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San Jose Sate Library

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Hey everyone so im currently at the San Jose State Library what interesting books can I find here about early settlers in Mexico or something interesting that falls in that category.

what does PRIMO-HERMANO actually mean??

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I'm a lil' confused:

Does primo-hermano mean that both sets of parents are siblins to each other or can just ONE parent from one cousin be a sibling of ONE parent of the other cousin?

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Tue, 2012-10-02 08:30 | Permalink

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According to the RAE Dictionary:
Primo hermano, na.
1. m. y f. Respecto de una persona, hijo o hija de tíos carnales.

Primos hermanos are first cousins. So, two persons that share at least one grandparent are primos hermanos. Typically they share two grandparents, and in some cases they may share three or all four, like the example you described.

Victoriano Navarro

Any info on Ambrosio De Armas or Quiteria De Velasco??

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Does anyone have any info on both of these individuals i'm trying to find their parents they are both from Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico.I descend from their child Juan Jose De Armas.

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Published by Armando – Sun, 2012-03-11 09:00 | Permalink

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Have you looked at all of the baptisms and marriages of all of the Armas in
Zacatecas? Sometimes there can be clues found in those records. You should
also try looking page by page through the volumes of Información
Matrimonial to find clues. Those records aren't indexed. You might find
info on Ambrosio de Armas and Quiteria de Velasco in there.

Here are two baptisms you should look for the written records on -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQ8-VQT
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQZ-18G

Armando

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:37 AM, wrote:

> Does anyone have any info on both of these individuals i'm trying to find
> their parents they are both from Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico.I descend from
> their child Juan Jose De Armas.

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Armando,

I have not found their marriage record yet.The only info i have from them is their duaghter Francisca baptism record.im really not that sure about that second link their? but thats about it.iv'e tried looking so hard for any more info on them but nothing.

Abram

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Hi Abram,

I think you've been searching for them on family search only by typing the exacts names you have. You have to be aware that sometimes the surnames of both parents are not mentioned in the records. Also sometimes, the surname or names can change to one similar but not the same such as Velasco for Velasquez, as one of these records I'm passing to you do. Here's what I've found.

José Francisco A. Alvares parents listed as Juan Manuel A. and Jacinta Quiteria Albares.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1PV-T5S

Simon Antonio, parents listed as Juan Ambrosio and Quiteria Velasques
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQ8-ZHL

Juan José Fermin, parents listed as Juan Ambrosio and Quiteria de Olaya
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8QV-WSZ

José María, parents listed as Juan Ambrosio and María Quiteria
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQD-C7P

María Francisca parents listed as Juan Ambrosio de Armas and Quiteria de Velasco
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQ8-VQT

In my opinion all these children are from the same couple, this changes of names do happen. I advise you to try to do the same thing with the marriage. Just try to put on the range of years correctly, the place and only one of the couples names like "Ambrosio" or "Quiteria" without the surname. You'll have a great amount of couples but you need to check for them to see if the surname is wrong written or translated and that's the reason you don't find it.

Good luck, hope this helps you.
Enrique Agraz

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Salvador

I really don't agree on most of these individuals being duaghters and sons of Juan Ambrosio De Armas and Quiteria De Velasco.And the reason why is becuase the last names and some of the first names of the parent are really different.The only one i do agree on is the Francisca being the duaghter of Juan and Quiteria but the rest nope not feeling it.

Abram

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Hi there Enrique

I tried to do what you told me and I found this one Quiteria De Belasquez record marrying a Joseph Tadeo in the year 1735 in Nochistlan Zacatecas.You think this may be the same Quiteria De Velasco wife of Juan Ambrosio De Armas?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-52133-5?cc=1410092&wc=…

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Abram,

Don't give up and keep trying. After 9 long years of searching, I finally found my father in-laws birth record. Everyone always said he was born in 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I exhausted the search for the films of 1901, there's about half a year missing.

Today I found his birth record, he was born in 1902 in La Cienega, Nochistlan Zacatecas. I thought I'd never find it and that it was missing from the 1901 records. When he was alive, he had a surrogate birth record made in Nochistlan to which several people had to attest that they knew him and his parents and knew he was from Nochistlan and from the year 1901. He was born the 9th of January 1902 and baptized the 25th of January of the same year. Antonio Carrillo, son of Francisco Carrillo and Mariana Jauregui.

So you see, it's not always easy, you have to keep at it and not give up.

Alicia

________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:36 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Any info on Ambrosio De Armas or Quiteria De Velasco??

Armando,

I have not found their marriage record yet.The only info i have from them is their duaghter Francisca baptism record.im really not that sure about that second link their? but thats about it.iv'e tried looking so hard for any more info on them but nothing.

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Alicia,
 
I guess this well-worth advice can apply to me and my search of the Corvera/Corbera lineage.
 
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:18:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

Abram,

Don't give up and keep trying. After 9 long years of searching, I finally found my father in-laws birth record. Everyone always said he was born in 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I exhausted the search for the films of 1901, there's about half a year missing.

Today I found his birth record, he was born in 1902 in La Cienega, Nochistlan Zacatecas. I thought I'd never find it and that it was missing from the 1901 records. When he was alive, he had a surrogate birth record made in Nochistlan to which several people had to attest that they knew him and his parents and knew he was from Nochistlan and from the year 1901. He was born the 9th of January 1902 and baptized the 25th of January of the same year. Antonio Carrillo, son of Francisco Carrillo and Mariana Jauregui.

So you see, it's not always easy, you have to keep at it and not give up.

Alicia

________________________________
 From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:36 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Any info on Ambrosio De Armas or Quiteria De Velasco??
 

Armando,

I have not found their marriage record yet.The only info i have from them is their duaghter Francisca baptism record.im really not that sure about that second link their? but thats about it.iv'e tried looking so hard for any more info on them but nothing.

Comment

Yup,
It's even meant for me. I have so many brick walls and this is just one of them. I must keep plugging along, look for all the possible clues and in many cases go back and re-look at some of the films I'd already reviewed that I thought I'd completed.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

Alicia,
 
I guess this well-worth advice can apply to me and my search of the Corvera/Corbera lineage.
 
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:18:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

Abram,

Don't give up and keep trying. After 9 long years of searching, I finally found my father in-laws birth record. Everyone always said he was born in 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I exhausted the search for the films of 1901, there's about half a year missing.

