I have an ancestor from the late 1800's that was a Catholic priest in Zacatecas (possibly Jerez). I would like to find documentation, of his education.
Hi,
I'm researching Castañeda, Sanchez and Galvan.
Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos antiguos de jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan ,,, mil gracias de antemano
Se pueden ver aqui:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Jalostotitlán
Nuestra Señora de la Asunción
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of josejime@yahoo.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:14 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
>
> Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos antiguos de
> jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan ,,, mil gracias de
> antemano
Hello Joseph,
The last wills are not in those links. They would be found in Notary
Records. I have not heard of any of them being put on line for Lagos, San
Juan, Jalos, Tepa, or Arandas.
For Lagos he would have to go personally to the Archivo Historico de la
Parroquia de la Asuncion de Lagos de Moreno maintained by Mario Gómez Mata
He can learn more about that in a post Miguel Beltrán made about the
inauguration at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19307
Armando
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> Se pueden ver aqui:
>
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
>
> Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
> Jalostotitlán
> Nuestra Señora de la Asunción
>
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
>
> joseph
>
> =========================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> Clean@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> > bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of josejime@yahoo.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:14 AM
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
> >
> > Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos antiguos de
> > jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan ,,, mil gracias de
> > antemano
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Yes you are right. Have a look here for Notary records but they are in much more of a tangled mess than the Dispensa records that Claudia and others are in the process of untangling:
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?d…
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Archives and libraries - Directories
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Archives and libraries - Inventories, registers, catalogs
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Biography - Bibliography
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Census
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church directories
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church history
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church records
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Civil registration
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Colonization
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Court records
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Directories
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Genealogy
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - History
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - History - Sources
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Land and property
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Maps
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Notarial records <=============================
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Politics and government - 1540-1810
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Probate records
If you do find something of interest you can order them from your local family history center.
Joseph
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Joseph Puentes
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> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Armando
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:24 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
>
> Hello Joseph,
>
> The last wills are not in those links. They would be found in Notary
> Records. I have not heard of any of them being put on line for Lagos, San
> Juan, Jalos, Tepa, or Arandas.
>
> For Lagos he would have to go personally to the Archivo Historico de la
> Parroquia de la Asuncion de Lagos de Moreno maintained by Mario Gómez
> Mata He can learn more about that in a post Miguel Beltrán made about the
> inauguration at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19307
>
> Armando
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> > Se pueden ver aqui:
> >
> >
> > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.
> > familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2F12503223%3Fcc%3D1874591
> >
> > Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995 Jalostotitlán
> > Nuestra Señora de la Asunción
> >
> >
> > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.fami
> > lysearch.org/records/collection/1874591/waypoints
> >
> > joseph
> >
> > =========================
> >
> > Joseph Puentes
> > Clean@h2opodcast.com
> > http://h2opodcast.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> > > bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of josejime@yahoo.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:14 AM
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
> > >
> > > Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos
> > > antiguos de jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan
> > > ,,, mil gracias de antemano
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Augustin,
You are truly amazing! The information you have provided is a great start. Thank you very much. One last question, what does it mean when it states 'this marriage required a con
i'm not sure if i posted this in the correct category for this forum but i want to add films for Huejuquilla el Alto in the jalisco section of the films page.
This municipality is already in the films section.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films/Jalisco/1043
You can use the button at the bottom of that page to add films that are not yet in the listing.
Zacatecano,
My primo in Aguascalientes who is very involved in Charreadas wears the scarf under his charro hat. I asked him why he wore it since I only recalled J.
When working out in the yard I wear a straw sombrero, and I wear a scarf under it to keep the sweat out of my eyes and to keep the inside headband clean and dry. I assume that is why Apaches and Mexicans and Californios wore "rags" on their heads when out riding. The hats have a string that goes under the chin to keep the hat on in the wind.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> From: igomezlucero@csus.edu
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:43:27 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 76, Issue 20
>
> Zacatecano,
>
> My primo in Aguascalientes who is very involved in Charreadas wears the scarf under his charro hat. I asked him why he wore it since I only recalled J. Ma Morelos and the Californios. His response was to keep the hat on. Apparently the silk scarf gives his hat traction. My primo is losing his hair by the way.
>
> Irma Gomez Gtz
> N. California
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:03 PM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What colonial clothing style would you wear if there were a colonial costume party?
> >
> > The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me.? I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation.? I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.
> >
> > Also I am curios about the styles of clothing.? For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head.? Kind of like what pirates wear.
> >
> > On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose Maria Morelos wears one.
> >
> > Can someone tell me what do you call that style of cloth that people from the colonial days wore covering the scalp of their heads? It is like what the pirates wore.
> >
> >
> > If there were a Nuestros Ranchos Colonial Costume party,? what style would you wear?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
That string you are referring to is called a barbiquejo. Charros do use it
to keep their sombreros from flying off by placing it under their chin, but
they sometimes also place in between their chin and their bottom lip (right
at the crease between the bottom lip and the chin). I saw my grandfather
wear it both ways. If you go to a charreada or coleadero you'll see the
charros place the barbiquejo in both positions.
Juan Carlos Aguayo Munoz
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:
>
> When working out in the yard I wear a straw sombrero, and I wear a scarf
> under it to keep the sweat out of my eyes and to keep the inside headband
> clean and dry. I assume that is why Apaches and Mexicans and Californios
> wore "rags" on their heads when out riding. The hats have a string that
> goes under the chin to keep the hat on in the wind.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
> > From: igomezlucero@csus.edu
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:43:27 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 76, Issue 20
> >
> > Zacatecano,
> >
> > My primo in Aguascalientes who is very involved in Charreadas wears the
> scarf under his charro hat. I asked him why he wore it since I only
> recalled J. Ma Morelos and the Californios. His response was to keep the
> hat on. Apparently the silk scarf gives his hat traction. My primo is
> losing his hair by the way.
> >
> > Irma Gomez Gtz
> > N. California
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:03 PM
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What colonial clothing style would you
> wear if there were a colonial costume party?
> > >
> > > The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me.? I am curious about those
> carriages that were used for transportation.? I saw one in a museum in
> Zacatecas.
> > >
> > > Also I am curios about the styles of clothing.? For instance, the
> triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some
> of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head.? Kind of
> like what pirates wear.
> > >
> > > On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose Maria Morelos wears one.
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me what do you call that style of cloth that people
> from the colonial days wore covering the scalp of their heads? It is like
> what the pirates wore.
> > >
> > >
> > > If there were a Nuestros Ranchos Colonial Costume party,? what style
> would you wear?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Hello everyone,I need some assistance please. If anyone is researching Tepechitlan, Tlatenango or El Teul, Zacatecas I am hoping you could help.
My later line of Luna (which I am unable to trace back further) goes to:
Felix Luna who married Maria de los Angeles Trejo in 1851, in Tlaltenango.
I haven't been able to make definitive prior connections on the Luna
line. If there is a connection out there to this line, I'd sure be delighted.
Later descendants from this line that I was able to trace from Tlaltenango
include:
Felix Luna and Maria Trejo married 2/26/1851…
Ambrosio Luna Trejo b: 1851 and Patricia Sandoval
Atanacio Luna Trejo b: 1855 and Maria Florencia Herrera Corchado
Margarito Luna Trejo b: 1853 and Regina Herrera married in
1876
Maria Petra Luna Trejo: b: 1856
Edward....I have not worked on my Luna line for several years,
now, I see that I need to verify some of the information.
