Other Ranchos Info FYI

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a 
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They 
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of 
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs 
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire" 
 wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny 
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
> (city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I 
really
> enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
> like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda



Pinole

Alberto,
 
My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he would still be there attending Catholic schools and colleges, like his cousins who have remained there to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc.  Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife, and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He lived like a little prince, and all that came to an end when his mother became a single mom with three kids in Northern California.
 
Yes, lots of families moved to California in the twenties, thirties and forties and after after the war.(WWII)  My father who had immigrated from Jerez, Zac. moved us from our farm in Colorado to Northern California (San Jose) in 1947 where he could work as a welder for Westinghouse and make good

Atole Song and El Paso

I actually heard that song when I was a kid in Mexico, but a little 
bit different. It went something like this:

Acerrin, acerran,
los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan y no les dan,
piden queso y les dan hueso,
se les atora en el pescuezo,
y se ponen a llorar.

Steve A.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero  
wrote:
> How about the following song sung to children who are sitting on 
your lap,
> being rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
>  
> Riqui ran, riqui ran,
> Los maderos de San Juan, 
> piden pan, no les dan.
> Les dan un palo detras del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of 
one of
> their arms, and do a gentle chopping on the back of their neck)
>  
> My parents have done this with all of their grandchildren.  The 
children
> used to laugh with glee even though they didn't understand Spanish.
>  
> Has anyone else heard this rocking song?
> Just wondering...
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Emilie Garcia [mailto:auntyemfaustus

Racial Classifications

Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is she on this group also?

gloria

              ~~glo~~





From: jose munoz 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)

I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy of
the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather baptized
as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.

I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
matters is they can not accept the fact they are
Indian decent mixed with espanoles.

I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
espanol

Help With My English: PLEASE!!!

OK, Joseph.

I'll wait while you revise the text.  If you already have something 
worked out with John, I think he can manage the translation on his 
own with no problem.  Of course, if any of you want my opinion just 
let me know.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Victor thanks,
> 
> I have something worked out with John Gonzalez and I would like to 
> include you in it as well if you both don't mind. I would like 
for "me" 
> to try to translate it.I'll do it in sections and I'll then send 
both 
> you and John the section . You guys can email each other until you 
both 
> are in agreement which translated version is easiest for most 
Spanish 
> speakers to understand. then we'll move on to the next section.
> 
> Marge Vallazza is going to do the English upgrade so it will be a 
little 
> while before I have my first section done.
> 
> thanks for the offer and when I'm ready I'll privately send you and 
John 
> the first section
> 
> thanks

Other Ranchos Info FYI

I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny was
born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
(city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I really
enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda 



Atole Song and El Paso

How
about the following song sung to children who are sitting on your lap, being
rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
 
Riqui ran, riqui
ran,
Los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan, no les
dan.
Les dan un palo detras
del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of one of their arms, and do a gentle
chopping on the back of their neck)
 
My
parents have done this with all of their grandchildren.  The children used
to laugh with glee even though they didn't understand
Spanish.
 
Has
anyone else heard this rocking song?
Just
wondering...
Irma



From: Emilie Garcia [mailto:auntyemfaustus@...]

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:59 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atole Song and El
Paso

My husband's great-grandfather came from Jalisco to El Paso in 1895. My
husband was born in El Paso in 1935 on Overland Street.  He last lived in
the Alamitos Projects in the Segundo Barrio until his folks divorced in
1947 and his mother moved them to California.
 
My

Pinole

We lived in a one room apartment near Washington Park,
across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church. 
The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were a
very poor family, there were six of us counting my
grandmother.

El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities for
Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the Los
Angeles. There were many families from El Paso that
moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s, including
one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a couple
of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given the
opportunity.