Today I found his birth record, he was born in 1902 in La Cienega, Nochistlan Zacatecas. I thought I'd never find it and that it was missing from the 1901 records. When he was alive, he had a surrogate birth record made in Nochistlan to which several people had to attest that they knew him and his parents and knew he was from Nochistlan and from the year 1901. He was born the 9th of January 1902 and baptized the 25th of January of the same year. Antonio Carrillo, son of Francisco Carrillo and Mariana Jauregui.

So you see, it's not always easy, you have to keep at it and not give up.

Alicia

________________________________
 From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:36 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Any info on Ambrosio De Armas or Quiteria De Velasco??
 

Armando,

I have not found their marriage record yet.The only info i have from them is their duaghter Francisca baptism record.im really not that sure about that second link their? but thats about it.iv'e tried looking so hard for any more info on them but nothing.

Comment

I was searching for a marriage record for Petra Antonia Corvera - 25 Apr 1797 - La Inmaculada Concepcion, Matelhuala, San Luis Potosi,  Mexico
and came upon a notation about March and April that was written above the word Mayo 1797...(Top of left side of page).

What is the priest saying about March and April?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20441-31-39?cc=1860864&wc…  

Pat Silva Corbera

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Pat,

It says Marzo, Abril no hubo nada  - meaning that in March and April there was no activity.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

I was searching for a marriage record for Petra Antonia Corvera - 25 Apr 1797 - La Inmaculada Concepcion, Matelhuala, San Luis Potosi,  Mexico
and came upon a notation about March and April that was written above the word Mayo 1797...(Top of left side of page).

What is the priest saying about March and April?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20441-31-39?cc=1860864&wc…  

Pat Silva Corbera

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Abram,

You still have a lot to learn about genealogical research. I never asked
you if you have found or looked at the marriage record. I was asking if you
have looked at the marriage records for other people with the surname
Armas, those records can sometimes provide clues, as can baptisms for other
people with the surname Armas.

I was hoping you were going to understand what Enrique Agraz pointed out,
especially since you have seen this with other families. The surnames won't
always be spelled the same and can sometimes be transcribed incorrectly.
Remember Alba and Albarez? That should have been a clue to you for future
investigations.

The second link I had given you mentions the parents as Juan Antonio de
Armas and Quiteria Velasquez but that could be due to a bad transcription.
The names and links that Enrique provided make it even more believable.
They likely transcribed Ambrosio incorrectly as Antonio. Take note of the
godparents of all of the baptisms. Sometimes the granparents are padrinos.
Other times they can be aunts, uncles, or cousins.

After you have done that don't forget to go through the volumes of
Información Matrimonial.

Armando

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:36 PM, wrote:

>
>
> Armando,
>
> I have not found their marriage record yet.The only info i have from them
> is their duaghter Francisca baptism record.im really not that sure about
> that second link their? but thats about it.iv'e tried looking so hard for
> any more info on them but nothing.
>

Comment

Armando,

Like i said im only 15 im bearly getting how this genealogy stuff works i can't expect to learn all of this wonderful and interesting things in about 4 months no it needs time.Thanks a lot i have not thought of that looking through the padrinos names and seeing if their is any connections if they are parents cousins ect.

I had a question why are all the individuals i come across say espanoles doesn't that mean spanish??

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Abram,

Actually, you can learn most of it in a short amount of time. What you need
to do is listen. It seems many things said to you in the past went ignored
or in one ear and out the other. An example being both Enrique and I
told you to look at certain baptisms and you said you are not feeling it.
This is not about a gut feeling. It is about reading original records to
arrive at logical conclusions. It is also listening and doing what has been
suggested to you by people that have been doing research for a long time
and have seen first hand what has to be done to try to get past brick
walls. Just because I say "can" does not mean "will" but there is no way to
know until you try. After you have finished all of the baptisms, marriages,
and informacion matimonial volumes you can then start to look through the
dispensas.

Yes, the term español means spanish. In other words they are of Spanish
ancestry. They could be at times actually be mestizo or castizo and be
called español. There is no telling how many generations they had been in
Mexico if that is what you are trying to figure out. The only way to be
sure they were born in Spain is by finding a document stating they were
born in los Reinos de Castilla. Sometimes they are referred to as
peninsulares for having been born the in the Iberian Peninsula. However, I
have never seen the term peninsular in a sacramental document. The later
peninsulares would not allow criollos, Spaniards born in Nueva España, to
hold certain offices so they led the revolt causing the Independence of
Mexico. Some of these criollos were Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, Pedro
Moreno, and Francisco Primo de Verdad y Ramos. The first two were my
distant relatives. The first considered Padre de la Patria fought for equal
rights of all of the people in the caste system and the elimination of
slavery 50 years before the Civil War or the Emancipation Proclamation of
the U.S.

You should have now learned about matrimonios, bautismos, velaciones,
información matrimonial, dispensas, errors in transcription, use of
different surnames based to honor the grandmother or greatgrandmother,
spanish words used in those documents, etc.

If you get stuck on some terms you can look them up here
http://www.somosprimos.com/spanishterms/spanishterms.htm

Hopefull all of this helps you grow as a person since some of it can be
carried over in real life such listening to people with experience and
using logical deduction.

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:19 AM, wrote:

>
>
> Armando,
>
> Like i said im only 15 im bearly getting how this genealogy stuff works i
> can't expect to learn all of this wonderful and interesting things in about
> 4 months no it needs time.Thanks a lot i have not thought of that looking
> through the padrinos names and seeing if their is any connections if they
> are parents cousins ect.
>
> I had a question why are all the individuals i come across say espanoles
> doesn't that mean spanish??
>

Juan Martin Suarez Del Real

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Hola a todos,
Me gustaria saber si alguien tiene fechas o datos
sobre sus primeros dos matrimonios. Solamente he
encontrado su tercer matrimonio con Michaela

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Published by Joseph de Leon – Mon, 2012-10-01 12:44 | Permalink

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Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht! She found documentation of Juan Martin Suarez Del Real's third wife. Her name was Thadea de Soto and they married in 1734.

Gracias a mi prima Katy Brecht! Ella encontro los datos de Juan Martin Suarez Del Real's tercer esposa, Thadea de Soto. Se casaron en 1734.

this is the site:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-17458-14?cc=1874591&wc…

Jose Carlos de Leon

Published by Salvador94 – Mon, 2012-04-16 14:35 | Permalink

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Hola Gustavo y José Carlos:

Saben si la familia Suárez del Real tiene un tronco único en México? No desciendo de esta familia pero mi tío el químico Juan Salvador Agraz Ramírez de Prado casó con una señora de dicho apellido originaria de Zacatecas.

