Nuestros Ranchos Site

The record is for Felipe Martinez and Francisca Javiera Solana daughter of Francisco Duron and Beatriz de la Vega. Grooms parents dont appear to be named

M3CF-N9B record ID in Familysearch.org In the record it first introduces her as the above name and later gives duron. her parents are Francisco Duron and Beatris de la Vega (vera)
there is another record ID that might be them as well with either more complete names or it is a different couple I found a year ago Francisco Gutierrez Duron and Beatris Rodriguez de la Vega I can't remember why I was looking but maybe you know more about this family and can sum it up. I didn't look for Martin parents do you who they are?
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There aren't very many records to review for Juchipila which seemed disheartening at first. But, if Ysidra and Juan Jose M were born around 1800, and they lived into their 50's or even into their 70's --well , you have death records. And there is a death record for Ysidra Luna: parents named, place of origin named, left Juan Medina a widower, 2nd marriage. Juan Medina is still living so look for his record in the Catholic Church register and in the Civil Registration records.

Good Luck on your search, Gloria
Citation

"México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15233-20295-40?cc=1804458 : accessed 1 May 2016), Juchipila > San Francisco > Defunciones 1853-1855, 1870-1942 > image 14 of 463; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas (Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas).

Names--

Groom: Juan Miguel de Luna y Lopez
his parents: Callettano Lopez & Ana Rosalia

Bride: Ana Luis Dias
her parents: Nicolas & Ana Bernarda Aleman

Padrinos: Jose Manuel & Maria Bictoriana
Testigos: Miguel de Herrera & Callettano Juan

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

Saludos pariente, Yo también tengo como ancestros directos a los señalados en el tema. Desgraciadamente no te puedo ayudar con eso porque apenas si los descubrí en estos últimos días.
El motivo de ponerme en contacto contigo más bien es para saber si tienes el acta de matrimonio de Jacinto y de Gertrudis, también en otro post que subiste mencionaste que el era de Tuxcacuesco, cómo sabes que es la misma persona y que sus padres son Angela Sánchez y Diego de Villalbazo? Ojalá me puedas echar la mano

Hasta pronto

I'm having the same problem. It's very difficult to read this new format.

I won't say I'm correct, but looking at the shape of the surrounding letters, it looks like Freide to me, but I've never seen this name before.

That's my guess, anyway. I hope this helps!

Rosalinda

First, Welcome!

I did find and merge records for Narcisco Arellano married to Juliana Villarreal. They do have a son named Refugio. Narcisco's father Rosalio Arrellano may be the same rosalio married to Maria Ambrosia Contreras. I have not reviewed those records as it seems rosalio was either married twice or two separate individuals. On the Villarreal I merged records to 1785 about. If I find that rosalio is married to contreras you can find out by selecting the Star marked WATCH. I have many contreras in my family so she might be family.

Hola Primos,

Yo también e escuchado ese mito de el origen Francés en la región de donde mis padres son en Calvillo, Aguascalientes y Huanusco Zacatecas. Osea que este mito también existe en Calvillo donde la mayoría de la gente tienen ojos azules, rubios y pecosos. Este es el caso de mi familia. Familiares paternos y maternos tienen estos rasgos. Mi abuelo materno tiene ojos azules igual que sus hermanos y madre. La abuela paterna de mi abuelo materno, según mi bis-abuela, tenia el cabello rubio y los ojos color cielo. Los hermanos de mi mama tienen ojos azules, y ella verdes. No nadamas eso pero son rubio y pecosos también, por eso muchos de mis hermanos son rubios y pecosos. También se ven estas características en mi lado paterno, pero mucho mas en mi lado materno. Cuando un primo o un hermano mio nace y sale rubio, ojos azules y pecoso se dice que salio Villalpando porque ese es el apellido de mi madre. Pero estos rasgos son muy común en la región, supongo porque muchos de nuestros ancestros los compartimos con la gente alteña. Pero igual después de hacer mi genealogía no e encontrado ascendencia Francésa, nada mas Española. Pero la gente, usualmente la gente mayor, sigue aclamando ese origen Francés.

Saludos
Roberto Rosales Villalpando Jr.

