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Amigos,

No se si esta Nicolasa sea la misma que estan investigando, pero encontre la acta de matrimonio de ella con el Capitan Diego de Padilla (viudo de Leonor de Hermosillo). Este Diego tambien es conocido como Diego de la Mota y Padilla, hijo de Diego de la Mota en tuerto. Leonor de Hermosillo, es posiblemente la hija del Br. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo hijo de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio y de Leonor de Hermosillo. Tambien es posible que ella sea hermana del bachiller Lazaro. Lazaro, su mama Leonor y la segunda Leonor salen viviendo juntos en la misma estancia en el Padron de Jalos de 1650.

Saludos

Sergio Gutierrez

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Estimado José Humberto:

Leí tu mensaje con bastante interés; si podías enviarme el documento (información matrimonial) o decirme donde puedo encontrarlo le agradecería bastantemente.

Esta familia he reunido bastante datos genealógicos poco a poco se comprueba. Esta familia especialmente es una rompecabezas. A pesar que no tengo nada que comprueba la identidad de María de Valdés Ayllón que mencionas pienso que los datos que he reunido puede ayudarnos.

No hay duda que este sea Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla hijo del capitán Francisco de Reynoso y Mariana de Padilla y Dávila. Mientras sus hermanos utilizaron Reynoso y cuando casaron formaron Reynoso-Rentería; este caballero conservo Reynoso-Padilla para sus descendientes. Fue bautizado el 12 de febrero de 1638 en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara.

Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla casó a María de Valdés ca. 1670 probable en Guadalajara o Cuquío. Establecieron su familia principalmente en Cuquío. Donde por lo menos bautizaron 3 hijos y por lo menos una casó en Ayo el Chico.

Efectivamente la Maria de Valdés y Ayllón que mencionas es María Arias de Valdés aunque si utilzó un apellido poco modificado Avella de Valdés. Lo consta en los bautismos de sus hijos: Joseph 8 de julio de 1686 el cual casó a Nicolasa María Moreno de Ortega, Juan 15 de julio de 1680 y Josefa 25 de abril de 1682 todos Reynoso-Padilla mientras sus primos eran los Reynoso-Rentería.

Ahora no tengo dato que comprueba definitivamente los padres de esta Marias Arias de Valdés o Avella de Valdés aunque sin duda conozco la familia. Si tengo idea quienes podían ser.Mis razones son los siguientes utilzó Valdés Ayllón varios hijos de Juan Arias de Avella y Valdés; y Ángela de Ayllón y Monroy también eran conocidos así. Ángela de Ayllón y Monroy era más bien conocida como Ángela de Rentería como parecía en el bautismo de su hija Luisa fechado 25 de julio de 1652 en Purísima Concepción de Etzatlán, Jalisco.

Nos sirven otros dos datos, la madre de Ángela de Ayllón y Monroy era Luisa de Renteria. A la vez la mujer de Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla tuve una Ángela es casualidad que hija, madre y abuela repitan los nombres y pasan sus apellidos maternalmente. No creo.

Aun no he encontrado una María como hija de Juan Arias de Valdés y Ángela de Rentería. Sólo tengo dos hijas Josefa de Holguin quien casó Antonio Quintero natural de la Ciudad de México el 23 de enero de 1667 en San Felipe de Cuquío. La segunda era Luisa que ya mencioné. No dudo que tuvieron otros hijos.

Ojalá esto aclara algunas cosas,
Daniel Méndez Camino

Sobrero o Sobrero de la Siembra se refiere a los campesinos pobres que tomaban los granos caidos y mazorcas de mala calidad dejadas por otros agricultores, es una costumbre ancestral, dejar un poco de la cosecha para los animales o los pobres que irán en busca de un poco de granos para sobrevivir, aun hoy las mazorcas de maíz pequeñas son dejadas en la milpa para los pobres o para rastrojo de los animales. En la época colonial se debia dejar un poco más, casi siempre las esquinas de las parcelas no recuerdo el porcentaje del total pero creo que es una ley del Antiguo Testamento, una costubre judía retomada por los campesinos y siervos en Europa desde la baja Edad Media.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: omar.ruelas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:40:11 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significado de Sobrero
>
> Buenas noches, me pregunto si alguien sabe el significado de la palabra sobrero, al parecer es una ocupación o profesión, la he encontrado en un par de registros parroquiales de los año 1700's.

Can someone point out where on FamilySearch are the Michoacan Records? I only see some under Guanajuato but those are old.

Daniel Méndez Camino

yupi!!!!

El 20/05/2011 14:09, gpf13@aol.com escribió:
> Family Search has just posted records from Michoacan.

> George Fulton

George

I am very happy to hear Michoacan images were added. Could you tell me which
towns from Michoacan were included with Guanajuato. Thanks

Rafael Meraz

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Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 9:39:38 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla: New
images posted at Family Search

New records for the states of Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla were
posted at Family Search today.

Coverage varies for these states (not all towns are included), and not all
records for each posted town are included.

Michoacan is included with Guanajuato.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

Salvador,

Thank you for your very well written explanation of how modern Mexico evolved, especially since I don't think English is your first language. Your efforts are much appreciated.

Americans like me whose father came to the US in 1913 at the age of 10 really have a poor understanding of Mexico.

I am going to edit what you wrote to include the exact dates that the various Mexican presidents served (that will force me to learn more Mexican history) and pass it around to others who need a clear and concise telling of the story of Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:07:00 -0500
> From: squirartetcn@gmail.com
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] THE TRUE OUTCOME OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION - FULL VERSION
>
> SORRY TO ALL OUR FRIENDS OF NUESTROS RANCHOS. I JUST DISCOVER THAT MY
> PREVIOUS MESSAGE BY SOME TECHNICAL REASON WAS CUTED AFTER THE FIRST
> PARAGRAPH, SO HERE IT GOES AGAIN THE FULL TEXT:
>
>
>
> 1. The true outcome of the Mexican Revolution (Salvador Quirarte)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Mexican revolution started is 1910 as the first social movement in the
> world of the 20th. century, even before the Russian revolution happened.
> The original factors triggering the social explosion of this country was a
> reaction to a social and political model established by the Spaniards 400
> years before.
>
>
>
> Let us remember Mexico was not a single country when the Spanish conquers
> arrived. The most advanced group at that time was the Aztec kingdom, but
> there were many other different groups and tribes across our lands.
>
> The centralized monarchic model of the Spanish government was imported and
> imposed for 300 years by their soldiers to all those tribes, after they have
> been defeated or invaded. The Virreinato of the New Spain was divided
> in several regional divisions. One of them was Nueva Galicia.
>
> Central Mexico was the richest and more civilized geographical area, so the
> conquerors settled in the former Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan (Mexico City)
> and expanded their control in all directions to reach all kind of human and
> material resources, such as slaves, gold, silver, good land for agriculture,
> etc.
>
> The borders were defined all the way down to the limits with South America,
> where the other large Spanish Virreinato was established based on the former
> Inca´s territory. To the North the borders were defined by the capacity of
> the Spanish army to maintain secure Spanish colonial populations under the
> attacks of the Indian tribes of North America, that were not so culturally
> advanced as the tribes in the south.
>
> Without formal roads and the only way to travel was using mules and horses,
> which may take weeks and months. Maintain control and governance over remote
> regions was a really hard task. Imagine what means to keep control and rule
> over Arizona or California from Mexico City or Madrid.
>
> In the 17th. century the new generations of Spanish descendants already born
> in America started to claim their rights to the lands, people and richness
> of the Nueva España, that continue to be exported to the Kingdom in Spain.
> Most of the economic, social and political decision powers still remained
> back there..
>
> It took 300 years to allow that movement to really evolve and empower the
> people in America to succeed fighting the war of Independence.
>
> At that point , after the Independence war ended, the government model was
> still centralized, that is the same than before. Dozens of internal fights
> and local wars between different groups, leaders and former local
> tribes happened until Porfirio Diaz took control as President and
> established two important values:
>
> - Unification - Either peaceful or enforced with weapons and blood
>
> - Progress - Implementing wide modernization and investment works,
> funded by a financial system based in the fortune of a very small number of
> rich families, fully aligned with the President Diaz.
>
> Porfirio Diaz remained in power for 30 years consolidating many good and bad
> things:
>
> For the first time Mexico was a true country.
>
> There were peace and progress and Mexico moved in to start having industries,
> communications as railroads, telegraph &, postal services, education and
> universities, roads, corporate businesses, cultural development, art, music
> and an identity as one single nation.
>
> On the other side, the price paid by the Mexican people after all those 30
> years was very high. No freedom, no democracy, high corruption and no social
> evolution and justice.
>
> Those were the critical drivers that triggered the explosion happened in
> 1910.
>
> A small thinking and educated middle class and the outstanding leaders of
> the oppressed and poor people in the lands initiated diverse movements in
> different cities and regions, some more civilized as Madero and Carranza and
> others with guns and blood as Zapata and Villa, fight hard and offered their
> own lives with hundreds of thousands of their followers to change things
> around.
>
> After many tries to settle a consolidated government, a new generation took
> over and Avila Camacho became president.
>
> He and the three presidents that followed him were the key builders of the
> Mexican nation in the 20th. century.
>
> Avila Camacho established a democratic system based in the participation of
> all citizens. How he do it?
>
> He invented the PRI, a unique political party that host all political and
> social groups and ideologies, assuring their loyalty to the system by
> allowing them, and only them to participate and share the benefits of manage
> the politics and the public budgets. He was a general, leading the new armed
> forces that won over all other groups during the revolution.
>
> Avila Camacho was followed by Lazaro Cardenas, who was also a general of the
> army.
>
> He was a socialist, influenced in some way by the innovating ideas of the
> ideologists that created the communist movements in Europe. Cardenas
> continued and improved the political and social developing and management
> system of the government based in one single party (PRI).
>
> But perhaps the three top contributions he had were the following:
>
> 1 – He anticipated the importance of the petroleum industry as a great
> generator of cash revenue and nationalized the oil industry just when the
> WWII was generating great demand and many producers were affected by the
> war. So the national oil company started generating a new income to the
> Mexican government which by that time did not have a relevant fiscal
> capability.
>
> 2 – He prepared the future by assigning a civil (not military) candidate to
> follow him after his six years period. This change kept out definitively the
> military out of the politics and the power.
>
> 3 – And may be his most important contribution, was to promote, fund and
> sponsor the creation of a new Mexican identity. Musicians as Silvestre
> Revueltas, painters as Diego Rivera and David A. Siqueiros, writers as
> Salvador Novo, among many others artists and i8ntelectuals contributed to
> build a Mexican image, full of roundness and traditions, with a mix of
> pre-Hispanic and Hispanic values.
>
> Miguel Aleman became president and leverage in all the successful strategies
> of Cardenas, eliminating those that he does not need any more.
>
> Aleman with the new and relevant income of the oil and the global economic
> growth opportunity after the WW, implemented a country wide impressive
> growth model.
>
> He erased the socialist flavor form the PRI, making attractive the country
> for local and foreign investment. As a civilian president he generated
> confidence and trust abroad. He built massive public works like highways,
> dams, ports, housing, airports, social security. etc. The loyalty model of
> the PRI based in sharing of power and budget evolved to become a very
> sophisticated model of corruption where almost all participants in the
> productive chain of the government budget receive a piece of the benefits.
>
> The result in the short term was peace, progress and jobs.
>
> It is important to mention that as a following trend of the Mexican identity
> strategy started by Avila Camacho and Cardenas, Miguel Aleman supported the
> development of an outstanding first class film industry. The gold stage of
> the Mexican movies with great Mexican actors like Cantinflas, Pedro Infante
> and Jorge Negrete, actresses such as Maria Felix, Dolores del Rio and Sara
> Garcia and music flourished at that time, displacing Hollywood in almost all
> Spanish speaking markets in the world.
>
> When corruption started to spread to all levels, President Aleman was wise
> enough to choose a very honest and tough successor.
>
> Ruiz Cortines came in, and realign the rules of corruption placing strict
> controls in the government top officials performance.
> After Ruiz Cortines, the magic and beauty of the PRI system started to
> degenerate. Twenty four years later the PRI lost the presidential
> elections.
>
> I am convinced all of the above was the outcome of the Mexican Revolution
> Salvador Quirarte