Enrique

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Yo no se. El apellido aparece mas en solamente "del Real" y "Suarez del Real" se usa muchas veces con los padres o con los hijos. No hay nada que me diga cual es el apellido correcto. Yo creo que el original apellido era "Suarez del Real". Quizas hay alguien que sabe la repuesta correcta?

Jose Carlos de Leon

Comment

Hola,
Gracias por sus comentarios. No estoy seguro si habia
otras familias con este apellido en Mexico en este
tiempo. Me parece que la mayoria de los hijos de Juan
Martin adoptaron solamente el apellido Del Real.

En el documento dice que era viudo de terceras
nupcias. El cual creo que indica que era viudo
dos veces.

Published by Joseph de Leon – Mon, 2012-04-16 10:08 | Permalink

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He's my 6th GGF and I only have those two marriages. Based on their life timelines, Lorensa de la Madera must be his first wife. She died before 1733.

How do you know he was married 3 times??

Jose Carlos de Leon

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El es mi 6 bisabuelo y nomas tengo los dos matrimonios. Segun el tiempo durante sus vidas Lorensa de la Madera tiene que ser su primera esposa. Ella murio antes de 1733.

Como sabe, usted, que el fue casado 3 veces??

Otra nota: Michaela Rosales de Castro murio en 13 July 1769 en Colotlan, Jalisco.
(English) Michaela Rosales de Castro died on 13 July 1769 en Colotlan, Jalisco.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Published by Martha Gomez – Thu, 2012-07-19 09:30 | Permalink

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Si es una dispensa matrimonial ellos eran parientes en tercer grado porque
segun Juan Martin dice que la mama de el era prima hermana de la mama de
Maria Francisca y que el es viudo desde hace dos anos y que Maria Francisca
tiene un ano de viuda dice que el tiene 35 anos de edad y ella 30 y que
comenzaron a relacionarse porque el como estaba viudo necesitaba de alguien
que le cuidara de su ropa y al ver que ella era viuda y honesta le parecio
bien socorrerla economicamente pero luego de un tiempo de estar
relacionados de esa manera el pueblo ( vulgo) comenzo a murmurar diciendo
que tenian otro tipo de relacion y para no perjudicar la honra de ella
entonces se dieron palabra de matrimonio pero los dos sabian que
necesitaban dispensa matrimonial en tercer grado porque las madres de ellos
eran primas hermanas.Tambien dice que su esposa se llamaba Josefa
Balenzuela . declara que es hijo de Juan Martin Suarez del Real y de
Lorenza Madera, que es originario y vecino del puesto de Maria de la Torre
y que pertenece a esa feligresia de ( colotlan) que es espanol, y que el
esposo de Maria Francisca se llamaba Manuel Tadeo Gonzalez que ella es
hija natural de Ana? Abila y de Simon de Soto que ya estan difuntos.La
dispensa dice que fue en 11 de julio de 1749 en San Luis de Colotlan.
No tengo tiempo de traducirla completita pero si quieres dime y en cuanto
tenga un poquito mas de tiempo te la traduzco completa. Pero creo que lo
mas importante es lo que te escribi.
Espero te sirva, Martha Gomez

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, wrote:

> Primos,
> Juan Martin Suares del Real is also my 6th GGF.
> Can someone please translate this Dispensia, I think it shows Juan Martin
> getting married to Maria Francisca de Abila in 1742.
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-46392-36?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12512731

Published by PappyRod – Thu, 2012-07-19 10:57 | Permalink

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This actually Juan Martin del Real b:1717, son of Juan Martin del Real and Lorensa de la Madera. The timing of events would lead one to believe that his first wife Josepha Valenzuela died during childbirth or shortly thereafter.

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Hello everyone,
Although this dispensa relates to his son, I do believe
the original Juan Martin Suarez del Real had a fourth wife.
I read the dispensa for him and Thadea de Soto from
1734. It states that he had been a widow twice already.
It mentions his first wife as Petrona Carlos de Godoy,
Lorensa Madera who I thought was the first was actually
the second. Thadea de Soto was third and the fourth was
Michaela Rosales in 1737. Did this guy have bad luck
or what?

Gustavo Carrillo

Published by PappyRod – Mon, 2012-07-23 09:12 | Permalink

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If I understand this marriage record correctly, Francisca has her mother's name for being "hija natural" - born out of wedlock?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-46392-36?cc=1874591&wc…

My 5th GGF Francisco Suarez del Real (brother to Juan Martin Suarez del Real III) was married to Felipa de Soto (b: abt 1712), daughter of Simon de Soto y Marcela Marques de los Olibos. Most likely this is the same Simon de Soto.

Who has a good GEDCOM of the de Soto family? It now looks like Thadeo de Soto was one of four wifes to Juan Martin Saurez del Real II.

Santiago De Pedroza and Maria De La Cruz

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Hello Again,
Does anyone have Santiago De Pedroza married to Maria De La Cruz in their family tree?
their son was Francisco De Pedroza married to Juana Lopez De La Serda.

> From: research-re

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Published by Ron Robinson – Tue, 2012-07-31 09:20 | Permalink

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Esteban,

Here is what I have on Santiago de Pedroza & Maria de la Cruz;

Santiago De Pedroza died between 1698-1707 married to Maria De La Cruz

Children;
Juana Pedroza Bapt. 08 June 1692 Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco. Married Joseph De Robalcaba Aug 17, 1707 in Jalostitlan, Jalisco.(this is my wife's downline)
Maria Pedroza Bapt. 23 April 1693 in Lagos De Moreno
Jertrudis Pedroza Bapt 22 May 1697 in Lagos De Moreno
Franco Pedroza Bapt. 02 Nov 1698 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

In my notes I have a possible Baptism for Santiago Pedroza, which I have not researched yet, this baptism is dated 22 July 1668 in Lagos De Moreno and the Parents are listed as Marcos De Pedroza & Maria De Nava.

Hopefully some of this will help you in some way and if you can add to what I posted that would be great.

