Nuestros Ranchos Site

Zacatecas was never part of Jalisco.  It was a seperate intendency 
since before Mexican independence and in fact, I believe it was 
actually never even part of Nueva Galicia, but rather was settled 
before Nunez de Guzman conquered what later became Nueva Galicia (which 
comprised the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit and Sinaloa).  
Nochistlan, the oldest Spanish settlement in Zacatecas dates from 1531.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/mexico.html

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/zacatecas/hist.htm

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Natalie"  wrote:
> or an historical geography lesson (not sure which), and I'm not sure 
> where/how to find the information. My question is - were Jalisco and 
> Zacatecas established at the same time as political jurisdictions, or 
> was one a part of the other first? If so, when were they separated?
> Any clues or sources greatly appreciated. Mil gracias.
> 
> Natalie in VA

Hello All,

I just added two new localities to my search in Zacatecas:  Ojo
Caliente and Trancoso.  The starting surnames are Alvarado and Colunga.

Anyone?
Victor

"El Archivo Franciscano" is found at the National Library in México.
Part of it is also found at the Public Library of Guadalajara.

Here's an interesting document (In Spanish):
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf

In "Colecciones Mexicanas" from the "Universidad Nacional Autónoma de
México" there's a link to "Archivo Franciscano"
http://www.coleccionesmexicanas.unam.mx/

HIH


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" wrote:
> Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan
> c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where
> marriages and baptisms were

or an historical geography lesson (not sure which), and I'm not sure 
where/how to find the information. My question is - were Jalisco and 
Zacatecas established at the same time as political jurisdictions, or 
was one a part of the other first? If so, when were they separated?
Any clues or sources greatly appreciated. Mil gracias.

Natalie in VA

"El Archivo Franciscano" is found at the National Library in México. 
Part of it is also found at the Public Library of Guadalajara.

Here's an interesting document (In Spanish):
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf

In "Colecciones Mexicanas" from the "Universidad Nacional Autónoma de
México" there's a link to "Archivo Franciscano"
http://www.coleccionesmexicanas.unam.mx/

HIH


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
> Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan 
> c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where 
> marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are archives 
> of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book 
> Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since 
> it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census as well as 
> transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area 
> through that

Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan 
c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where 
marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are archives 
of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book 
Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since 
it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census as well as 
transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area 
through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land 
and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.

Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?

Hello All,

I just added two new localities to my search in Zacatecas:  Ojo
Caliente and Trancoso.  The starting surnames are Alvarado and Colunga.

Anyone?
Victor

Hello:



Yes, to Lyman's work.



I will try the scan, okay.



Mickey

Joseph:



When I went to Seville; I was looking thru the Guad. Archives and was looking at the Durango Census of 1777.  I was not going to be able to be there very long so I asked for a copy [xerox]  which cost an arm, anyway....I found out later that there was a copy in Mexico City also.  So, I could have had a copy from the archives in Mexico.  I do have a copy which I have shared with several people thru the years.  The  handwriting is so beautiful.  It is a wonderful census.  I love census records!!



Mickey

Joseph:



No one can do follow up on Lyman's work.   [Lyman, are you listening?]  Pat yourself on the back [Lyman, not you Joseph!]





Mickey

Hello:



Dr Inglis came to Texas on several grants to put the Nagcodoches [?] Archives in some sort of order.  I met him in Austin and invited him to speak at a small meeting that the genealogical club had in Houston.  He was then asked to speak at several other conference/meeting, etc.  He was a professor who married a Cuenca native and lived in Seville.  It was through Doug that I was able to enter the Archives in Seville and handle some of the Guadalajara  Archives - his wife had worked there at one time and he knew some of the people.  I went in blind....he helped me go through the paper work in order to do research there....pictures/ letters of recommendation; or at least that was what we did at the time....



Dr. Inglis said he could not make a living doing historical research so he had a business in computers at the time.  He was living in Seville.  I have not spoken to him in years.  We had him as a guest at our home;;;;this was in the 1980's when our kids were in college.  It

Alicia,

Yes there was some signifiance in that name.  December 1931 was the
400 year anniversary to the Virgin de Guadalupe.  So I imagine all
the children in the early part of 1932 were given that name.  Funny
you should bring this up since about a week ago, I was talking with
my uncle who was born in 1931 and has the name Guadalupe. 
Anyway...someone else started talking to us and he asked my uncle
were you born in the year of the Guadalupe's.  My uncle laughed and
said he was born before.  Later when the man left, I asked my uncle
what was that all about.  He explained to me that most of the
children born in 1932 were given the name of Guadalupe in honor of
the Virgin de Guadalupe.