Alfonso Reynoso Rábago

Durante largo tiempo he estado investigando el origen racial de los Alteños. Hay muchos mitos sobre ello. Se dice que son blancos, rubios, de ojos claros porque los soldados franceses de la Segunda Intervención dejaron su descendencia en Los Altos. En realidad después de muchas búsquedas sólo habíamos encontrado la descendencia de un soldado del ejército francés de origen africano, de raza negra, en Los Altos. Este descubrimiento reportado aquí es extraordinariamente interesante porque fundamente el matrimonio de un soldado francés con una mujer mexicana (tal vez alteña). ¡Felicitaciones a su descubridor!

En realidad algunos de los alteños (no tanto como se dice) son blancos, rubios y de ojos claros no por la Segunda Intervención Francesa sino porque desde muy antiguo algunos de los primeros labradores españoles presentaban esas características. Hay un obispo que habla en su visita pastoral allá a principios del siglo XVII de esas características de los antepasados de los que ahora nos llamamos alteños. (He perdido la cita, si alguien la sabe, le agradecería si me la da a conocer).

Además, si vinieron soldados franceses con ojos azules, esa característica no la podían heredar a sus descendientes si la madre no tenía ella o alguno de sus antepasados esa característica. Eso nos lo dice la biología. Es decir que para tener ojos azules se necesita que tanto el padre como la madre aporten información genética de ojos azules.

Mil gracias por el aporte documental que es de primera.

Un saludo cordial.
Alfonso Reynoso Rábago

« Declaración del pretenso D. Mateo Norinat. ----- En la misma fecha [En la Ciudad de Lagos a veinte y ocho de Dbre. de mil ochocientos sesenta y siete], presente el pretendiente D. Mateo Norinat, integrado con arreglo a la materia bajo la religión del juramento que le tomé e hizo en forma, dijo: que se llama como está dicho, que es originario de Carlat le Comte, en Francia, vecino que fue de Méjico seis meses, en Guadalajara tres, y en Juachi jurisdicción de Ojuelos siete meses, en cuyo punto ha permanecido; soltero de veinte y nueve años de edad, hijo legítimo de D. Martin Norinat, que vive, y de D.a Margarita Crousset, ya difunta: que en efecto intenta contraer matrimonio según el orden de N. S. M. Y. C. A. R. (Nuestra Señora Madre Yglesia Católica Apostólica Romana) con Leonarda Olivares…originaria de esta ciudad y vecina de Juache hace siete meses, célibe de treinta años de edad, hija legítima de Santos Olivares, ya difunto, y de Antonia Vázquez, que vive….”

Dos de los testigos fueron franceses. . . “1º Testigo D. Pedro Pont…originario de Carcassone en Francia, y vecino de esta hace un año, casado, de treinta y cuatro años de edad, e industrioso…” Firmó como “Pierre Pont”.
[[[[[Pedro Pont tuvo varios hijos con Librada Zamora, antes de casarse con ella el 5 de septiembre de 1882.]]]]] { http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcassonne}

“2º testigo D. Domingo Ortolí…originario de Bonifacio en [la isla de Córcega] Francia, y vecino de esta hace dos años, casado, de veinte y nueve años de edad y comerciante….” [[[[Domingo Ortolí se casó con Rosalía Soto el 12 de septiembre de 1866] { http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonifacio}

El pretendiente, “Mateo Norinat”, como dice su certificado de liberación, nació como « Mathieu Basile Naudinat » « hijo de Martin [Naudinat] y de Mme. Marie [Marguerite] Crouzet » vecinos de Carlat le Comte, canton du Fossat, département de l’Ariège, nacido el 21 de enero de 1838, en Carlat le Comte, canton du Fossat, département de l’Ariège, » cabellos negros, cejas negras, ojos rudos, frente redonda, nariz mediana, boca mediana, cara […] talla de un metro 630 milimetros, profesión de Cultivador, último domicilio en Carlat le Comte, canton du Fossat, département de l’Ariège. »

Su lugar de nacimiento es la pequeña aldea de Carla-le-Comte, en el canton du Fossat [Le Fossat], en el departamento sureño de l’Ariège, muy cerca de las fronteras con España y Andorra. Después de la Revolución Francesa se le cambió el nombre de Carla-le-Comte a Carla-le-Peuple y finalmente a Carla-Bayle. {http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla-Bayle} {http://tresordesregions.mgm.fr/Mdir.php?p=cant.php&cl=Fossat&region=73}.

