Any Suggestions For Researching A Common Name..?

Hello, I have been trying to find my great great grandfather for some time now with no success. He has a more common name than some of my other ancestors whom I have already discovered.

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On the "plus" side is that he was born about 1856. That's far back enough that there ARE some records available. I assume you know a little bit about him/his family.

The most important thing is where was he born (or your best guess). If he was born in Mexico, then try Family Search.org https://familysearch.org/. Try seacch using each Mexican State. i.e. Juan Perez (Peres) Jalisco, Mexico using a larger year span like 1836 - 1876. Keep repeating until you use all Mexican States.
You should be alert that many Mexican individuals have 2 or more first,middle names/ Saint's name and 2 surnames (father and mother). Family Search,org let's you include his wife and parents in the search. Use whatever info you have; if all you have is a wife's or mother.s first name, then use that in your search.

I've encountered several name variations of the same individual. l.e. Juan Perez/Juan Peres/ Jose Juan Perez/ often the individual uses his mother's maiden name. If you know it, then also

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Hello Jose,

I will try going state by state. I have done the rest many times over.
Hopefully I can get a hit by trying this way.

Thank you very much,

Kristine

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Kristine, although the folks at familysearch.org have done an outstanding job with respect to making records available, you can't always rely on using the search engine to find your records. For example, my great grandmother and all her siblings were baptized in the late 1800's and early 1900's in the city of Durango. Only the half baptized in the 1900's could be found when I tried to locate them simply by searching the indexed names.

It wasn't until I went page by page through all the baptisms for a 15 year period that I was able to find all but one record. With several churches to select from, I was lucky that I knew which one they attended.

If you can locate marriage records for the children, the record or the Informacion Matrimonial will sometimes state where the parents were originally from.

If you haven't already done it, look to see if there is a civil record for his marriage or the birth of the children as well. Once again he will have stated where he was from originally

Mariana de Lomeli y Juan de Dios Jimenez of Mexticacan, Jal

Hello Everyone,

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Roberto,

Check the following to see if you can find some more clues.

Dispensa of Gaspar de Lomelín. Look at the witnesses also.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18842-17?cc=1874591&wc…

Marriage of the son of Gaspar de Lomelín.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-45517-18?cc=1410092&wc…

As Enrique suggested, always look for the Información Matrimonial records, even for descendants since sometimes they will have witnesses which provide more clues.

Armando

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Hi Armando,

Thank you very much. I am now wondering whether Maria Rosa Ximenes was sister of Juan de Dios Ximenes, and Mariana de Lomeli and Gaspar de Lomeli were siblings as well. According to other resources Gaspar had a sister named Mariana, and the time frame is somewhat close.

Thank you

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Hi,
I'm not related with the Nochistlán families but have you tried reserching on the Información Matrimonial records? It seems that the year of their marriage has already registers on the Información Matrimonial book. Start lookig 2 months before the marriage or so, because I've seen that sometimes the process for getting married began at that time or even one month before or one month after. If you find their information record you'll find the their parents' names and maybe more details.

Enrique Agraz

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Hi Enrique,

Thank you for the suggestion. I did try looking for the Información matrimonial of Nochistlan during that period, there is no récords for información 1707-1730. Do you know where I can find the informacion matrimonio somewhere else?

Thank you
Roberto Rosales Villalpando
Riverside,CA

The elusive Petronila de Moctezuma document

I took another look at what Chipman says in "Moctezuma's Children" concerning the litigation concerning Tacuba and Ecatepec in an attempt to focus research efforts in the search for documents naming P

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Thanks to the work of John Schmal ... see http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449

Ana Sotelo de Mocetzuma was baptized September 7, 1553, in Mexico City.

Citation:

"México, Distrito Federal, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1514-1970," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9758-14785-61?cc=1615259&wc=… : accessed 16 Jan 2014), Mexico, Distrito Federal, Catholic Church Records, 1514-1970 > Mexico, Distrito Federal, Catholic Church Records, 1514-1970 > Asunción Sagrario Metropolitano (Centro) > Bautismos de españoles 1536-1546, 1552-1589 > image 219 of 1003.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Hola grupo,

¡Aquí les va una en inglés…pero no se empiquen!

In John P. Schmal’s January 8, 2014 internet article “Moctezuma's Descendants in Aguascalientes: Tracking the offspring of the last Aztec monarch” [ http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449 ], he mentions that Leonor de Valderrama and her husband Diego Arias de Sotelo had the following children:

1. Don Fernando de Sotelo, the third encomendero of Tarímbaro and San Cristobal Ecatepec. He later became the Mayor of Colima and died sometime after 1604.
2. Don Cristobal de Sotelo Valderrama was married Juana de Heredia Patino in 1594 in Mexico City and is believed to have died in 1607.
3. Dona Ana de Sotelo Moctezuma, baptized Sept. 7, 1553 in Asuncion Parish, Mexico City. She became a nun.
4. Petronila Moctezuma (Montezuma). She was married to Martin de Gabay, also known as Martin Navarro.