Hope this helps...
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo
wrote:
> Jose Luis,
> 
> I'm sorry, I did not even think of that but as we

This sounds interesting and since it is a short walk from my house 
and only $25, I will be attending.  I can get a digital recorder and 
record some of it for you in a .WAV file or something similar.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure who lives on the East Coast from the Juarez group but 
in 
> Ranchos there is:
> 
> Arturo Ramos,
> Natalie Coleman,
> Jeannette Soriano
> and me.
> 
> anybody going to this?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: I'm going to try to get the day off from work but I'm not 
> optimistic. If I can get to the conference I might try to record 
part of 
> the presentation to include in my Podcast series. I'm not sure how 
that 
> would work.
> 
> GENEALOGY
> 
> Hispanic Genealogy Symposium
> Saturday, September 24, 10:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the Presidential 
> Conference Center
> In a one-day Hispanic Genealogy Symposium, archivists and 
genealogists 
> will discuss primary sources as well as secondary sources available 
on 
>

Victor,

The only thing I know about [Film Number] Field is what it says in help:

"If a record contains both a batch number and a film number, then use 
only the batch number for your search. Film number searches are valid 
only when there is no batch number."

And as far as [Serial/Sheet Number] I have only ever seen it to be 
[00].  So I don't think that is any help.

Personally, I have never used either field in my searches.

Angie

P.S.  I knew you were jk ... ;-)

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Angie,
> 
> Thanks.  I was just joking!
> And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
> purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
> IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?
> 
> I've tried entering data into the [Film Number] field in a similar
> fashion to the [Batch Number] as some recommend field but nothing 
happens!
> 
> Victor 
>

Alicia,

Yes there was some signifiance in that name.  December 1931 was the 
400 year anniversary to the Virgin de Guadalupe.  So I imagine all 
the children in the early part of 1932 were given that name.  Funny 
you should bring this up since about a week ago, I was talking with 
my uncle who was born in 1931 and has the name Guadalupe.  
Anyway...someone else started talking to us and he asked my uncle 
were you born in the year of the Guadalupe's.  My uncle laughed and 
said he was born before.  Later when the man left, I asked my uncle 
what was that all about.  He explained to me that most of the 
children born in 1932 were given the name of Guadalupe in honor of 
the Virgin de Guadalupe.

Hope this helps...
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Jose Luis,
>  
> I'm sorry, I did not even think of that but as we all now know it's 
very possible and I'm sure you're right there will not be any formal 
church records. As we all know

Angie,

Thanks.  I was just joking!
And speaking about research tips, I don't have a clear idea what's the
purpose of the fields [Serial/Sheet Number] and [Film Number] in the
IGI search page.  Have you found any use for those?

I've tried entering data into the [Film Number] field in a similar
fashion to the [Batch Number] as some recommend field but nothing happens!

Victor 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Victor,
> 
> Thanks for the info!
> 
> After all the information you have given me, your honor was never in 
> question.  :-)
> 
> Thanks Again,
> Angie
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> wrote:
> > Angie,
> > 
> > I found that the percentage sign does act as a wildcard, at least in
> > some instances.  For example if you enter a last name and want to
> > apply a filter in Events, and/or Year Range and/or State, if you leave
> > the First Name field blank you'll get an arror message.  But doing
> >

I'm registered! Anyone else coming to the conference? Hope to see you 
there.
Natalie in VA

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure who lives on the East Coast from the Juarez group but 
in 
> Ranchos there is:
> 
> Arturo Ramos,
> Natalie Coleman,
> Jeannette Soriano
> and me.
> 
> anybody going to this?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: I'm going to try to get the day off from work but I'm not 
> optimistic. If I can get to the conference I might try to record 
part of 
> the presentation to include in my Podcast series. I'm not sure how 
that 
> would work.
> 
> GENEALOGY
> 
> Hispanic Genealogy Symposium
> Saturday, September 24, 10:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the Presidential 
> Conference Center
> In a one-day Hispanic Genealogy Symposium, archivists and 
genealogists 
> will discuss primary sources as well as secondary sources available 
on 
> the Internet to trace family history. Featured speaker Professor 
George 
> Ryskamp of Brigham Young