File - Who's Who

Yes,  Alicia,
 
I also have wondered where a correspondent on the group lives, and thinking it would be helpful to those reading my e-mails, I usually end my e-mails with my full name and where I am located.  I often wish others would do likewise.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] File - Who's Who
 
I know that I have found the who's who extremely valuable. When someone sends a message and I'm curious about their (specific research area I just go to who's who and do a quick look up on their area, surnames etc. Sometimes I wonder to myself, "where does this person live? and this I can also find quickly in who's who. So please if you have not already posted on who's who, please do because it's so easy to do.
 
Thanks............Alicia

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:


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What is a Rancho???

Alicia,

Right.  A "rancho" refers in México to a small plot of land dedicated 
either to agricultural farming or animal husbandry.  It can have one 
or more houses and it usually is the property of a single family.

An "hacienda" is like a ranch but on a much larger scale, it can have 
many houses and people, usually the owners and the workers that 
attend the fields and animals.

A "poblado" is a community or settlement of people larger than a 
rancho or hacienda, but smaller than a village.

The Mexican equivalent of a village is a "villa" or a "pueblo". This 
is the intermediate entity between a poblado and a "ciudad" or city.

Victor
 
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> You are correct in your translation, however at least in our region 
and I think that maybe in the other rural towns a rancho as the 
locals call it can be the one house with it's small plot of land. 
When we went in September you travelled down the dirt roads on

What is a Rancho???

Victor,
 
You are correct in your translation, however at least in our region and I think that maybe in the other rural towns a rancho as the locals call it can be the one house with it's small plot of land. When we went in September you travelled down the dirt roads on the outskirts of town and every little house had it's own name such as La Palma, La Trinidad, El Monte De Duranes etc.
I have talked to some of the local elders and they said that in the past most Ranchos had more than one dwelling with multiple families in each Rancho, but now many of the previous Ranchos are abandoned as most everyone has left to live en El Norte con los guerros.
 
Joseph, I guess just like the foods of Mexico it's all regional, in some areas a Rancho is a big ranch and in some areas it can be a little cottage.
 
Alicia

Victor Villarreal wrote:

Literaly, rancho translates as ranch or farm. 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> What would the English

FOOD and old world traditions



Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:


I found the customs in the area to still be from the old school. I
wanted to walk alone at 6am to take photos and observe. I was told
this would reflect poorly on my family for me to walk the streets
alone, I was 58 at the time. They got their daughter of out bed to
accompany me. Old traditions still abound. I was also told it was my
responsibility to go to the senior member of my family and offer my
respect. I didn't even know I had family there when I arrived. I
ended up going to 14 homes offering my and my families respect. When
it was time to leave I had to go back and "despenser" sp.. myself. At
11pm the last night a family came who said I didn't visit them so they
came to me... I had no idea.. They also asked why their American
cousins had forgotten them? I had no answers for them. The senior
member was 96 years old and remembered my grandmother, her Tia. They
pulled out photos of me when I wa! s 2 years old! When it

Ranchos

El Rancho del Durazno in 2005 has abt 150 homes and 350 people, I 
would have to call it a village...Maybe when it started Rancho was 
appropriate but now it's just tradition..  I would think that in 1575  
it was a working rancho... 

Linda



What is a Rancho???

Literaly, rancho translates as ranch or farm.  


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> What would the English equivelent of a rancho be????
> 
> I think of it as a small, small community as in a large neighborhood.
> 
> what are others thoughts on this?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph



What is a Rancho???


What would the English equivelent of a rancho be????

I think of it as a small, small community as in a large neighborhood.

what are others thoughts on this?

thanks,

joseph



File - Who's Who

I know that I have found the who's who extremely valuable. When someone sends a message and I'm curious about their (specific research area I just go to who's who and do a quick look up on their area, surnames etc. Sometimes I wonder to myself, "where does this person live? and this I can also find quickly in who's who. So please if you have not already posted on who's who, please do because it's so easy to do.
 
