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Ruben

There is a Manuel Santos Tinoco who married Maria de San Juan de Esparza on 9 January 1730, in Aguascalientes, but the matrimonial investigation from December 1729 has him "padres no conosidos."

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I would be interested. I began my acquisition of copies of codeces with a gift from the Ex-Consul Gen. of Mexico, José Ángel Pescador. His son lives in Los Angeles and I am sure we can also reach out to him.The head of the Latin American museum of art in Long Beach is also a good friend of mine.he may have access to this material plus any artwork.maybe a conference can be set up where many other people can be invited. It is a fascinating subject.

José de Jesús Legaspi
(213) 247-5020

Please forgive my brevity and any errors. This communication is being sent via my PDA.

> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:02 AM, alice wissing wrote:
>
> There was a posting that asked whether there would be interest in hearing a presentation by Dr. John Pohl about the codices. My answer is an emphatic yes! I've always found the codices fascinating and would love to hear an expert explain what they mean. Are there around 50 members in the L.A. area who would be interested, as well? Please speak up, people!
>
> Many years back I was in a bookstore and found a book about an Aztec codex. The first page of the actual codex was dedicated to a Viceroy Hurtado de Mendoza. I was later told by another researcher that the viceroy had a half-sister named Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, who appears in the genealogy of many people from the Los Altos area. Although I have never been able to substantiate this claim, it left me very intrigued. The researcher who shared that information with me could not remember who had shared that information with him.
>
> Alice

I would be interested. I began my acquisition of copies of codeces with a gift from the Ex-Consul Gen. of Mexico, José Ángel Pescador. His son lives in Los Angeles and I am sure we can also reach out to him.The head of the Latin American museum of art in Long Beach is also a good friend of mine.he may have access to this material plus any artwork.maybe a conference can be set up where many other people can be invited. It is a fascinating subject.

José de Jesús Legaspi
(213) 247-5020

Please forgive my brevity and any errors. This communication is being sent via my PDA.

> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:02 AM, alice wissing wrote:
>
> There was a posting that asked whether there would be interest in hearing a presentation by Dr. John Pohl about the codices. My answer is an emphatic yes! I've always found the codices fascinating and would love to hear an expert explain what they mean. Are there around 50 members in the L.A. area who would be interested, as well? Please speak up, people!
>
> Many years back I was in a bookstore and found a book about an Aztec codex. The first page of the actual codex was dedicated to a Viceroy Hurtado de Mendoza. I was later told by another researcher that the viceroy had a half-sister named Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, who appears in the genealogy of many people from the Los Altos area. Although I have never been able to substantiate this claim, it left me very intrigued. The researcher who shared that information with me could not remember who had shared that information with him.
>
> Alice

I would like to learn more. Venue, compensation, dates, etc.

Paul J Gomez
President, Geneological Society of Hispanic America-Southern California Chapter

Paul J Gomez
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> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:02 AM, alice wissing wrote:
>
> There was a posting that asked whether there would be interest in hearing a presentation by Dr. John Pohl about the codices. My answer is an emphatic yes! I've always found the codices fascinating and would love to hear an expert explain what they mean. Are there around 50 members in the L.A. area who would be interested, as well? Please speak up, people!
>
> Many years back I was in a bookstore and found a book about an Aztec codex. The first page of the actual codex was dedicated to a Viceroy Hurtado de Mendoza. I was later told by another researcher that the viceroy had a half-sister named Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, who appears in the genealogy of many people from the Los Altos area. Although I have never been able to substantiate this claim, it left me very intrigued. The researcher who shared that information with me could not remember who had shared that information with him.
>
> Alice

Alcalde Ordinario - magistrate or the one you would see for the first
hearing

Alcalde Mayor - Administrator of justice, the final administrator of
justice after the magistrate

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Mia Montemayor
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Can anyone in the forum tell me what the difference is between an alcalde
> ordinario and an alcalde mayor?
>
> Mia

R A Ricci...how do I get in touch with you, by phone or email?

I am aware of them. I have a couple re-prints of them, including one for
the Nueva Galicia. They shed tremendous info on the conquista as well as
pre-hispanic history.

*Very sincerely yours,*

*José de Jesús Legaspi*

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM, wrote:

> Are any of you familiar with "codices of Mexico" They are very old
> drawings from the time ancient times of Mexico and also colonial times.
> There are so many of them as I am looking at them.

I am aware of them. I have a couple re-prints of them, including one for
the Nueva Galicia. They shed tremendous info on the conquista as well as
pre-hispanic history.

*Very sincerely yours,*

*José de Jesús Legaspi*

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM, wrote:

> Are any of you familiar with "codices of Mexico" They are very old
> drawings from the time ancient times of Mexico and also colonial times.
> There are so many of them as I am looking at them.

Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez
me uno a la pena que te embarga y espero en Dios te de consuelo y fortaleza descanse en paz .