Best Regards,
Ron Robinson
El Paso, Texas

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Hello Ron,
Thank you for the information. How did you make the connection to Santiago, father of Francisco? The Santiago I found had a wife named Juana De Acosta. He's parents were also named Marcos De Pedroza and Maria De Nava. Do you have any links between these people? Marcos, Santiago and Francisco. Looking forward to your response.
Esteban Pedroza

Comment

On the following website
http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num37 (which
has some errors so be careful) it says the following - "Don Santiago de
Pedrosa y de Anda, debió nacer hacia 1669, pues a los 26 años de edad, *el
22 de enero de 1695 levanto información para contraer matrimonio con Doña
Juana de Acosta y Macias-Valadez*, quien era su pariente. Don Santiago fue
hijo de Don Nicolás de Pedroza y de Alba, quien contrajo matrimonio el 2 de
julio de 1656 en Lagos con Doña Mariana hija del Capitán Juan de Anda
Altamirano y González de Castañeda y de su esposa Doña Juana Ruiz de Nava
(González-Leal 1983:116)"

Bill Figueroa might be able to point us to that información matrimonial
since it's not in the index of información matrimonial records created by
George Fulton. Once that información matrimonial is found we can say these
were two different people named Santiago de Pedroza

Santiago de Pedroza y Nava was baptized 22 July 1667 in Lagos de Moreno.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-42351-10?cc=1874591&wc…

The following record has the wrong year
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRVT-NL9

His parents Marcos de Pedroza y Alba and María (Isabel) de Nava were
married 10 August 1657 in Lagos de Moreno

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-24784-65?cc=1874591&wc…

Marcos de de Pedroza y Alba was the son of Santiago de la Pedrosa and Juana
Bautista de Alba y Retamosa. There is no baptism record for this Marcos and
no marriage record for his parents. I can't go any further back on this
line.

María (Isabel) de Nava was the daughter of my ancestors Tomás de Villalobos
y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas. Tomás de Villalobos
y Pérez de Nava was the son of Cristóbal de Villalobos and María Pérez.
Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas was the daughter of Pedro Macías Valadez
and Luisa de Villegas. Contrary to what many people have in their trees,
books, and websites Pedro Macias Villegas that married Luisa de Villegas
was not the Pedro Macias Valadez baptized 11 July 1619 son of Felipe Macias
Valadez because Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa de Villegas had their first
child on 30 January 1617 (Catarina Macias might have been born even earlier
but there is no baptism record for her). It's not possible for Pedro Macias
Valadez to have had children before he was baptized, therefore they are two
different Pedro Macias Valadez.

Saludos,
Armando

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, wrote:

> Hello Ron,
> Thank you for the information. How did you make the connection to
> Santiago, father of Francisco? The Santiago I found had a wife named
> Juana De Acosta. He's parents were also named Marcos De Pedroza and Maria
> De Nava. Do you have any links between these people? Marcos, Santiago and
> Francisco. Looking forward to your response.
> Esteban Pedroza -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Comment

I forgot to say I can't go back further on the Pedroza line but Juana
Bautista de Alba y Retamosa was the daughter of Joseph Alonso de Alba and
Leonor Vásquez de Retamosa. No marriage or baptims records exist for them.

Saludos,
Armando

Comment

Armando y Esteban,

Desde hace días he estado buscando algún documento que compruebe que
Santiago de Pedrosa era hijo Nicolás de Pedroza y Alba y Mariana de Anda
Altamirano, como lo afirma el Arq. Rodolfo Hernandez Chávez en "Historias y
Recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz". No he encontrado ningún documento que lo
compruebe. Yo lo tengo como hijo de Marcos de Pedroza y Alba (hermano de
Nicolás) y María de Nava. Las informaciones matrimoniales de Aguascalientes
para el año de 1695 no se encuentran en línea, quien sabe por que razón.
Sin embargo, Santiago de Pedroza era primo tercero de su esposa Juana de
Acosta, por lo que pueden haber solicitado dispensa de la Sagrada Mitra para
contraer matrimonio. Esa dispensa todavía no la he buscado. Santiago de
Pedroza y Juana de Acosta contrajeron matrimonio el 13 de febrero de 1695,
por lo que el 22 de enero de 1695 parece ser la fecha correcta cuando
presentaron su información matrimonial. Ese documento habrá que buscarlo
directamente in microfilm. Seguiré buscando.

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

Comment

Bill y Esteban,

Por este mensaje me puse a buscar la dispensa en
www.guadalajaradispensas.com por fechas y en Matrimonios 1636-1699
microfilm 168357 en la página 360 empieza la dispensa de Santiago de
Pedrosa y Juana Acosta. El indice hecho por Jaime R. Alvarado dice 360 santiago
pedrosa (h.l. nicolas pedrosa & mariana de anda) & juana de acosta (h.l.
antonio de acosta & ursula alvarez) / santa maria de los lagos y
aguascalientes

No he tenido tiempo de revisar la dispensa.

Saludos,
Armando

2012/8/9 Bill Figueroa

> Armando y Esteban,
>
> Desde hace días he estado buscando algún documento que compruebe que
> Santiago de Pedrosa era hijo Nicolás de Pedroza y Alba y Mariana de Anda
> Altamirano, como lo afirma el Arq. Rodolfo Hernandez Chávez en "Historias y
> Recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz". No he encontrado ningún documento que
> lo
> compruebe. Yo lo tengo como hijo de Marcos de Pedroza y Alba (hermano de
> Nicolás) y María de Nava. Las informaciones matrimoniales de
> Aguascalientes
> para el año de 1695 no se encuentran en línea, quien sabe por que razón.
> Sin embargo, Santiago de Pedroza era primo tercero de su esposa Juana de
> Acosta, por lo que pueden haber solicitado dispensa de la Sagrada Mitra
> para
> contraer matrimonio. Esa dispensa todavía no la he buscado. Santiago de
> Pedroza y Juana de Acosta contrajeron matrimonio el 13 de febrero de 1695,
> por lo que el 22 de enero de 1695 parece ser la fecha correcta cuando
> presentaron su información matrimonial. Ese documento habrá que buscarlo
> directamente in microfilm. Seguiré buscando.
>
> Saludos,
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>

Comment

Armando y Esteban,

Ya encontré la dispensa. Se encuentra con los Matrimonios de la Diócesis de
Guadalajara, 1636-1699, la cual puede verse en línea empezando con la Imagen
360. La declaración de Santiago de Pedroza se encuentra algunas páginas más
adelante, empezando con la imagen 365.