He also writes the following:
In addition to locating the baptism of Ana in 1553, we discovered a 1594 marriage document from the

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Carlos Peredo

Dear Denise, George, Steven et al

It may seem a small thing to have one or two rediscovered new facts about "The Sotelos", but I believe , to us it´s a matter of much joy, because we know that sometimes just to find a hard fact, a precise date, a precise relationship some people spent long hours, days, weeks , and in some cases even YEARS ! - I just remembered Don Guillermo Tovar saying that -in some instances- researching for one single fact, he had to travel many thousands of miles and spend a lot of time and money.

So George, thank you very much for sharing the date and link to the baptism of Ana de Sotelo Valderrama and the date of the wedding of Don Cristóbal de Sotelo.

About the death of Doña Leonor de Valderrama it was already stablished days ago that she should have died around 1557 and that she married in the end of 1550 or the beginning of 1551 because Don Diego Arias Sotelo arrived in Mexico in 1550, this implies that Diego and Leonor didn´t have the chance

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Steven

Thank you for do the transcriptions! These documents are a real challenge to read!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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The doctoral dissertation, Margo Tamez, "Returning Lipan Apache Women's Laws, Lands, & Power In El Calaboz Ranchería, Texas-Mexico Border" cited by John Schmal has two interesting appendices entitled "Resolving Petronila de Moctezuma and Marina Leonor de Moctizuma (sic): Narrative".

The appendices do not add documents in our quest, but provides her views and examines three theories regarding Petronila:
(1) She descends from Leonor de Moctezuma, granddaughter of Tecuichpotzin and Hernando Cortes
(2) She was the daughter of Mariana Leonore de Moctezuma and "Acatlan" (questioning whether "Acatlan" is a name, or better referred to as "Noblewoman of Acatlan").
(3) She was the daughter of Pedro Moctezuma (he was the son of Moctezuma and Maria Miahuaxochitl) and one of his indigenous wives.

She concludes that the second theory is more plausible.

The discussion is quite interesting in examining the role of "high status indigenous women" in the Spanish colonial society.

There is

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Hi George

I too have wondered where to go from here. I have come to the conclusion, that I will contribute where I best can, by going through records which are comprehensible to me. To that end, I have just last night begun going through marriages from Mexico City from the 1570's on the chance that the elusive Petronila will show up as a padrina, and then I will have located her at a specific place and time, and linked her to a specific social network. I would be happy if someone wanted to go to the same film, find the last image from the 1500s (image 282), and work backwards....the link to the last image of the 1500's is here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9748-17804-19?cc=1615259&wc=…

On this film, there is a gap from 1589 to 1629, therefore I have no immediate plans to look beyond image 282.

The source of the image is:

"México, Distrito Federal, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1514-1970," index and images, FamilySearch (https:/

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Yesterday Steven Hernandez Lopez (in the Petronila de Moctezuma y Martin Navarro thread) posted a link for a recently published article from John Schmall: http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449 .

In this work he cites the reference for the matrimonial investigation for Cristoval Sotelo Valderrama and Juana Patino de Heredia that he found in the Diocesan records of Mexico City. The record is at Family Search in "Mexico, Distrito Federal, Catholic Church Records, 1514-1970; Arquidiocesis de Mexico (Centro); Information matrimonial 1588, 1589, 1591, 1592 ... 1679" and begins at image 96, and continues for 5 pages.

The document is dated 1594 and the handwriting is difficult to read, although the images are quite clear.

The document names his parents, Diego Arias Sotelo and Dona Leonor de [illegible], and wife-to-be, Dona Juana Patino de Heredia, and her parents Baltasar de Bargab (probably not correct) and Dona Francisca de Heredia. Baltasar's surname seems to be on two lines, and is

Introduction

Hello everyone:

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welcome.. you did not say who the lines are that you are researching or where in Mexico they are from.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

On Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:19 PM, "pnpcastillo@centurylink.net" wrote:

Hello everyone:

This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8 years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other enthusiasts.

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Linda: I'm researching my husband's grandmother's family, the Gomez, Anguiano, Lopez, Robalcava and Soto families from Paso de Sotos (now known as Villa Hidalgo)and Teocaltiche, Jalisco and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

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pnp,

Sorry, I don't have your name, only your email address,

We may have ancestors in common, the Lopez and Rubalcava from Villa Hidalgo
and Teocaltiche.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:25 PM, wrote:

> Linda: I'm researching my husband's grandmother's family, the Gomez,
> Anguiano, Lopez, Robalcava and Soto families from Paso de Sotos (now known
> as Villa Hidalgo)and Teocaltiche, Jalisco and Aguascalientes,
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I like, Alicia, believe we could have certain common ancestors. I would like to compare ancestries along with Alicia, it would be nice to see where we branch off. A part of my mother's ancestry can be traced back to Calvillo and Teocaltiche. I descend from people with the surnames of López, Soto, González de Ruvalcaba, etc.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
San José, Ca

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Daniel: Thanks for responding to my post, as I corresponded to Alicia, my husband, Paul's 2x grandmother was Ma. Timotea Lopez married to Juan Gomez, they lived in Villa Hidalgo. Paul's Soto line comes through his 2x grandmother, Ma. Tranquilina Soto, married to Agustin Anguiano, they also lived in Villa Hidalgo. What I have been able to find is that Ma. Timotea's parents(Antonia Lopez/Christobal Lopez)came from Teocaltiche. I've also traced the family of Ma. Tranquilina to Teocaltiche.

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Alicia: Hopefully, I'm responding in the post the right way (?), my husband's name is Paul and my name is Peggy. My husband's 2x grandmother was Ma. Timotea Lopez, married to Juan Gomez. I believe Timotea's parents were Ma. Antonia Lopez and Christobal Lopez. Do any of these names sound familiar to you? As far as I can tell, the Rubalcava family were much earlier. Thanks for responding to my post, Peggy

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Peggy, my Lopez and Rubalcava ancestors in Teocalitche and Villa Hidalgo
date back to the 1700's, so your husband's grandmother is too recent for
me. After marriage, they migrated to Jalpa and then Nochistlan.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:18 PM, wrote:

> Alicia: Hopefully, I'm responding in the post the right way (?), my
> husband's name is Paul and my name is Peggy. My husband's 2x grandmother
> was Ma. Timotea Lopez, married to Juan Gomez. I believe Timotea's parents
> were Ma. Antonia Lopez and Christobal Lopez. Do any of these names sound
> familiar to you? As far as I can tell, the Rubalcava family were much
> earlier. Thanks for responding to my post, Peggy

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Peggy, my Lopez and Rubalcava ancestors in Teocalitche and Villa Hidalgo
date back to the 1700's, so your husband's grandmother is too recent for
me. After marriage, they migrated to Jalpa and then Nochistlan.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:18 PM, wrote:

> Alicia: Hopefully, I'm responding in the post the right way (?), my
> husband's name is Paul and my name is Peggy. My husband's 2x grandmother
> was Ma. Timotea Lopez, married to Juan Gomez. I believe Timotea's parents
> were Ma. Antonia Lopez and Christobal Lopez. Do any of these names sound
> familiar to you? As far as I can tell, the Rubalcava family were much
> earlier. Thanks for responding to my post, Peggy

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Welcome

pnpcastillo@centurylink.net wrote:

Hello everyone:

This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are
looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching
my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8
years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other
enthusiasts.

Aguayo and Becerra

I found a second earlier marriage certificate for my 5X Candido de Aguallo marrying a Anna Gertudis Ballejo on 18 Dec.1753.

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Hi Jaimie,

I Also am researching the Aguallo family for my wife (Michelle Martinez Williams) who is the 2nd great grand daughter of Magdaleno Martinez who married Maria Eduvviges de Aguallo. This would make her the 5th great grand daughter of Diego de Aguallo and Francisca Veserra of Nochistlan.

I believe there is a connection for Diego de Aguallo to Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and that they may be his parents.

The connection is in the marriage record for Candido Aguallo to Anna Gertrudis Ballexo (* see listing below). The Padrinos are Macario Aguallo and Maria Monica Duran. The Macario Aguallo listed is Lucio Macario de Aguallo son of Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and may be the uncle to Candido de Aguallo.

I'm not sure about all this but the time period is right that Diego could be a son of Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and there seems to be a family connection.

Let me know what you think.

Thank you,
Johnny Williams

1st Marriage: Matrimonios

Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Diaz de Leon - rama Ojuelos Jalisco y Pinos Zacatecas

Hola primos,

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LOS GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO

Los antecedentes históricos de la familia González-Hermosillo se remontan a finales del Siglo XVI en la Nueva Galicia, pues vivieron y tuvieron propiedades y mercedes de tierras en Lagos, San Juan de los Lagos y Teocaltiche. Sin embargo, los González Díaz de León propietarios de Preciado, Cañaditas y Presa Nueva, entre otros ranchos y haciendas en Pinos Zacatecas y Ojuelos, Jalisco, tienen un origen histórico muy bien definido genealógicamente.

Descienden directamente de don Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Alderete, que nació en Teocaltiche hacia 1680. Él estudió unos cuantos años en el seminario Conciliar de Guadalajara sin llegar a tomar los hábitos, no obstante adquirió una esmerada educación, superior al común de la población. Vivió su juventud y se casó con doña Lorenza Manuela de Cabrera en el Real de Asientos a principios de Siglo XVIII. Los Cabrera venían de pueblo de Cuquío replicando lo que hicieron innumerables familias alteñas que

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Kevin Kern - Through the Veil

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: pipo957@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 20:01:24 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Preciado
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> LOS GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO
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> Los antecedentes históricos de la familia González-Hermosillo se remontan a finales del Siglo XVI en la Nueva Galicia, pues vivieron y tuvieron propiedades y mercedes de tierras en Lagos, San Juan de los Lagos y Teocaltiche. Sin embargo, los González Díaz de León propietarios de Preciado, Cañaditas y Presa Nueva, entre otros ranchos y haciendas en Pinos Zacatecas y Ojuelos, Jalisco, tienen un origen histórico muy bien definido genealógicamente.
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> Descienden directamente de don Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Alderete, que nació en Teocaltiche hacia 1680. Él estudió unos cuantos años en el seminario Conciliar de Guadalajara sin llegar a tomar los hábitos, no obstante adquirió una esmerada educación, superior al común de la población. Vivió su juventud y se casó

Francisco De Alvarado and Francisca Ruis De Esparsa

Hello everyone,

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Hi Norberto
I would like to take a look at the info on the marriage to see if i can help in any way. It would be good if you posted the names and date of the marriage, the full citation, and the link to the image.

Regards
Denise
Fastrup

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Hi Norberto

I found a daughter Maria de la Rosa who married Joseph Martin in 1710, which you probably already have, but below is the info just in case. If you have not already done so, you might want to see the info matrimonial for her and her husband, because sometimes uncles or other relatives are there as testigos. Info matrimoniales in that church go back to 1699.

link to the image of the marriage:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-36120-98?cc=1874591&wc…

film no 641015 image 164

Citation:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-36120-98?cc=1874591&wc… : accessed 10 Jan 2014), Ciénega de Mata > Inmaculada Concepción > Matrimonios 1667-1757 > image 164 of 456.

from the Family Search index:

Name: Joseph Martin
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Maria De La Rosa Y Albarado
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace

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Denise,

Thanks for your help. I really appreciate any ideas or clues anyone can give me. John Schmal and Inhave gone back and forth abt this couple for a long time. This weekend I plan on going through the informacional matrimonios on familysearch.org. The book that contains 1675 is all chopped up as far as chronological order goes. Going page by page just might find me the record.

Thanks again and I'll keep everyone posted. By the way, I do have that marriage record you posted. Their daughter in that recordnis a great grandmother. That record is what led me to Francisco and Francisca many years ago (early 2000s).

Norberto Menchaca Morales III

Jose Felix De la Torre's paternal ancestry

hello Felix,

I worked on the family tree of a first cousin of yours named Graciela. Her mother is a daughter of Nicolas De la Torre and Maria de la Luz Martin.

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Hello miggygutierrez
The previous post is about graciela's ancestors. Graciela is married to your nephew Felipe
Some ofThe same lines that graciela is related to me she is related to you and of course her husband Felipe. She is actually related to me more often and I think maybe one generation closer.

Documentation of Petronila (Gabadi) Moctezuma

The parentage of the Gabadi sisters continues to be a subject of much discussion.

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Hello Scott,

I don't doubt that the document that provides the ancestry of Petronila de
Moctezuma was found by don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa but as I have said
before we want to know what kind of document it is and when the book will
be published if they still plan to publish it and so on. That really is the
only document that we need at this moment. The others do not help in
proving the link between Petronila and Moctezuma II.

ITEM (2) The link that you provided
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
that the session has expired when clicked on. Apart from that the
link doesn't show on the Nuestros Ranchos site. Those type of links don't
show up.

Therefore, the advanced search has to be done at
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100 but
you don't have to select anything before pasting MP-ESCUDOS,211 into
the Signatura:
field. All that has to be done after that is to click

i found a priesthood document(i think) for a francisco cid

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I don't know if they mention other family members since the document is long and hard to read, but he was from an important family since his father was an "oidor" or judge.
On image 475 it says that when Juan González Cid arrived to the kingdom very poor since "coming to take over his post he had a storm in the sea by the Campeche coast and lost all the goods he had, escaping just with his life and his family". It seems that because of that he has not been able to get two of his daughters married (I guess he can not pay the corresponding dowries).

Victoriano Navarro

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El Bachiller Don Francisco Sid, presbitero domiciliario de este obispado, como mas me convenga, digo que para ocurrir ante su Majestad y _ su Real Consejo de Indias me es necesario hacer informacion de como soy hijo legitimo del señor _ _ Don Juan Gonçales Sid, oidor mas antiguo de esta Real Audiencia y de la Señora Doña Ana de Esponosa su legitima mujer....
He is requesting a "canongía en una de las iglesias catedrales de esta Nueva España", so he is applying for a post in a Cathedral.

Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro

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does the doucment mention any other family members besides his parents? some part of the whole doucment(it starts on page 471 and ends on the left side of page 495). one confusing part when someone (not sure who) was refered to as poor, which is confusing since i thought only those from wealthy family could become clergy men back then

Aro Avila (Sementera, Atolinga, Tlaltenango)

Comparto la la siguiente investigación que realicé.

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Hola Diego,

Disculpa la tardanza (7 meses!!!!) de esta respuesta. Tal vez ya has
encontrado los datos que buscabas sobre “Aro y Ávila”. Hasta hora e
podido ponerme masa o memos al corriente de todos los “posts” de Nuestros
Ranchos.

Me da gusto saber que tenemos los mismos ancestros. Tengo la misma
información que diste empezando con Thomas de Haro y María Ávila, con solo
unos datos pequeños de diferencia y alguna información adicional:

1- Antonio Julián Haro se caso con Rita Margarita Serrano en
Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román el 10 de enero de 1787.

2- Según mis datos, la madre de Rita Margarita Serrano es María
Candelaria Ramírez no Castillo.

3- Además de María Lucia Haro, Antonio Julián Haro y Rita Margarita
Serrano tuvieron los siguientes hijos: María de la Cruz, María Rita, María
Eusebia de Jesús, Juana Vitor Modesta, Juan Joseph de la Trinidad, y José
Cirildo de Jesús.

4- Según mis datos, los abuelos de José María Serrano Hermosillo son
(línea paterna)

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Soy decendiente de Tomas Aro y Maria Avila. por la hija
1 Maria Eugenia de Aro casada con Antonio Castaneda.
2 Julio de Jesus Castaneda casado con Maria Refugio Gonzalez.
3 Maria Romula de la Trinidad casada con Pedro Jose Artega.
4 Sus hijos Todocio Arteaga (Juana Saldana) y Felix Arteaga (Dolores Castaneda) son mis bisabuelos y Estefana Arteaga (Jose Cruz Perez) y Pablo Arteaga (Maria Buenaventura )son mis tatarabuelos.

Is there a problem with the mailing list e-mails?

Has something happened with the mailing list? I have not received one in several days, but new postings are being made on the website.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
I also have not received mail from nuestros ranchos in quite a while. Don't know what's happening.

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The email distribution system is in need of being brought up to the most
current update. That takes a lot of time and unless we as a group take up a
"Serious" collection to find a paid programmer we'll just, for the time
being, need to go to the website and read the latest emails from there. One
day in the near future Arturo our professional, but yet volunteer,
programmer intends to bring the website up to the most current update, but
until then we'll need to visit the website for the most current information.

Thank you to everyone for being patient. I'm sure we all appreciate Arturo's
efforts in single handedly (via the new technology) bring the membership
from 100 members when we were at Yahoo to a number that is approaching 900
now.

Thank you Alicia for sending this message and giving me the opportunity to
update everyone on our situation

I hope the following gives the gist of the above:

El sistema de distribución de correo electrónico está en la necesidad de ser
educado para la

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Joseph,
I have offered in the past to help a few hours a week with the website. I didn't hear back after your email saying you would forward my offer to Armando. I am still willing to help, if you have something I could do.

Leni Rivera

> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:27:46 -0500
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You: Website - Update: RE: Ranchos website
>
> The email distribution system is in need of being brought up to the most
> current update. That takes a lot of time and unless we as a group take up a
> "Serious" collection to find a paid programmer we'll just, for the time
> being, need to go to the website and read the latest emails from there. One
> day in the near future Arturo our professional, but yet volunteer,
> programmer intends to bring the website up to the most current update, but
> until then we'll need to visit the website for the most current information.
>
> Thank you to everyone for being patient. I'm

Catalina de la Cadena was not a bigamist

There were many Ruy Diaz de Mendozas.
most genealogist think that they have kept track of the fathers and sons and have not confused them.

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I forgot to add that Mariana married as her first husband, her maternal uncle (Cristobal Onate) and
A son of hers (Diego Temino de Banuelos (2))from her second husband (Baltazar Temino de Banuelos Alcocer), married his cousin
This Diego (2)and his cousin catalina de Onate who were the parents of
diego (3) Baltazar(2) and Ana Maria Banuelos, the wife of Francisco Figueroa de Carvajal

I have found the information on Guiomar Cervellon the wife of ruy diaz de mendoza

Guiomar Cervellon is the daughter of Berengarus Arnoldus (iv) Galcernadus de Castro y Pinos Senor de Lacuna and Estefania de Centelles

Aka Berenguer Arnaldo (IV) Cervellon, XX Senor de Lacuna
his will, dated 31/Aug1516, names her as his daughter and Ruy (Rodrigo) de Mendoza as his son in law

the Cervellon descend from Conde Kerhart de Astoberg, Principe de Alemania and Clotide de Bavaria from the 7th century

Investigando a la familia Franco de Tepatitlan, Jalisco

He estado investigando durante aproximadamente 2 años y he chocado contra una pared.

Comments

Comment

Hello Anita,
I'm also fairly new at this too; but we learn by doing and helping. I looked at the marriage and it does say that Blas Esteban is Mestizo (right after his name--"mest"). To me it also looks like the mother's name may be Becerra--although it only has one R in the document. I tried with all of the combinations I could figure and unfortunately I had no luck either. Remember that the Franco family also went by Franco de Paredes and sometimes Paredes.
Good luck,
Deedra Corona

Comment

Anita Rodriguez

Deedra, thanks for responding to my post. I appreciate any help I can get.
I've been searching the death records and found a person that could be Blas Esteban's wife. I'm including the link

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-383-74?cc=1874591&wc=M…

It's on the top left side of the page. I have a hard time reading these records. What do you think? Thanks
Anita

Comment

Anita Rodriguez

Just to make a correction on my last post. Michaela Becerra was not Blas Esteban Franco's wife but his mother (wife of Pedro Franco.)

Comment

In some of my Franco lines from Tepatitlan, they used Perez de paredes, Perez-Franco, Franco-Perez, Franco de paredes one line sometimes used Casillas as that was an illegitimate line
These names were used interchangeably and could change from one generation to the next

consanguinity & affinity

Very important concepts to know when searching catholic parish records,from the Facebook page Evidence Explained:
Consanguinity and Affinity:

Comments

Comment

Thank you for posting this information. Consanguinity, and the dispensations for it, have always been confusing to me. However, after reading the Canon Law on consanguinity and affinity, I can only quote Harry Belafonte: "It was clear as mud, but it covered the ground, and the confusion make the world go 'round".

I remain as confused as I ever was.

Linda
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 13:06:08 -0800 (PST)
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] consanguinity & affinity
> Message-ID:
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>
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> Very important concepts to know when searching catholic parish records,from the Facebook page Evidence Explained:
> Consanguinity and Affinity:
>
> We see the words often in religious records of the past and occasionally in civil ones. The concept of consanguinity--a blood relationship--is simple enough; but modern thinking often leads us astray where affinity is concerned

Notations in Confirmation documents

I've come across a notation under the Padres title that I don't know what it means. It looks like w enclosed in a circle. Does anyone know what this means? Thanks

Juanita Henniger

Comments

Comment

Since the notation is below each given name and surname, it seems to me it is "id.", which is an abbreviation of the Latin "idem" (identical), which as you guessed was used is like the " " when we mean "same as previous entry".
Victoriano Navarro

Comment

I'm sorry. I seems I provided the wrong link. Here is the link I need help with. The symbol is used under the titles Padres and Padrinos. I've never seen it before in my research and I wondered if it was sort like the " " when we mean "same as previous entry". Thank you for taking the time to look at this.

Juanita

Comment

Juanita,

No link was provided.

Alicia

________________________________
From: "juanitahenniger@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Notations in Confirmation

I'm sorry.  I seems I provided the wrong link.  Here is the link I need help with.  The symbol is used under the titles Padres and Padrinos.  I've never seen it before in my research and I wondered if it was sort like the " " when we mean "same as previous entry".  Thank you for taking the time to look at this.
Juanita

Comment

Robert,

Thank you for clarifying the records. I assumed one was the dispensa that
had been mentioned on Nuestros Ranchos as well as another being the chart
from PARES

Regards,
Armando

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Enviado por gpf13 el Vie, 2014-01-03 14:47.

Some comments on these documents ...

(1) This is apparently the reference in the Jaime Holcomb family group
sheet for Lope Ruiz de Esparza: "Documentos proporcionados por el
Licenciado Luis Lopez Martinez: Prueba de nobleza y limpieza de sangre
hecha por el esposa en Aguascalientes con su ascendcia en Espana varias
generacions, Historia familiar y muy escueta genealogia de la esposa - dice
que la madre de la esposa fue nieta del ultimo Emperador Azteca,
Moctezuma." My attempts to find this have not been successful.

(2) This is apparently well documented. For example, see, AGI, Patronato,
245, R.5." This is a chart made in about 1574 that shows the descent of

In reply to by Armando

Comment

Sorry, I meant thank you George.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Armando wrote:

>
> Robert,
>
> Thank you for clarifying the records. I assumed one was the dispensa that
> had been mentioned on Nuestros Ranchos as well as another being the chart
> from PARES
>
> Regards,
> Armando
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Enviado por gpf13 el Vie, 2014-01-03 14:47.
>
> Some comments on these documents ...
>
> (1) This is apparently the reference in the Jaime Holcomb family group
> sheet for Lope Ruiz de Esparza: "Documentos proporcionados por el
> Licenciado Luis Lopez Martinez: Prueba de nobleza y limpieza de sangre
> hecha por el esposa en Aguascalientes con su ascendcia en Espana varias
> generacions, Historia familiar y muy escueta genealogia de la esposa - dice
> que la madre de la esposa fue nieta del ultimo Emperador Azteca,
> Moctezuma." My attempts to find this have not been successful.
>
> (2) This is

Comment

I can't find the word Padres nor the notation you describe in the document. Is it written or printed? Below the surname of the priest (Mata) there is a drawing which is the rúbrica, some kind of personal drawing which may be part of one's signature. Nowadays many people use a rúbrica as their signature.
Victoriano Navarro

Introduction

Dear Nuestros Rancheros members,

I am pleased to become a member of this research group, and I appreciate in advance any assistance you can offer. A special thanks to Joseph for hosting.

Happy New Year

Comments

Comment

¡Feliz Año Nuevo a Todos!

Linda is right; if we share our records and the findings of our ancestor’s research we’ll grow our family tree in a wonderful way.

¡Les deseo mucho éxito en sus búsquedas este 2014!

Arturo Cuellar Gonzalez
Salt Lake City, Utah

Another Son of Joseph Macias Valades andCatalina de la Vega

Richard,
The ascendency of Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo has been reviewed before in Nuestros Ranchos. Go to forum topic: Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos ) . In a nutshell, there was debate whether Diego Alonso Gonzales de Hermosillo married to Juana de Alderete (was the same individual that married earlier to Luisa Munos de Nava, or his son. Because in Diego and Juana's wedding there is no mention of him being widower, some of us concluded that they were father and son, otherwise Diego would have been in his 60's when he remarried, not impossible, but less likely.

Comments

Comment

Richard,
Sorry, you should check another forum, subject: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

There the issue of whether Diego alonso gonzalez de hermosillo o Ramirez de Hermosillo married twice first to Luisa Munos de Nava and then to Juana Alderete, or whether is father and son, is debated.

Jaime

Comment

You sent me to the right place the first time. Check it out and see the conclusion at the end. I t states that diego alonso gonzalez de hermosillo is the son of the parents of the diego alonso married to Luisa Munos de nava according to juanas marriage record.

________________________________

From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Jaime R. Alvarado
Sent: Thu 3/26/2009 10:17 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another Son of Joseph Macias Valades andCatalina de la Vega

Richard,
Sorry, you should check another forum, subject: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

There the issue of whether Diego alonso gonzalez de hermosillo o Ramirez de Hermosillo married twice first to Luisa Munos de Nava and then to Juana Alderete, or whether is father and son, is debated.

Jaime

Comment

Hello,

I know I'm a few years late on this thread, but I recently established our parentesco with the Diego Alonso/Alfonso/Yldephonzo line, and I think it a good idea to connect the threads. The thread can be found here, with links to the IMs and records: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21940

Hope fully that can help clarify issues!

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Comment

Thank you Jaime,

I visited the website as you directed me and, unless I misread it the evidence, it concludes with Diego alonso gonzalez de hermosillo o Ramirez de Hermosillo married twice first to Luisa Munos de Nava and then to Juana Alderete,with the marriage record of diego and juana as listing the parents. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks Ricci

________________________________

From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Jaime R. Alvarado
Sent: Wed 3/25/2009 5:48 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another Son of Joseph Macias Valades andCatalina de la Vega

Richard,
The ascendency of Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo has been reviewed before in Nuestros Ranchos. Go to forum topic: Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos ) . In a nutshell, there was debate whether Diego Alonso Gonzales de Hermosillo married to Juana de Alderete (was the same individual that married earlier to Luisa Munos de Nava

Comment

Bill,
Yes, the brothers Pedro and Asencio Macias Valades married sisters Maria de los Remedios and Gertrudis de Aranda Sotomayor, respectively. The sad note is that Gertrudis died within two months of giving birth. She was burried in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco on 13 Agosto 1738. Their child (Antonio, b. 24 Jun 1738) survived. He married Maria Gertrudis Lopez on 26 Aug 1759, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:48:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another Son of Joseph Macias Valades andCatalina de la Vega

Jaime,

Thanks for the information on Juan MACIAS VALADES and his descendants. Please confirm that Pedro Nolasco MACIAS VALADES and his brother Asencio married two sisters, María de los Remedios and Gertrudis Brígida ARANDA SOTOMAYOR. I found Gertrudis baptismal record dated 2 May 1716 at Ciénega de Mata.

Bill Figueroa

Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos

Una rama de mis ancestros Santoyo-Macias que vivian en la region de Ojuelos me lleva por la parte materna a Pedro Nolasco Macias que se caso con: Maria de los Reyes Aranda, el 6 de Julio de 1710, en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. En la copia del acta de matrimonio aparencen listados los padres de Pedro: Sebastian Masias Valades y Juana de Hermosillo, que debieron haber nacido alrededor de 1690, y a partir de esos datos encuentro que los abuelos paternos fueron Juan Macias Valades y Juana Dominguez, y los abuelos maternos: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Juana Alderete.

Comments

Comment

Jaime,

Talvez te interese la siguiente información:

1.. Juan Macías Valadez era hijo de Joseph Macías Valadez y Catalina de la Vega. Juana Domínguez era hija de Juan Hernández y Ana Domínguez. Juana tomó el apellido de su madre, cosa común en aquellos tiempos.
2.. Juan Macías Valadez casó con Juana Domínguez el 12 de junio de 1683 en la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes (fuente: LDS Film 0299823 Marriages 1663-1702 Aguascalientes, Ags. México).
3.. Los padres de Diego Alonso de Hermosillo fueron Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo y Paula de Torres. Los padres de Juana de Alderete fueron Francisco de Alderete y Elvira de Padilla.
4.. Diego Alonso de Hermosillo casó con Juana de Alderete el 19 de febrero de 1669 en la Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche (fuente: LDS Film 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669 Teocaltiche, Jal. México).

Saludos,

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10

Comment

Hi Bill:

Lines #3 and #4 of your message to Jaime sent me looking through my
database...

I don't have Diego Alonso de Hermosillo , Married to Juana Alderete, as
being the son of Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo. I do believe your
source, it just struck me kind of funny that he had a brother named Diego
Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo.

I do have a Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava, as a son of Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo

For siblings of Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo I have the following:

Capt. Agustin Garcia de Hermosillo
Matias Gonzalez
Maria de Hermosillo
Isabel Ramirez
Paula Torres
Nicolas Ramirez.

I guess now I can add: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo to the list.

Any comments?

Gracias.

John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 21:20
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Massias (Macias) Valades con De
HermosillodeCienega de Mata, Ojuelos

Jaime

Comment

Hi John,

The information was provided by Jaime Holcombe about 15 years ago. According
to his information, the Diego Alonso de Hermosillo who married Luisa Muñoz
de Nava on 23 Feb 1645 is the same Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo who
married Juana de Alderete on 19 Feb 1669. I have it as a second marriage,
but would like to confirm it by looking at the actual records. Perhaps
someone in the group has the microfilm on permanent loan and could check for
this for us. The film number is LDS film No. is 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669
Teocaltiche, Jal. México. Hopefully someone has already researched this
family.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi Bill:

Lines #3 and #4 of your message to Jaime sent me looking through my
database...

Comment

Thank you Bill:

I think I am going to wait before I add him to my database until we have
something definite. Like you said, maybe somebody else has already
researched this family.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 15:12
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi John,

The information was provided by Jaime Holcombe about 15 years ago.
According...

Comment

Jaime,

Entre los muchos errores de transcripción que he encontrado en los Registros
IGI de FamilySearch, me parece haber visto el nombre Yldephonso confundido
con Alonso. Esto muchas veces se debe a que los microfilmes están gastados,
borrosos o los mismos libros de registro están en mal estado.
Definitivamente el apellido era Alonso de Hermosillo.

El Tomo II del libro "Retoños de España" de Mariano González-Leal contiene
mucha información sobre esta familia, empezando con Juan González de
Hermosillo, casado con María Muñoz. De ellos provienen las familias
Hermosillo, González de Hermosillo, Muñoz de Hermosillo, Camacho-Riquelme,
Aceves, Gutierres de Hermosillo, y las de los descendientes de Diego Alonso
del Pedroso y Hermosillo y Paula de Torres, que son González de Hermosillo,
Ramírez de Hermosillo y García de Hermosillo. El libro contiene varios
esquemas genealógicos de estas familias, los cuales son bastante útiles.
También en el mismo libro encontrarás información de los

Comment

Hello John. I actually made copies of about 90-95% of Jaime H research if you need me to check. I the source number and page #.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Thank you Bill:

I think I am going to wait before I add him to my database until we have
something definite. Like you said, maybe somebody else has already
researched this family.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez

=======================================================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa" >
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 15:12
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi John,

The information was provided by Jaime Holcombe about 15 years ago.
According...

Comment

Hi Miguel:

We appreciate your help in trying to help us solve this "mystery" :

We need to know if Diego Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava y Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, is the same person listed as:
Diego Alonso de Hermosillo, married to Juana Alderete. If it is, is this
his second marriage? it look like it could be.

Where did you find Jaime Holcombe's research data? It sounds like you have
almost all of it!

Thank you.

John

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 14:58
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

> Hello John. I actually made copies of about 90-95% of Jaime H research if
> you need me to check. I the source number and page #.

Comment

Hello John, I have Diego Alonso b-abt 1628 Married to Luisa Muños de Nava b-abt 1628 is Son of Diego Alonso Ramirez del Pedrozo b-abt 1598 and Paula Torres b-abt 1602. Diego Alonso Ramires de Hermosillo b-abt 1646 m-Juana Alderete is son of Diego & Luisa. his brothers and sisters are Catarina,1648 Cap Juan1649,Francisco 1651,Gertrudis, de nava 1653,Andres Muñoz de Hermosillo 1655, Melchor (Cap) muñoz de Hermosillo 1658.
re why or how I have these copies. I found it less expensive to pay 25 cents per page -2 family sheets per page than the time wasted traveling back forth to LA family research library finding one at a time and getting into the printer searching again. I found that once I started inputing the info into my family tree, they were related. I still have about 20% not input into my tree. Lack of time. I can still find it if you locate the the source# and batch and page.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent

Comment

I also have Diego Alonso b-1628 as grandson
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Mendez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel
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Comment

I have Juan González de Hermosillo married to Maria Muñoz Montonia as being
the grandparents of Diego Alonso de Hermosillo.
Was "Cabessa" Maria's other last name?

Thank you.

John González

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 20:22
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María
Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel

In reply to by gnzlzspd

Comment

Yes
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:49 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Last name

Daniel:

I have Juan González de Hermosillo married to Maria Muñoz Montonia as being
the grandparents of Diego Alonso de Hermosillo.
Was "Cabessa" Maria's other last name?

Thank you.

John González

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez" >
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 20:22
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María
Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel

Comment

Hi Miggy:

Thank you for the information on Diego Alonso de Hermosillo. I didn't have
any of his siblings for Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo

I see where Borderlands Bookstore has two volumes of Jaime Holcombe's
research. I am just wondering how extensive was his coverage of the Los
Altos area. I get the impression that most of his research was concentrated
in the "North".

John González

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 19:08
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hello John, I have Diego Alonso b-abt 1628 Married to Luisa Muños de Nava
b-abt 1628 is Son of Diego Alonso Ramirez del Pedrozo b-abt 1598 and Paula
Torres b-abt 1602...

Comment

Hello,

I know I'm a few years late on this thread, but I recently established our parentesco with the Diego Alonso/Alfonso/Yldephonzo line, and I think it a good idea to connect the threads. The thread can be found here, with links to the IMs and records: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21940

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Comment

John,

The information provided by Miggy Gutierrez appears to be correct. It fits
the timeline better, although there is no solid documentation. We can be
sure if someone checks LDS Film 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669 Teocaltiche,
Jal. Mexico for both marriages, Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo to Luisa
Muñoz de Nava on 23 Feb 1645 and Diego Alonso de Hermosillo (their son) to
Juana de Alderete y Padilla on 19 Feb 1669, both at Parroquia de Ntra. Sra.
de los Dolores, Teocaltiche. Hopefully the parents are mentioned in the
records.

Bill Figueroa

---- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi Miguel:

We appreciate your help in trying to help us solve this "mystery" :

We need to know if Diego Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava y Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, is the same person listed as:
Diego Alonso de Hermosillo, married to Juana

Comment

Thank you for the information. I will be in Teocaltiche for a few days and
will take a run down to the Parroquia to see if I can double check the
records for Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo and Diego Alonso de
Hermosillo. I will let you know what I find as soon as I get back.

John Gonzalez

=======================================================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 21:58
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

John,

The information provided by Miggy Gutierrez appears to be correct...