Hola Ruben,

Donde se encuentra este censo? Tiene un enlace/link?

Gracias
Sergio

And, ojalá for Inch Allah.

*Very sincerely yours,*

*José de Jesús Legaspi*

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Raul Padilla
wrote:

> My Palestinian relatives have also told me about azuc for azucar and zapat
> for zapatos, who knew? Very interesting, I think.
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> > Calzones and pantalones might be Latin in origin, but they're used in
> > Arabic. So they got those words from the Spanish.
> >
> > There are indeed many Spanish words from Arabic, including our names:
> > Guadalupe, Omar, Fatima, Lilia and Medina are just a few that come to
> mind.
> >
> > Arabic language influence on the Spanish language
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_the_Spanish_l…
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> > The point was that the word flow was not Arabic to Spanish since the
> > subject was about Arabic words in Spanish.
> >
> > I was already aware of the Spanish words from Arabic since I was a
> teenager
> > and I wasn't inferring otherwise.
> >
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:47 AM, wrote:
> >
> > > Calzones and pantalones might be Latin in origin, but they're used in
> > > Arabic. So they got those words from the Spanish.
> > >
> > > There are indeed many Spanish words from Arabic, including our names:
> > > Guadalupe, Omar, Fatima, Lilia and Medina are just a few that come to
> > mind.
> > >
> > > Arabic language influence on the Spanish language
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_
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And, ojalá for Inch Allah.

*Very sincerely yours,*

*José de Jesús Legaspi*

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Raul Padilla
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> My Palestinian relatives have also told me about azuc for azucar and zapat
> for zapatos, who knew? Very interesting, I think.
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> > Calzones and pantalones might be Latin in origin, but they're used in
> > Arabic. So they got those words from the Spanish.
> >
> > There are indeed many Spanish words from Arabic, including our names:
> > Guadalupe, Omar, Fatima, Lilia and Medina are just a few that come to
> mind.
> >
> > Arabic language influence on the Spanish language
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_the_Spanish_l…
> >
> >
> >
> > Laura Gonzalez
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> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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> >
> > Hello Laura,
> >
> > The point was that the word flow was not Arabic to Spanish since the
> > subject was about Arabic words in Spanish.
> >
> > I was already aware of the Spanish words from Arabic since I was a
> teenager
> > and I wasn't inferring otherwise.
> >
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:47 AM, wrote:
> >
> > > Calzones and pantalones might be Latin in origin, but they're used in
> > > Arabic. So they got those words from the Spanish.
> > >
> > > There are indeed many Spanish words from Arabic, including our names:
> > > Guadalupe, Omar, Fatima, Lilia and Medina are just a few that come to
> > mind.
> > >
> > > Arabic language influence on the Spanish language
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_
> > > the_Spanish_language
> > >
> > >
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My Greek friends also told me that they use "camisa" for shirt and "pantalones" for trousers. What was the common language that Arabic and Greeks, etc derived from?

> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:13:52 -0700
> From: raulyblanca826@gmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 104, Issue 22
>
> My Palestinian relatives have also told me about azuc for azucar and zapat
> for zapatos, who knew? Very interesting, I think.
> On Sep 28, 2014 3:53 PM, wrote:
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> >
> > Calzones and pantalones might be Latin in origin, but they're used in
> > Arabic. So they got those words from the Spanish.
> >
> > There are indeed many Spanish words from Arabic, including our names:
> > Guadalupe, Omar, Fatima, Lilia and Medina are just a few that come to mind.
> >
> > Arabic language influence on the Spanish language
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_the_Spanish_l…
> >
> >
> >
> > Laura Gonzalez
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:27:16 -0500
> > From: Armando
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common words in Arabic and Spanish
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hello Laura,
> >
> > The point was that the word flow was not Arabic to Spanish since the
> > subject was about Arabic words in Spanish.
> >
> > I was already aware of the Spanish words from Arabic since I was a teenager
> > and I wasn't inferring otherwise.
> >
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:47 AM, wrote:
> >
> > > Calzones and pantalones might be Latin in origin, but they're used in
> > > Arabic. So they got those words from the Spanish.
> > >
> > > There are indeed many Spanish words from Arabic, including our names:
> > > Guadalupe, Omar, Fatima, Lilia and Medina are just a few that come to
> > mind.
> > >
> > > Arabic language influence on the Spanish language
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_
> > > the_Spanish_language
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Laura Gonzalez
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Sorry everyone I attached the wrong file, let me try this again.

Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Arturo Ramos wrote:
I have today made a breakthrough in one of my paternal grandmother's
lineages that takes me back to Jalostotitlan and Tepatitlan. I know
that there are lots of members with Alteno lineages so I am hoping I
can tie in with someone that has researched this family:

Generation: 1
Jose VALLEJO
Jose m. Micaela CORNEJO

Children:
2. (Juan) Lucas VALLEJO CORNEJO

Generation: 2
(Juan) Lucas VALLEJO CORNEJO (1.Jose1)
(Juan) m. Tomasa HERRERA DELGADILLO 30 Jul 1713, Tepatitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.

Children:
3. Micaela VALLEJO HERRERA
4. Juan Lucas VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1725; c. 3 May 1725, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, MEXICO.
5. Miguel Gordiano VALLEJO DELGADILLO b. 1727; c. 13 Jul 1727,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
6. Antonio Justo VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1729; c. 28 Aug 1729,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO; d. 11 May 1789.
7. Francisco Gregorio VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1734; c. 24 Mar 1734,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
8. Ana Gertrudis VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1736; c. 5 Aug 1736,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
9. Nicolas Francisco VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1739; c. 18 Jan 1739,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.

Generation: 3
Micaela VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1)
Micaela m. Francisco Miguel PEREZ FRANCO 7 Dec 1731, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, MEXICO.

Juan Lucas VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1725; c. 3 May
1725, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Miguel Gordiano VALLEJO DELGADILLO (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1727; c.
13 Jul 1727, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Miguel m. Juana Antonia DE LA PAZ CORTES 29 Oct 1755, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, MEXICO.

Antonio Justo VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1729; c. 28 Aug
1729, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO; d. 11 May 1789.
Francisco Gregorio VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1734; c.
24 Mar 1734, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Francisco m. Manuela ZUNIGA Y FAJARDO 3 Nov 1777, Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO. a

Children:
10. Joseph Maria VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1779, Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO;
c. 14 Sep 1779, Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO.
11. Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783; c. 10 Apr 1783,
Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO; d. 27 May 1866, Totolco, Totatiche,
Jalisco, MEXICO.

Ana Gertrudis VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1736; c. 5 Aug
1736, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Nicolas Francisco VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1739; c. 18
Jan 1739, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.

Arturo Ramos wrote: I have today made a breakthrough in one of my paternal grandmother's
lineages that takes me back to Jalostotitlan and Tepatitlan. I know
that there are lots of members with Alteno lineages so I am hoping I
can tie in with someone that has researched this family:

Generation: 1
Jose VALLEJO
Jose m. Micaela CORNEJO

Children:
2. (Juan) Lucas VALLEJO CORNEJO

Generation: 2
(Juan) Lucas VALLEJO CORNEJO (1.Jose1)
(Juan) m. Tomasa HERRERA DELGADILLO 30 Jul 1713, Tepatitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.

Children:
3. Micaela VALLEJO HERRERA
4. Juan Lucas VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1725; c. 3 May 1725, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, MEXICO.
5. Miguel Gordiano VALLEJO DELGADILLO b. 1727; c. 13 Jul 1727,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
6. Antonio Justo VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1729; c. 28 Aug 1729,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO; d. 11 May 1789.
7. Francisco Gregorio VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1734; c. 24 Mar 1734,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
8. Ana Gertrudis VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1736; c. 5 Aug 1736,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
9. Nicolas Francisco VALLEJO HERRERA b. 1739; c. 18 Jan 1739,
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.

Generation: 3
Micaela VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1)
Micaela m. Francisco Miguel PEREZ FRANCO 7 Dec 1731, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, MEXICO.

Juan Lucas VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1725; c. 3 May
1725, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Miguel Gordiano VALLEJO DELGADILLO (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1727; c.
13 Jul 1727, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Miguel m. Juana Antonia DE LA PAZ CORTES 29 Oct 1755, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, MEXICO.

Antonio Justo VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1729; c. 28 Aug
1729, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO; d. 11 May 1789.
Francisco Gregorio VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1734; c.
24 Mar 1734, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Francisco m. Manuela ZUNIGA Y FAJARDO 3 Nov 1777, Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO. a

Children:
10. Joseph Maria VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1779, Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO;
c. 14 Sep 1779, Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO.
11. Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783; c. 10 Apr 1783,
Totatiche, Jalisco, MEXICO; d. 27 May 1866, Totolco, Totatiche,
Jalisco, MEXICO.

Ana Gertrudis VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1736; c. 5 Aug
1736, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.
Nicolas Francisco VALLEJO HERRERA (2.(Juan)2, 1.Jose1) b. 1739; c. 18
Jan 1739, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, MEXICO.

No.
On Oct 3, 2014 5:08 PM, wrote:

> Have any of you have an personal or favorite items such as jewelry,
> watch, painting, etc of your ancestors that was passed down for
> generations?

Do check out our website www.thelegaspi.com and the various malls we own
and or manage in the US. They all celebrate Hispanics year round.

La Gran Plaza de Fort Worth; Plaza Fiesta de Atlanta; Desert Sky Mall in
Phoenix, Panorama Mall Los Angeles, Pacific View in Ventura; Plaza Mayor in
Oklahoma City. We hold Fiestas Patrias and events such as Dia de la Virgen
de Guadalupe.

*Very sincerely yours,*

*José de Jesús Legaspi*

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
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> Somos Primos, October 2014
> Please cut and paste:
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> Dear Primos and Friends:
>
> Lots of good news: Not only is the general public being informed about
> the historic presence of Latinos in the United States through public media,
> more and more of us are making our voices heard by writing, speaking on
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>
> Together we are making a difference. Thank you for your contributions,
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>
> If you have photos of a Hispanic Heritage Month event that you attended,
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>

Alice,
I have been trying to find someone with the Jaurigui name and was wondering if you might have a connection that I haven't found.

My father-in-law Henry Michael Ortega's father was Jose Manuel Jauriqui y Ortega Sanchez. He immigrated from Mexico City to New York in approximately 1933. He changed his name and used aliases but I was able to find his christening record from 30 August 1904 and says he was born 30 July 1904. In the Mexico, Distrito Federal, Parroquia de Santa Ana records. His father is listed as Crescencio Jauriqui y Ortega and his mother as Enriqueta Sanchez.

I was not able to find anything prior to them so I don't know if they come from somewhere other than Mexico City. Could Crescencio Jauriqui y Ortega come from your Jauriqui line that you are researching?

Thanks for any help.
-Julia

That is superinteresting. My family name is Legaspi. My grandfather was Legaspi Jauregui. The Legazpi name came to Nochistlan in the early 1600s. When it first appeared in Tlaxcala w Miguel Lopez de Legazpi who was born in Zumarraga within the Province of Guipuzcoa. The reason Basques were active in the military and subsequent exploration of the world for imperial Spain was because of the iron works and ship building. I would like to know more about your work, Alice.

José de Jesús Legaspi
(213) 247-5020

Please forgive my brevity and any errors. This communication is being sent via my PDA.

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:06 AM, alice wissing wrote:
>
> I found information on a Jauregui family of Seville while reading the book "Linajudos and Conversos in Seville" by Ruth Pike. I think it is possible this family from Seville has a connection to the one mentioned on Nuestros Ranchos. Miguel Martinez de Jauregui was a Northerner from Najera, Logrono (his father from Vergara) who migrated to Seville in the sixteenth century to engage in trade with the New World. He made a fortune shipping iron to America, which was a typical activity of Basque merchants. He also owned a vessel in the carrera de Indias. The woman he married, Isabel Hurtado de la Sal, was the daughter of one of the richest converso businessmen in Seville (converso meaning the family had converted from Judaism to Catholicism). Typically, Old Christians and conversos did not mix, but if the families were wealthy and had business ties, they did.
>
> Because Jauregui did not marry an Old Christian, the Jaureguis became targets of rumors and unfavorable treatment. There was many pruebas (investigations related to the family's background) going on against the family that ended in around1639. Linajudos, professional genealogists who expected bribes, conspired against them.
>
> There were several children but only three names are known. One was a poet name Juan de Jauregui, another was named Lucas de Jauregui. There was also a son named Francisco who was involved in a duel in 1614 because somebody called him a converso publicly. The wounded combatants became determined to get revenge against the family.
>
> Bill Figueroa posted that the earliest Jauregui in our area was named Juan Francisco and he married in Nochistlan, Zacatecas in 1662. He was from Guipuzcoa, Spain. Has anybody seen that marriage entry and were Juan Francisco's parents identified? With the family from Seville being involved in exportation of merchandise to the New World, there might be a connection.
> If anybody wants more details on the Jauregui family of Seville, just e-mail me.
>
> Alice

That is superinteresting. My family name is Legaspi. My grandfather was Legaspi Jauregui. The Legazpi name came to Nochistlan in the early 1600s. When it first appeared in Tlaxcala w Miguel Lopez de Legazpi who was born in Zumarraga within the Province of Guipuzcoa. The reason Basques were active in the military and subsequent exploration of the world for imperial Spain was because of the iron works and ship building. I would like to know more about your work, Alice.

José de Jesús Legaspi
(213) 247-5020

Please forgive my brevity and any errors. This communication is being sent via my PDA.

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:06 AM, alice wissing wrote:
>
> I found information on a Jauregui family of Seville while reading the book "Linajudos and Conversos in Seville" by Ruth Pike. I think it is possible this family from Seville has a connection to the one mentioned on Nuestros Ranchos. Miguel Martinez de Jauregui was a Northerner from Najera, Logrono (his father from Vergara) who migrated to Seville in the sixteenth century to engage in trade with the New World. He made a fortune shipping iron to America, which was a typical activity of Basque merchants. He also owned a vessel in the carrera de Indias. The woman he married, Isabel Hurtado de la Sal, was the daughter of one of the richest converso businessmen in Seville (converso meaning the family had converted from Judaism to Catholicism). Typically, Old Christians and conversos did not mix, but if the families were wealthy and had business ties, they did.
>
> Because Jauregui did not marry an Old Christian, the Jaureguis became targets of rumors and unfavorable treatment. There was many pruebas (investigations related to the family's background) going on against the family that ended in around1639. Linajudos, professional genealogists who expected bribes, conspired against them.
>
> There were several children but only three names are known. One was a poet name Juan de Jauregui, another was named Lucas de Jauregui. There was also a son named Francisco who was involved in a duel in 1614 because somebody called him a converso publicly. The wounded combatants became determined to get revenge against the family.
>
> Bill Figueroa posted that the earliest Jauregui in our area was named Juan Francisco and he married in Nochistlan, Zacatecas in 1662. He was from Guipuzcoa, Spain. Has anybody seen that marriage entry and were Juan Francisco's parents identified? With the family from Seville being involved in exportation of merchandise to the New World, there might be a connection.
> If anybody wants more details on the Jauregui family of Seville, just e-mail me.
>
> Alice

The marriage record is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-351-83

There were many families with the surname Jáuregui. We shouldn't be jumping
to conclusions that it is the same family just because there is a surname
in common. There needs to be more substantial evidence.

Armando

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM, alice wissing
wrote:

> I found information on a Jauregui family of Seville while reading the
> book "Linajudos and Conversos in Seville" by Ruth Pike. I think it is
> possible this family from Seville has a connection to the one mentioned on
> Nuestros Ranchos. Miguel Martinez de Jauregui was a Northerner from Najera,
> Logrono (his father from Vergara) who migrated to Seville in the sixteenth
> century to engage in trade with the New World. He made a fortune shipping
> iron to America, which was a typical activity of Basque merchants. He also
> owned a vessel in the carrera de Indias. The woman he married, Isabel
> Hurtado de la Sal, was the daughter of one of the richest converso
> businessmen in Seville (converso meaning the family had converted from
> Judaism to Catholicism). Typically, Old Christians and conversos did not
> mix, but if the families were wealthy and had business ties, they did.
>
> Because Jauregui did not marry an Old Christian, the Jaureguis became
> targets of rumors and unfavorable treatment. There was many pruebas
> (investigations related to the family's background) going on against the
> family that ended in around1639. Linajudos, professional genealogists who
> expected bribes, conspired against them.
>
> There were several children but only three names are known. One was a poet
> name Juan de Jauregui, another was named Lucas de Jauregui. There was also
> a son named Francisco who was involved in a duel in 1614 because somebody
> called him a converso publicly. The wounded combatants became determined to
> get revenge against the family.
>
> Bill Figueroa posted that the earliest Jauregui in our area was named Juan
> Francisco and he married in Nochistlan, Zacatecas in 1662. He was from
> Guipuzcoa, Spain. Has anybody seen that marriage entry and were Juan
> Francisco's parents identified? With the family from Seville being
> involved in exportation of merchandise to the New World, there might be a
> connection.
> If anybody wants more details on the Jauregui family of Seville, just
> e-mail me.
>
> Alice

Andelmo Perez

So is this census just for Mexico City or all of Nueva Galicia? Anyway which quartel covers which part?

Regards,
Andelmo

Where on the website can I find it?

Jose de Jesus Legaspi

This sounds terrific. It will be great to attend. I will check my schedule and RSVP. Can you tell me how long as the group been together? Any results from the effort? I would be very interested. I have been doing quite a bit of work on this subject matter, especially as it relates to my family name, Legaspi, which has been in area since the early 1600s. I have been able to piece together quite a few branches with noticeable info which has not been confirmed as yet. Also, about Nochistlan and its history relevance to the Nueva Galicia and the subsequent evolution of the Altos de Jalisco.

unfortunately i can't come. it's too far away and i'm not sure how to get transportation there.

They change a couple of days the way of accessing the link for the catholic church records and other collections, they are "hidden" just above the big blue search button: it says "view all 6 collections". I think they are doing that with the collections that are "completed" (whatever that means) and also is not possible any more to attach directly the images to the family tree (although this one happened a while ago)

RJ Quiralta

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.or…
api/sord/collection/1804458/waypoints

-----Original Message-----
From: General [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf
Of Raquel Ruiz
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 19:08
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need Help Accessing Zacatecas Church Records on
familysearch

I am having difficulty accessing Zacatecas Church records on familysearch.
I haven't tried to do so in a long time, and lost my bookmarks when I got a
new computer. I can find Jalisco without a problem, but only see a Civil
Records for Zacatecas. What am I missing?

Thanks for the assistance!

-Raquel Ruiz

Hello Armando,
I'm my brother's administrator for the FTDNA testing.  Recently, I've noticed under haplogroup info a doubling in the 
number of test taken shown.   What's that about?  Were they taken, but just not listed before?
Thanks,  Alice

From: Armando
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Advances in R1b DNA

Over the past few years with 1000 Genomes, citizen scientists, and Geno 2.0
testing new discoveries have been made with Y-DNA especially with  R-M269.

It turns out that a majority of people from Mexico and Spain that are
R-M269 are positive for an SNP marker called P312 and a majority of them
are positive for DF27 and markers below that SNP. Being terminal DF27 is
very rare and most are also positive for a marker below that. A minority of
Mexican and Spanish R-M269 are positive for U106.

You can see the P312 and the DF27 trees in the following links -

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-P312_Descendency_Tree…

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF27_Descendency_Tree…

If you are R-M269 and you want to find out if you are U106 or P312 and
below then you can get a $199 Geno 2.0 test or you can get individual SNP
tests. The cheaper route is with individual SNP tests but you could also
run into a wall by the time $199 in individual tests are done but you get
to choose how many tests you want to get and limit your spending or stretch
it out over a year or two. The fastest and most complete route is with the
Geno 2.0 test.

To get an individual SNP test log into your FTDNA account then select
Orderan Upgrade on the top right then click on
Order an Advanced Test then Test Type then SNP then type P312, or the
desired SNP, then click on FIND then click ADD then NEXT then fill out your
info and so on.

There is a users guide/manual for Family Tree at http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/fhd/community/en/familysearch/family… (October 2013).

Starting at page 72 there are details on how to restore a deleted individual, and from page 73 information on seeing what changes have been made and how to undo them.

If someone sees something questionable in a record, rather than just changing the data, they could start a "discussion" in the system, and if that person is being watched, an e-mail notification will be sent.

If a change is just made, the submitter of the information can also be contacted if they have a valid e-mail address in the system.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I started using it since their beta launch about two years ago I think, I also decide to stop and now I am painfully copying most of the information on my own database, is not just that tree merges can heavily damage the relationships but the fact they decide not to implement a "export" feature after all is quite disappointing. The "one tree" is a nice Idea but also a really complicated one and I think the stuff they have available to program their site are not sufficient, (in numbers), they are actually trying to "bite more than they can actually chew" For the last 10 months I've seen that most of the complains are based on this very same issues and they make very clear that their goal is different from fixing it which is what most users are expecting, sad to say, but I don't think the FamilyTree idea is going far.

Who knows may be in the future with new or better management they can actually bring a good database site, right now the integration with the digital records is practically their main asset.

RJ Quiralta

Arturo Cuellar from the group works for Family Search maybe you can voice
your frustration to him.
On Sep 22, 2014 2:04 PM, "Alice Blake" wrote:

>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/22/14, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > From: Alice Blake
> > Subject: Re: Printing Entries
> > To: "alice wissing"
> > Date: Monday, September 22, 2014, 1:56 PM
> > Hi Alice,
> > Add to my dissatisfaction the elimination of
> > the info that was found on the print-out of the selected
> > entry.
> > Examine older print-outs and find
> > complete references to state, city, parish, contents w/
> > dates, even image number on it.
> > Of course I
> > keep my genealogy info on my computer and memory sticks, but
> > I make copies for members of my family that
> > chose not to own a computer or others that are
> > only mildly interested in our genealogy. You know they
> > really
> > appreciate having the info, but would
> > never do the work themselves. When nicely bound, they make
> > great gifts.
> > Well, thanks for allowing me to
> > vent.
> > Alice
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 9/22/14, alice wissing
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Printing
> > Entries
> > To: "alicebb@att.net"
> >
> > Date: Monday, September 22, 2014, 11:07 AM
> >
> > Alice,
> > I
> > am
> > frustrated, too. I used to zoom in on
> > things and print
> > them and find I can no
> > longer do that. If there is a
> > way to do
> > it, it certainly isn't user friendly.
> >
> > It's funny how the upgrades on FamilySearch always
> > come with a hitch. Blame it on bad
> > programmers.
> > Somehow we have to
> > communicate our dissatisfaction to
> > them.
> > Alice

Erika--

I'll try to answer what I can.

1. The abbreviation is defa, which is short for difunta, which means she is deceased. The scribes will also note when the person still lives.

2. You're correct as to the bride's mother's name. I don't think Florencia is a last name, but I believe she is someone with no last name. The bride's last name is Santana (also noted on the side of the record, along with her father's name). Right after the bride's name in the record (Maria Estefana Santana) is the word coiota, which is one of the racial designations used in colonial Mexican times. Since that suggests an indigenous ancestry, it would make sense that last names may be missing (since many indios really didn't use last names at this time).

3. I can't really help you with this, since my area of familiarity is elsewhere, but I will refer you to the Diccionario Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos by Antonio García Cubas. He lists a solid collection of place names in Mexico (not all places are listed, as it was written some time ago). The link is here: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm .

I hope this helps!