Juan Lorenzo Luna - abt 1656
Tetela de Ocampo, Puebla
Church - Santa Maria de la Asuncion
spouse: Maria Magdalena
their son:
Francisco Luna 1676
film & batch numbers - 240526 - J600734
church - San Juan Evangelista - Acatzino, Puebla
spouse: Maria Beronica
their son:
Juan Antonio Luna - abt 1698
married 10 June 1718 - Acatzino Puebla
film & batch numbers 240564 - M605653
spouse - Theresa Fernandez
Their son:
Tadeo Nicolas Luna
according to marriage record, born Puesto de San Buena Ventura
Tlaltenango -
married 5 June 1740 - Colotlan, Jalisco
spouse - Juana Clemencia Alvarez
film & batch numbers - 443781 - M604661
Perhaps, your ancestors may have been in Puebla then,
Zacatecas.
I have a second Luna line, with later dates, that I have not been
able to connect with the first line. Hope this helps.
________________________________
From: "edwardarceluna@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 8:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco De Luna
Hello everyone,I need some assistance please. If anyone is researching Tepechitlan, Tlatenango or El Teul, Zacatecas I am hoping you could help. I am reserching Francisco De Luna His wife is Maria De Tapia born in Tlatenango, Zacatecas on 1637, they had a son named Luise De luna Born in 1624 In Tlatenango, Zacatecas .
I cant seem to find any info on Francisco De Luna. Most of my ancesters are found in Arroyo Hondo, Tepechitlan, Tlatenango and El Teul, Zacatecas. I am assuming that Francisco might of came from colima or Guadalajara. Any Info or web site you might have will be helpfull. Francisco De Luna is my 10 great grnd father.
Thank You
Misteryriver:
I´m descendent of Juan Antonio de Luna and Teresa Fernandez, I found them in the marriage of Nicolas Tadeo de Luna my grand father x 7.
Are you sure about Juan Antonio de Luna was born in Puebla? is he son of Francisco de Luna? is the same person? Puebla is so far away from Tlaltenango.
Chema
Hello,
I'm hoping I could discover good references or names of families who traveled to Santa Fe pre 1680. Sur names of Torres and Garcia (Garcia-Noriega)would be nice.
Brenndan Torres
I forgot to mention two things. Most colonists that came to Santa Fe were from Zacatecas.
And Mr. Puentes recommended I add my link,
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/brenndant5
thanks, again.
B.T.
Muy buen dia, escribo debido a que ando en una intensa busqueda de la partida de matromonio de mi bisabuelo y mi bisabuela.
Hola Jesús, me llamo Daniel Méndez Camino, y también tnego líneas en Ciudad Guzmán. Interesant de tu origen alemán, muchos dicen que en Méjico no hay alemanes pero es falso. Ya hoy en día y desde siglos pueden encontrar todos tipos de europeos en Méjico, desde inglés a ruso. Pues tus ancestors eran emigrantes esto es bueno, ellos necistaban pedir un matrimonio de ultramarino si era ncatólicos. Debes buscar en los registros del Arzobispado de Guadalajara. -Daniel
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Kenneth Bech
Gracias por tu commentario, me podrias explicar un poco mas a te refieres con matrimonio de ultramarino, yo ya lo habia oido con respecto a demostrar la solteria de extranjeros, pero no con respecto a matrimonios.
Tambien anduve viendo en la pagina del Arzobispado de Guadalajara, y realmente no veo algun email o algun contacto especifico para este tipo de consultas. Tendras tu alguno?
slds,
Hola, Gracias a los que me han podido ayudar con el lado Bech Javalois de la familia.
Ahora me queda pendiente el lado Bech Hesse.
Como comente en los anteriores posts, lo que busco ahora es basicamente es el acta de matrimonio de Georg Bech y Hulda Hesse. Ambos alemanes radicando en Ciudad Guzman. Encontre el acta de nacimiento del hijo de ellos dos "Antonio Bech". El acta dice:
"En ciudad Guzmán, el dos de Agosto de mil ochocientos ochenta y siete compareció en este registro civil a las once de la mañana el ciudadano Jorge Bech, ingeniero de treinta y un anos de edad, casado con Hulda Hesse de veintiocho anos de edad, ambos originarios de la provincia de Sajonia del imperio Alemán y vecinos de la hacienda de Santa Cruz y expuso que el treinta y uno del pasado a las cuatro de la mañana en el cuartel Quinto de esta ciudad dio a luz su esposa el niño que presenta, vivo el que se da fe tener a la vista y que se llamara Antonio que es el primer hijo de su matrimonio. El niño presentado es nieto por línea paterna de Antonio y de Natalia Bech y por la materna de Carlos y Otilia Hesse. Señores testigos de este cito Jesús Gómez, soltero y Armando Lorea, casado, ampliando mayores de edad y de esta de esta vecindad. Con lo que concluyo la presente acta que se le dio lectura y conforme con su contenido firman:
Jesús Gómez
Georg. Bech
Petra Palacios
Armando Lorea"
Les agradeceria profundamente cualquier ayuda que me puedan dar para ayudarme a localizar el acta de matrimonio de ambos, ya que tengo la sospecha de que ellos se casaron en Ciudad Guzman o sino en la Hacienda Santa Cruz.
Muchas Gracias de antemano,
Kenneth Bech
Hola, todavia requiero de algun documento que me indique Hulda y Georg (Jorge) se hayan casado en Mexico, estamos seguros que ahi fue sin embargo no sabemos a que direccion de correo podemos contactar ya que he probado varias para el arzobispado de Guadalajara sin recibir alguna respuesta.
Cualquier ayuda que nos puedan dar es apreciada.
Kenneth Bech
Ramon Suarez Córdova y Gregoria Javalois Garcia padres de Arturo y muy posiblemente de tu Enriqueta.. de Tapachula Chiapas Gregoria hija de Jose Maria javalois y Alvina Garcia
1.
Arturo Gonzalo Suarez Javalois - International Genealogical Index - Mexico
Gender: Male Birth: 03 DEC 1898 Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico : 1968 Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico
2.
Gregoria Javalois Garcia - International Genealogical Index - Mexico
Gender: Female Birth: 1872 Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico
3.
José Maria Javalois - International Genealogical Index - Mexico
Gender: Male Birth: 1838 Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico
Leticia Reynoso
Solo se que Antonio luego se caso con Enriqueta Suarez Javalois de origen mejicano el 23 de noviembre de 1912 en Retalhuleu, Guatemala. Se que Enriqueta era mejicana porque en mi abuelo, Carlos Antonio Bech Suarez, hijo de Antonio Bech y Enriqueta Suarez
_________________________________________________________________
Gracias Messenger por estos 10 años
www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx
Kenneth Bech
Estaba viendo y si es una posibilidad de que sea de Tapachula, he estado preguntando en mi familia y al parecer Enriqueta nacio en 1889, lo unico es que no sabemos exactamente donde. Tapachula es muy cerca en la frontera con Guatemala y por lo tanto puede ser que ella haya vivido muy poco tiempo en Tapachula o se hayan alternado entre Tapachula y Guatemala. Se que se casaron en Guatemala el 28 de nov de 1912 y de hecho tengo la partida de matrimonio de Antonio Bech Hesse y Enriqueta Suarez Javalois.
Gracias por tu ayuda. Todavia del lado Bech Hesse, ando buscando algun record del matrimonio de Jorge Bech con Hulda Hesse. Tambien averigue que Jorge era un ingeniero de oficio.
slds,
Resulta que Jose Maria Javalois abuelo de tu Enriqueta era nacido en tapachula era Hermano de Alejandro Javalois Pardo quien radico en Guatemala en el mismo pueblo donde vivió tu Enriqueta, Rhtl...
ambos hijos de Ignacio y Manuela Pardo quienes al parecer estuvieron en Guatemala luego en Tapachula y de regreso.. quien radico en Guatemala en el mismo pueblo donde vivió tu Enriqueta, Rhtl...Guatemala Lety R
_________________________________________________________________
Messenger cumple 10 años y tiene regalos para ti
www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx
Siriuslr
Muchas Gracias por tu ayuda, es muy interesante saber esto para buscar mas informacion. Te tengo tres preguntas:
Acabo de averiguar que Enriqueta es hija de Ramon Suarez Cordova y Gregoria Javalois Garcia como dice mas arriba, viendo el acta de nacimiento de Enriqueta.
2) Esta informacion la encontraste en el familysearch.org ?
3) Con respecto al Bech Hesse, no tendras algun otro tipo de informacion?
Muchas Gracias!
Ken:
Si existe la partida de matrimonio de tus bisabuelos en la Ciudad Guzman debe estar en uno de estos rollos:
Matrimonios 1874-1883 FHL INTL Film 281952
Matrimonios 1883-1893 FHL INTL Film 281953
Parece que esos rollos no quedan con indice en familysearch.org asi que tocara consultar el rollo, pero para esa epoca solian tener muy buen indice los libros parroquiales.
Kenneth Bech
Gracias por tu ayuda, tengo la consulta de que si tu sabes como era en esa epoca. Digamos que ellos se hayan casado en una capilla en la hacienda Santa Cruz, que quedaba cerca de ciudad guzman. Las capillas y pequenas iglesias mandaban sus registros a las iglesias principales, sabes como era?
slds,
Cada parroquia mantenia registros, asi que los sacramentos que se otorgaban en las capillas de esa parroquia se registraban en los libros del templo principal de la parroquia. Hay veces que una capilla bastante grande con su propio cura comenzaba a mantener sus registros por separado pero en esos casos, suelen aparecer esos libros en el catalogo de familysearch por separado tambien.
En el caso de Ciudad Guzman, no parece que hubiese libros separados para ninguna de las capillas de la parroquia.
I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part.
Race iS a very touchy subject that sometimes it is best to not join in when it comes up. Many people considered seven eighths espanol as an espanol. Some people that were more sensitive would consider any amount of Indian descendany as coyote and still there are some people who would consider a drop of Indian blood to label them Indian. When I was growing up I remember hearing that If you had a drop of black blood than you were black . My father's skin color is white he takes after my paternal grandmother whose skin was the whitest that I have ever seen even whiter than my Swedish neighbors. My paternal grandfather was not dark yet his great grandmother had a white mother and a mulato father from teocaltiche This means that those that state that a few drops of black blood make a person black would call my dad black though you would have a very hard time finding anyone whiter than him. My dad and grandmother were not albinos but were as close to being albinos as you ca
n get without being albino
Race is a subject sometimes best left alone is what was trying to be communicated by Sr tovar de teresa. I do not believe that he was trying to offend anyone in discussing the subject
I believe that that his point was that there is no room for racist comments in a genealogical forum. Anyone doing serious genealogical work better be prepared for some surprises.
I have taken great joy in trying to unravel and take pride when I succeed In figuring out the cloaked "races" in my family
RA Ricci
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On May 17, 2012, at 3:58 PM, detective1920@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister reufgio is labeled as espanol.
>
> I am soo confused.
>
> have any of you guys have this problem?
I agree Race IS a very touchy subject. If you all don't mind maybe we have
said enough about this subject for this thread. In the past this topic has
spiraled into long conversations that have turned into strong disagreements
that border on rudeness. I hate to step in but I've had to in the past and
am kind of jumping in early this time.
I have an idea though, if any of you all want to continue the discussion why
not take it to private email. Just copy and paste all the various email
addresses of the individuals and have at it via private email.
Thanks for understanding.
Joseph
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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com
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> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:00 AM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old
> catholic church records common?
>
> Race iS a very touchy subject that sometimes it is best to not join in
> when it comes up. Many people considered seven eighths espanol as an
> espanol. Some people that were more sensitive would consider any amount
> of Indian descendany as coyote and still there are some people who would
> consider a drop of Indian blood to label them Indian. When I was growing
> up I remember hearing that If you had a drop of black blood than you were
> black . My father's skin color is white he takes after my paternal
> grandmother whose skin was the whitest that I have ever seen even whiter
> than my Swedish neighbors. My paternal grandfather was not dark yet his
> great grandmother had a white mother and a mulato father from teocaltiche
> This means that those that state that a few drops of black blood make a
> person black would call my dad black though you would have a very hard
> time finding anyone whiter than him. My dad and grandmother were not
> albinos but were as close to being albinos as you ca
> n get without being albino
> Race is a subject sometimes best left alone is what was trying to be
> communicated by Sr tovar de teresa. I do not believe that he was trying
> to offend anyone in discussing the subject
> I believe that that his point was that there is no room for racist
> comments in a genealogical forum. Anyone doing serious genealogical work
> better be prepared for some surprises.
> I have taken great joy in trying to unravel and take pride when I succeed
> In figuring out the cloaked "races" in my family RA Ricci Sent from my
> iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2012, at 3:58 PM, detective1920@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage
> records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of
> his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example
> silvestre's marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says
> he's indio. one of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as
> coyote. two of his siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled
> indio. his sister reufgio is labeled as espanol.
> >
> > I am soo confused.
> >
> > have any of you guys have this problem?
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Dear Detective, since you don't provide your first name, I must address you by the name of detective.
What years are you talking about in terms of the particular records. In the early colonial days of Mexico, about 90 % of the inhabitants of colonial Mexico were indigenous people so anything is possible. If the records you're referring to are from the 1600's to the 1700's it's very likely that they may have been indio's or indigenous people but keep searching to see what you find.
When posting a question, add as much information as possible such as the years, the town or the region, the more detail you provide, the more feedback you'll get.
Alicia,
San Jose, CA
________________________________
From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic church records common?
I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister reufgio is labeled as espanol.
I am soo confused.
have any of you guys have this problem?
In my own case, a family history of dispensas reaching back to the
1500-1600s is provided in one of the marriage entries in Luz Montejana
Hilton's book Sagrada Mitra for several of my ancestors. They are ALL
espanoles. Then an actual filmed (by the FHL) birth entry of the daughter
of the married couple in 175 something states she is Mestiza. Go
figure!!!! Marge :)
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Dear Detective, since you don't provide your first name, I must address
> you by the name of detective.
>
> What years are you talking about in terms of the particular records. In
> the early colonial days of Mexico, about 90 % of the inhabitants of
> colonial Mexico were indigenous people so anything is possible. If the
> records you're referring to are from the 1600's to the 1700's it's very
> likely that they may have been indio's or indigenous people but keep
> searching to see what you find.
>
>
> When posting a question, add as much information as possible such as the
> years, the town or the region, the more detail you provide, the more
> feedback you'll get.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, CA
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:58 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic
> church records common?
>
> I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage
> records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his
> siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example
> silvestre's marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says
> he's indio. one of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as
> coyote. two of his siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled
> indio. his sister reufgio is labeled as espanol.
>
> I am soo confused.
>
> have any of you guys have this problem?
my first name is katherine.
anyway the records i am talking about were written during the 1700's. i'm not sure how many people had spanish ancestry back then in mexico, but i found it weird that even though the children in question had the same mom and dad(i think), their racial categorizations are different. one would expect full siblings to all be racially categorized the same.
this family lived in tepetongo. the parents are estevan villaneda and maria geronima montes. i'm talking about their children named silvestre, clemente, joseph maria de jesus, maria antonia ,refugio, and dionosio
Dear Katherine,
Just remember that racial identity was strictly visual by the priest officiating, or what the parents reported. There was no DNA. Done of my family ancestors are described as Mulato in one church document and Español in another document. The caste system in Colonial Mexico was predominant. So take with a grain of salt. Welcome to the world of genealogy and history.