Efectivamente, Santiago de Pedroza era hijo de Nicolás de Pedroza y de
Mariana de Anda, como lo afirma el Arq. Rodolfo Hernández Chávez en
"Historias y Recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz". La dispensa lo dice
claramente. El enlace es el siguiente:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-15398-29?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santiago De Pedroza

> Bill y Esteban,
>
> Por este mensaje me puse a buscar la dispensa en
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com por fechas y en Matrimonios 1636-1699
> microfilm 168357 en la página 360 empieza la dispensa de Santiago de
> Pedrosa y Juana Acosta. El indice hecho por Jaime R. Alvarado dice 360
> santiago
> pedrosa (h.l. nicolas pedrosa & mariana de anda) & juana de acosta (h.l.
> antonio de acosta & ursula alvarez) / santa maria de los lagos y
> aguascalientes
>
> No he tenido tiempo de revisar la dispensa.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando

Comment

The dispensa for Nicolás Ramírez Pedroza and Andrea de los Dolores Romo de
Vivar Martín del Campo recently indexed at
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2012/09/1772-1773-fhl-source-film-1…
that the Santiago de Pedroza that the original poster was looking
for was the son of Marcos de Pedrosa y Alba and María Isabel de Nava
(daughter of Tomás de Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías
Valadez y Villegas)

The definición de parentesco is on the following page -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18402-45180-83?cc=1874591&wc…

Javier Sanchiz Ruiz shows the spouse of this Santiago de Pedroza to be
María de la Cruz Martín del Campo Isassi the daughter of Nicolás Martín del
Campo López de la Cruz & Sebastiana Isassi Cuevas. The source is cited as
Juan Francisco Javier Salceda Andrade.
http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=nicolas;n=martin+del+campo+lo…

Saludos
Armando

A little help verifying a record.

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Juanita,
I hope the following is helpful to you.

En el año del Señor de mil ochocientos ochenta y nueve a veintie de Octubre en la iglesia parroquial de Mesquitic yo el Presbitero Dn. Jesús Ma.

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Published by juanitahenniger – Thu, 2012-09-27 20:44 | Permalink

Comment

David,

Thank you for the translation. I'm disappointed that this seems to refer to Pilar as a female. Is it possible that Pilar is male? :) I thought I was so on point. My Great Grandfather Pilar's birthday was October 11, 1889 (a one day difference) and considering I seems they share the same parental names. Do you think that considering all the writing errors in this document that it could be my great grandfather? Thank you for taking the time to look over this record for me. Juanita Henniger

Comment

Juanita,

The phrase "un infante de nueve dias nacido" definitely refers to a male child. I unthinkingly assumed that Pilar refers to a female. I also made the mistake of assuming that a "madrina" meant
that a female child was involved. I agree with you that this record of Pilar's baptism refers to a boy. Sorry.

David in Albany, CA

On Thu 27/09/12 8:44 PM , juanitahenniger@msn.com sent:
> David,
>
> Thank you for the translation. I'm disappointed that this seems to refer
> to Pilar as a female. Is it possible that Pilar is male? :) I thought I was
> so on point. My Great Grandfather Pilar's birthday was October 11, 1889 (a
> one day difference) and considering I seems they share the same parental
> names. Do you think that considering all the writing errors in this
> document that it could be my great grandfather? Thank you for taking the
> time to look over this record for me. Juanita Henniger-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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No David do not apologize. I appreciate all the help. I have 3 years of high school Spanish and that was 30 years ago. Unfortunately, I have seldom had taken the opportunity to keep up my skills. So I find myself struggling to understand the documents. And then add the horrible handwriting and the different script styles and the abbreviations all this at times wants me to pull my hair. So, people like you giving of your time to help is so much appreciated.

Could I impose on you once more? From the marriage license I assumed Pedro's father was Fulgencio, but the baptismal record says Flortina or Flortino would in your experience a name be spelled so different?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20473-6640-16?cc=1860864&…

Thank you again,

Juanita Henniger

Comment

Juanita,

I see no reasonable similarity in sound or spelling between 'Flortina/o' and 'Fulgncio'. There's always a margin for discrepancies in baptismal documents. Remember that the
parents were not always present at the baptism. Information was provided by the godparents. Also the name could have been heard inaccurately, etc. The marriage record
you included clearly shows 'Fulgencio' as the name. Unable to provide much more help than to say it's an imperfect science.

David in Albany, CA

On Fri 28/09/12 4:31 PM , juanitahenniger@msn.com sent:
> No David do not apologize. I appreciate all the help. I have 3 years of
> high school Spanish and that was 30 years ago. Unfortunately, I have
> seldom had taken the opportunity to keep up my skills. So I find myself
> struggling to understand the documents. And then add the horrible
> handwriting and the different script styles and the abbreviations all this
> at times wants me to pull my hair. So, people like you giving of your time
> to help is so much appreciated.
> Could I impose on you once more? From the marriage license I assumed
> Pedro's father was Fulgencio, but the baptismal record says Flortina or
> Flortino would in your experience a name be spelled so different?
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20473-6640-16?cc=
> 1860864&wc=11680872
> Thank you again,
>
> Juanita Henniger

Comment

Pedro was baptized as Pedro Celestino Valdez Hernandez on 30 May 1850. He
was the son of Fulgencio Valdez and Cecilia Hernandez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JM4V-R68

The marriage document also mentions Pedro as the son of Fulgencio Valdez
and Cecilia Hernandez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20420-25423-54?cc=1860864…

Florentina was probably a sister of Pedro since she was the godmother of
Pilar.

Regards,
Armando

Comment

Thank you Armando,

I wondered if Florentina might have been an unmarried sister of Pedro. I'm going to keep searching and hopefully I find Florentina. Thank you again. I do appreciate it.

Lol, the thought did come to my mind that Pedro and Matina might have had a child for every year they were married since birth control was not practiced. But like I said I did find a set of twins in another parish whose parents were Pedro and Matina. Twins do run in the family. I also found where Fulgencio and Cecila had a set of twins Flipa and Santiago ;)so those little girls are looking like they could be part of the family tree.

Thank you for your help and suggestions. It helps tremendously to bounce off ideas and thoughts with other people.

Juanita Henniger

Comment

Thank you David. I've been trying to wrap this marriage license around the dates. The marriage was in 1877 and Pilar was born in 1889, his brother was born in 1902 both of them had the same maderina both say that Pedro was from San Pedro. I will have to research the area. But the marriage date bothers me and gives me lots of questions. Did they not have children for 12 years? Did they move? Are the twin girls I found in Neustra Senora del la Asuncion who were born in 1902 with parents listed as Pedro Valdez and Matena Sandate part of the family or is this another set of parents and no relations. The big question is what happened between 1877 and 1889 and can i find another marriage license for these children who were born from 1889-1902. Lol, so it's back to drawing board for me. Thank you again David. I appreciate all you've done.

Juanita Henniger

Comment

Pedro Valdez and Matiana Sandate probably had lots of children between 1877
and 1889 but the records are probably missing for those years which makes
it seem they didn't have children for that time period.

Regards,
Armando

FamilyTreeDNA 72 hour Sale

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Attn: List members,

I was viewing the FamilyTreeDNA website, and was surprised to see that the autosomal test was on sales for the next 72 hours...

Originally priced at $289.00 it is now $

RE DNA tests

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I've been reading with interest, but with little comprehension, the posts re DNA tests.

What is this "autosomal" thing? Does it cost extra?

Dispensas marimoniales diocesis de Michoacan

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Can any one tell me where can I locate de "Dispensas Matrimoniales" I am looking for one that the marriage was in Guanajuato but just to belong to the diocesis de Michoacan at that time year 1841.

To Josie: Catalago del Archivo del Registro Publico

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>
> Hi Josie,
>
Absolutely, I have time to check. Unfortunately, there are no LIENDO or
LIENDRO surnames in the book.

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Thu, 2012-09-27 10:54 | Permalink

Comment

Hi Maria,

Can you check for any variation of Estrada, San Martin Y Estrada, San Martin, San Martin de Estrada?

Thanks in advance!

While on the subject of DNA...

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...I'd like to remind members that I have created a file with NR members results of Native American mtDNA results (maternal lines only) - please contact me via private message if you would like to inc

Ayuda con Informacion Matrimonial...

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Hola,

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Published by robmartinez – Mon, 2012-09-24 18:08 | Permalink

Comment

Los testigos son Grigorio Nicolas, mulato; Juan Joseph Hernandes, mulato libre; y Juan Ortis [?], indio.

Los novios son castas, el novio es indio y la novia mestiza.

Guadalajara Census Project

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Hello Everyone, I came across the Guadalajara Census Project and was wondering if anyone has ever ordered the CD-ROM? If so, is it well worth it? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Carol

FamilySearch.org

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Hey all,

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Published by Pat Silva Corbera – Sat, 2012-09-22 10:15 | Permalink

Comment

Occasionally I have had the same problem, but I found that if I went back to the previous page or forward one page then to the page that was blank/black it was then viewable...

I also was experiencing a large gray area at the bottom of a page...again going back to the previous page, or forward to the next corrected that situation.

In check the page that you noted in your posting, it loaded but with a gray area at the bottom of the page, so I went back to the previous page and than to the one you cited and it completely loaded fine.

For me this was happening prior to the new format...At first I thought it was just my computer not loading the page/s fast enough, really don't know why it happens.

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: mayangrl@sonic.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:24:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org

Hey all,

I'm having problems with FamilySearch.org. Have they changed format or something? I'm looking up images and all I get are black pages. I thought it was the new side tool to zoom in/out. This page, for example, is all black. So is every other page I go on. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-11664-10?cc=1410092&wc…

I thought I saw this topic posted here, but when I went to look again, I couldn't find it.

Help? :-(

Laura Gonzalez

Published by oldcar53 – Sat, 2012-09-22 08:15 | Permalink

Comment

Laura,
When it first came out it looked all black and then a scale appeared that tells you that there's a new feature to family search, that with this scale, you can now see the entire page. This is a great feature. See if you can open it and use the scale. Rather than having to use the little hand to move the page around, you can now move the scale to view all of the page in a smaller scale and then by moving the scale, it enlarges the photo on the spot, depending on the +/-.

Thanks for this discovery!

Alicia

________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org

Hey all,
I'm having problems with FamilySearch.org.  Have they changed format or something?  I'm looking up images and all I get are black pages.  I thought it was the new side tool to zoom in/out.  This page, for example, is all black.  So is every other page I go on. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-11664-10?cc=1410092&wc…

I thought I saw this topic posted here, but when I went to look again, I couldn't find it.
Help?  :-(

Laura Gonzalez

Comment

Thanks, all.

I tried it again just now and am getting the images. Maybe the site was slow last night, or my connection was funky. Weird.

Laura Gonzalez

Comment

Happy Day to All,
Check out the Family Search printing option.  Once again we're able to print directly from the image.
YEA!!!   
Alice

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 3:07 PM

Laura,
When it first came out it looked all black and then a scale appeared that tells you that there's a new feature to family search, that with this scale, you can now see the entire page. This is a great feature. See if you can open it and use the scale. Rather than having to use the little hand to move the page around, you can now move the scale to view all of the page in a smaller scale and then by moving the scale, it enlarges the photo on the spot, depending on the +/-.

Thanks for this discovery!

Alicia

________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilySearch.org

Hey all,
I'm having problems with FamilySearch.org.  Have they changed format or something?  I'm looking up images and all I get are black pages.  I thought it was the new side tool to zoom in/out.  This page, for example, is all black.  So is every other page I go on. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-11664-10?cc=1410092&wc…

I thought I saw this topic posted here, but when I went to look again, I couldn't find it.
Help?  :-(

Laura Gonzalez

RITA ISABEL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y JUAN BECERRA

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ALGUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR A PALEOGRAFIAR LA PARTIDA DE MATRIMONIO DE JUAN BECERRA Y DE RITA ISABEL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y DIAZ CASTELLANOS, ELLA HIJA DE CRISTOBAL ALVAREZ DE LA CRUZ Y DE ESTRADA Y DE MARI

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sat, 2012-09-22 19:32 | Permalink

Comment

Me parece que los nombres son los siguientes:
Juan Becerra, español de La Soledad, hijo legítimo de Josefa Centero y Alfo Becerra, difunto (¿Adolfo?, la parte de abajo de la G del renglón de arriba parece que se intercala en la palabra difto., lo mismo en otras plabras como testigos Augn. -Agustín- y Aguirre)con Yssabel Rita Albares, española de dicho puesto, hija legítima de Xptobal Albares y Marta Dias. Fueron padrinos Pedro Días y Juana Aramburu. Testigos de asistencia Antonio Hilario, Joseph Brabo, Phelipe Aguirre, todos de este pueblo y lo firmé Fray Augustin Gonzales.

Victoriano Navarro

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I would like to introduce myself..my name is Juanita Torrez Henniger. We believe that part of my family orginiated from Augascalients and San Luis Potosi.