Name: Mateo Norinat
Spouse's Name: Leonarda Olivares
Event Date: 19 Mar 1868
Event Place: Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60419-9 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 221529
Citing this Record
"México, matrimonios, 1570-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCXD-DT1 : accessed 29 Sep 2014), Mateo Norinat and Leonarda Olivares, 19 Mar 1868; citing Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 221529.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Katy,
I, and I'm sure many others, have benefitted enormously from your efforts to index the Dispensas, Capallanas, and Ordenes. Daily I check to see if you've made any new posts and it feels like Christmas when you have. I've been able to find entries that have helped my research from nearly each posting. I understand that school and "life" are priorities, but I also want to tell you how much I appreciate your work. Thank you, Deedra Corona

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Katy first I'd like to thank you for all you share.
Can you tell me where you found the dispensation for Eutimio Banuelos and Gervacia Fernandez?
I checked the dispensations for those years and can't find anything for them
thanks,
Linda Castanon-Long

Hi Katy,

I was going through the capellanias of 1611-1654, and you say image 231 is for Leonor Arias, but I am not finding her on that page at all. Do you have more information on this particular entry?

http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/post/122205071083/capellan%C3%AD…

Thanks!

Sean

P.S. I would be happy to help with indexing, but I will be slow as well since I am in my first year of medical residency.

A study published by Andrés Moreno-Estrada et al. in 2014 used the dataset from the Bustamate lab that was used for the tests of the DNA of Sandra Cisneros and for Jessica Alba. The study was talked about on this site shortly after it was published. You can read the study if you get a free account to Science Mag. You will have the option for free registration when you try to open the link at http://science.sciencemag.org/content/344/6189/1280.full

Once you do you can get all of the details of the DNA results of Native Mexicans and Cosmpolitan Mexicans from all over Mexico including two of the three states this site is dedicated to which are Jalisco and Zacatecas.

Even without free registration you can see the following ADMIXTURE results for different Native Mexican tribes such as Huichol, Purepecha, Nahua Jalisco and other Nahuas, and different Mayan tribes. As pointed out by RJQ the Aztecs were a Nahua tribe. If you notice almost all tribes have the purple which is a group of autosomal SNPs shared by all of them that have the purple. The Huichol have almost all of the very light blue and Mayans have a lot of the orange. The Nahua Jalisco have a mix of the purple, the Huichol light blue, and the orange Mayan. If you also look at the cosmopolitan samples from Zacatecas and Jalisco you will see they also have a mix of purple, light blue, and orange.

In summary we all have a mix of autosomal DNA that the Huichol, Nahua, and Mayan also have because many the SNPs are from many thousands of years ago from when they first populated Mexico around 14,000 years ago and some are from being mixed since several tribes such as the Tlaxcalans and Otomí assisted in the conquest of Mexico.

As far as mtDNA A that Linda mentioned it is all over Mexico and with a Full Sequence mtDNA test, which is the best kind of mtDNA test, she would show to be a subclade of A2. In a 2012 study of Native Mexicans A2 was 55% of Huichol, 57% of Nahua, 49% of Otomí Sierra, and 79% of Maya. That study is at http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0044666 The graph has the mtDNA haplogroups mislabeled but the text of the study and the table have the correct names of A2, B2, C1, and D1.

On the PBS show "Finding your Roots," Sandra Cisneros was given a test that she was the first to receive as it was a new DNA test to show from what tribe, Nation one was from. Several people have left comments to find out what test that was but they have been ignored.

"Which DNA test did Sandra Cisneros take to show her Mayan roots? Dr. Gates mentioned it was new"

The short answer would be no, its very unlikely that someone can factually find of what native tribe their descendants were from, for once, there was too much mixture after the establishment of the colony to say that a line of native ancestry was of a single party, Aztecs were one of many Nahuatl tribes (although some writings would argue that all Nahuatl were Aztecs) and the ones favored by the Spanish, which in turn made their documentation highly romanticized, consequently many people think in all natives from the Mexico region as Aztecs, but the there were many others and vary by regions. Also is important to note that this subcultures are distinguish by language and not biologically, is obvious that while the different tribes migrated, some of them would mix along the way. Thus wouldn't be impossible to find an Aztec with a Chichimeca dna.

I wouldn't say impossible though, may be as time pass, or like when related to some lineages like the Moctezuma's, that were somehow documented and established, their "Ducado" still exist, many other tribes married their aristocrat kids with Spanish to keep their wealth, etc. They may be traceable.

Now if someone wants to know if they have Native blood, regardless of which tribe/culture they come from, then that's easier, as Linda mentioned, dna can't give a bit more information*, also good old plain genealogy with documents can provide many clues, But focusing only on finding this facts is very counterproductive, and for many, disappointing. I personally don't recommended. Mexico, as much denial as there is been for decades, was in fact a "melting pot", all the way from Africa to Asia, from South America to the North, is way better to open the "vault" of our ancestry and be surprised by its content.

*Note, it was known that Asian natives were brought and many were left in Mexico, specially from the Philippines, (and the same the other way around), their christian names makes it impossible to trace with documents, although very small in number, some people may have their dna, but would be considered "native dna" simply because they are Hispanics, don't take my word for granted, as far as I remember these groups are not yet fully distinguishable from each other.

when I had my MTDNA (Mother to Daughter only) it came back that my first Mother was Native American Group A. In Mexico she would have been Nahua and that was part of the Aztec Nation. I have no idea what DNA the men would have had.. Unfortunately I have had no luck tracking that line back any further than 1850 or so in Michoacan, Mexico.
Linda Castanon-Long

did they cite a source for that claim?

Not quite sure if the Hacienda Carro of San Luis Potosi, is the one you are looking for. Before 1799, I believe it was under the jurisdication of Zacatecas. Some of my maternal line is there, but not sure who.

Hi there Rick. I also have been looking into old posts to see what I have missed during my relative dormancy, and there’s some interesting stuff. Your mention of De la Torre caught my attention because I too have a De la Torre dead end that I have not been able to surpass for a really long time. I was going to post about it, but you beat me to it.

I descend from Joseph de la Torre and Isabel de Benavides, vecinos de Tepatitlán. Joseph de la Torre and Ma. Isabel de Benabides were married on Monday, 17 FEB 1710, in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México. Their marriage record literally reads as follows:

"Joseph de la Torre y Ysabel de Benabides, epañoles de esta feligrecia. ----- En el Pueblo de San Francisco de Thecpatitlán en Diez y siete Días de el mes de Febrero de mil setecientos y Diez años, casé por palabras de presente y velé in facie eclecie a Joseph de la Torre Español y a Ysabel de Benabides asi mismo Española Vecinos de esta feligrecia haviendo antes precedido sus declaraciones, información de su libertad y soltería y haverles amonestado inter missarum solemia tres Días festivos y no resultado impedimento ninguno, ni haverlo havido al tiempo de la celebración de el matrimonio fueron testigos, Juan de Mercado, Joseph Gutiérrez Español y otros más naturales que estuberion presentes; Padrinos, Andrés de la Torre y Doña Josepha del Castillo y Torre, y para que conste lo firmé . . . Juan de Portugal y Lozano (firma y rúbrica)."

Their marriage record is in Microfilm # 0218516, Marriages 1686-1735, Foja 48 vuelta. Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México. [I still have old citations from when I sourced them from Microfilms, but I have been methodically upgrading to the FamilySearch.org image citations]

As you can see the Acta does not mention the parents of Joseph and Isabel, and ever since I have been looking for a break-through. I have searched for a dispensa amongst their descendants to see if any of them needed marriage dispensations, but no luck. I suspect they were of course De la Torre-Ledesma and have recorded them as such. I have been looking for a connection to every family unit and marriage in his generation in the nearby Ranchos in Tepa, but to no avail; too many guesses…not enough answers.

¿Sabes algo sobre la ascendencia de Joseph de la Torre e Isabel de Benavides?