Rosalinda

well why is this child refered to as clovis? and when i put that dna kit number in the one to many, the generation parts shown didn't make sense since this dna is supposedly over 10,000 years old

One of my female ancestors was described as a "hija de padres no conocidos" in her marriage record (partida matrimonial), but in her marriage information (información matrimonial) she was described as a "hija natural (según dicen) de..."; both daughter and mother bore the same surname. I do believe that some children of "padres no conocidos" were, in fact, natural children who deliberately concealed the identities of their parents.

V.Q.C.

i don't really know. i wonder if in some case of hijo(o/a) adoptiv(o/a) the child didn't know who their actual parents were(i think that's the case for some who are labeled as padres no conocido also, but padres no conocidos can also refer to 'natural' children.)

also last names weren't always passed down in a consistant manner. for example, on person on my tree didn't get either parent's last name, and instead got his last name derived from the place he grew up at.

Based on what I've seen on numerous records I can assume that adoption wasn't based on any set of rules per say,(although they exist) and thus the situations behind each case would vary. Closer relatives would be more likely to take kids as their own, now taking a kid didn't mean they were always considered adopted, I think the adoption was "official" when there was some inheritance at stake, but definitely not a rule either.

Taking on a specific surname is not uncommon, even by biological sons/daughters specially among big Spanish families we see often kids making their own "set" of last names, now in your ancestor's case it seems like he could be in fact his adoptive mother relative and thus he used her last name but again, this is not a rule and could easily be that he just was too close to her.

Official adoption is usually not seen too often, but once we read many records we can see that there were many families that "house in" relatives at the point they were considered part of them, and in many cases the true identity behind them is unknown, I wouldn't consider adoption unusual but poorly recorded.

As for records, well they were not really systematic, many information was "loosely" recorded and many things important for us now were left out, some records would barely say anything of the adoptions. Also some kids would be adopted regardless of their parents been actually dead, (like natural or illegitimate) kids, all of this would not appear on records and one have to play detective in order to find more about it. Therefore, even if the records don't mention some aspects it doesn't mean they didn't happen, and the older the manuscripts the more discrepancies we encounter unfortunately.

Hope it helps a little.

RJ Quiralta

Estimada María,

La gran mayoría de mis investigaciones genealógicas las he realizado en los archivos de la Parroquia de Santa María de Guadalupe, de Arandas, Jalisco. Mi apellido por línea agnática es Hernández, que en tiempos del virreinato era conocido como Hernández Gamiño, y conozco muy bien su genealogía.

No todos los que utilizan el apellido Hernández hoy en día son Hernández Gamiño. Pero todos los que sí son Hernández Gamiño y que hoy habitan en, o provinieron de, Arandas somos descendientes de Domingo Hernández Gamiño, el primero en usar este apellido.

Domingo Hernández Gamiño fue hijo de Juan Hernández del Escríbano (alias Juan Fernández y originario de la Villa de Guadalupe, Extremadura) y nació hacia 1595, en Trujillo, provincia de Extremadura, España, y falleció en León el 13 de octubre de 1687. Celebró nupcias hacia 1620 con Juana Gómez de Espejo, nacida ella hacia 1601 y fallecida en León, el 16 de junio de 1653, originaria de Celaya, e hija de Miguel Domínguez de Espejo y de Isabel Gómez Maldonado. Ellos tuvieron 13 hijos, varios que transmitieron el apellido Hernández Gamiño, principales entre ellos siendo Domingo, Cristóbal, Blas, Juan, Diego y Tomás Hernández Gamiño.

Domingo Hernández Gamiño se casó el 7 de mayo de 1642, en Guanuajuato, con Juana Bravo de Lagunas, hija de Garcí Bravo de Lagunas y de Catalina Manrique de Lara, pero su descendencia se estableció en Irapuato, Guanajuato. Cristóbal se casó en León, el 23 de febrero de 1653, con María de Velasco, hija de Pedro Ruiz de Haro y Velasco y de Ana Núñez Bojórquez, y son los genearcas de difundida prole en Ayo el Chico y Arandas. Diego, como era costumbre en aquella época, usó el apellido de su madre apellidándose Gómez Gamiño, y él se casó hacia 1662 con Mencia de Velasco, hermana de María de Velasco, hijas ambas de Pedro Ruiz de Haro y Velasco y de Ana Núñez Bojórquez. Tomás se casó hacia 1673 con Jerónima de Liébana, hija de Juan Ascencio de León y de Jerónima de Liébana, vecinos de Tangancícuaro, Obispado de Michoacán. Blas se casó en Aguascalientes, el 19 de julio de 1654, con Luisa Domínguez, y su hermano Juan se casó en Aguascalientes hacia 1664 con Ana Domínguez, hermana de Luisa Domínguez, hijas ambas de Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos y de Ana Magdalena Domínguez. Las familias de Blas y Juan se asentaron en Aguascalientes, y dejaron descendencia principalmente en Aguascalientes, pero también en Ayo el Chico y Atotonilco el Alto.

Las familias habidas por todas estas parejas fueron los progenitores principales de los Hernández Gamiño de Ayo el Chico, Arandas, Jesús María, Atotonilco el Alto, San Miguel el Alto, Tepatitlán, Zapotlanejo, Lagos de Moreno, San Julián, y otras localidades alteñas. Empezaron a emparentarse con los Ascencio de León, Tello de Orozco, Navarro Gaytán, Camarena, Valdivia, Guzmán, Aceves, y muchas otras familias de aristocracia local. Pero los Hernández Gamiño fueron notorios en la práctica de la endogamia, tanto que hay personas bautizadas ya a finales del Siglo XVIII y en el Siglo XIX que eran Hernández no por los padres, sino los cuatro abuelos y hasta los ocho bisabuelos. Mi padre es Hernández Hernández, y yo mismo soy descendiente de Juan Hernández del Escríbano unas 30 veces.

Los León, eran simultáneamente de Cos y León. Ellos descienden de Joseph de Cos y León y su mujer, Jerónima Ramírez de Coy, vecinos de Jalpa a finales del Siglo XVII. El apellido León o Cos y León se extendió por sus hijos Miguel de León/Cos y León, casado hacia 1716 en Ayo el Chico, con Juana Fuentes, y Mateo Tadeo de Cos y León, casado en Ayo el Chico el 23 de mayo de 1726, con María de la Candelaria Vivanco, hija de Juan Vivanco y de María Magdalena Pérez de Mendoza y Orozco. Una hija de Joseph de Cos y León y de Jerónima Ramírez de Coy, llamada Cayetana Dorotea de Cos y León, se casó el 5 de junio de 1713, en Silao, Guanajuato, con Bartolomé Matías de Castro y Garnica, descendiente de Gaspar de Garnica, conquistador, encomendero y piloto de nao de Hernán Cortés. De Cayetana Dorotea de Cos y León y de Bartolomé Matías de Castro y Garnica descienden los Garnica de Ayo el Chico y Arandas, y son antepasados míos.

Los Jiménez son otra familia arandense de noble alcurnia. Ellos son antepasados de mi tío Manuel Jiménez Pedroza, esposo de Juana Hernández Huerta, la hermana de mi abuelo paterno Ramón Hernández Huerta, familias que se pasaron a vivir a Ocotlán. A mi tío Manuel lo llamaban “El Setenta”, apodo que heredó su hijo Manuel Jiménez Hernández, propietario de una tienda de abarrotes en Ocotlán. Estos Jiménez eran conocidos como Jiménez de Castro en tiempos antiguos. Descienden del connubio entre Manuel Jiménez de Castro, bautizado el 6 de mayo de 1699, en Jalostotitlán, e hijo de Juan de Dios Jiménez de Castro y de Francisca Gutiérrez de Mendoza, y Catarina Navarro Gaytán, nacida hacia 1705 en Ayo el Chico, e hija de Bartolomé Navarro Gaytán y de Juana Tello de Orozco. Manuel Jiménez de Castro y Catarina Navarro y Orozco se casaron el 27 de abril de 1728, en la Parroquia de San Agustín de Ayo el Chico, y tuvieron doce hijos, nueve de ellos dejando bastante descendencia. Yo no desciendo directamente de esta pareja, pero si desciendo de los padres de ambos. De solo Juan de Dios Jiménez de Castro y Francisca Gutiérrez de Mendoza desciendo dos veces, y de Bartolomé Navarro Gaytán y de Juana Tello de Orozco una vez.

En cuanto a la genealogía suya y de su esposo, es necesario plantear preguntas específicas sobre personas y datos específicos, y entre más antiguos mejor. ¿Cómo se llamaban los abuelos, bisabuelos y tatarabuelos suyos y de su esposo? ¿Cuándo nacieron? Recuerde que si no sabe fechas exactas, por lo menos aproxime las fechas. Esto ayudaría muchísimo. Si puede extender su información hasta mediados o el fin de los 1800, le prometo que le podría ayudar. He recopilado muchísima información sobre todos los apellidos fundamentales de Arandas, y los apellidos que emparentaron con ellos. Tengo tantos datos que pienso algún día publicar un libro sobre precisamente este tema: la historia genealógica de Arandas.

Entonces espero pronto oír de Ud. con preguntas concretas sobre su historia familiar. Sólo así le puedo ayudar.

Atentamente,
Su primo Paco,
Steven Francisco Hernández Gamiño y López de los Reyes
(Steven Francisco Hernández López)

Es muy probable basado en mis busquedas que HErnandez es HErnandez Gamino, y Leon
es la familia Cos y Leon. Ojala esto ayuda en algo.

Daniel Méndez Camino