchos Podcast Interview Series

I would like to invite everyone to go to http://NuestrosRanchos.net and
listen to my new Podcast series.

Read the first paragraph under "Nuestros Ranchos Podcast" for
instructions how to listen. After familiarizing yourself with podcasts
scroll down the page to hear interviews with Mimi Lozano of Somos
Primos, Gary Felix of the Mexico DNA project and Rosalinda Ruiz a
descendant of Juan Fernandez de Cordoba the Governor of Nueva Vizcaya.

have a listen and please lend me your feedback,

Joseph Puentes
http://NuestrosRanchos.net
LaFamilia@...
206-339-4134

Poor Mexico.....
Because of such poor leaders as Santa Ana, including
many others after him, Mexico remains a 3rd world
country. We, 25 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans
in the U.S., are living proof of Mexico's economic and
political failures.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.

--- "v.h.villarreal" 
wrote:

> Very interesting information, Joseph.
> 
> Although the ecclesiastical divisions didn't
> strictly follow the lines
> that eventually became the political division of the
> States.
> 
> An interesting bit of history is that Aguascalientes
> used to be part
> of the State of Zacatecas until the early to mid
> 1800s, when Santa Ana
> granted its independence as a sovereign State and a
> way to punish some
> political opponents he had in Zacatecas.
> 
>
http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/aguas/html/sec_25.html
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
>  wrote:
> > Well I'm not sure I understand it all but here is
>

Alicia,

If you refer to the E-journal articles, these are part of a series of
publications by the "UNAM" which generally are very well documented
and have an extensive bibliography.

Check the following link to see all editions related to New Spain
History:  http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/histnovo_index.html
Click on the cover of any edition to see a table of contents.

Victor Villarreal
Reynosa, MX.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> Thank you so much for the links to these very interesting articles.
Many of these articles appear to have different authors/writers. As
far as you know are these articles extrapolated from history books or
other text books and if so would you happen to know which ones?
>  
> Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
> 

Very interesting information, Joseph.

Although the ecclesiastical divisions didn't strictly follow the lines
that eventually became the political division of the States.

An interesting bit of history is that Aguascalientes used to be part
of the State of Zacatecas until the early to mid 1800s, when Santa Ana
granted its independence as a sovereign State and a way to punish some
political opponents he had in Zacatecas.

http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/aguas/html/sec_25.html

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Well I'm not sure I understand it all but here is a quote from Dr.
Lyman 
> Platt's book, "Mexico, General Guide: Ecclesiastical Divisions."
Lots of 
> details in the book:
> 

Alicia,

You can find Trancoso in the map if you look a little to the southeast
of Zacatecas city.  (About 20 km.)

These are the main places that I have listed in the files section:
Totatiche, Villa Guerrero, Monte Escobedo and Colotlán.  But there a
few others like Tlaltenango, El Limón, El Salitre, Rancho Viejo, El
Terrerito, Unión de San Antonio, San Juan de los Lagos and now Ojo
Caliente and Trancoso.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> I looked for your name in who's who to see what other ranchos/areas
you were researching aside from ojo caliente and Trancoso as you
listed below and I couldn't find you there. I know that many places
such as states have ranchos that have the same name and I wanted to
see if your Trancoso would be the same as I've heard mentioned in my
family.
>  
> While I don't have Trancoso listed in my areas of research, only
because I don't have any data to support that yet. Do you know where
your

Totatiche only... though I believe that all parishes in the bishphoric of Guadalajara were 
instructed to conduct full censuses that year.  I see censuses for Tlaltenango around that 
time but not Colotlan in the FHL catalog.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan 
> >c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where 
> >marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are archives 
> >of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book 
> >Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since 
> >it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census
> >
> was that the census for the Totatiche area only? or did it include Colotlan?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> > as well as 
> >transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area 
> >through that period, so that one can plot out

Arturo Ramos wrote:

Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan
c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where
marriages and baptisms were performed. Apparently, there are archives
of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book
Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since
it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census

was that the census for the Totatiche area only? or did it include Colotlan?

thanks,

joseph

as well as
transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area
through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land
and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.

Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?






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