These are their descendants down to four generations:

1 Joseph de la Torre Ledesma Born: ca. 1688 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
.. +Isabel Benavides Born: ca. 1692 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Married: 17 Feb 1710 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
. 2 Joseph-Antonio de la Torre Ledesma Born: ca. 1720 in El Cerro Gordo, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
..... +Gertrudis de la Encarnación Pérez Born: ca. 1726 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Married: 8 Feb 1745 in San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Father: Lorenzo Pérez Mother: Luisa Valdez
. 2 Eugenio-Marcelino de la Torre Ledesma Born: ca. 1723 in San Nicolás del Ocote del Cerro Gordo, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
..... +María de los Dolores de Ornelas-Arévalo Born: ca. 1727 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Married: 15 Jun 1745 in San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
..... 3 Joseph-Gabriel de la Torre Born: ca. 1751 in San Nicolás del Ocote del Cerro Gordo, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +Anna María Patiño Born: ca. 1757 in El Ojo de Agua de la Cruz, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Married: 10 Jan 1776 in San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Father: N. N., "Padre no conocido" Mother: Juana Gertrudis Patiño
........ 4 Marcelino de Jesús de la Torre Born: 4 Nov 1778 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
..... 3 María-Josepha del Carmen de la Torre Born: 16 Jul 1754 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
..... 3 María-Petra de la Torre Born: 13 Jul 1756 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
..... 3 María-Guadalupe de la Trinidad de la Torre Born: 11 Jun 1762 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
..... 3 Joseph-Francisco de la Torre Born: 23 Jul 1765 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +Maria-Francisca Ayala Born: ca. 1785 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Married: 27 Feb 1805 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: Juan Ayala Mother: Josepha Lopez
..... 3 Joseph-Clemente Brígido de la Torre Born: 5 Nov 1768 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +María de los Dolores García Born: ca. 1771 in El Gallero, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Married: 17 May 1789 in San Agustín, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Father: Juan-Faustino García Mother: María-Apolinaria Ramírez
........ 4 José-Matías de la Torre Born: 13 Mar 1793 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Luciano de la Torre Born: 8 Jun 1798 in Jesús María, Jalisco, México
............ +María-Manuela Jiménez Born: 17 Jun 1802 in El Llano Grande, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 21 Jun 1802 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 16 Sep 1818 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: Blas-Nicolás Jiménez Mother: María de la Encarnación Morales
........ 4 María-Leonarda de la Torre Born: 17 Nov 1800 in Jesús María, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Alejo de la Torre Born: 24 Jul 1809 in Jesús María, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Isidora de la Torre Born: 21 Feb 1815 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
..... 3 María de San Joseph de la Torre Born: 13 Dec 1772 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +Pedro Joseph García Born: ca. 1768 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Married: ca. 1790 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Father: Juan-Faustino García Mother: María-Apolinaria Ramírez
........ 4 María-Damacia García Born: 17 Feb 1792 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Nicolasa García Born: 29 Sep 1796 in Jesús María, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Basilia García Born: 15 Apr 1801 in El Gallero, Jesús María, Jalisco, México Baptism: 21 Apr 1801 in Jesús María, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Guadalupe de la Luz García Born: 1 Jul 1808 in El Gallero, Jesús María, Jalisco, México Baptism: 12 Jul 1808 in Jesús María, Jalisco, México
. 2 Joseph-Nicolás de la Torre Born: ca. 1735 in La Tuna, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
..... +Anna-Gertrudis Gutiérrez Born: 27 Nov 1745 in El Puesto de Sinagua, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Baptism: 12 Dec 1745 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Married: 15 Aug 1764 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Father: Pedro Gutiérrez de Híjar y Mendoza Mother: María-Magdalena Vásquez de Lara
..... 3 Juana María de la Torre Born: ca. 1765 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +Juan-Joseph Patiño Born: ca. 1760 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México Married: Bef. Jul 1785 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México Mother: Juana-Gertrudis Patiño
........ 4 María-Francisca Patiño Born: 10 Apr 1786 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Ignacia de Jesús Patiño Born: 29 May 1788 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Miguel Sotelo Patiño Born: 17 Apr 1791 in El Sacamecate, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 2 May 1791 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Francisco Patiño Born: 8 Oct 1793 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Francisco Patiño Born: 19 Jun 1799 in El Tule, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 30 Jun 1799 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Félix Patiño Born: 21 May 1804 in El Sacamecate, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 25 May 1804 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Justa Patiño Born: 16 Aug 1809 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