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Published by siriuslr – Tue, 2012-08-07 09:45 | Permalink

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Maybe in this record yoy see more informationPilar Valdés spouse:the number of the file of their marriagePedro Valdéz spouse:Matiana Sandategroom's name:Pedro Valdezbride's name:Matiana Sandatemarriage date:24 Jun 1877marriage place:San Miguel,Mexquitic,San Luis Potosi,Mexicoindexing project (batch) number:M60549-8system origin:Mexico-ODMsource film number:710022Romana Baldeschildren:Elisa Baldes,​ Herlinda Baldes...name:Pilar Baldesevent:Censusevent date:1930event place:Precinct 7, Karnes, Texasgender:Maleage:42marital status:Marriedrace:Mexicanbirthplace:Mexicoestimated birth year:1888immigration year:1912relationship to head of household:Headfather's birthplace:Mexicomother's birthplace:Mexicoenumeration district number:0016family number:117sheet number and letter:7Aline number:12nara publication:T626, roll 2365digital folder number:4547988
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Pilar Valdézbirth: 12 Oct 1889San Luis Petasi,​ Mexicodeath:06 Mar 1966Harlingen,​ Cameron,​ Texasburial:07 Mar 1966Cameron County,​ Texasresidence:Santa Rosa,​ Cameron,​ Texas spouse:Matiana Sandatechild:Pilar Valdezname:Pilar Valdezdeath date:06 Mar 1966death place:Harlingen, Cameron, Texasgender:Malerace:Whitedeath age:76 yearsbirth date:12 Oct 1889birthplace:San Luis Petasi, Mexicomarital status:Widowedfather's name:Pedro Valdezmother's name:Matiana Sandateoccupation:Retired Farmerplace of residence:Santa Rosa, Cameron, Texascemetery:La Capilla Cemeteryburial place:Cameron County, Texasburial date:07 Mar 1966additional relatives:Xdigital film number:4028385 atte.Lety Reynosoparents:Pedro Valdez,​ Matiana Sandate

Comment

Saludos, My name is Elba. I am researching family in the Tepatitlan,
Rincon de Velasquez, and Tototlan area, generally. The surnames I am
researching are Ramirez, Gonzalez, Navarro, Velasquez, Plascencia, Torres.
Starting from 1895 and working backward. I look forward to locating info
and contributing.

--
*Kind regards, *
*Elba Alonso de Ortega*

Published by mexicanfhr – Mon, 2012-08-06 14:54 | Permalink

Comment

Juanita,

I have taken a look at the research that you have done on your family, especially on the Valdez-Sandate marriage. Instead of looking in Cerdo, San Luis Potosi look in Mexquitic de Carmona, San Luis Potosi. Here is a link to their marriage record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20473-6640-16?cc=1860864&…

From that marriage record I have been able to identify her christening date, siblings, parents and her grandparents. I have only been able to identify them, I haven't been able to look at the records yet. If you would like, I can send you a list of the people and the dates to research.

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

Published by juanitahenniger – Mon, 2012-08-06 17:31 | Permalink

Comment

Jonathan,

Oh wow, this was fast. Thank you so much! I've looked at the link and am having a hard time making out the writing. My Spanish is minimal. I did take Spanish in school and that allows me to figure out words here and there, but it takes me awhile. I'm not familiar with Mexico and the states so I have been doing some reading and research to help me better identify where my ancestors lived. My research has given me a great deal of respect for the hardships that my ancestors endured. I appreciate you looking at my research and I would really appreciate a list of the names so that I might research them.

Thank you,

Juanita Henniger

Comment

Hellow and thank you Raul,

I had actually found the name, but had not been able to find any evidence that Conseulo was their child. I knew all of my great aunts and did not know Conseulo. I had been looking for a death certificate to match and missed the obvious of looking for a birth registration. The census report I did stumble onto last month. But from the this record I see that we have been looking for my great grand mother in the wrong place. Thank you so much. This is extremely helpful. Everyone has been so helpful and I'm so grateful that I found this site.

Thank you,

Juanita Henniger

Published by juanitahenniger – Tue, 2012-08-07 05:51 | Permalink

Comment

Johathan,

I found the list of names, christening dates of Sandate sibilings, grandparents etc. I also found a marriage record for Matena's parents, but after looking at the marriage records for that I year I think their might be an error in the date. I'm going to try a different year today. I am having trouble reading and understanding Pedro's parents names. If you could help me with that I'd appreciate it. After reviewing the record you posted I have a awful feeling that I've been researching the wrong Pedro, but I'm grateful that I'm the right path.
Also, since I'm new here, I want to make sure I'm posting in the right forum.
Thank you so much for your help.

Juanita Henniger

General Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2

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For those interested in following Los Altos de Jalisco, Northern
California/Sacramento region, you may want to review the life of Martin
Ramirez, incredible artist who spent the later part of hi

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Published by Ramirez – Mon, 2009-08-03 07:45 | Permalink

Comment

Hola Deborah, éste artista originario de mi bello Tepatitlán ha sido reconocido últimamente en su lugar de nacimiento, donde antes no se tenía conocimiento de él. Se ha publicado un libro sobre su vida y obra en el Consejo de Cronistas de Tepatitlán y al leer sobre él me surgió la necesidad de investigar su genealogía, ya que compartimos el mismo apellido y encontré algo sobre su línea de Ramírez.

Martín Ramírez González.

Padres: Gertrudis Ramírez Medina y Juana González de la Torre.

Abuelos: José Ignacio Ramírez Plascencia y María Francisca Medina Vásquez.

Bisabuelos: Feliciano Ramírez Torres e Ignacia Plascencia Velásquez.

Tatarabuelos: Vicente Ramírez e Ines de Torres.

Es lo poco que tengo sobre Martín Ramírez, si alguno de ustedes me puede ayudar a seguir con la línea se los agradeceré muchísimo.

También quiero comentar que Martín Ramírez es pariente del S.E. Monseñor Francisco Ramírez Navarro, Obispo Auxiliar de la Arquidiócesis de Tlalnepantla, Estado de México ya que el padre del mentado obispo es hermano de Martín Ramírez. Muchos de sus familiares son conocidos míos, ya que son mis vecinos.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
Messenger cumple 10 años y tiene regalos para ti
www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx

Comment

Hola Jorge Luis, yo soy una bisnieta de Martin Ramirez. Tengo mucho interes en la informacion que Ud ha encontrado sobre mi familia. Como encontro esta informacion? Tiene Ud actas de nascimiento o de matrimonio? Nosotros (En EEUU) solamente tenemos informacion hasta sus Abuelos: José Ignacio Ramírez Plascencia y María Francisca Medina Vásquez. Me interesa seguir buscando y investigando. Si me puede dirigir a donde encontro esto, lo agradeceriamos mucho.

Saludos,
Elba Alonso de Ortega

Arias de Aguascalientes

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Estoy buscando más información de una familia con el apellido Arias en Aguascalientes a principios de los 1800s.

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Greetings fellow geneaologists!

Hi my name is Mario. The names I am researching are Valadez and Berumen in Jerez, Susticacan, and Tepetongo(Zac).

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Published by andrews90032 – Mon, 2012-08-06 19:08 | Permalink

Comment

Hello Mario,
My research is also in Jerez, Susticacan and Tepetongo. However, my ancestors are Valdez (not Valadez)and Berumen. If you have some names and dates, I would be happy to see If I can assist you in your research.

Good Luck,
Barbara

Published by longsjourney – Sun, 2012-08-05 11:15 | Permalink

Comment

Mario I also research Jerez, can you give me some dates and names? My line of Valadez connects to Sanchez in Cienega  and Santa Rita, Jerez
I also have many Buremen in my records.
Linda in B.C.
 

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Greetings fellow geneaologists!

Hi my name is Mario. The names I am researching are Valadez and Berumen in Jerez, Susticacan, and Tepetongo(Zac).

For the Jalisco part of my family, my interest are in the Gomez Family of Ayutla.
Looking forward to corresponding with everyone.
my best,

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Published by longsjourney – Sun, 2012-08-05 12:20 | Permalink

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I just checked my files and found a different set of parents in my files for Jose Nasario Valadez and Maria Josefa Reyes
:

marriage information recorded 20 May 1797 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Nasario Valadez, Indio from Rancho de Santa Rita age 25
parents: Manuel Candelario Valadez and Manuela Casilda de Espinosa
with Maria Josefa de los Reyes Mulata libre from Rancho Santa Barbara age 15
parents: Jose Mariano de los Reyes deceased and Maria Ramona de la Cueva
wit: Francisco Xavier Felix, Francisco Gonzales and Pedro Bermudes Espanoles
posted 21, 25 and 28 May 1797
source: 0439900 Jerez marriage information record

I have 4 children listed for them.
1.Romualda Valadez married to Doroteo Ruiz
2.Francisca born abt 1818
3.Petra Valadez married to Ventura Hernandez
4. Maria Longina Valadez :
baptism 26 MAR 1822 Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Maria Longina born in Santa Rita 9 days old
parents: Nasario Valades and Josefa de los Reyes
pat grn not listed
mat grn: Mariano de los Reyes and Ramona de la Cueva
godparent: Posiano Dosal
Source : 0439850 film
Batch No.: C600807 1820 - 1828
page 150 Family search online pilot program

Published by juan francisco… – Sun, 2012-08-05 19:42 | Permalink

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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Mario, in the films of monte Escobedo there are some people with the lastname Berumes maybe Berumen thata married with Sanchez-Castellanos. I recomend to search in Monte Escobedo because is a key that many people did not do it. Monte Escobedo was a town with many last names of Jerez and Tlaltenango, Berumes,Martinez de Barragan, Sanchez-Castellanos, Escobedo, Marquez de los Olivos,De la Torre, Carrillo, Felix de Arellano, Ulloa, Soto, del Real, Ruiz de Esquivel, Renteria, Gamboa, Bermudes de Castro, Casas, etc.

I am waiting the films of Colotlan that will be the other lost key to complete the search.

If you want to share information with Sanchez-Castellanos, write me by e-mail

Good look!

Published by mariogvaladez2012 – Sun, 2012-09-02 15:59 | Permalink

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Hi Thank you for your email.

Yes, I found the name record. But I am confused on which one to continue.

Are you a Valadez too?

Mario Valadez

Published by mariogvaladez2012 – Fri, 2012-09-21 21:59 | Permalink

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Hello!

I am stuck with those 2 files where do I go from there. Which one can I trust?

Mario Valadez

Published by mariogvaladez2012 – Sun, 2012-09-02 15:58 | Permalink

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Hi Thank you for your email.

The Berumen names are the following:

Andres Berumen Marquez was born in 1861 or 1862 Susticacan, Zacatecas. He married Jacienta Rivera. They married in 1880.

Marriage Notes for Andres Berumen Marquez 2nd Marriage was 1907.

Generation No. 4

4. Margarito Berumen Zuniga was born in? He married Basilia Marquez.

Children are Berumen Marquez

i. Andres, b.?

ii. Ma. Pantaleona, b.1869

iii. Filomena, b.1872

Generation No. 5

5. Sotero Berumen was born in ? He married Maria Justa Rufina Zuniga ?

Children are Berumen Zuniga

i. Jose, b.1830

ii. Maria Maxima, b.1831

Berumen Origins in Mexico

FRANCISCO DE BERUMEN (O Francisco Berubens)

natural de santiago de Compostela, nacido en Guipúzcoa, judío
sefardita.

En 1653 llega a Zacatecas. a mediados de 1658 contrae matrimonio con Juana de Vera y Miramontes.

Juana de Vera, nacida en Tlaltenango en 1636, hija de Juan de Vera (de
Malpaso e hijo de Santiago de Vera -judío converso-) y de Juana de
Miramontes (muere en Tlantenango en 1641 a los 26 años).

El abuelo maternao de Juana de Vera heredó a su nieta sus propiedades
aledañas al pueblo de Tepechitlán, según escritura dada a Francisco de
Berumen y su mujer el 31 de diciembre de 1662 en Guadalajara.

Así, Francisco de Berumen llegó a ser dueño de sitios de ganado mayor en la
villa de La Magdalena y en el pueblo de San Juan de Tepechitlán.

En 1701 el capitán Francisco de Berumen sale de Tlaltenango para
someter a los pueblos más rijosos de la región cora-hucihol, quienes lo derrotaron.

Doña Juana de Vera y Miramontes el 6 de mayo de 1703 declara ser vecina del Real de Minas de Nuestra Señora de la Purificación del Fresnillo
(comprendía toda la región) y que su hijo Lamberto ya es fallecido.

Sus hijos fueron:
BERNARDO, que emigrara hacia el norte, ACHIMEC y más tarde a la
Estancia de los Valdeses, llamada luego ESTANCIA DE LOS BERUMEN.
LAMBERTO, que se fuera con rumbo de Mezquitic.
MANUEL,
FRANCISCO,
JOSEFA
ISABEL BERUMEN DE VERA.

Mario Valadez

Lagos de Moreno 1872-1875

Published by Favian Villalobos –
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Alguien sabe donde puedo localizar los archivos de nacimientos (registro civil) registrados en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco del año 1872 hasta el 1875. Gracias.

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Thanks in advance. I believe I had already searched those links and didn´t find civil registration for the years I´m looking for but maybe I passed them by without noticing them so I´ll go ahead and take a look again. In any case, thanks for the heads up I´ll post later if I find what I´m looking for.

Favian

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