Paul J. Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Sent from my iPad
On May 19, 2012, at 10:13 PM, detective1920@yahoo.com wrote:
> my first name is katherine.
>
> A
Váyase con cuidado. Le recomiendo quitarse el nombre de detective. Si quiere
meterse en cuestiones raciales, ponerse de detective es agresivo y
estúpido. Le advierto: TENGA MUCHO CUIDADO! En nuestra página no aceptamos
ni detectives ni racistas! Es una página genealógica, no policiaca. No vaya
a resultar que usted desciende de indios o de negros, que lo avergüencen.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
detective1920@yahoo.com
Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2012 05:58 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic
church records common?
I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records
from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings,
the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's
marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one
of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his
siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister
reufgio is labeled as espanol.
I am soo confused.
have any of you guys have this problem?
katherine brecht-
gmotviar, i was just asking a question. I was just confused about why those siblings were classified differently.
Creo que no tiene merito dar una respuesta tan agresiva a este participante ya que solo es la direccion de su correo personal. Un detective puede ser detective de muchas formas. Detective o investigador y creo que hasta cierto punto, todos somos detectives de la vida, mas si estamos estudiando a nuestros ancestros, nos sentimos como detectives. Creo o me imagino que su intencion no fue de ofender a nadie en este foro y asi lo tomare solo como comentario y no como algo ofensivo.
Sin mas, una humilde servidora a los miembros de este foro.
Que este bien senor Tovar, deseandole todo lo mejor.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Guillermo Tovar de Teresa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic church records common?
Váyase con cuidado. Le recomiendo quitarse el nombre de detective. Si quiere
meterse en cuestiones raciales, ponerse de detective es agresivo y
estúpido. Le advierto: TENGA MUCHO CUIDADO! En nuestra página no aceptamos
ni detectives ni racistas! Es una página genealógica, no policiaca. No vaya
a resultar que usted desciende de indios o de negros, que lo avergüencen.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
detective1920@yahoo.com
Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2012 05:58 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic
church records common?
I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records
from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings,
the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's
marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one
of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his
siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister
reufgio is labeled as espanol.
I am soo confused.
have any of you guys have this problem?
katherine brecht-
thank you for answering my question. i didn't know that you could pay a priest to mark your child as espanol. i'm guessing doing this was probably expensive so i wonder how they got the money to do that especially since native mexican weren't allowed to get higher paying jobs.
the priest did not write the record, a scribe did.. for the most part our ancestors never saw the records and most did not read or write.
________________________________
From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization
katherine brecht-
thank you for answering my question. i didn't know that you could pay a priest to mark your child as espanol. i'm guessing doing this was probably expensive so i wonder how they got the money to do that especially since native mexican weren't allowed to get higher paying jobs.
katherine brecht-
oh ok, so the scribe probably didn't see some of kids and probably took a guess
I found this also in the records from Zacatecas, Michocan and Jalisco so just chalked it up to the scribe deciding by how dark or light the child was.
I also read somewhere that the childs "race" could be bought with money or parents who had money or prestige were upgraded to Espanol. I know in the case of my Caldera lines the original Mother of Miguel and Maria Caldera was an Yndian yet their decendants are always described as Espanol during the years race was recorded for the church.
Linda in Everett
________________________________
From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic church records common?
I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record says he's indio. one of his brothers ygnio/hignio birth records labels him as coyote. two of his siblings clemente, and maria antonia are also labeled indio. his sister reufgio is labeled as espanol.
I am soo confused.
have any of you guys have this problem?
the record can be found in the link below. It's for a maria de la torre
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-14262-36?cc=1874591&wc…
I agree with rapalato's interpretation of the certificate, she died of tavardillo. According to the RAE dictionary, tabardillo may mean typhus (medical definition) or insolation (colloquial definition).
http://www.rae.es/rae.html
tabardillo.
(En b. lat. tabardilii, en port. tabardilho).
1. m. coloq. insolación (‖ malestar o enfermedad).
2. m. coloq. Persona alocada, bulliciosa y molesta.
3. m. Med. p. us. tifus (‖ enfermedad infecciosa).
~ pintado.
1. m. desus. tifus exantemático.
Victoriano Navarro
good morning.. what is your first name?
I can't read it all either but I can read this part:
burial 20 Aug 1831 in San Luis de Colotlan,
Maria de la Torre Espanola from this jurisdiction in el puestro de la Voca age 40
died from fauaz..lla seria ???
husband: Phelipe Quesada
she received the sacraments
________________________________
From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is anyone able to decipher what this death record is saying
the record can be found in the link below. It's for a maria de la torre
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-14262-36?cc=1874591&wc…
Sorry for creating another thread again in the past two days, but the crusive in this record is very hard to read. the only part i was able read besides her name is that she died on august 20 1731, and that she was the wife of phelipe quezada.
i can't read the rest. i'm hopin g this records mentions her age and/or birthplace also.
Posible interpretación a los datos del acta.
María de la Torre española del pueblo de la Voca casada
En 20 días del mes de agosto de mil setecientos treinta y uno ene sta parroquia de san luis de Colotlan el (excelentisimo Santiago Corona) Diò cristiana sepultura a María de la Torre española originaria de esta jurisdicción en el Pueblo de la Voca. C Con felipe Quezada vecino de los santos Inocentes Muriò de tabardillo y serìa de edad cuarenta años.
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:50:18 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] is anyone able to decipher what this death record is saying
>
> good morning.. what is your first name?
> I can't read it all either but I can read this part:
>
> burial 20 Aug 1831 in San Luis de Colotlan,
> Maria de la Torre Espanola from this jurisdiction in el puestro de la Voca age 40
> died from fauaz..lla seria ???
> husband: Phelipe Quesada
> she received the sacraments
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:56 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is anyone able to decipher what this death record is saying
>
> the record can be found in the link below. It's for a maria de la torre
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-14262-36?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> Sorry for creating another thread again in the past two days, but the crusive in this record is very hard to read. the only part i was able read besides her name is that she died on august 20 1731, and that she was the wife of phelipe quezada.
>
> i can't read the rest. i'm hopin g this records mentions her age and/or birthplace also.
>
It appears that she died on the same day as her burial. She was from Las Boacas (ranch) and was married to Phelipe Quesada and died of "Fauazdilla?". She was 40 according to the record. Does anyone know the translation of the cause of death.
Jose Carlos de Leon
typo: it should be Las Bocas
Jose Carlos de Leon
thank you guys. at least i know her age now. stes offs to look for her baptismal record
> No se porque se enoja Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, la persona llamada detective solo se esta encontrando con un problema muy comun cuando uno busca en los archivos de la Iglesia y no se porque afirm
Hola Primos, me he detenido en mi busqueda por no encontrar a los padres de Juan Manuel Alvarez Tostado y de Maria Josefa Lomelin,
Adrián Márquez Padilla
segun los registros de nacimiento de sus hijos Jose Ignacio, Juan Manuel y Jose Antonio Alejandro ellos radicaban en Nochistlan, Zacatecas, pero en family search no hay registros religiosos de Zacatecas..
Joseph Antonio Alexandro Alvares Lomelin 07 Aug 1747 NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Estimado Adrián:
Si hay registros religiosos de Zacatecas en Familysearch. Se encuentran en
el mismo directorio o archivo que se encuentran los de Aguascalientes. El
enlace de los de Zacatecas es el siguiente -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
El siguiente enlace es el mismo pero mas corto - http://goo.gl/MMCLl
Saludos
Armando
2012/5/17
> Adrián Márquez Padilla
>
> segun los registros de nacimiento de sus hijos Jose Ignacio, Juan Manuel y
> Jose Antonio Alejandro ellos radicaban en Nochistlan, Zacatecas, pero en
> family search no hay registros religiosos de Zacatecas..
>
> Joseph Antonio Alexandro Alvares Lomelin 07 Aug 1747
> NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
>
Adrián Márquez Padilla
Muchas gracias Armando por la dirección, enfocare la busqueda hacia esa area, por lo revizado esta pareja vivia en Mesticacan y llevaban sus oficios en Nochistlan, Zacatecas, en donde se encuentran muchos personajes con el apellido Lomelin, ya te ire informando de los avances.
En la busqueda de los padres de Juan Manuel Alvarez Tostado y de Maria Josepha Felix de Lomelin, he encontrado que radicaban en Mesticacan, pero al parecer eran originarios de Jalostotitlan, en el bautismo de su hijo Jose Antonio Alejandro, aparecen como padrinos Francisco Alvarez Tostado y Maria Antonia de Lomelin, buscando este matrimonio nos informa de los padres de ambos.
Padres de Francisco Xavier Alvarez Tostado: Joseph Alvarez y Magdalena Enriquez, (Joseph era ya viudo de Maria Manuela Delgadillo)
Padres de Maria Antonia de Lomelin: Antonio Lomelin y Petronila Alvarez Tostado,
El matrimonio se llevo a cabo el 14 de febrero de 1751 (se tiene la imagen del acta).
Pudiera ser que Juan Manuel y Francisco Javier fueran hermanos y asi mismo Josepha Felix y Maria Antonia, solo se podra confirmar encontrando el acta de matrimonio de Juan Manuel y Josepha.
Saludos
Yolanda
________________________________
From: "adrianmapa50@yahoo.com.mx"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padres de Juan Manuel
Adrián Márquez Padilla
Muchas gracias Armando por la dirección, enfocare la busqueda hacia esa area, por lo revizado esta pareja vivia en Mesticacan y llevaban sus oficios en Nochistlan, Zacatecas, en donde se encuentran muchos personajes con el apellido Lomelin, ya te ire informando de los avances.
En la busqueda de los padres de Juan Manuel Alvarez Tostado y de Maria Josepha Felix de Lomelin, he encontrado que radicaban en Mesticacan, pero al parecer eran originarios de Jalostotitlan, en el bautismo de su hijo Jose Antonio Alejandro, aparecen como padrinos Francisco Alvarez Tostado y Maria Antonia de Lomelin, buscando este matrimonio nos informa de los padres de ambos.
Padres de Francisco Xavier Alvarez Tostado: Joseph Alvarez y Magdalena Enriquez, (Joseph era ya viudo de Maria Manuela Delgadillo)
Padres de Maria Antonia de Lomelin: Antonio Lomelin y Petronila Alvarez Tostado,
El matrimonio se llevo a cabo el 14 de febrero de 1751 (se tiene la imagen del acta).
Pudiera ser que Juan Manuel y Francisco Javier fueran hermanos y asi mismo Josepha Felix y Maria Antonia, solo se podra confirmar encontrando el acta de matrimonio de Juan Manuel y Josepha.
Saludos
I was going through the latest list of Matrimonial Dispensations, thanks to the hard work of our friends of NR, and researched the dispensation of Jose Altamirano and Maria Rita Garcia de Alba:
while i was looking up the surname villaneda on family search i found an entry for a pedro villaneda of huerjcar born on 1778
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSFH-YHM
Hola Jose Luis,
Aunque no comparto los mismos apellidos que tu mencionas, si tengo ancestros
de la Estanzuela, Zac. y de San Cristobal de la Barranca, Jalisco. No he
avanzado la linea de San Cristobal de la Barranca mucho. Solo tengo copia
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Yo vi muchos Guzman en los registros de Mezquital del oro entre 1766 y 1809 posteriormente mandaron los archivos por El teul pero tambien yo perdi el rastro ya que no encuentrio los microfilms en linea
Juan
Yo estoy siguiendo la linea de mi madre ,hija de Teresa Guzman originaria de la estanzuela y estoy recolectando toda la informacion de todos los de apellido guzman para saber la relacion y el origen podemos intercambiar informacion.
Jose luis felix
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:57:40 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guzman de La estanzuela
>
> Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
>
> Yo vi muchos Guzman en los registros de Mezquital del oro entre 1766 y 1809 posteriormente mandaron los archivos por El teul pero tambien yo perdi el rastro ya que no encuentrio los microfilms en linea
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Gracias Felix por el correo, solo que yo en mis estudios de genealogia ando buscando el apellido Sanchez del rancho la Tetilla, algunos de mis ancestros se casaron con Antonia Guzman y uno Con Petra Guzman haya por 1820-1830 pero no me enfoque a investigar el apellido Guzman, si estas interesado buscar en los microfilms o los de Nuestros ranchos en Mezquital del Oro 1766-1809 encontraras personas con el apellido Guzman ubicadas principalmente en La Hacienda de la Estanzuela, por alguna razon la zona conformada por La Hacienda de La estanzuela, Rancho La Tetilla y La Ceja entre otras pasaron a los registros del Teul. El problema es que estos registros no estan completos y tendrias que pedir los microfilms para revisarlos.
Saludos y suerte.
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Jose Luis, buscando dispensas de mi familia encontre una Dispensa Matrimonial que retrocede hasta alrededor de 1740 hasta Hermenejildo Guzman padre de Vicente Guzman y Rafael Guzman que nacieron por Mezquital del Oro y se fueron a radicar a La Estanzula y en un tiempo vivieron en el Rancho El Escalon, San Cristobal de la Barranca y dice
Tronco Hermenegildo Guzman
Rafael Guzman---------Vicente Guzman
Laureano Guzman-------Carmen Guzman (hombre)
Maria Reyes Guzman----Juan Guzman
Juan Valle(novio)-----Jesus Guzman(novia)
Juan Valle era hijo de Eusebio Valle Guzman y nieto de Andrea Guzman.
De esos Guzman desciende el exprocurador de Jalisco asesinado Lic Leobardo Larios Guzman.
Hola Juan Como estas?:Disculpa pero hasta hoy vi tu mensaje,ya casi no participo por razon de que mi esposa se encuentra enferma y no tengo mucho tiempo disponible,yo desciendo por parte de mi Abuela Materna,Teresa Guzman,hija de Juan Guzman,Juan Hijo de Teodoro Guzman,Teodoro hijo de Bernardo Guzman todos orijinarios de La Estanzuela,Zac.me gustaria ver esa dispensa podrian ser mis ancestros.Saludos.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:27:42 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guzman de La Estanzuela
>
> Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
>
> Jose Luis, buscando dispensas de mi familia encontre una Dispensa Matrimonial que retrocede hasta alrededor de 1740 hasta Hermenejildo Guzman padre de Vicente Guzman y Rafael Guzman que nacieron por Mezquital del Oro y se fueron a radicar a La Estanzula y en un tiempo vivieron en el Rancho El Escalon, San Cristobal de la Barranca y dice
>
> Tronco Hermenegildo Guzman
> Rafael Guzman---------Vicente Guzman
> Laureano Guzman-------Carmen Guzman (hombre)
> Maria Reyes Guzman----Juan Guzman
> Juan Valle(novio)-----Jesus Guzman(novia)
>
> Juan Valle era hijo de Eusebio Valle Guzman y nieto de Andrea Guzman.
> De esos Guzman desciende el exprocurador de Jalisco asesinado Lic Leobardo Larios Guzman.
>
>
>
>
Hola Maria Cortez y a todos:
ESTE FIN DE SEMANA PASADO ME CONTACTE CON UN FAMILIAR LEJANO HASTA GUADALAJARA JALISCO .Y ME HIZO UNA CORRECCION
CON EL APELLIDO PATERNO DE "ESTEFANA" HERA "RODRIGUEZ" Y NO MARIN COMO YO TENIA ENTENDIDO.ASI LA SITUACION CAMBIA PUES LA INFORMACION AHORA SERA ,MATRIMONIO DE "JUAN GUZMAN CON ESTEFANA RODRIGUEZ"QUE HERAN MIS BISABUELOS MATERNOS.
GRACIAS A TODOS POR SU TOLERANCIA.
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I have a grandfather - Andres "Chito" Romo that was from Teocaltiche, Jalisco and that he was born in Rio Chico. Does anyone know if this
is or was a rancho or a colonia???
Rio Chico was both an hacienda and rancho in Teocaltiche...
See Cubas' Diccionario biografico...
Hi Rolando,
I believe Rio Chico was a rancho near Teocaltiche. I have a few lines in my
tree that are from Rio Chico, Teocaltiche, specifically the Acosta Ornelas
and Gonzalez Chavez families.
A good resource about Teocaltiche is Nicolas de Anda Sanchez book "Historia
de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de Los Altos
de Jalisco".
I saw a post online that mentions that this book lists Rio Chico as a
rancho. I'd like to confirm this as I looked for the location Rio Chico
myself.
Juan
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Rolando Romo wrote:
> I have a grandfather - Andres "Chito" Romo that was from Teocaltiche,
> Jalisco and that he was born in Rio Chico. Does anyone know if this
>
> is or was a rancho or a colonia???
Thank you Juan. I am glad that I asked. I am going to search for the book on Teocaltiche and see if I can locate one. I have drawn a wall on my search for Romos there and perhaps the book will assist me. There are supposed to be Romos all over this region.
If I find anything on Rio Chico, I will report back. Gracias! Rolando
________________________________
From: Juan Aguayo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Rolando Romo
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rio Chico - Jalisco
Hi Rolando,
I believe Rio Chico was a rancho near Teocaltiche. I have a few lines in my tree that are from Rio Chico, Teocaltiche, specifically the Acosta Ornelas and Gonzalez Chavez families.
A good resource about Teocaltiche is Nicolas de Anda Sanchez book "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco".
I saw a post online that mentions that this book lists Rio Chico as a rancho. I'd like to confirm this as I looked for the location Rio Chico myself.
Juan
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Rolando Romo wrote:
I have a grandfather - Andres "Chito" Romo that was from Teocaltiche, Jalisco and that he was born in Rio Chico. Does anyone know if this
>
>is or was a rancho or a colonia???
You can get the book at from this link
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/ourbooks.asp?catid=4&sortid=ItemAuthorL…
What are the names and dates for the family you are stuck on?
Armando
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Rolando Romo wrote:
> Thank you Juan. I am glad that I asked. I am going to search for the book
> on Teocaltiche and see if I can locate one. I have drawn a wall on my
> search for Romos there and perhaps the book will assist me. There are
> supposed to be Romos all over this region.
>
> If I find anything on Rio Chico, I will report back. Gracias! Rolando
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Juan Aguayo
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Rolando Romo
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rio Chico - Jalisco
>
>
> Hi Rolando,
>
> I believe Rio Chico was a rancho near Teocaltiche. I have a few lines in
> my tree that are from Rio Chico, Teocaltiche, specifically the Acosta
> Ornelas and Gonzalez Chavez families.
>
> A good resource about Teocaltiche is Nicolas de Anda Sanchez book
> "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de
> Los Altos de Jalisco".
>
> I saw a post online that mentions that this book lists Rio Chico as a
> rancho. I'd like to confirm this as I looked for the location Rio Chico
> myself.
> Juan
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Rolando Romo wrote:
>
> I have a grandfather - Andres "Chito" Romo that was from Teocaltiche,
> Jalisco and that he was born in Rio Chico. Does anyone know if this
> >
> >is or was a rancho or a colonia???
HOLA A TODOS LOS COMPANEROS DEL FORO,,, E ESTADO ESTUDIANDO ESTAS RAMAS DE APEHIDOS QUE NO ESTAN MUY VISTAS PERO AL PARECER SON RAMAS QUE ESTAN ARRAIGADAS DESDE PRINCIPIOS DE 1600 POR LO QUE HE REVIZA
Hola primo, yo no desciendo de ninguna de las ramas que mencionas, pero por ser de interés para la genealogía de los alteños hace algún tiempo revisando una dispensa matrimonial, también encontré que un hermano de Catalina de los Ángeles es un hombre llamado Juan Alvarado, el cual tuvo por hija a Magdalena Alvarado mujer de Rafael Ornelas. Espero te sirva de algo esta información.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Mil gracias primo,,no recuerdas donde viste esta dispensa??
Revizando esto q me dices primo y vi el matrimonio de
Esta los Alvarado son hijos de Gaspar diaz y maria de los ángeles ,,,estos son de la línea de los Sánchez de Lara,,con mas participación como la tuya descifrare estos apehidos
La dispensa a la que hago mención es la de Rafael Mendoza (Ornelas y Mendoza) con Catalina López (López de Elizalde) en 1681. Son dos parentescos a los que se hace mención a esta dispensa. Es muy interesante porque también se menciona a otro hijo de Álvaro de Ornelas e Isabel de Mendoza, el cual yo no había visto en otros documentos o menciones.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Don PPChuy
Te informo que los Apellidos Avalos, Quezada y Ornelas que mencionas SI están incluídos en la obra "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia", aunque son muy breves los aprtados de los mismos.
Saludos cordiales
Lo que das fructifica. Lo que te guardas se pudre.
Miguel Beltran
Mil gracias don Miguel,,, es q el libro q tengo retoños de la nuevas España en la nueva Galicia tomo II ,, no los incluye ,, lis libros que tu mencionas son los nuevos ???
Así es PPChuy, es la edicion puesta a la venta el año pasado que consta de 10 volumenes, misma que me hizo el favor de conseguirme y enviarme el profe Raul Hurtado, miembro de este grupo ,radicado en la zona de Guadalajara y quien ha ofrecido en varias ocaciones hacer el mismo servicio a quien lo requiera.
Saludos.
Lo que das fructifica. Lo que te guardas se pudre.
Miguel Beltran
I've been visiting ex-haciendas in Zac, their is one that is borderline Zac/Jal it's name is "el terrero" it once belonged to el genereral Anacleto Lopez, who also lived in hacienda de "Viboras".
Hi Leticia,
I have Lopez from a rancho called Atotonilco that is close to Hujucar. Which
is not that far from a rancho called Vivoras that is close to Tepetongo,
Zacatecas. From Vivoras I have Varela
What are the names of Anacleto Lopez' parents and grandparents?
Joseph
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of lettyinmay@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:20 PM
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haciendas de Zacatecas/Jalisco
>
> I've been visiting ex-haciendas in Zac, their is one that is borderline
> Zac/Jal it's name is "el terrero" it once belonged to el genereral
> Anacleto Lopez, who also lived in hacienda de "Viboras". I been trying
> to find documentation or any type of history on this hacinda "el Terrero"
> does anyone know where I could find information? Would really appreciate
> it.
> Thank you very much.
> Leticia Salazar
>
>
I have been trying to learn more about Hacienda del Fuerte which is supposed to be in ruins near El Fuerte or Rio Grande, Zacatecas, Mexico where my paternal family lived. I have tried googling using various different key words but not found much about it beyond a suggestion that it might also be undergoing preservation renovations. Has anybody heard of it or know where I might learn more about Hacienda del Fuerte? My paternal gg grandparents were married there in the hacienda chapel in 1874.
Thanks,
Juli D. Quinteros de Hernandez
Dallas, Texas
Antonio
Hacienda De Las Viboras is located in Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico. I saw the archives of Xerez for the 1600's years.
El Terrero? In the Huejuquilla area where we are from, don't recall any ranchos or haciendas there. But there is a terrain that is referred to "El Terrero" Been there several times. Just some Adobe homes in a terrain about 20 minutes away from Huejuquilla.
This is for the group,
My name is Welester G. Alvarado Carrillo and as of lately I have not been participating in the debates and such . I currently live in Monterrey, Mexico and next week I will be visiting Tonala , Jalisco . My question here is , anyone live close by to Tonala or does anyone have any advice .
Thanks ,
Welester
Antonio
I have been to Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico. It is mostly "Artesanias" or stores and booths of all kinds of arts.
Antonio, is there a direct email where I could send you a picture of the hacienda Im researching, it might not be an hacienda but an estancia or rancho de agua, I need to find any history available on it.
Thank you very much for your reply.
Leticia Salazar
Lety, While I did not find information regarding Hacienda el Terrero, I did find this article regarding the Hacienda Troncoso and other Haciendas and it also mentions Hacienda de las Viboras. Here's the link, I hope you can read Spanish because it's actually quite interesting. It speaks of the reconstruction of several Haciendas, the first one to be re-constructed to become a museum will be "El Terrero"
http://www.informador.com.mx/cultura/2010/230579/6/ex-haciendas-en-zaca…
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: "lettyinmay@aol.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haciendas de Zacatecas/Jalisco
I've been visiting ex-haciendas in Zac, their is one that is borderline Zac/Jal it's name is "el terrero" it once belonged to el genereral Anacleto Lopez, who also lived in hacienda de "Viboras". I been trying to find documentation or any type of history on this hacinda "el Terrero" does anyone know where I could find information? Would really appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
Leticia Salazar
Gracias por darme la oportunidad de ser parte de su grupo. Aqui le mando la informcion que me pide. holli32@yahoo.com Password june1932
Amelia
Hello
I am having trouble finding the marriage records for Senor San Jose en Ojuelos online in FamilySearch - does anyone know if they are even there?
Denise Fastrup
Wow!You've been busy doing my homework! Thanks! I did find 7 potential siblings at Family Search, but did not find an indexed record for Juana herself.
For anyone out there who might need a lead, these are:
Rafael b. 31 Oct 1830 Senor San Jose
Maria Estafania b. 03 Jan 1833 Senor San Jose
Jose Ynes b. 02 March 1834 Senor San Jose
Jose Viviano b. 06 Dec. 1835 Cienega de Mata
Maria Margarita b. 15 Jun 183 Cienega de Mata
Cenovia 22 Jan 1843 Senor San Jose
Maria Genoveba 12 Jan 1845 Senor San Jose
And you've provided Juanas grandparents - that is a big help. I am sure there are others researching Salas, Martinez, Hernandez, Velos and Delgadillo who will also find the information useful. Thanks for correcting the age of the groom and for deciphering the origins of Juana.
As soon as I have time, I will look up the images on the other marriages, and see what other information is there, sometimes the priest notes indio or other category, and sometimes its interesting to see who the padrinos were.
Regards
Denise
Denise Fastrup
Found it!
Doroteo Salas, age 21, native of Ojuelos, is the legitimate son of Sotero Salas (deceased) and Juana Aguilar (living).
Juana Martinez, age 16, (not originally from Ojuelos,village name is illegible) is the legitimate daughter of Rafael Martinez and Antonia Hernandez ,both living.
Married 25 Sept. 1865.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-2184-13?cc=1874591&wc=…
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Ojuelos
San José
Matrimonios 1839-1867
Image 437 of 503
Again,Thank you VERY MUCH Armando!
Denise Fastrup
Your welcome Denise. That document says Juana Martínez is originaria de la
Quebrada jurisdiccion de Lagos y vecina de Ojuelos desde su infancia.
La Quebrada would have been a ranch I am not familiar with. Lagos is the
city of Lagos de Moreno which is close to Ojuelos.
This looks to be a baptism of a sister of Juana Martinez
Name: Maria Margarita Martinez Hernandes
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Jun 1837
Baptism/Christening Place: CIENEGA DE MATA, OJUELOS, JALISCO, MEXICO
Birthplace: Sexa
Father's Name: Rafael Martinez
Mother's Name: Maria Antonia Hernandes
Paternal Grandfather's Name: Simon Martinez
Paternal Grandmother's Name: Rosalia Delgadillo
Maternal Grandfather's Name: Sebastian Hernandez
Maternal Grandmother's name: Antonia Velos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60704-6
Source Film Number: 640157
Reference Number: 2:PGC5MR
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6QY-FFH
Cienega de Mata is part of the municipio of Lagos de Moreno.
Here is the marriage info of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia
Groom's Name: Rafael Martinez
Groom's Birth Date: 1801
Groom's Age: 20
Bride's Name: Maria Antonia Velos
Bride's Birth Date: 1804
Bride's Age: 17
Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1821
Marriage Place: Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Simon Martinez
Groom's Mother's Name: Rosalia Delgadillo
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Antonia Velos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60232-7
Source Film Number: 641017
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCZK-WB8
Rafael Martinez appears as Jose Rafael Martin Delgadillo in his baptism
Name: Jose Rafael Martin Delgadillo
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Jan 1800
Baptism/Christening Place: Ciénega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Jose Simon Martin
Mother's Name: Maria Rosalia Delgadillo
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60704-2
System Origin: Mexico-EASy
Source Film Number: 640153
Reference Number: 2:1XWCL0C
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6QG-252
Saludos
Armando
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:11 PM, wrote:
> Denise Fastrup
>
> Found it!
>
> Doroteo Salas, age 21, native of Ojuelos, is the legitimate son of Sotero
> Salas (deceased) and Juana Aguilar (living).
> Juana Martinez, age 16, (not originally from Ojuelos,village name is
> illegible) is the legitimate daughter of Rafael Martinez and Antonia
> Hernandez ,both living.
>
> Married 25 Sept. 1865.
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-2184-13?cc=**
> 1874591&wc=12507737
> Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995 Ojuelos
> San José
> Matrimonios 1839-1867
> Image 437 of 503
>
> Again,Thank you VERY MUCH Armando!
>
> Denise Fastrup
Denise Fastrup
Thank you very much Armando!
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995 Ojuelos San
José
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
Good luck
Armando
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:32 AM, wrote:
> Hello
> I am having trouble finding the marriage records for Senor San Jose en
> Ojuelos online in FamilySearch - does anyone know if they are even there?
>
> There are records for Immaculada Concepcion, but that's a different
> Parroquia, and when I checked anyway for the marriage of Doroteo Salas and
> Juana Martinez, it was not there.
>
> I am trying to find out if the parents of Doroteo Salas were Narciso Salas
> and Estafana Lopez. I found a record of baptism for a Jesus Doroteo Salas
> Lopez, 1833, Aguascalientes, with these names in Family Search Index.
> Doroteo Salas who married Juana Martinez named one of his daughters
> Estafania.He lived in Ojuelos but in 1909 moved to San Antonio Texas with
> his wife, sons and granchildren. I dont know if he is in fact Jesus Doroteo
> Salas Lopez, that is what I am trying to find out. in the 1910 census he
> gave his age as 74, which would give a birth year of 1836.
>
> Hope someone can enlighten me!
>
>
> Regards/Muchas gracias
> Denise Fastrup
>
>
Hola primos, hace unos dias lei en una liga de Facebook parte de la
revista "Nuestras Raices" que originalmente publica el gobierno
municipal de Lagos de Moreno en su numero de agosto 2011, es un
Disculpas, en mi comunicación de ha unos minutos, me referí a Angela como
esposa de Francisco de Figueroa, y quise decir Ana Temiño de Velasco.
Gracias.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Mario
Enviado el: Sábado, 12 de Mayo de 2012 07:22 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Segundo esposo de Ana Temiño Velasco
Hola primos, hace unos dias lei en una liga de Facebook parte de la
revista "Nuestras Raices" que originalmente publica el gobierno
municipal de Lagos de Moreno en su numero de agosto 2011, es un articulo
donde describe el proceso inquicitorial contra el padre Pedro Nuñez,
sacerdote que fue de Santa Maria de los lagos, este documento no solo
describe el proceso del padre Muños so no que tambien aporta datos
importantes para los aficionados a la genealogia, un dato que me
inquieto fue el segundo esposo de Ana Temiño de Velasco, en el documento
citan a Mariano Gonzalez Leal quien indico que Ana Temiño de Velasco
despues de enviudar de Pedro Pacho se desposo con Vicente de Zaldivar
Mendoza.
En mi árbol genealogico tengo como segundo esposo a Francisco de
Figueroa Carbajal. En base a la informacion que ustedes poseen, quien
podria ser el segundo esposo, ¿Francisco de Figueroa o Vicente de
Zaldivar?, ¿existe alguna fuente primaria que respalde quien fue el
verdadero esposo?.
Adjunto el URL de la fuente:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=279320868759174&set=a.2793204887…
.72212.188246121199983&type=1&permPage=1
Saludos y gracias por la ayuda que siempre me han prestado.
ATTE
Mario Gonzalez Gomez
Mexico DF
Ok, entonces no borrarre esta rama de mi arbol, Gracias Sr Guillermo.
El 13/05/2012 08:14 p.m., Guillermo Tovar de Teresa escribió:
> Disculpas, en mi comunicación de ha unos minutos, me referí a Angela como
> esposa de Francisco de Figueroa, y quise decir Ana Temiño de Velasco.
> Gracias.
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Mario
> Enviado el: Sábado, 12 de Mayo de 2012 07:22 p.m.
> Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Segundo esposo de Ana Temiño Velasco
>
> Hola primos, hace unos dias lei en una liga de Facebook parte de la
> revista "Nuestras Raices" que originalmente publica el gobierno
> municipal de Lagos de Moreno en su numero de agosto 2011, es un articulo
> donde describe el proceso inquicitorial contra el padre Pedro Nuñez,
> sacerdote que fue de Santa Maria de los lagos, este documento no solo
> describe el proceso del padre Muños so no que tambien aporta datos
> importantes para los aficionados a la genealogia, un dato que me
> inquieto fue el segundo esposo de Ana Temiño de Velasco, en el documento
> citan a Mariano Gonzalez Leal quien indico que Ana Temiño de Velasco
> despues de enviudar de Pedro Pacho se desposo con Vicente de Zaldivar
> Mendoza.
> En mi árbol genealogico tengo como segundo esposo a Francisco de
> Figueroa Carbajal. En base a la informacion que ustedes poseen, quien
> podria ser el segundo esposo, ¿Francisco de Figueroa o Vicente de
> Zaldivar?, ¿existe alguna fuente primaria que respalde quien fue el
> verdadero esposo?.
>
> Adjunto el URL de la fuente:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=279320868759174&set=a.2793204887…
> .72212.188246121199983&type=1&permPage=1
>
> Saludos y gracias por la ayuda que siempre me han prestado.
>
> ATTE
> Mario Gonzalez Gomez
> Mexico DF
>
>
>
Hola Mario,
Fue Francisco de Figueroa. El notable investigador y genealogista Francisco
Javier de Castaños descubrió el documento que lo prueba de manera
contundente y me proporcionó el dato de la fuente y obtuve una copia. Por
otra parte, el documento de la Bancroft, que trata de las tres Pacho Temiño
de Bañuelos, hijas del conquistador Pedro Pacho y Angela Temiño de Bañuelos,
aparecen como hijas y no hijastras de Francisco de Figueroa. Pero eso
confirma el vinculo de éste con la hermana de uno de los fundadores de
Zacatecas.
Saludos
Guillermo Tovar de Teresa
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Mario
Enviado el: Sábado, 12 de Mayo de 2012 07:22 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Segundo esposo de Ana Temiño Velasco
Hola primos, hace unos dias lei en una liga de Facebook parte de la
revista "Nuestras Raices" que originalmente publica el gobierno
municipal de Lagos de Moreno en su numero de agosto 2011, es un articulo
donde describe el proceso inquicitorial contra el padre Pedro Nuñez,
sacerdote que fue de Santa Maria de los lagos, este documento no solo
describe el proceso del padre Muños so no que tambien aporta datos
importantes para los aficionados a la genealogia, un dato que me
inquieto fue el segundo esposo de Ana Temiño de Velasco, en el documento
citan a Mariano Gonzalez Leal quien indico que Ana Temiño de Velasco
despues de enviudar de Pedro Pacho se desposo con Vicente de Zaldivar
Mendoza.
En mi árbol genealogico tengo como segundo esposo a Francisco de
Figueroa Carbajal. En base a la informacion que ustedes poseen, quien
podria ser el segundo esposo, ¿Francisco de Figueroa o Vicente de
Zaldivar?, ¿existe alguna fuente primaria que respalde quien fue el
verdadero esposo?.
Adjunto el URL de la fuente:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=279320868759174&set=a.2793204887…
.72212.188246121199983&type=1&permPage=1
Saludos y gracias por la ayuda que siempre me han prestado.
ATTE
Mario Gonzalez Gomez
Mexico DF
Inicia Cristiada. Las balas sagradas de la historia, foro para la discusión y reflexión
Redacción, 11/may/2012
Apreciados amigos de Nuestros Ranchos: mi nombre es Ruben Apolinar Araiza Porras y estoy investigando el origen de el apellido Araiza.
Hi fellow members,
Luis Arturo Huerta Rodrìguez
Hi!
With the shame, I travel to nochistlán about 10 times by year, and don't know if there is a good library. There is the "biblioteca municipal" at "la presidencia", but the books are for consulting, not for sale. And I remember have seen a magazine store in "el mercado", that was 2 or 3 years ago.
The only one book I have read about Nochistlán's history is "Nochistlán de Zacatecas" of Clotilde Evelia Quirarte an exemplar mochistlense woman and a very good book.
I get this book at "el parian" in a wedding shop almost at the corner southwest of this place.
I am half nochistlense, but I am misinformed. I hope you can find better help.
Don't forget to taste a good "plato de birria" some "gorditas con papas, sopes, pozole" and an icecream sitting at "el jardín". There are "carnitas" and "pollos asados" but don't know how nochistlenses are they.
P.D. Almost forgot "las micheladas"
P.D.2 I think the church you said is "el templo de San José"
Hi!
I went yesterday to Nocistlán and saw a library.
The address is "Vicente Guerrero # 14", is at the street behind "la presidencia municipal"
Luis Arturo Huerta Rodrìguez
Abram,
There is a wonderful bookstore in Nochistlan but unfortunately I can't remember the name but all she has to do is ask anyone in town and they will direct her to the book store. They don't have lending libraries but they do have a bookstore.
Alicia
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From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Nochistlan
Hi fellow members,
My mom is going on a trip to her hometown Nochistlan.And i was wondering if anyone knows the type of books there are in the library behind some church i completely forgot the name of the church.Or is there any other library in Nochistlan where I can get books like on the history or ancient families of Nochistlan?I would appreciate it alot if some one replied.
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