Alberto.
--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I lived
> across from Sacred 
> Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my
> life.  As a kid, I 
> hated going across the border because it was so
> unfamiliar to be and 
> because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> beggars, and the 
> language.  I was always afraid

Cortes and Sandoval, Tlaltenango, Zac

Esperanza
Our Luna line from
Tlaltenango were born between 1726-1812.  Most of them are children of
Vicente de LUNA and
Feliciana MAGALLANES.  Our direct line ancestor is Ynes Gertrudes LUNA b.
22 Jan 1748 one of ten children of Vicente and Feliciana.  Ynes's sibling
is Joseph Gregorio LUNA Magallanes, I think that is still too far back to be the
GP of your Ma Trinidad LUNA.
I'll keep
looking
Kitty
Cortez



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
latina1955@...
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:45
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Cortes
and Sandoval, Tlaltenango, Zac

Rich and Kitty,
 
While I have been able to find some information (with the help of others)
on Herrera family tree line, I have been rather limited in finding out the Luna
line from Tlaltenango.  Will you visit my information and see if there are
any connections?
 
Esperanza (Lunalatina@...m),
but if you want to respond privately, I use Latina1955@

Help With My English: PLEASE!!!

Victor thanks,



I have something worked out with John Gonzalez and I would like to
include you in it as well if you both don't mind. I would like for "me"
to try to translate it.I'll do it in sections and I'll then send both
you and John the section . You guys can email each other until you both
are in agreement which translated version is easiest for most Spanish
speakers to understand. then we'll move on to the next section.



Marge Vallazza is going to do the English upgrade so it will be a
little while before I have my first section done.



thanks for the offer and when I'm ready I'll privately send you and
John the first section



thanks much. . .gracias a los dos,



joseph





Victor Villarreal wrote:

Joseph, 

I'll do the translating for you. Just give me a little time and I'll 
email you the Spanish version. 

Just one thing.  Should I wait until you make final revisions to the 
English original?  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote

Pelicula en Espanol, Sin Dejar Huella

We just saw a great movie tonight. We rent many foreign movies through Netflix and many movies in Spanish. The spanish movies we most enjoy are the ones from Mexico although you must be careful because many of them are pretty trashy. Through Netflix you can read the movie ratings and reviews on their website and put them on your list to order. Many movies from Spain are also good but sometimes I have difficulty understanding their spanish.
 
The one we saw tonight is called Sin Dejar Huella.  I thought of this group as it began in Ciudad Juarez and El Paso TX, they proceed south to Torreon, Veracruz, Yucatan Peninsula and on to Cancun. It shows the juxtaposition of the Mexican/Español and how the myth is perpetuated that the Español is the better educated, more cultured and the Mexican is less than. It has a great story line, is well done and a good ending. I highly recommend it and it has english subtitles for those who don't speak spanish although you would miss out on the great

Atole Song and El Paso

My husband's great-grandfather came from Jalisco to El Paso in 1895. My husband was born in El Paso in 1935 on Overland Street.  He last lived in the Alamitos Projects in the Segundo Barrio until his folks divorced in 1947 and his mother moved them to California.
 
My husband remembers going with his grandpa "Tata" across to Juarez on the streetcar to do all those things that some of you remember doing. I told my husband about the discussions here, and I asked him if he had ever had atole.  "He said, of course", and he started singing a little song about it:
 
       -----pasen a tomar atole,
              todos los que estan pasando,
              que el alole esta muy bueno,
              y pronto se esta 'cabando----
 
            Then he went into a military like cadence, and some of the rest of the song goes:
 
        -----rana, rana, cola de rana----
 
         -----el zapato de Augustin
                se los puso el chapulin-----
 
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
 
My

Pinole

Where did you live in El Paso at that time? I lived across from Sacred Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my life. As a kid, I hated going across the border because it was so unfamiliar to be and because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the beggars, and the language. I was always afraid, although no one would have harmed me but that's how I was then. Now, I can appreciate everything about it, including the interesting architecture. Marge:)





On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:


Good and sad times:

We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the

early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were

really expensive for us to buy in the United States

(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also

purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El

Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad

remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,

maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were

wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just

Help With My English: PLEASE!!!