Thanks.............Alicia

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:


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become very benificial to all of us.

What I think is good about the database is that when you open it up,
you are given that

cemetary custom in Michoacan

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I have a niece through marriage that spent two years with me. She grew
up in the same town that my husband was born in, El Valle de Guadalupe,
Michoacan - not too far from Jalisco's border town of La Barca, closer to
Zamorra. 

 

She told me that when she was younger (she is now a woman of about 28
years), the custom was to not only have an alter, but on All Soul's Day, the
family would cook a favorite food of their deceased and take it to the
cemetery.  She said that her and her friends would sneak over to the
cemetery and eat the food.  She would laugh as she remembered the elders
who would exclaim that it was probably the "spirit of the dead" that gratefully
acknowledged their gift by eat it.

 

Esperanza

Alvarez, Campos de Momax, Zacatecas


its a list of contact information for the various churches in Zacatecas.
More of the central churches in the various areas. Look at the message
from Alicia for more info related to this. Hmmm, I didn't explain that
very well. . .would anyone care to fill in or correct my fumbling effort?


joseph

Carol Lester wrote:

Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you educate me?

Regards,
Carol Lester



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Genealogy online

Hello group,

I've finally posted all my data on Ancestry.com.  Most of the work is 
from the District of Jerez Zacatecas.  If you are looking for any 
family from there please check my file online and go to index and it 
will give you all the names listed in my data.  I hope I have 
something that's of use to others in the group. I'm just now really 
getting into the records from Atoyac, Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad 
Guzman, Zapotiltic and Tamazula de Gordiano Jalisco.  If you put 
Castanon, Zacatecas Mexico it will give you my file, go from there!
Linda



Agatito Davila.pdf/No Genealogies In Emails To The Group Please

Whose file is this?

I would really like to keep genealogies off of the public archives.
Remember the messages are open to the public and the genealogies are
restricted to members only.
Please don't send genealogies to the group via an email. If you want
your genealogies put into your file you need to send it to me and I'll
add it to your file. If you are new to the group I'll make up a folder
for you in "YahooBriefcase" and add a link to your work in the links
area under "AAAA-Genealogies"


let me know if you have any questions,

joseph

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:

File : Registar of Agatito Davila.pdf
Description : AgatitoDavila





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File - Who's Who

New members: Please go to the Database and fill in your information. If you are
old to the group, but haven't submitted your information please consider doing it now.
Here are Angie Godina's Instructions on what you need to do. If you have
any additional questions please direct them to: aajay1073@...

---------------------------------

Thanks to everyone who entered their information.  I think it will 
become very benificial to all of us.

What I think is good about the database is that when you open it up, 
you are given that "Search This Table" input box.  If you type in a 
surname or a location, it lists out all the people searching that 
surname and or location.  A very useful feature, be sure to try it.

The fields in the table are: Name
Email Address    {optional}[but provide it anyway, jp]
Research Surnames    {Surnames you are researching.}
Research Location    {Cities, Towns, Ranchos that your ancestors are from.}
My Location    {Your current location - optional}

So once you

Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

Hi Irma,
I had never heard of Dia de los Muertos either!  My paternal family (Zacatecas) and my maternal family (Jalisco)  didn't observe it at all, I saw it on television and asked my 84 year old father and he said they didn't do that in Jerez.. I'm assuming the custom came more from the Indeginous side of our heritage?  Burial customs vary so much from culture to culture. 
 
 My mother died many years ago but purchased a burial site in Stockton Ca. that has one plot on top of another. My father calls it a 'condo' and doesn't like the idea of being buried on top of her!   I do find it very interesting that the Mexican culture which holds it's elders in such high esteem does not like to "visit" them once they die?  Maybe the fact that they have to bury their loved ones themselves, even preparing them for burial, digging the hole and dropping them into it makes the difference.  Here stateside we sanitize it and only have to show up for the services.  Strangers do the rest for us, keeps

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Joseph,
 
A reminder that not all churches in Zacatecas belong to El Arzobisbado de Zacatecas. When we were in Tlachichila and Nochistlan last September they were heavily advertising a conference in Guadalajara for all parishes in El Arzobispado de Guadalajara. I asked them about this and they said that Tlachichila and Nochistlan belong to El Arzobispado de Guadalajara and not Zacatecas even though they are in the state of Zacatecas. These towns are much closer to Guadalajara and at one time this was the state of Jalisco until General Santa Ana decided to punish the political leaders of this region by changing the states' boundaries. A very small portion of Nochistlan lies within the state of Jalisco and it's less than an hour away from Mexticacan, Jalisco and about an hour from Teocaltiche, Yahualica and Jalostitlan Jalisco.
 
Alicia
 
Carol Lester wrote:

Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Carol
Last May I put together a word.doc for you listing
the 80 documents of the 147 that we printed on our last trip to SLC. 
Since you said couldn't open up the e-mail version of the word.doc, I snail
mailed it out to you.    I haven't heard from you so  don't
know if you received the copy.   I know we printed many Alvarez 
and Campos bapt, marriages etc, because we worked from your e-mail listing 
requesting these documents.
If you want copies of those documents we printed and have,
please highlight the documents on the word.doc we sent to you and mail it
back to us. 
 
 
Other Ranchos members:
I have attached the 5 page  word.doc again in
case anyone else is researching those surnames.
 
For those of you that can't open the word.doc, following is
a list of the 80 surnames on these documents coming from: 
Momax,  Los Velas,  Huejucar, Jalostotitlan, Tlaltenango,
Cuculiten, Los Belas, Santa Ana, Potrecillo, Canada de Guzman, Barranca, Puerto
de San Jose
 
Alvares 25

Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

I envy you Linda.  I tried to get my dad and family in
Mexico to take me to the cemetery where my grandmother was buried.  My
dad interrupted and refused to take me there.  His response was, "Why
do you want to go to a place where everyone is dead when you have all of these
live relatives?"  Okay how do you respond when your "live" relatives are
staring at you.  Enjoying history, I have always "enjoyed" going to
cemeteries because there is so much history there.  No, I don't like
funerals though.  Next time I will go on my own even if I have to walk
there.
Along the same vein...  a few years ago, I was asked
to do a cultural presentation of sorts to my daughter's class around
Halloween.  I decided to build "un altar" for El Dia de los Muertos. 
When I asked my parents about this custom, they said, " We don't do that.  
Once we bury our dead, we go to church have Masses said for them, pray for
them, but we don't hang out at cemeteries."  I actually had to do research
on

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you educate me?

Regards,
Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jun 30, 2005 6:44 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

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Awhile back I sent in the story "Muchacha" attached here as well. where
i was told that my great grandmother was so poor that she needed to ask
another family if she could drop a bundle that carried her child in the
grave with the person they were burying.



joseph



Alberto Duarte wrote:

They still bury people in that cemetery.  I saw the
grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so
that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the
existing one!  Some families are so poor that they
bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites.  

Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I
was among my past relatives.

Alberto.

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

  
The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is
different than here stateside.  I wanted to visit
all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
records.  Our host could not understand my desire to
go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past!  He
did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros

Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

They still bury people in that cemetery.  I saw the
grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so
that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the
existing one!  Some families are so poor that they
bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites.  

Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I
was among my past relatives.

Alberto.

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is
> different than here stateside.  I wanted to visit
> all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
> records.  Our host could not understand my desire to
> go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past!  He
> did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I
> found all the names I have been researching clear
> back to the 1750's.  One could almost feel the
> ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El
> Durazno.  They absolutely refused to take me to
> Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough
> was enough...
>  
>  I

2002 Phone Book of Macias/Durante

Thank you.

Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> 
> Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> >Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Hey, Jose, we could be related!
> >  
> >
> 


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