..... 3 María del Carmen de la Torre Born: 12 Jul 1766 in La Tuna, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Baptism: 3 Aug 1766 in Parroquia de San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +Joseph-Francisco Gutiérrez Born: 9 Mar 1764 in Las Tortugas, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Baptism: 25 Mar 1764 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Married: 25 Feb 1800 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México Father: Juan-Joseph Gutiérrez de Mendoza Mother: María de San Juan de Santos y Bustos
........ 4 María-Ignacia Gutiérrez Born: 22 Feb 1803 in El Nopal, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 26 Feb 1803 in Parroquia de Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, México
............ +José-Rafael Salcido Born: 29 Apr 1796 in El Saltillo, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 15 May 1796 in Parroquia de Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 29 Jan 1818 in Parroquia de Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: Joseph Guadalupe Salcido Mother: María-Gertrudis Hernández Gamiño
........ 4 José-Antonio Gutiérrez Born: ca. 1805 in El Portillo, Arandas, Jalisco, México
............ +María de San Juan Orozco Born: ca. 1802 in El Terrero, Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 12 Mar 1823 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: Joseph-María Tello de Orozco Mother: Angela Rafaela Remigia López
........ 4 José-Victor Gutiérrez Born: 21 Jun 1807 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Luisa Gutiérrez Born: 26 May 1809 in El Ocote, Arandas, Jalisco, México
............ +José-María Hernández Born: ca. 1807 in Los Chicos, Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 15 Nov 1830 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: Juan de Dios Nepomuceno Hernández Mother: María-Francisca Navarro
........ 4 María-Rafaela Gutiérrez Born: ca. 1811 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
............ +José-Félix Hernández Montes Born: ca. 1807 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 27 May 1830 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María de San Juan Gutiérrez Born: 4 Apr 1814 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Luz Gutiérrez Born: ca. 1816 in El Portillo, Arandas, Jalisco, México
............ +José-Tomás Hernández Cervantes Born: ca. 1814 in La Hermita, Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 20 Jan 1831 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
..... 3 María-Magdalena de la Torre Born: 30 Jul 1768 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
..... 3 Joseph-Antonio de la Torre Born: 24 Dec 1770 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México
......... +María-Vicenta de Jesús Lomelín Born: 6 Jan 1780 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México Married: Bef. Oct 1797 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: Luis Antonio de Lomelín Mother: María-Magdalena Gutiérrez
........ 4 José-Alejo de la Torre Born: 20 Jul 1798 in El Buche, Arandas, Jalisco, México Baptism: 29 Jul 1798 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
........ 4 María-Epitacia de la Torre Born: 26 Dec 1802 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José de la Encarnación de la Torre Born: 1 Apr 1805 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México
........ 4 José-Luis de la Torre Born: 20 Jun 1807 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México
............ +María-Ventura de Jesús Ruiz Born: 20 Jul 1806 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Married: 8 May 1826 in Arandas, Jalisco, México Father: José-Marcelo Ruiz de Velasco Mother: María-Magdalena Alvarez
........ 4 José-Bernardo de la Trinidad de la Torre Born: 6 Sep 1812 in Arandas, Jalisco, México
..... 3 Joseph-Manuel de la Torre Born: 2 Jun 1773 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
..... 3 Joseph-Encarnación de la Torre Born: 6 Apr 1778 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
..... 3 Joseph-Norberto Encarnación de la Torre Born: 25 Jun 1780 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México

I descend from Joseph and Isabel through their son Joseph-Nicolas de la Torre, and his wife Anna-Gertrudis Gutiérrez, through their daughter María del Carmen de la Torre, on my mother’s side.

Oh, and by the way could you PLEASE!!! Post the link for the dispensa you mention above, must be from Aguascalientes where they got married. I have a feeling the Luis de Lomelín & María del Olmo connection from Querétaro you are talking about that connects to the marriage dispensation of Salvador Clemente De la Torre and his wife María Alexandra De La Torre, is through María Alejandra de la Torre’s great-grandmother Regina de Villaseñor y Cuevas, married to Miguel de Hermosillo, isn’t it? ¿Verdad? What more do you know about Francisco de Villaseñor y Cuevas and his wife María de Lomelín, parents of Regina. My sources indicate they were “Vecinos de La Barca”. I bet you have delved deeper into their origins in the Obispado de Michoacán…¡Me imagino qué sí!

Bueno...hasta pronto

Tu primo,
Steven Francisco Hernández López

Thank you Mary Lou. This is great. I love knowing about the lives of our ancestors. thank you for taking the time to upload this for us.

Danny C. Alonso