Joseph, 

I'll do the translating for you. Just give me a little time and I'll 
email you the Spanish version. 

Just one thing.  Should I wait until you make final revisions to the 
English original?  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Who is the English Major in the group? I really really need help 
getting 
> the following form letter into the proper English before I work 
with 
> John and anyone else that would care to join in translating it into 
Spanish.
> 
> Can someone help me with the English?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: its okay to tear it to shreds and rewrite if that is what it 
needs. 
> All I care about is that the basic information be included.
> 
> ====================
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/. We are a small but 
dedicated 
> group of serious researchers. Here is the description of the group 
from 
> our home page:
> 
> "This group is for

Pinole

Good and sad times:
We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the
early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were
really expensive for us to buy in the United States
(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also
purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El
Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad
remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,
maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were
wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just because
of greed and ignorance.

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> When I was a kid, we would cross the border into
> Juarez with my aunts 
> and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of
> the merchants had 
> a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper
> cones--sometimes piñata-type 
> paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked it...didn't
> get it too often, 
> though.  Marge:)
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero
> wrote:
> 
> >   Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a
>

Help With My English: PLEASE!!!

Who is the English Major in the group? I really really need help
getting the following form letter into the proper English before I work
with John and anyone else that would care to join in translating it
into Spanish.



Can someone help me with the English?



joseph



ps: its okay to tear it to shreds and rewrite if that is what it needs.
All I care about is that the basic information be included.



====================



Hello,



I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/.
We are a
small but dedicated group of serious researchers. Here is the
description of the group from our home page:



"This group is for those
actively searching for their Mexican Genealogy Roots. El objetivo de
este grupo cibernético es para poner en contacto genealogistas serios
que tienen raíces en Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes, y así,
facilitar las investigaciónes genealógicas de los miembros. The intent
but never the requirement is to stay focused on

FYI: 2005/06/27 11:35 M 6.3 OFF COAST OF JALISCO, MEXICO Z= 12km 18.79N 107.34W]

I'm on a list that reports anything larger than 4.5 anywhere in the
world.



joseph



-------- Original Message --------

Subject: 2005/06/27 11:35 M 6.3 OFF COAST OF JALISCO, MEXICO Z= 12km
18.79N 107.34W
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:00:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: Please_Do_Not_Reply_To_This_Email@...




2005/06/27 11:35 M 6.3 OFF COAST OF JALISCO, MEXICO Z= 12km 18.79N 107.34W

        This information is provided by the USGS 
         National Earthquake Information Center.
    (Address problems to: sedas@...)

These parameters are preliminary and subject to revision.

A magnitude 6.3 earthquake OFF THE COAST OF JALISCO, MEXICO has occurred at:
18.79N 107.34W  Depth  12km  Mon Jun 27 11:35:45 2005 UTC

Time: Universal Time         (UTC) Mon Jun 27 11:35:45 2005
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Pinole

When I was a kid, we would cross the border into Juarez with my aunts and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of the merchants had a display of pinole. It was sold in paper cones--sometimes piñata-type paper and sometimes newspaper. I liked it...didn't get it too often, though. Marge:)

On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero wrote:


  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for

breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:



      El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.



Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My

engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their

letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to

pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,



-----Original Message-----

From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Pinole



Talking about food...

I wonder how

Tamales

My wife cooks 95%-99% of the food mentioned so far.
Yes, I'm spoiled, but not overweight, thanks to her.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> We called them tamales dulces.  They are pretty
> good.  Has anyone ever had
> tamales de elote?  Those are wonderful too.  
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Tamales
> 
> 
> Joseph, we must be the other family that eats raisin
> tamales, my mothers
> family is from Jalisco and my Zacatecas family
> thought they were crazy!
> Linda
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> "Mexican
> >>genealogy is like a 
> >>big bowl of tamales, you never know what you're
> >>gonna get".  You may 
> >>pull out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
> >>coconut, sugar and 
> >>raisins.....
> >>
> Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom was the only one
> that made these.
> 
> Boy could

Pinole

  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for
breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:

	El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.

Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My
engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their
letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to
pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,

-----Original Message-----
From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Pinole

Talking about food...
I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is a high
energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed with brown sugar
(Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes either lemon or orange
peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of Chihuahua use it as a staple
food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with meat accounting for about
less than

Tamales

Hi Linda,
	These sound like tamales de elote.  They grind raw corn--not dry
corn.  Corn that you would eat for corn on the cob.  I don't recall what
they mix the ground corn with, but they place the mixture into the corn
husks, again green corn husks and they steam them.  Then you eat them warm
with butter.
Yummy!
Irma 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:49 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tamales

When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in Guadalajara our
hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a roadside stand that she
frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made with corn oil, no meat
fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had never seen that before but
they were very sweet just as they were.

As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I didn't
recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating more healthy,
cooking much plainer and

Tamales

We called them tamales dulces.  They are pretty
good.  Has anyone ever had tamales de elote?  Those are wonderful
too. 
Irma



From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
[mailto:longsjourney@...]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Tamales

Joseph, we must be the other family that eats raisin tamales, my mothers
family is from Jalisco and my Zacatecas family thought they were crazy!
Linda

Joseph Puentes
wrote:




>>
"Mexican
>>genealogy is like a
>>big bowl of tamales, you
never know what you're
>>gonna get".  You may
>>pull
out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
>>coconut, sugar and

>>raisins.....
>>
Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom
was the only one that made these.

Boy could I eat a dozen by myself
right now (but not all Raisin). I
guess I'd have to say that Pork with
lots of "gordo" on the meat are my
favorite. but I can't eat Tamales that
have been cooked, cooled, frozen
and warmed up [well I guess I

The book, ''Rain of Gold ''

Another great read is Sandra Cisneros, "Caramelo".  There's a lot a
great references to the Reyes' family being "cleansed" by having an
ancestor who was from Seville, Spain.  As if marrying a spaniard was moving
"up".  It's a hilarious look a life in Mexico and in "el otro lado". 
Funny funny funny.  Sandra Cisneros is truly gifted.
 
Peggy
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:52 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] The book, ''Rain of Gold
''

A great book to read to get some perspective on how our ancestors lived
and how and why they left during the revolution is Rain of Gold by Victor
Villaseñor, or Lluvia de Oro. I read it in both Spanish and English and I
cried both times. It also gives some insight into what the immigrants
experienced when they came to the US. For those of us who have our roots in
Mexico it's a very powerful book, very

Atole de Pinole

I used to be given "atole" when I was sick, and I didn't like it.  It tasted like liquid glue going down!
 
Emilie
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Margarita Vallazza
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Atole de Pinole
 

My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se
levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little. 
Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, is "habia
una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio, corrio
para su casa."  And she would be walking her fingers up my arm and
tickle me at the end of the story.

Marge:)
On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:42 PM, Victor Villarreal wrote:

> Alicia,
>
>  You beat me to the saying "El que tiene más saliva traga más pinole",
>  but have you heard the one that says "No se puede chiflar y tragar
>  pinole al mismo tiempo"?
>
>  I guess that's the Mexican equivalent of "you can't have your cake
>  and eat it too"
>
>  Victor
>
>  --- In

FOOD and old world traditions

That's something else my grandma would have cooking on her stove...camote. She would serve yams or sweet potatoes cooked in brown sugar (or peloncillo) with milk in a bowl. I never ate them, but my older sister Lissie just loved them.



Marge:)

 

By the way, my father used to like to eat cooked yams in their skin, and he and my mother would pour a little half-and-half and smoosh it in like they were making whipped potatoes.  I eat them out of the skin, too, but I eat them plain.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA.