does anyone understand what's going on in this doucment

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18534-2349-19?cc=1874591&wc=…

is this document about some opposing marriage or is it something else?

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Comment

You are welcome, although I think before Independence, when the castas system was on place, any close family member (grandparents, uncles and aunts, etc.) could oppose a marriage if they thought the bride or the groom was not good enough for their family, especially regarding race or social status. You didn't have to be a very influential person in order to stop a marriage.

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Yes, it is about the grandmother (Maria Teresa patron) opposing the marriage of his grandson (Juan Antonio Rubio) with Teresa Zepeda.

First she opposed saying that he was not old enough, so he had to wait until he turned 23. Then she opposed again claiming inequality between him (Spanish blood) and the bride (mulata, formerly a slave and descendant of slave mulatos).

It seems they were not allowed to get married.

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

thanks for answering my question, and man the groom's grandma must of had some power if she able to convice the church the not allow them to marry.

Antonio López de la Cerda y Josepha de Hermosillo

Hello,

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Comment

Hola Armando,

He estudiado estas líneas, me da lástima decirte que aun desconozco la ascendencia de Antonio López de la Cerda y Josefa de Hermosillo aunque si tengo los sospechos. Seguramente es de la misma familia de Aguascalientes y Teocaltiche había varios Antonio López de la Cerda, es imposible idetificar éste necesitaríamos un acta matrimonial u otro tipo de documento que lo puede comprobar si testó buscaré su testamento aver que encuentro.

Si te puedo ayudar con el lado Delgado, Juan Antonio Delgado casó María Manuela López de la Cerda el 15 de febrero de 1730 en Ciénega de Mata hijos de Manuel Delgado y Margarita Macías Valadez casados el 17 de abril de 1706 en Aguascalientes. Manuel Delgado fue bautizado el 14 de enero de 1685 hijo de Luis Delgado y Teresa López de Elizalde; Margarita el 13 de octubre de 1686 también en Aguascalientes hija Pedro Macías Valadez y Luisa Ruiz de Esparza.

Luis Delgado fue hijo de Joseph Delgado y Francisca de Gabay casó Teresa López de Elizalde el 4 de marzo de 1669 en Aguascalientes ella hija de Nicolás López de Elizalde y Regina de Alvarado, también parece como Ávila.

Pedro Macías Valadez casó Luisa Ruiz de Esparza (también Gómez) el 2 de julio de 1684 en Aguascalientes siendo hijos de Pedro Macías Valadez y Josefa Gutiérrez (quien sospecho ser hija de los Gutiérrez de Bilboa); Luisa hija de Francisco Gómez natural de Sevilla en los Reinos de Castilla casado en Aguascalientes 3 de junio de 1647 con Margarita Ruiz de Esparza ella hija e Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza y Juana López de Elizalde y él hijo de Pedro Gómez y María Gómez.

Daniel Méndez de Torres

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Hola Daniel,

Muchas gracias por la aportaciones. Resulta que ya tenia Manuel Delgado como
Manuel Delgado de Gabay en mi base de datos pero sin tu ayuda no hubiera
podido darme cuenta que eran la misma persona. Tienes un error pequeño.
Manuel Delgado y Margarita Macías Valadez se casaron el 18 de abril de 1706
en Aguascalientes. Sale es dato mero abajo de la primera página de la
siguiente imagen
https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…

Saludos,
Armando

2011/1/13 Daniel Méndez de Torres

>
> Hola Armando,
>
> He estudiado estas líneas, me da lástima decirte que aun desconozco la
> ascendencia de Antonio López de la Cerda y Josefa de Hermosillo aunque si
> tengo los sospechos. Seguramente es de la misma familia de Aguascalientes y
> Teocaltiche había varios Antonio López de la Cerda, es imposible idetificar
> éste necesitaríamos un acta matrimonial u otro tipo de documento que lo
> puede comprobar si testó buscaré su testamento aver que encuentro.
>
> Si te puedo ayudar con el lado Delgado, Juan Antonio Delgado casó María
> Manuela López de la Cerda el 15 de febrero de 1730 en Ciénega de Mata hijos
> de Manuel Delgado y Margarita Macías Valadez casados el 17 de abril de 1706
> en Aguascalientes. Manuel Delgado fue bautizado el 14 de enero de 1685 hijo
> de Luis Delgado y Teresa López de Elizalde; Margarita el 13 de octubre de
> 1686 también en Aguascalientes hija Pedro Macías Valadez y Luisa Ruiz de
> Esparza.
>
> Luis Delgado fue hijo de Joseph Delgado y Francisca de Gabay casó Teresa
> López de Elizalde el 4 de marzo de 1669 en Aguascalientes ella hija de
> Nicolás López de Elizalde y Regina de Alvarado, también parece como Ávila.
>
> Pedro Macías Valadez casó Luisa Ruiz de Esparza (también Gómez) el 2 de
> julio de 1684 en Aguascalientes siendo hijos de Pedro Macías Valadez y
> Josefa Gutiérrez (quien sospecho ser hija de los Gutiérrez de Bilboa); Luisa
> hija de Francisco Gómez natural de Sevilla en los Reinos de Castilla casado
> en Aguascalientes 3 de junio de 1647 con Margarita Ruiz de Esparza ella hija
> e Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza y Juana López de Elizalde y él hijo de Pedro Gómez
> y María Gómez.
>
> Daniel Méndez de Torres
>

Comment

Si parece que tuve la fecha incorrecta gracias. No se como surgio ese dato solo tuve
el mes y dia incorrecto. Debemos probar la linea de Antonio Lopez de la Cerda,
muchas veces ayuda empezar al tronco del arbol o sea hacia los descendientes.
Como dije anteriormente habia unos cuatro del mismo nombre aun no se si era el
mismo hombre casados varias veces una posibilidad.

Daniel Méndez de Torres

Comment

Raul Macias Hello, can you help me out here, I'm kinda stuck at a dead end. I am descendant of Andres Masias. Have you come across any information relating Andres Masias and Margarita Masias. I have found Margarita Masias y Manuel Delgado are Padrinos to my ancestor Maria Gertrudis, who was baptized in Cienega de Mata Ojuelos, Jalisco, on 27mar1731. Maria Gertrudis is the daughter of Andres Masias and Maria de los Dolores Pacheco. I seek to trace back Andres Masias as far as possible. Thank you or any one else who may wish to add something.

Comment

I hope this helps or leads you in the right direction. The Padrinos should be the same Manuel Delgado and Margarita Macias who married in Aguascalientes on Apr 18, 1706. Since there is a generation gap, they could be aunts and uncles of your ancestor. Without a doubt we're dealing with the Macias Valades, family. I do not have anything on any Andres Macias Valades, the only one I have is the one married to Dolores Hurtado in 1726 in Aguascalientes.

Daniel

Comment

Raul Macias. Daniel thank you. I have been in the mire and have been tracing the same genology that you have proposed. I also have an Antonio casimiro masias as padrino to another son of Andres masias. Casimiro is from aguascalientes. I wonder if pedros macias valades' first wife is the spinner here. Again thank you.

Comment

I have come to realize that Maria Gertrudis Masias de los Dolores does not have Pacheco as her mothers last name. I don't want anyone to get that wrong, pardon me. I continue to seek information on Andres Masias and Maria de los Dolores Pachecho who were baptizing their children at La Punta en La capilla de Cienega de Mata, at the earliest date of 10 jul 1735.

In reply to by maciasraul

Comment

Raúl,

If you search for children of Andres Macias and Dolores you will see that
Dolores uses the surname Hurtado for Leonarda Crecencia http://goo.gl/6ChYR

I searched for a marriage of Andres Macias and Dolores before those dates
and I found their marriage in Aguas http://goo.gl/SVpPF

Since that marriage entry does not name the parents I searched the
Matrimonial Investigations file made by Robert Fulton and I found the
following:

Volume 1725/26: image 215
23 Dec 1725
Groom: Mazias Valadez, Andres (Espanol; ).......Bride: Hurtado, Maria de
los Dolores (Espanola; )
Father:......................................................................Father:
Pacheco, Xptoval
Mother:
....................................................................Mother:
Lisaldi, Maria
Former spouse: ......................................................Former
spouse:
Notes: married 7 Jan 1726

The IM entry actually states Andrés was the son of Juan Macias and Beatriz
López de Elizalde
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11610-152321-99?cc=1410092…

Andrés was baptized 29 de diciembre 1691 in Aguas

Juan Macias and Beatriz López were married 19 Mar 1665 in Aguas
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30455-33?cc=1410092&…

Beatriz uses the surname Alvarado in the baptism of her daughter Ana Macias
meaning this Beatriz could be the daughter of Luis de Alvarado and Beatriz
López de Elizalde who was the daughter of Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza
and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza

It would be a good idea to get a DNA test to further the investigation of
your paternal line.

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:10 PM, wrote:

> I have come to realize that Maria Gertrudis Masias de los Dolores does not
> have Pacheco as her mothers last name. I don't want anyone to get that
> wrong, pardon me. I continue to seek information on Andres Masias and Maria
> de los Dolores Pachecho who were baptizing their children at La Punta en La
> capilla de Cienega de Mata, at the earliest date of 10 jul 1735.

In reply to by Armando

Comment

Armando

Thanks for catching the omission of the parents of Andres Macias Valades in the matrimonial investigation index. I'll update the posting of this file in the near future.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Comment

George,

You're welcome and I apologize for mistating your first name in that post.
As far as these files of the IM they have been extremely helpful to me. One
improvement I can think of is if the names were provided in their current
standardized form or at least to have everyone listed with the same
spelling for the same name. For instance Macias, Masias, Massias, and
Mazias can all be listed as Macias, or if you prefer Masias. Villalobos,
Villalovos, and Billalobos should be Villalobos since it contains the words
villa (village) and lobos (wolves). This would make searching the documents
much easier and less time consuming.

Regards
Armando

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 PM, wrote:

> Armando
>
> Thanks for catching the omission of the parents of Andres Macias Valades
> in the matrimonial investigation index. I'll update the posting of this
> file in the near future.
>
> George Fulton
> Pleasanton, CA

In reply to by Armando

Comment

Wow! Thank you. All the info before Juan Masias and Beatriz Lopez Matrimonial fit. The exception I Question is that here Juan is listed as Mestizo, I wonder if such a prominate Name as Masias Valadez would have stood for such slight. All other info state Masias as Espanole and originale. Any Suggestions? Merry Christmas!

Comment

Originales or originarios means they were born in the location describes in
the entry, which isn't always accurate either. It has nothing to do with
their calidad or caste. Andrés really should have been mentioned as a
castizo since his father was mestizo and his mother española. A few members
of the prominent families married with members of Indian and mestizo
families and in rare cases, mulatas. Some members couldn't marry with
igualdad and sometimes to marry with igualdad they had to marry relatives
which can be seen in many of the dispensas. Some members of the Macias
Valadez family were poor as stated in the death of one of them from that
era. Also we don't know if Juan was from a legitimate marriage or a hijo
expuesto or de padres no conocidos. Something else to consider is there
were times when the calidad would be mistated or made without regard to who
the parents were. This is why I recommend getting a Y-DNA test. Hopefully
you will find a match with someone that has their line well documented.

Saludos
Armando

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:13 PM, wrote:

> Wow! Thank you. All the info before Juan Masias and Beatriz Lopez
> Matrimonial fit. The exception I Question is that here Juan is listed as
> Mestizo, I wonder if such a prominate Name as Masias Valadez would have
> stood for such slight. All other info state Masias as Espanole and
> originale. Any Suggestions? Merry Christmas! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Comment

Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!

In reply to by maciasraul

Comment

Greetings to all,
My family has finally agreed to have our DNA analyzed.  I would appreciate and need input as to which and whose DNA testing is the initial one to go with.   Thank you so much for all your help.   Alice  

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, maciasraul@ymail.com wrote:

From: maciasraul@ymail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Y-DNA
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:54 PM

Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!

In reply to by maciasraul

Comment

Greetings to all,
My family has finally agreed to have our DNA analyzed.  I would appreciate and need input as to which and whose DNA testing is the initial one to go with.   Thank you so much for all your help.   Alice  

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, maciasraul@ymail.com wrote:

From: maciasraul@ymail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Y-DNA
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:54 PM

Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!

In reply to by maciasraul

Comment

Hello Raúl. Once you receive your results you will be given a list of
matches and you will also be given a ysearch.org link to upload your
results and your gedcom to. Have you received your results? How many
markers did you test for?

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM, wrote:

> Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where
> does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!
>

In reply to by Armando

Comment

Hello Armondo,I trust you're well. I took the 12 mark test, whose results are:ydna- R1B1a2; shorthand- R-M269.
I also found in informacion Matromonial 1725-1726 image 215 and 216, aguascalientes, sagrario, marriage date 06jan1726. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHPY-JJB,for Andres macias valadez con maria dolores urtado. I noticed that Andres was baptized and listed as masias lopes by the church records and later he writes his name as masias valadez in the informacion matrimomial. Have you an opinion on this. Gracias.

In reply to by maciasraul

Comment

Hello Raúl,

I am well, thank you. You should upgrade your 12 marker test to a 37 marker
test then upload the results to ysearch.org. The upgrade is on sale right
now for $69. You should also get a deep clade test and let us know the
results.

The difference in surnames is not significant. The person recording and the
people giving the names weren't always precise and sometimes would decide
to change the use of the surnames.

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:54 PM, wrote:

> Hello Armondo,I trust you're well. I took the 12 mark test, whose results
> are:ydna- R1B1a2; shorthand- R-M269. I also found in informacion
> Matromonial 1725-1726 image 215 and 216, aguascalientes, sagrario, marriage
> date 06jan1726. https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/JHPY-JJB,forAndres macias valadez con maria dolores urtado. I noticed that Andres was
> baptized and listed as masias lopes by the church records and later he
> writes his name as masias valadez in the informacion matrimomial. Have you
> an opinion on this. Gracias.
>

In reply to by Armando

Comment

Armando..I do have 37marker test done a couple of years ago..it can be found in the FTMDNA..Raul

--- On Mon, 11/12/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Y-DNA
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 8:04 PM

Hello Raúl,

I am well, thank you. You should upgrade your 12 marker test to a 37 marker
test then upload the results to ysearch.org. The upgrade is on sale right
now for $69. You should also get a deep clade test and let us know the
results.

The difference in surnames is not significant. The person recording and the
people giving the names weren't always precise and sometimes would decide
to change the use of the surnames.

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:54 PM, wrote:

> Hello Armondo,I trust you're well. I took the 12 mark test, whose results
> are:ydna- R1B1a2; shorthand- R-M269. I also found in informacion
> Matromonial 1725-1726 image 215 and 216, aguascalientes, sagrario, marriage
> date 06jan1726. https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/JHPY-JJB,forAndres macias valadez con maria dolores urtado. I noticed that Andres was
> baptized and listed as masias lopes by the church records and later he
> writes his name as masias valadez in the informacion matrimomial. Have you
> an opinion on this.  Gracias.
>

In reply to by Armando

Comment

Armando, again many thanks for said info. It turns out that my dna matches an unknown Guerra. Have you anything further? Raul Macias

Comment

I have an idea which Guerra family you are referring to but I would need
you to email me directly to discuss that further.

I strongly advise that you also join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project
by going to the following page and using option A.

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=losaltosdeja…

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM, wrote:

> Armando, again many thanks for said info. It turns out that my dna matches
> an unknown Guerra. Have you anything further? Raul Macias

$99 DNA test

Joseph I was trying to post to the announce list but this computer is not
cooperating.

I ordered the Comprehensive Genome test and joined the project that was
mentioned on the list.

Would I be

Comments

Comment

Hello Gilbert, in order to know if you, Joseph, and Gloria having autosomal
markers in common they would also have to get a Family Finder test. Even if
they get the test there is no guarantee they are going to show as matches
even if they truly are related to you. Not all markers are passed down from
all of your ancestors. If they do show as matches then they are possibly
related to you. Having other people with some of the ancestors showing up
as matches on the same segment of a specific chromosome will help raise the
likelihood being related through the line that is in common in all of you/

See the following article for an example.

http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

Having your parents test could help prove which side of the family your
matches are related to you. If you, one parent and a third person all have
markers in common in a certain segment of a certain chromosome then it is
that side of the family that you are likely related to the third person.
It's a process of elimination with the help of known relatives and others
with shared trees and all getting the Family Finder test that help show an
extreme likelihood of being related.

Saludos,
Armando

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Gilbert Arguelles <
gilbertarguelles@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joseph I was trying to post to the announce list but this computer is not
> cooperating.
>
> I ordered the Comprehensive Genome test and joined the project that was
> mentioned on the list.
>
> Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria through the
> test?
>
> Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it be a
> clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?
>
> I am trying outlook now to see if it works.
>
> Gilbert Arguelles (Roman) etc.
>

NACIMIENTOS y MATRIMONIOS EN FRESNILLO

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Comment

SUCEDE IGUAL EN SAIN ALTO, EL LIBRO DE BAUTIZOS DE 1880 NO ESTA....Y CON ESO SE BLOQUEA EL CONTINUAR CON NUESTRA GENEALOGIA...QUE LASTIMA..

Comment

Carolyn Gomez Duran
I also am in need of information on where to search for Fresnillo Baptism records in the 1800's. The earliest record I have found is 1862. I have names for the next two generations back, taken from baptismal records after 1862 but nothing comes up when I enter that information. Kinda frustrated!!
Carolyn

Comment

maybe you can check for marriage dispensations on the guadlajara dispensas blog for dispensations from fresnillo, or you can possibly search for records in a nearby city such as jerez.

Introduction

Hello group, thank you for the opportunity to further my research.

I am Manny Dominguez and my family research interest is in Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.

Indexing/Inderxacion

Hello,

Currently the NR group has a special interest group that is involved in
indexing.

Comments

Comment

Joseph,
I just tried to Index for Zacatecas but there does not seem to be there any
longer. Did it just complete overnight or did it go some place else? If
you know let me know so that I can do some indexing. Thanks, Esther

2013/7/4 Joseph Puentes

>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Currently the NR group has a special interest group that is involved in
> indexing. We are trying to finish up a project that involves the indexing
> of
> records from Fresnillo and Villanueva, Zacatecas. Originally I thought the
> project was near finished but it seems that a lot of batches need to be
> redone so there is still a significant amount of work to do. After this
> project is finished I’ve been told that we’ll have a Jalisco project made
> available. If you are interested in joining the NR Indexing group please
> email me directly at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org so I can send you some
> instructions on how to get started.
>
>
>
> Actualmente el grupo NR tiene un grupo de interés especial que está
> implicado en la indexación. Estamos tratando de terminar un proyecto que
> consiste en la indexación de los registros de Fresnillo y Villanueva,
> Zacatecas. Originalmente pensé que el proyecto fue terminado cerca, pero
> parece que muchos de los lotes sea necesario repetir lo que todavía hay una
> gran cantidad de trabajo por hacer. Una vez finalizado este proyecto, me
> han
> dicho que vamos a tener un proyecto de Jalisco disponible. Si usted está
> interesado en unirse al grupo de indexación NR por favor envíeme un correo
> electrónico directamente en joseph@nuestrosranchos.org así que puedo
> enviar
> algunas instrucciones sobre cómo empezar.
>
>
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph Puentes
>
> Clean@h2opodcast.com
>
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
>
>
>
>
>

Comment

No it is not complete yet. It should still be there as I was looking at in
earlier this afternoon. Have another look later or try again tomorrow.
Thanks for your help with this project.

Joseph

=========================

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Esther Jordan
> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:34 PM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Indexing/Inderxacion
>
> Joseph,
> I just tried to Index for Zacatecas but there does not seem to be there
any longer. Did it
> just complete overnight or did it go some place else? If you know let me
know so that I
> can do some indexing. Thanks, Esther
>
> 2013/7/4 Joseph Puentes
>
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Currently the NR group has a special interest group that is involved
> > in indexing. We are trying to finish up a project that involves the
> > indexing of records from Fresnillo and Villanueva, Zacatecas.
> > Originally I thought the project was near finished but it seems that a
> > lot of batches need to be redone so there is still a significant
> > amount of work to do. After this project is finished I’ve been told
> > that we’ll have a Jalisco project made available. If you are
> > interested in joining the NR Indexing group please email me directly
> > at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org so I can send you some instructions on
> > how to get started.
> >
> >
> >
> > Actualmente el grupo NR tiene un grupo de interés especial que está
> > implicado en la indexación. Estamos tratando de terminar un proyecto
> > que consiste en la indexación de los registros de Fresnillo y
> > Villanueva, Zacatecas. Originalmente pensé que el proyecto fue
> > terminado cerca, pero parece que muchos de los lotes sea necesario
> > repetir lo que todavía hay una gran cantidad de trabajo por hacer. Una
> > vez finalizado este proyecto, me han dicho que vamos a tener un
> > proyecto de Jalisco disponible. Si usted está interesado en unirse al
> > grupo de indexación NR por favor envíeme un correo electrónico
> > directamente en joseph@nuestrosranchos.org así que puedo enviar
> > algunas instrucciones sobre cómo empezar.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph Puentes
> >
> > Clean@h2opodcast.com
> >
> > http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Comment

Maven200

Hello,

I just signed up for the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project on Family Tree DNA and ordered the kit for Family Finder + mtDNAPlus. I am really excited to find out the results. Finally, I hope to have some answers or at least clues.....

Thanks Armando for all the info and for taking the time to answer all our questions. Its something I've thought about for a long time. The wealth of info you provided has been invaluable.

I look forward to sharing my results in the near future.

Pauline

Comment

You're more than welcome.

Thank you for requesting the test and being willing to share.

Armando

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM, wrote:

> Maven200
>
> Hello,
>
> I just signed up for the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project on Family Tree
> DNA and ordered the kit for Family Finder + mtDNAPlus. I am really excited
> to find out the results. Finally, I hope to have some answers or at least
> clues.....
>
> Thanks Armando for all the info and for taking the time to answer all our
> questions. Its something I've thought about for a long time. The wealth of
> info you provided has been invaluable.
>
> I look forward to sharing my results in the near future.
> Pauline

Comment

Hello Armando,
 
Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
DNA tested?   It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the autosomal test, as ones chances of finding a match is limited to their data base.   
Thanks so much,  Alice 

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99

FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
this can be an additional tool in our research by helping each other out
with DNA matches and triangulation.

Here is a good site with an explanation of triangulation.

http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

You will also get to see what percentage of European, Amerindian, Asian,
Middle Eastern and  African ancestry you have.

Previously the price was so high it was hard to justify spending so much on
the test. Now with the current price it might be worth it to many of you.
Here is a link where it can be ordered.

http://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx

You can also order it and join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at the
following site -

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco

The prices have also been reduced for some of the Y-DNA tests.

Saludos,
Armando

Comment

Hello Alice,

The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
you have as matches until you test.

Another thing, many people are concentrating on just their male line and
that is only a small percentage of their ancestry. What about all of the
other lines? Family Finder is what can help us with those.

Saludos,
Armando

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Armando,
>
> Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of
> Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
> DNA tested? It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the
> autosomal test, as ones chances of finding a match is limited to their data
> base.
> Thanks so much, Alice
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:28 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
>
> FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
> Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
> this can be an additional tool in our research by helping each other out
> with DNA matches and triangulation.
>
> Here is a good site with an explanation of triangulation.
>
> http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
>
> You will also get to see what percentage of European, Amerindian, Asian,
> Middle Eastern and African ancestry you have.
>
> Previously the price was so high it was hard to justify spending so much on
> the test. Now with the current price it might be worth it to many of you.
> Here is a link where it can be ordered.
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx
>
> You can also order it and join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at the
> following site -
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
>
> The prices have also been reduced for some of the Y-DNA tests.
>
>
> Saludos,
> Armando

Comment

Hola Armando , I am really slow to comprehend, I read some and if I understand it the test goes back only 5 generations. If that is correct it doesn't seem worth it or am I missing something.

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:55:28 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; alicebb@att.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hello Alice,
>
> The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
> number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
> even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
> high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
> segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
> happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
> you have as matches until you test.
>
> Another thing, many people are concentrating on just their male line and
> that is only a small percentage of their ancestry. What about all of the
> other lines? Family Finder is what can help us with those.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Armando,
> >
> > Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of
> > Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
> > DNA tested? It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the
> > autosomal test, as ones chances of finding a match is limited to their data
> > base.
> > Thanks so much, Alice
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Armando
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> >
> >
> > FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
> > Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
> > this can be an additional tool in our research by helping each other out
> > with DNA matches and triangulation.
> >
> > Here is a good site with an explanation of triangulation.
> >
> > http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
> >
> > You will also get to see what percentage of European, Amerindian, Asian,
> > Middle Eastern and African ancestry you have.
> >
> > Previously the price was so high it was hard to justify spending so much on
> > the test. Now with the current price it might be worth it to many of you.
> > Here is a link where it can be ordered.
> >
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx
> >
> > You can also order it and join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at the
> > following site -
> >
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> >
> > The prices have also been reduced for some of the Y-DNA tests.
> >
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Hola Ronnie,

That is what the website states but when you take the test there is a list
of matches that show as 2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin, 3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin,
5th Cousin - Remote Cousin which means they can it even goes further back
than 5th cousin using their own wording on the matches. Even if it is a 5th
cousin that is 6 generations and not 5 which is a 4th cousin. Also, I have
found people that match both my DNA and my uncle's DNA and we have
ancestors in common that go back more than 5 generations. I also had my
mother tested and there are people that match my DNA and her DNA but they
don't have a common ancestor with us in the last 5 generations either. More
people that match us need to test in order to be able to triangulate to the
line that matches us in all of the cases. You will also need that and since
you and I likely have ancestors in common we might have inherited a segment
of DNA from a common ancestor. The only way you are going to see what is
available is by getting the test. Additionally, you might end up helping
people other than yourself.

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

> Hola Armando , I am really slow to comprehend, I read some and if I
> understand it the test goes back only 5 generations. If that is correct it
> doesn't seem worth it or am I missing something.
>
>
>

Comment

Hola Armando, is this test for both maternal and Paternal sides ?

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:53 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hola Ronnie,
>
> That is what the website states but when you take the test there is a list
> of matches that show as 2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin, 3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin,
> 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin which means they can it even goes further back
> than 5th cousin using their own wording on the matches. Even if it is a 5th
> cousin that is 6 generations and not 5 which is a 4th cousin. Also, I have
> found people that match both my DNA and my uncle's DNA and we have
> ancestors in common that go back more than 5 generations. I also had my
> mother tested and there are people that match my DNA and her DNA but they
> don't have a common ancestor with us in the last 5 generations either. More
> people that match us need to test in order to be able to triangulate to the
> line that matches us in all of the cases. You will also need that and since
> you and I likely have ancestors in common we might have inherited a segment
> of DNA from a common ancestor. The only way you are going to see what is
> available is by getting the test. Additionally, you might end up helping
> people other than yourself.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> > Hola Armando , I am really slow to comprehend, I read some and if I
> > understand it the test goes back only 5 generations. If that is correct it
> > doesn't seem worth it or am I missing something.
> >
> >
> >

Comment

Hola Ronnie. The test is for the autosomal DNA that you have inherited from
all of your ancestors.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

> Hola Armando, is this test for both maternal and Paternal sides ?
>
>
>

Comment

When I had FamilyTreeDNA test myself and my husband, they did not provide percentages, but they did provide a list of people they had tested that "matched" us. All the people on my list live in NM, which I expect since I am Haplogroup C, Native American, Pre-Columbian, and my mother's Piro/Manso/Tewa ancestors have been in NM for hundreds of years. So I always knew of my Native heritage, down to the specific tribe. On my husband's list there was a man who lives in Texas that "matched" him, T1 Mesopotamian. The lists give us the contact e-mail addresses, but the man in Texas has never responded. I did get a response from an NR member who had the T Haplogroup, but couldn't find a common ancestor.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:53 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hola Ronnie,
>
> That is what the website states but when you take the test there is a list
> of matches that show as 2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin, 3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin,
> 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin which means they can it even goes further back
> than 5th cousin using their own wording on the matches. Even if it is a 5th
> cousin that is 6 generations and not 5 which is a 4th cousin. Also, I have
> found people that match both my DNA and my uncle's DNA and we have
> ancestors in common that go back more than 5 generations. I also had my
> mother tested and there are people that match my DNA and her DNA but they
> don't have a common ancestor with us in the last 5 generations either. More
> people that match us need to test in order to be able to triangulate to the
> line that matches us in all of the cases. You will also need that and since
> you and I likely have ancestors in common we might have inherited a segment
> of DNA from a common ancestor. The only way you are going to see what is
> available is by getting the test. Additionally, you might end up helping
> people other than yourself.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> > Hola Armando , I am really slow to comprehend, I read some and if I
> > understand it the test goes back only 5 generations. If that is correct it
> > doesn't seem worth it or am I missing something.
> >
> >
> >

Comment

I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it came back Haplogroup N.
I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; Alice Blake
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99

Hello Alice,

The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
you have as matches until you test.

Another thing, many people are concentrating on just their male line and
that is only a small percentage of their ancestry. What about all of the
other lines? Family Finder is what can help us with those.

Saludos,
Armando

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Armando,
>
> Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of
> Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
> DNA tested?  It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the
> autosomal test, as ones chances of finding a match is limited to their data
> base.
> Thanks so much,  Alice
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Armando
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:28 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
>
> FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
> Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
> this can be an additional tool in our research by helping each other out
> with DNA matches and triangulation.
>
> Here is a good site with an explanation of triangulation.
>
> http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
>
> You will also get to see what percentage of European, Amerindian, Asian,
> Middle Eastern and  African ancestry you have.
>
> Previously the price was so high it was hard to justify spending so much on
> the test. Now with the current price it might be worth it to many of you.
> Here is a link where it can be ordered.
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx
>
> You can also order it and join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at the
> following site -
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
>
> The prices have also been reduced for some of the Y-DNA tests.
>
>
> Saludos,
> Armando

Comment

Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
Finder can be very misleading.

You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented common
ancestor. This could help other people as well.

I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload your
results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done. Even
though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the families
have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
project at the same time at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it came
> back Haplogroup N.
> I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> Linda in B.C.
>
>

Comment

I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of mine are rooted in Los Altos , in Aguascalientes stemming from the late 16oos and early 1700s ,the same for Zacatecas. I trip cause I wonder if I would confuse the DNA testing because I have so much inbreeding its not funny or normal. Well if do have it done I guess I wiil try the 99 dollar special

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
> of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> Finder can be very misleading.
>
> You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented common
> ancestor. This could help other people as well.
>
> I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload your
> results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los Altos
> de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done. Even
> though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the families
> have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> project at the same time at
> http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it came
> > back Haplogroup N.
> > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > Linda in B.C.
> >
> >

Comment

The email you responded to was for Linda Castañon which is why I mentioned
the Castañon surname.

Since you have not done any DNA tests I recommend that you get a Family
Finder + Y-DNA37 under the combined tests at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco

It doesn't matter that our ancestors practiced endogamy. Not all of the DNA
was passed down to us. Some of it got lost through the generations. Using
triangulation with other people that match our DNA is what allows us to
narrow down common autosomal DNA segments to a specific line.

The relation to other people along the Y-DNA line is determined by STR and
SNP markers. You have to get the regular 37 marker test first which is for
the STR markers then a determination can be made which SNP tests are
recommended.

You should also upload a gedcom file once you have an account with
Familytreedna

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

> I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but
> man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far
> as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of
> mine are rooted in Los Altos , in Aguascalientes stemming from the late
> 16oos and early 1700s ,the same for Zacatecas. I trip cause I wonder if I
> would confuse the DNA testing because I have so much inbreeding its not
> funny or normal. Well if do have it done I guess I wiil try the 99 dollar
> special
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> >
> > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
> analysis
> > of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> > results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> > Finder can be very misleading.
> >
> > You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> > documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented
> common
> > ancestor. This could help other people as well.
> >
> > I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> > find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload
> your
> > results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los
> Altos
> > de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done.
> Even
> > though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> > people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the
> families
> > have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> > project at the same time at
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> > longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it
> came
> > > back Haplogroup N.
> > > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > > Linda in B.C.
> > >
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

Comment

my results are on the Gary Felix DNA site. It's the only one I registered with since he is doing Mexico DNA. My Castanon is from Zacatecas, my Gutierrez from Michoacán then went to Jalisco mid 1700's and my Maternal from Michoacán to Jalisco also also.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99

The email you responded to was for Linda Castañon which is why I mentioned
the Castañon surname.

Since you have not done any DNA tests I recommend that you get a Family
Finder + Y-DNA37 under the combined tests at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco

It doesn't matter that our ancestors practiced endogamy. Not all of the DNA
was passed down to us. Some of it got lost through the generations. Using
triangulation with other people that match our DNA is what allows us to
narrow down common autosomal DNA segments to a specific line.

The relation to other people along the Y-DNA line is determined by STR and
SNP markers. You have to get the regular 37 marker test first which is for
the STR markers then a determination can be made which SNP tests are
recommended.

You should also upload a gedcom file once you have an account with
Familytreedna

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

> I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but
> man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far
> as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of
> mine are rooted in Los Altos  , in Aguascalientes stemming from the late
> 16oos and early 1700s ,the same for Zacatecas. I trip cause I wonder if I
> would confuse the DNA testing because I have so much inbreeding its not
> funny or normal. Well if do have it done I guess I wiil try the 99 dollar
> special
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> >
> > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
> analysis
> > of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> > results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> > Finder can be very misleading.
> >
> > You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> > documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented
> common
> > ancestor. This could help other people as well.
> >
> > I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> > find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload
> your
> > results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los
> Altos
> > de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done.
> Even
> > though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> > people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the
> families
> > have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> > project at the same time at
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> > longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it
> came
> > > back Haplogroup N.
> > > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > > Linda in B.C.
> > >
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/
>

Comment

You should never feel bad abt bloodlines that connect over and over to the same families in Mexico.  In the earlier days it was very important to many families to keep the blood line pure.. meaning pure Spanish. If I remember correctly in los Altos the 10 or 12 founding families made a pact to only marry Spaniards to keep the blood pure and the land in the family.
 
In my family in Jerez, Zac we go to the Caldera family at least 3 times and if I can connect the families it will be more like 5 times!  I also have family from San Felipe Guanajuato in the late 1600's who went to Jerez, Zac. Antonio Lopez de Nava and Dominga Chavez and also Antonio Losano and wife Maria Gonzales Hidalgo.
Linda in B.C.

> I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but
> man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far
> as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of
> mine are rooted in Los Altos  , in Aguascalientes stemming from the late
> 16oos and early 1700s ,the same for Zacatecas. I trip cause I wonder if I
> would confuse the DNA testing because I have so much inbreeding its not
> funny or normal. Well if do have it done I guess I wiil try the 99 dollar
> special
>
>
> >

Comment

Hello Linda,

If you click on the Join Request at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/losaltosdejalisco you can become part
of the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at no cost.

You should also have an option at FamilyTreeDNA to upload your Y-DNA to
ysearch.org

I see you only did a 12 marker test. In order to narrow down your
haplogroup to a specific subclade you would need to get the 37 marker Y-DNA
test and then an SNP test or two.

Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:

> my results are on the Gary Felix DNA site. It's the only one I registered
> with since he is doing Mexico DNA. My Castanon is from Zacatecas, my
> Gutierrez from Michoacán then went to Jalisco mid 1700's and my Maternal
> from Michoacán to Jalisco also also.
> Linda in B.C.
>

Comment

Wow, Armando. God Bless you for being an active contributor to NR. You are a great source for our education. Endogamy---I had never heard that word before, yet I think many Jalisco ancestors (my husband's) practiced it since I find that in researching his family tree.

So Ronnie, don't think your ancestors were not "normal", since endogamy seems to have been a common practice at a certain time in Jalisco, or Los Altos as it is called. So do get the $99 special, and let us know the findings. I am looking for more people with my husband's T1 Mesopotamian ancestry.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:34:34 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> The email you responded to was for Linda Castañon which is why I mentioned
> the Castañon surname.
>
> Since you have not done any DNA tests I recommend that you get a Family
> Finder + Y-DNA37 under the combined tests at
> http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
>
> It doesn't matter that our ancestors practiced endogamy. Not all of the DNA
> was passed down to us. Some of it got lost through the generations. Using
> triangulation with other people that match our DNA is what allows us to
> narrow down common autosomal DNA segments to a specific line.
>
> The relation to other people along the Y-DNA line is determined by STR and
> SNP markers. You have to get the regular 37 marker test first which is for
> the STR markers then a determination can be made which SNP tests are
> recommended.
>
> You should also upload a gedcom file once you have an account with
> Familytreedna
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> > I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but
> > man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far
> > as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of
> > mine are rooted in Los Altos , in Aguascalientes stemming from the late
> > 16oos and early 1700s ,the same for Zacatecas. I trip cause I wonder if I
> > would confuse the DNA testing because I have so much inbreeding its not
> > funny or normal. Well if do have it done I guess I wiil try the 99 dollar
> > special
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> > >
> > > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
> > analysis
> > > of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> > > results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> > > Finder can be very misleading.
> > >
> > > You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> > > documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented
> > common
> > > ancestor. This could help other people as well.
> > >
> > > I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> > > find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload
> > your
> > > results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los
> > Altos
> > > de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done.
> > Even
> > > though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> > > people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the
> > families
> > > have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> > > project at the same time at
> > > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> > > longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > > > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > > > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it
> > came
> > > > back Haplogroup N.
> > > > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > > > Linda in B.C.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Another thing keeping folks from testing their DNA, or testing it beyond the basic 12-points, is that some of us just don't have the aptitude to wrap our heads around the terminology.

What is "raw data", and how would one upload it to Gedmatch or to Mr. McDonald?

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
> of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> Finder can be very misleading.
>
> You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented common
> ancestor. This could help other people as well.
>
> I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload your
> results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los Altos
> de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done. Even
> though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the families
> have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> project at the same time at
> http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it came
> > back Haplogroup N.
> > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > Linda in B.C.
> >
> >

Comment

When you log into the FamilyTreeDNA page there is a dark blue menu bar at
the top. If you hover over Family Finder a drop-down menu appears and
Download Raw Data is the fifth option. Once you click it you will be taken
to the following page
https://my.familytreedna.com/download-files.aspx?Type=FFO that gives you an
option to download Autosomal Raw Data - GZIP, CSV. That file can be sent to
Doug McDonald at the email address I had posted previously.

Gedmatch.com is not accepting uploads until August which is when results
would be back for people that are just now ordering the test. Gedmatch has
5 calculators made by Dienekes Pontikos. The Globe13 is the newest one that
Dienekes has made but it is not available on Gedmatch.com

The Globe13 calculator tells you what percentage of the following markers
you have - North_European Mediterranean West_Asian Southwest_Asian Siberian
Amerindian West_African Palaeo_African East_Asian Australasian Arctic
South_Asian and East_African. This is a much better terminology than what
Familytreedna and Ancestry.com have decided to use.

If you send me your raw data file I can put it through the calculator for
you.

Regards,
Armando

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Another thing keeping folks from testing their DNA, or testing it beyond
> the basic 12-points, is that some of us just don't have the aptitude to
> wrap our heads around the terminology.
>
>
>
> What is "raw data", and how would one upload it to Gedmatch or to Mr.
> McDonald?
>
>
>
> Emilie
>
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> >
> > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
> analysis
> > of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> > results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> > Finder can be very misleading.
> >
> > You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> > documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented
> common
> > ancestor. This could help other people as well.
> >
> > I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> > find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload
> your
> > results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los
> Altos
> > de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done.
> Even
> > though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> > people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the
> families
> > have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> > project at the same time at
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> > longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it
> came
> > > back Haplogroup N.
> > > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > > Linda in B.C.
> > >
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

Comment

Thanks Armando, I will give it a try.

Emilie

> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:02:37 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> When you log into the FamilyTreeDNA page there is a dark blue menu bar at
> the top. If you hover over Family Finder a drop-down menu appears and
> Download Raw Data is the fifth option. Once you click it you will be taken
> to the following page
> https://my.familytreedna.com/download-files.aspx?Type=FFO that gives you an
> option to download Autosomal Raw Data - GZIP, CSV. That file can be sent to
> Doug McDonald at the email address I had posted previously.
>
> Gedmatch.com is not accepting uploads until August which is when results
> would be back for people that are just now ordering the test. Gedmatch has
> 5 calculators made by Dienekes Pontikos. The Globe13 is the newest one that
> Dienekes has made but it is not available on Gedmatch.com
>
> The Globe13 calculator tells you what percentage of the following markers
> you have - North_European Mediterranean West_Asian Southwest_Asian Siberian
> Amerindian West_African Palaeo_African East_Asian Australasian Arctic
> South_Asian and East_African. This is a much better terminology than what
> Familytreedna and Ancestry.com have decided to use.
>
> If you send me your raw data file I can put it through the calculator for
> you.
>
>
> Regards,
> Armando
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> > Another thing keeping folks from testing their DNA, or testing it beyond
> > the basic 12-points, is that some of us just don't have the aptitude to
> > wrap our heads around the terminology.
> >
> >
> >
> > What is "raw data", and how would one upload it to Gedmatch or to Mr.
> > McDonald?
> >
> >
> >
> > Emilie
> >
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> > >
> > > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
> > analysis
> > > of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> > > results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> > > Finder can be very misleading.
> > >
> > > You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> > > documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented
> > common
> > > ancestor. This could help other people as well.
> > >
> > > I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> > > find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload
> > your
> > > results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los
> > Altos
> > > de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done.
> > Even
> > > though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> > > people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the
> > families
> > > have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> > > project at the same time at
> > > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> > > longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > > > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > > > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it
> > came
> > > > back Haplogroup N.
> > > > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > > > Linda in B.C.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Armando,

Is the email you posted for Doug McDonald correct? I tried sending him an
email and it was not delivered.

Thanks,
Juan

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Armando wrote:

> Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
> of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> Finder can be very misleading.
>
> You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented common
> ancestor. This could help other people as well.
>
> I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload your
> results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los Altos
> de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done. Even
> though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the families
> have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> project at the same time at
> http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it came
> > back Haplogroup N.
> > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > Linda in B.C.
> >
> >

Comment

Hello Juan,

He responded to me in November 2012 at that address and that is why I had
posted that one. Now that I look at the email I had sent it shows that the
email address I sent the email to to be mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu so try that
one. Give it a week or two for a response.

If you want me to put your file through one of Dienekes Pontikos'
calculators I can do that for you. The following site is where I got the
calculator from.

http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/10/globe13-calculator.html

Saludos,
Armando

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Is the email you posted for Doug McDonald correct? I tried sending him an
> email and it was not delivered.
>
> Thanks,
> Juan
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Armando wrote:
>
> > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
> analysis
> > of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> > results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> > Finder can be very misleading.
> >
> > You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> > documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented
> common
> > ancestor. This could help other people as well.
> >
> > I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> > find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload
> your
> > results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los
> Altos
> > de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done.
> Even
> > though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
> > people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to test since many of the
> families
> > have common ancestors. You can order the Family Finder test and join the
> > project at the same time at
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> > longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
> > > I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
> > > I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it
> came
> > > back Haplogroup N.
> > > I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
> > > Linda in B.C.
> > >
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

The small number of folks at NR or other sites that take part in DNA testing might be due to economical reasons. As someone on a fixed income, I found even $99 hard to squeeze out of the budget, but I finally did it for both my husband and myself. He is T1 Mesopotamian, ancestors from Jalisco. I am C, Native American, pre-columbian, mother born in New Mexico. I have no way to find out my father's DNA (born in Zacatecas) since he had no brothers and no cousins living and I had no brothers. Due to failing health I can no longer keep up with things. Others might be in the same boat.

I once tried joining the free DNA testing offered by the LDS church, but they turned me down because I could not provide a complete family tree due to brick walls.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:55:28 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; alicebb@att.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hello Alice,
>
> The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
> number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
> even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
> high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
> segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
> happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
> you have as matches until you test.
>
> Another thing, many people are concentrating on just their male line and
> that is only a small percentage of their ancestry. What about all of the
> other lines? Family Finder is what can help us with those.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Armando,
> >
> > Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of
> > Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
> > DNA tested? It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the
> > autosomal test, as ones chances of finding a match is limited to their data
> > base.
> > Thanks so much, Alice
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Armando
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
> >
> >
> > FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
> > Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
> > this can be an additional tool in our research by helping each other out
> > with DNA matches and triangulation.
> >
> > Here is a good site with an explanation of triangulation.
> >
> > http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
> >
> > You will also get to see what percentage of European, Amerindian, Asian,
> > Middle Eastern and African ancestry you have.
> >
> > Previously the price was so high it was hard to justify spending so much on
> > the test. Now with the current price it might be worth it to many of you.
> > Here is a link where it can be ordered.
> >
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx
> >
> > You can also order it and join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at the
> > following site -
> >
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco
> >
> > The prices have also been reduced for some of the Y-DNA tests.
> >
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
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Creating Content...Pictures

Hello,

Comments

Comment

Por supuesto que sería muy útil para todos porque de alguna manera tenemos
parentesco,y nos encantaría ver fotografías de nuestros antepasados,gracias
de antemano,Martha Gomez
On Jun 30, 2013 1:19 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was just curious as to the purpose of uploading/sharing family
> pictures/images. Is this something that could additionally help in the
> genealogy research or just a means of archiving photos digitally here in
> the Nuestros Ranchos Forums?
> (I have many old family photos as far back as the turn of the 19th century
> & I am debating whether ot not to go through the trouble of uploading them.)
>
> Thanks for your help in advance
> MAZO
>
>
> Hola,
>
> Tenía curiosidad acerca de compartir fotos/imágenes de la familia. ¿Es
> esto algo que además podría ayudar en la investigación de la genealogía o
> simplemente un medio de archivar las fotos digitales aquí en los Nuestros
> Ranchos foros?
>
> (Tengo muchas fotos familiares antiguas se remontan a finales del siglo 19
> y estoy pensando si compartirlos aqui es necesario)
>
> Gracias por su ayuda de antemano
> MAZO

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I loaded photos because it puts a face to the records and stories. It's just a bit more personal.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Martha Gomez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Creating Content...Pictures

Por supuesto que sería muy útil para todos porque  de alguna manera tenemos
parentesco,y nos encantaría ver fotografías de nuestros antepasados,gracias
de antemano,Martha Gomez
On Jun 30, 2013 1:19 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was just curious as to the purpose of uploading/sharing family
> pictures/images. Is this something that could additionally help in the
> genealogy research or just a means of archiving photos digitally here in
> the Nuestros Ranchos Forums?
> (I have many old family photos as far back as the turn of the 19th century
> & I am debating whether ot not to go through the trouble of uploading them.)
>
> Thanks for your help in advance
> MAZO
>
>
> Hola,
>
> Tenía curiosidad acerca de compartir fotos/imágenes de la familia. ¿Es
> esto algo que además podría ayudar en la investigación de la genealogía o
> simplemente un medio de archivar las fotos digitales aquí en los Nuestros
> Ranchos foros?
>
> (Tengo muchas fotos familiares antiguas se remontan a finales del siglo 19
> y estoy pensando si compartirlos aqui es necesario)
>
> Gracias por su ayuda de antemano
> MAZO

: Family Finder test now $99

Armando,

Very interesting topic. I have never done a DNA Test either. Can we just
do the Family Finder test?

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Comment

Hello Victor,

Yes, just doing the Family Finder test will suffice.

Regards,
Armando

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Victor Renteria <
dirtyworklandscape@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Very interesting topic. I have never done a DNA Test either. Can we just
> do the Family Finder test? Will that be suffice?
>
> The Family Finder+Y-DNA37 price is pretty steep even with the discount.
>
> Thanks,
> Victor
>
>

Announce Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3

Hello, I am very interested in the DNA test, I just wonder what the difference in FamilyTree and Ancestry tests are.  Ancestry is now $99.00 as well.  My family connections are Femat, Montanez, Viva

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Comment

Hello Helen,

We have at least the Romo de Vivar line in common. We probably have more
lines in common if we were to compare our trees.

The Ancestry.com test does not have a chromosome browser and therefore
triangulation can't be done with the Ancestry.com test. Also, Ancestry.com
does not send tests to Mexico so our relatives there are unable to get an
Ancestry.com test and therefore won't show up in the list of matches with
Ancestry.com. Those are the two biggest reasons that the Familytreedna test
is a lot better.

Warm Regards,
Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:37 PM, wrote:

> Hello, I am very interested in the DNA test, I just wonder what the
> difference in FamilyTree and Ancestry tests are. Ancestry is now $99.00 as
> well. My family connections are Femat, Montanez, Vivar de Romo and Pedro
> Perez and Justa Gonzalez from Rincon Grande, Jalisco. I would love to
> connect with my family. This is my first note, I hope I am doing this
> correctly.

Los primeros Orozco en Jalisco y pintores

Hola

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Comment

Sugun por lo que he leido hay dos ramas en Jalisco, los Orosco Villaseñor y
los Tello de Orozco.
Sobre los Tello se Orozco tengo estos datos:

Al casarse Geronimo de Orozco con Betriz Tello y Sandoval su descendencia
formo el Apellido compuesto Tello de Orozco

Gerónimo de Orozco:
El fundador de Aguascalientes y León, fue muerto por chichimecas.

El doctor Gerónimo de Orozco, quien tomó posesión el 15 de diciembre de
1574 como el primer gobernador-presidente de la Real Audiencia de Nueva
Galicia asentada en Guadalajara y que el 22 de octubre de 1575 firmó la
Cédula de Fundación de la Villa de nuestra señora de la Asunción de las
Aguas calientes, quizá fue el último de los funcionarios que personalmente
estuvo en el campo de batalla y fue muerto precisamente por ello, a manos
de los chichimecas que tanto combatió.
El autor Phillip Wayne Powell hace referencia a este hecho al señalar que
el virrey saliente, Martín Enríquez de Almanza, y el entrante conde de la
Coruña, habían decidido combatir a los chichimecas en una “guerra a fuego y
sangre” (“Capitán mestizo: Miguel Caldera y la frontera norteña. La
pacificación de los chichimecas (1548-1597”, FCE, 1980). “El punto decisivo
de este intensificado esfuerzo militar tuvo lugar en 1580, cuando el
presidente de la Audiencia de Guadalajara, doctor Gerónimo de Orozco,
especialmente apremiado por el virrey Enríquez para velar por la defensa de
los caminos de su jurisdicción, fue al norte a tomar cargo personal de la
guerra”.
El 30 de noviembre de 1580 Orozco presidió una reunión de capitanes en el
presidio de Cuicillo, a 9 leguas al sureste de Zacatecas, con el objeto de
discutir las acciones para poner fin a la guerra, pero no todos los
capitanes acudieron precisamente por estar ocupados persiguiendo
chichimecas. Sí acudieron el veterano Rodrigo del Río de Loza –quien había
de suceder a Orozco tras su muerte-, Alonso de Vega y el otro joven capitán
Juan de Frías Salazar. Ahí se acordó que aumentarían a 50 los soldados y no
los 20 o 30 que entonces contaba cada escolta; incrementarían el salario
anual a cada soldado a 450 pesos y se les haría partícipes de la venta de
esclavos “pues nadie serviría por menos” y que la tesorería de Zacatecas
proporcionaría los recursos para los costos de la guerra.
Powell no es muy explícito en la forma en que murió Orozco y sólo señala
que llegó a presidente de la audiencia en diciembre de 1574, donde “fomentó
la colonización defensiva de la frontera, fundando los poblados de León y
Aguascalientes” para añadir enseguida que al encargarse de la guerra, fue
“cuando la muerte sorprendió a Orozco mientras estaba en campaña cerca de
Zacatecas, en diciembre de 1580” (pág. 89). Más adelante ratifica el dato
al señalar que “encontrándose en el puerto de Cuicillo, súbitamente murió
Gerónimo de Orozco, el 6 de diciembre”, sin agregar el año, suponiéndose
que fue el mismo 1580, según su libro “Capitán Mestizo…” de 1980.
Pero en “La Guerra Chichimeca…” publicada 5 años antes (en 1975), da otra
fecha y otro lugar cuando dice que Orozco, “a su muerte (poco antes del
primero de abril de 1581) recibió elogios virreinales y sacerdotales por su
excelente labor. La muerte sobrevino a Orozco encontrándose en las minas de
Guanajuato, a la cabeza de los soldados enviados allí por el virrey
Enríquez” (págs. 127 y 128, subrayados nuestros).
Como se observa, en un libro ubica la muerte de Orozco en Cuicillo, cercano
a Zacatecas, el 6 de diciembre de 1580; y en el otro libro lo ubica en
Guanajuato poco antes del 1 de abril de 1581. Lo que sí parece confirmado
es que murió en una escaramuza contra los chichimecas.
A propósito de guerras
Fue el investigador John H. Parry, autor de “La Audiencia de Nueva Galicia
en el Siglo XVI” (El Colegio de Michoacán, Fideicomiso Teixidor, 1993) más
explícito al señalar que “La autoridad militar nunca se confió al
presidente o a la audiencia en Nueva Galicia, aunque en ocasiones las
emergencias los obligaban a asumir el mando sin autorización”, Y añade:
“Orozco, el primer presidente, fue el último en ir al campo en persona, y
de hecho encontró la muerte en una escaramuza con unos indios, en un ataque
de pillaje”.
En su libro, Parry explica que aunque a Orozco en ocasiones se le describía
en algunos documentos oficiales como “capitán general” (como en las
Ordenanzas que dio a los oficiales reales el doctor De Orozco en 1579), en
realidad no lo era y esa designación en ese entonces le correspondía sólo
al virrey, y quizá se debió a una analogía equivocada con los presidentes
de Santo Domingo y Guatemala, quienes sí tenían ese título.
El autor Parry cita la carta que envió el Cabildo Eclesiástico de
Guadalajara rogando a la Corona que proporcionara sostén para la viuda e
hijos de Orozco. En cambio Powell dice que a la muerte de Orozco, fue el
propio virrey Martín de Enríquez –quien estaba en Otumba poco antes de
iniciar la larga jornada desde Acapulco al Perú—quien, conmovido, “de su
propia mano escribió al rey, suplicándole que diera algo a la viuda de esta
oidor y a sus muchos hijos, por sus excelentes servicios y gran pobreza”.
Philip W. Powell reconoce que los jefes de la defensa y “guerra a fuego y
sangre” de la Gran Chichimeca eran hombres de toga y altos grados
universitarios. Sande, el propio Orozco, Puga y Robles tenían doctorados
universitarios y Gonzalo de las Casas era famoso por sus escritos.
Los pueblos primitivos chichimecas eran despreciados por españoles, medias
castas y hasta por otros indios, pero esos nativos “dependieron más de
jueces cultos que de hombres de capa y espada”, gracias al rey y a su
virrey, quienes estaban “en armonía con el perenne interés de la Corona por
la justicia de los asuntos indios”.
Y el autor se pregunta si no fue esa política de guerra, “aunada a la
indecisión de los eruditos (la burocracia del Imperio español estaba
atiborrada de universitarios) ante lo injusto de esa guerra, no habrá
contribuido a prolongar el conflicto”.
Fuente: http://mercadointerno.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/geronimo-de-orozco/

A su Hijo, Francisco Tello de Orozco se le hizo merced de dos mil pesos de
renta en encomiendas de indios vacantes y no se le habian cumplido en 1598,
si no solo 1240 pesos mas o menos de esa renta. La corono le otorgo la
encomienda de Tepatitlan.

Saludos:
ATTE Mario Gonzalez Gomez

El 21 de junio de 2013 23:14, escribió:

> Hola
> Quisiera saber si alguien tiene datos de los primeros Orozco que llegaron
> a Jalisco, una leyenda familiar cuenta que llegaron dos hermanos Orozco a
> los altos de Jalisco provenientes del país vasco y que de ahí descienden
> todas las familias actuales, alguien tiene datos al respecto?
> Una característica en mi rama familiar y que veo en otros Orozco es que
> hay varios pintores y/o artistas, hay varios Orozco famosos en el área de
> las artes plásticas como José Clemente Orozco o el artista conceptual
> contemporáneo Gabriel Orozco.
> Hay algún Orozco en este grupo que comparta en su familia el "gen"
> artístico?
> Saludos
> Ricardo Espinosa Orozco

Comment

Sugun por lo que he leido hay dos ramas en Jalisco, los Orosco Villaseñor y
los Tello de Orozco.
Sobre los Tello se Orozco tengo estos datos:

Al casarse Geronimo de Orozco con Betriz Tello y Sandoval su descendencia
formo el Apellido compuesto Tello de Orozco

Gerónimo de Orozco:
El fundador de Aguascalientes y León, fue muerto por chichimecas.

El doctor Gerónimo de Orozco, quien tomó posesión el 15 de diciembre de
1574 como el primer gobernador-presidente de la Real Audiencia de Nueva
Galicia asentada en Guadalajara y que el 22 de octubre de 1575 firmó la
Cédula de Fundación de la Villa de nuestra señora de la Asunción de las
Aguas calientes, quizá fue el último de los funcionarios que personalmente
estuvo en el campo de batalla y fue muerto precisamente por ello, a manos
de los chichimecas que tanto combatió.
El autor Phillip Wayne Powell hace referencia a este hecho al señalar que
el virrey saliente, Martín Enríquez de Almanza, y el entrante conde de la
Coruña, habían decidido combatir a los chichimecas en una “guerra a fuego y
sangre” (“Capitán mestizo: Miguel Caldera y la frontera norteña. La
pacificación de los chichimecas (1548-1597”, FCE, 1980). “El punto decisivo
de este intensificado esfuerzo militar tuvo lugar en 1580, cuando el
presidente de la Audiencia de Guadalajara, doctor Gerónimo de Orozco,
especialmente apremiado por el virrey Enríquez para velar por la defensa de
los caminos de su jurisdicción, fue al norte a tomar cargo personal de la
guerra”.
El 30 de noviembre de 1580 Orozco presidió una reunión de capitanes en el
presidio de Cuicillo, a 9 leguas al sureste de Zacatecas, con el objeto de
discutir las acciones para poner fin a la guerra, pero no todos los
capitanes acudieron precisamente por estar ocupados persiguiendo
chichimecas. Sí acudieron el veterano Rodrigo del Río de Loza –quien había
de suceder a Orozco tras su muerte-, Alonso de Vega y el otro joven capitán
Juan de Frías Salazar. Ahí se acordó que aumentarían a 50 los soldados y no
los 20 o 30 que entonces contaba cada escolta; incrementarían el salario
anual a cada soldado a 450 pesos y se les haría partícipes de la venta de
esclavos “pues nadie serviría por menos” y que la tesorería de Zacatecas
proporcionaría los recursos para los costos de la guerra.
Powell no es muy explícito en la forma en que murió Orozco y sólo señala
que llegó a presidente de la audiencia en diciembre de 1574, donde “fomentó
la colonización defensiva de la frontera, fundando los poblados de León y
Aguascalientes” para añadir enseguida que al encargarse de la guerra, fue
“cuando la muerte sorprendió a Orozco mientras estaba en campaña cerca de
Zacatecas, en diciembre de 1580” (pág. 89). Más adelante ratifica el dato
al señalar que “encontrándose en el puerto de Cuicillo, súbitamente murió
Gerónimo de Orozco, el 6 de diciembre”, sin agregar el año, suponiéndose
que fue el mismo 1580, según su libro “Capitán Mestizo…” de 1980.
Pero en “La Guerra Chichimeca…” publicada 5 años antes (en 1975), da otra
fecha y otro lugar cuando dice que Orozco, “a su muerte (poco antes del
primero de abril de 1581) recibió elogios virreinales y sacerdotales por su
excelente labor. La muerte sobrevino a Orozco encontrándose en las minas de
Guanajuato, a la cabeza de los soldados enviados allí por el virrey
Enríquez” (págs. 127 y 128, subrayados nuestros).
Como se observa, en un libro ubica la muerte de Orozco en Cuicillo, cercano
a Zacatecas, el 6 de diciembre de 1580; y en el otro libro lo ubica en
Guanajuato poco antes del 1 de abril de 1581. Lo que sí parece confirmado
es que murió en una escaramuza contra los chichimecas.
A propósito de guerras
Fue el investigador John H. Parry, autor de “La Audiencia de Nueva Galicia
en el Siglo XVI” (El Colegio de Michoacán, Fideicomiso Teixidor, 1993) más
explícito al señalar que “La autoridad militar nunca se confió al
presidente o a la audiencia en Nueva Galicia, aunque en ocasiones las
emergencias los obligaban a asumir el mando sin autorización”, Y añade:
“Orozco, el primer presidente, fue el último en ir al campo en persona, y
de hecho encontró la muerte en una escaramuza con unos indios, en un ataque
de pillaje”.
En su libro, Parry explica que aunque a Orozco en ocasiones se le describía
en algunos documentos oficiales como “capitán general” (como en las
Ordenanzas que dio a los oficiales reales el doctor De Orozco en 1579), en
realidad no lo era y esa designación en ese entonces le correspondía sólo
al virrey, y quizá se debió a una analogía equivocada con los presidentes
de Santo Domingo y Guatemala, quienes sí tenían ese título.
El autor Parry cita la carta que envió el Cabildo Eclesiástico de
Guadalajara rogando a la Corona que proporcionara sostén para la viuda e
hijos de Orozco. En cambio Powell dice que a la muerte de Orozco, fue el
propio virrey Martín de Enríquez –quien estaba en Otumba poco antes de
iniciar la larga jornada desde Acapulco al Perú—quien, conmovido, “de su
propia mano escribió al rey, suplicándole que diera algo a la viuda de esta
oidor y a sus muchos hijos, por sus excelentes servicios y gran pobreza”.
Philip W. Powell reconoce que los jefes de la defensa y “guerra a fuego y
sangre” de la Gran Chichimeca eran hombres de toga y altos grados
universitarios. Sande, el propio Orozco, Puga y Robles tenían doctorados
universitarios y Gonzalo de las Casas era famoso por sus escritos.
Los pueblos primitivos chichimecas eran despreciados por españoles, medias
castas y hasta por otros indios, pero esos nativos “dependieron más de
jueces cultos que de hombres de capa y espada”, gracias al rey y a su
virrey, quienes estaban “en armonía con el perenne interés de la Corona por
la justicia de los asuntos indios”.
Y el autor se pregunta si no fue esa política de guerra, “aunada a la
indecisión de los eruditos (la burocracia del Imperio español estaba
atiborrada de universitarios) ante lo injusto de esa guerra, no habrá
contribuido a prolongar el conflicto”.
Fuente: http://mercadointerno.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/geronimo-de-orozco/

A su Hijo, Francisco Tello de Orozco se le hizo merced de dos mil pesos de
renta en encomiendas de indios vacantes y no se le habian cumplido en 1598,
si no solo 1240 pesos mas o menos de esa renta. La corono le otorgo la
encomienda de Tepatitlan.

Saludos:
ATTE Mario Gonzalez Gomez

El 21 de junio de 2013 23:14, escribió:

> Hola
> Quisiera saber si alguien tiene datos de los primeros Orozco que llegaron
> a Jalisco, una leyenda familiar cuenta que llegaron dos hermanos Orozco a
> los altos de Jalisco provenientes del país vasco y que de ahí descienden
> todas las familias actuales, alguien tiene datos al respecto?
> Una característica en mi rama familiar y que veo en otros Orozco es que
> hay varios pintores y/o artistas, hay varios Orozco famosos en el área de
> las artes plásticas como José Clemente Orozco o el artista conceptual
> contemporáneo Gabriel Orozco.
> Hay algún Orozco en este grupo que comparta en su familia el "gen"
> artístico?
> Saludos
> Ricardo Espinosa Orozco

Cordona, Rosita Maria

This may be the wrong place to ask this and if so, I apologize. I have a problem and since I neither read nor write Spanish, I am in a quandry.

Rosita Maria Cordona was supposedly born ca Bet.

Comments

Comment

A couple of things. It is not a good idea to put your private information
(address or phone numbers) in emails to the group because the message forums
are public. Do you want me to delete your message?

With regards to your statements below:

1) Make a freedom of information act request for EVERYTHING available for
your relative
2) Seems that the closest mainland point to Bannacca (on an island right?)
is Trujillo and that is where I would start by ordering some film:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/37632

Good luck,

Joseph

=========================

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Carrol Hurley Ullrich
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:10 PM
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cordona, Rosita Maria
>
> This may be the wrong place to ask this and if so, I apologize. I have a
problem and since I
> neither read nor write Spanish, I am in a quandry.
>
> Rosita Maria Cordona was supposedly born ca Bet. 11 Oct 1909 - 1912
Spanish
> Honduras,(Bonnacca, Honduras). When she was about 9-10, supposedly her
father (no
> name) died while working on Suez Canal, and she was sent to America with a
Fermina
> Kirkconnell family to get an education. However, after finding the
person I believe to be
> Rosita arriving Apr 4 1920 with that family on Ship: Emma Belliveau
(ship sailed
> March 18 1920 from Bonacco, Honduras), through Cuba arriving in Tampa, FL
and again
> July 11 1925 as Rorsita (last name illegible on original) I have no link
of Rosita to the
> Kirkconnell family in US. Do find Rosita in 1930 maid, living 7709
Central Ave., Tampa,
> FL; in 1934 as cook 212 East Ross Avenue, Do, Tampa, FL; April 1935 living
with the
> Eatons 80 Vandeventer Place, St Louis, St Louis City, Missouri; April 1940
as a cook
> living with the Eatons at 80 Vandeventer Place, St Louis, St Louis City,
Missouri; married
> 26 Dec 1940 Hot Springs, Garland, Arkansas to R
> oman Benedict Pike. By 1945, she, Benedict and daugher Ann are back in
Temple
> Terrace, Tampa, Hillsborough Co., FL She died 21 Nov 2004 in Glynn Co.,
GA. and is
> buried St Anthony of Padua Cemetery, Palm Ave San Antonio, FL.
>
> Rosita did have a son Albert Allen Cardona born 12 Dec 1928 in Tampa, FL.
Her
> daughter has no other info on her than that, and would like to know the
true story of
> Rosita's birth year, parents, etc.
>
> Carrol Hurley Ullrich
> 419 Colley Lane
> St. Simons Island, GA 31522
>

Mi Investigacion. Enrique Nungaray

I have ran into many of Damasia Pena Guitron lineage...you may reach me Via email...acesan78@gmail.com.

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
me tome la libertad de checar tu arbol
y encontre lo siguiente:
vicente nungaray y damacia peña guitron
matrimonio 3 agosto 1874 talpa allende jalisco

maria nungaray peña baut 29 enero 1879
hl de vicente nungaray y damacia peña
ap.timoteo nungaray y marta renteria
am. juan peña y petronila guitron

timoteo nungaray y marta renteria
matrimonio 22 mayo 1843 talpa allende jalisco
hl. vicente nungaray y rita nuñez
hl. pioquinto renteria y franca villasor

juan peña y petronila guitron
matrimonio 21 noviembre 1853 talpa allende jalisco
hl. salustiano peña y franca palomera
hl. gil guitron y damacia araiza

pioquinto renteria y maria franca villasor
matrimonio 6 mayo 1815 talpa allende jalisco
hl. calletano renteria y maria de robles
hl. manuel villasor y petronila arechiga

salustiano peña y franca palomera
matrimonio 9 mayo 1816 talpa allende jalisco
hl. jose peña y rosalia arechiga
hl. faustino palomera y petronila belasco

ramon gil buitron y maria damacia de araiza
matrimonio 21 junio 1819
tulpa allende jalisco
hl juan buitron y maria ygnacia garcia de alva
hl. juan anto de araiza y maria antonia ruiz.

por parte materna doña amalia rodriguez :

vicente de jesus nungaray rodriguez
hijo lejitimo de manuel f. nungaray y amalia rodriguez
abuelo paterno : vicente nungaray y damacia peña
abuelo materno: filogonio rodriguez y salvadora hernandez.

adelaida rodriguez hernandez baut 23 agosto 1867 autlan de moreno jalisco
hija de filogonio rodriguez y salvadora hernandez
abuelo paterno :francisco rodriguez y tomasa bermudes
abuelo materno jesus hernandez y micaela cortez

josefa hernandez cortes baut 29 agosto 1858 ameca jalisco
hija de jesus hernandez y micaela cortes
abuelo paterno luis hernandes y franca patron
abuelo materno jose de jesus cortes y jesus selis

luis hernandez y franca patron
matrimonio 30octubre 1820 talpa allende jalisco
hijo de jose maria hernandez y petra de orosco
hija de luis patron y jesus ballejo.

en estos siguentes bautismo checa los abuelos materno en especial a teresa .

jose maria rafaela ernandez orosco baut 24 octubre 1810
hija de jose maria ernandez y maria petra orosco
ap. manuel ernandes y josefa aguilar
am. francisco orosco y maria teresa ulloa

jose maria hernandez orosco
baut 7 marzo 1808 talpa allende jalisco
hijo de jose maria hernandes y de maria petra de orozco
ap. manuel hernandez y josefa aguilar
am. francisco orozco y tereza de uribe.

saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye

Mi investigacion

Note que me piden una reseña de mi interés en este servicio y menciono la investigación que he hecho: se que hay muchas personas con mi apellido en la región de los altos de Jalisco, pero en lo qu

Espinoza

It is one of my family names on my paternal grandmother's father's
side. I just typed the name into Google and up pops the meaning that
it pertains to thorns.

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Ricardo Espinosa-reo
I belong to a Espinosa Family from Guanajuato and Zacatecas (from ca 1813), in my research there is a possibility that the surname can be from a a jewish origin from Spain, when the jewish was expelled from spain in 1492 many of them converted to Christianity, they where called marranos, many Espinosas come from Burgos, España, some are Espinosa de los Monteros.

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One of my family names is Espinosa. Thanks for the information above.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, wrote:

> Ricardo Espinosa-reo
> I belong to a Espinosa Family from Guanajuato and Zacatecas (from ca
> 1813), in my research there is a possibility that the surname can be from a
> a jewish origin from Spain, when the jewish was expelled from spain in 1492
> many of them converted to Christianity, they where called marranos, many
> Espinosas come from Burgos, España, some are Espinosa de los Monteros.
>

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I started a family tree awhile back of the descendants of Leonor de Caceres, who was a member of the Sephardic Jewish Carvajal family who survived the Auto de Fe of 1596 in Mexico City.

One of her descendants married a "Tomas de Espinosa de los Monteros" in the state of Hidalgo in the 1660s, and they had several children. I was able to get to the 1700s for several descendants. It would be interesting to determine if some of these descendants ended up in Zacatecas or Jalisco and might be some of our ancestors. If anyone here recognizes any name as a possible ancestor, please share.

Here's the family tree I made: http://texmexroots.blogspot.com/2008/12/sephardic-jewish-carvajal-famil…

I started this family tree before FamilySearch started putting all of these records online, so I'm sure you all can find clearer images now. Some of the images are fuzzy because I was literally using my cheapy camera to take pictures of microfilm at the local family history center when I started this project back in 2008 when I was in school in Massachusetts. At some point I'll try to update it.

While I'm sure that most, if not all, of us have sephardic jewish ancestry in Mexico, we need to start backing up such claims with documentation, which is why I started the above project. Just my two cents.

Chris Pineda

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> One of my family names is Espinosa.  Thanks for the
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> > Ricardo Espinosa-reo
> > I belong to a Espinosa Family from Guanajuato and
> Zacatecas (from ca
> > 1813), in my research there is a possibility that the
> surname can be from a
> > a jewish origin from Spain, when the jewish was
> expelled from spain in 1492
> > many of them converted to Christianity, they where
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Yes, the name pertains to spine tree, thorn bush, and the like. It is a name in my mother's paternal lineage which traces back to Santa Maria de los Lagos, Jalisco in 1666.