Yo te puedo ayudar en tu linea de Ramírez, que es el apellido que me interesa.

1.- Bárbara Ramírez Enríquez.
2.- José Alejo Ramírez González y María del Rosario Enríquez Álvarez.
3.- José Manuel Silvestre Ramírez de Hermosillo y María Ignacia de San Exiquio González de Hermosillo.
4.- Sebastián Ramírez de Hermosillo y Francisca del Sacramento Gutiérrez de Laris.
5.- Nicolás Ramírez de Hermosillo y Rosa Margarita de Aceves.
6.- Diego Alonso Ramírez de Hermosillo y Ana María Felipa Fernández de Rueda. (Aquí compartimos ancestros).
7.- Nicolás Ramírez de Hermosillo y Francisca Muñoz de la Barba.
8.- Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Paula de Torres.
9.- Juan González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.

Ésta última pareja es tronco común de varias familias alteñas como los González de Hermosillo, Ramírez de Hermosillo, García de Hermosillo, Muñoz de Hermosillo, de Hermosillo, etc.

Espero ye haya podido ayudar en algo con estos datos, cualquier cosa seguimos en contacto.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:31:46 -0700
> From: pablopadi2005@yahoo.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] lista
>
> ok estoy tratando de formar mi genealogia"Padilla", mi nombre es Pablo Padilla Munoz, naci en Aguascalientes, Ags en 1953,mi padre Pablo Padilla Correa(1908) en San miguel el Alto , Jalisco; mi madre Dolores Munoz Gutierres (1912), en Las Pilas, Zacatecas; mis abuelos Adolfo Padilla Ramirez(aprox 1863) en san miguel el alto, Manuela Correa Flores( (1871-1932murio en leon); mibisabuelo Manuel PadillaGonsalez (no se si en san miguel aproximadamente en 1820, mi abuela Barbara Ramirez Enrriques aprox. en 1823,mi abuelo tuvo como 16 hijos: como Ludgerio, Sofia, Herlinda, Manuel, Marta, Rosaura Aurora, Trinidad,algunos vivian en Leon guanajuato en el censo de 1930 en la calle b. Dominguez#37, cualquier informacion que pueda anadir se agradecera.

Rafael Jauregui si alguien tiene un libro que trate de genealogia de nochistlan i lo quiera vender abisenme por favor jaureraf@yahoo.com grasias

Does anybody know if this book is still available anywhere?

Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."

Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias.

Gloria,
Thank you for checking for Corbera...
Since I joined NuestrosRanchos, I've been "plowing," through papers, some dating back to 1996 that reference Tino's ancestry. I came across a description/listing of the "capitulos," in the book that you mentioned by Vazquez y Frias. I found one that looked promising, and I would appreciate it if you could/would check it out. I've listed it below...

Genealogia de Nochistlan, by Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias
Capitulo 30 Descendencia de Lorenzo Mexia viudo de Ines de Estrada.

Many thanks!
Pat

Gloria wrote:
We just unpacked from storage our copy of:

"Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."
Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias. This was privately printed in 2001, with more than 400 pages, and thousands of surnames in the index, and "data from Jalostitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan and more."

It sounds similar to the book "Nochistlan Zacatecas - Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas" that Alicia has. If someone has surnames they would like looked up, we'll give it a try. (Sorry, there's no Corbera, I already checked.)

Gloria Delgado

Gloria,

I have both books, Jose Luis' book is mostly Geneaology with a couple of indexes one for all the names and one for the chapters.

The other book, Nochistlan Zacatecas has much historical data with a multitude of Duran family trees and groups of families, some census data for 1879, data on the diocese of Guadalajara, a diagram of the original blueprint of the town of Nochistlan. A diagram of the forts and fortifications that existed in May of 1864 during the battle with the French. It has a list of the political leaders of Nochistlan from 1853-1885. It has land owners and deed holders for the year 1876 and the taxes they paid. It lists all the ranchos that belonged to the curate of Nochistlan in July of 1896. Also listed is a list of all the Presbiters from 1619 through 1693.

It also lists some history of El Teul, Apulco, Juchipila, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche, Jalpa, Tlaltenango, Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Tenayuca, Toyahua, Ichipalco and Aguascalientes.
It has an index for the chapters and unlike Jose Luis' book, it does not have an index for all the names that appear in the book which would be really useful for finding a particular name or person.

Deena Ortiz has volunteered to index the names if I photo copy the pages and forward them to her. First I would like to ask Mr Enrique Legaspi, our new member if his copy is an original and if it is, it might have indexed names.

Thanks Gloria,

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

We just unpacked from storage our copy of:

"Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."
Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias. This was privately printed in 2001, with more than 400 pages, and thousands of surnames in the index, and "data from Jalostitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan and more."

It sounds similar to the book "Nochistlan Zacatecas - Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas" that Alicia has. If someone has surnames they would like looked up, we'll give it a try. (Sorry, there's no Corbera, I already checked.)

George-

Is Luz Montejano's book available? Over a year ago I contacted Borderland Books and was informed that the book was not available, but hopefully soon a re-issuance would occur, and that I would be contacted. No word yet.

Paul Gomez
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara & Family Search
Sent: May 15, 2011 3:42 PM

Luz Montejano's "Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" gives references to the films where she extracted the data in her book. At least some (perhaps all?) of these references are to the LSD Family History Library microfilm numbers.

At least some of the films are now posted with the Guadalajara, Jalisco records. I've looked up a few, and they are in the Guadalajara, Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios group of films.

If you have the microfilm reference from Luz Montejano's book, you can look up the microfilm at the Family Search catalog website (search by film number). This will give you the years covered on the film; from this you can pick the film with this date range.

To make sure you are looking at the right film, the film number that is on the first or second image of the film must be the same as the reference from Sagrada Mitra.

On any given film, the entries are not in chronological order, and they are not indexed. You will need to do a systematic search to find the records of interest. Note that some of the films are long (I looked at one with more than 1200 images!).

For example: I found the record (dated 10 June 1697, Lagos) for the marriage of Nicolas Macias Valades, morisco, hijo natural of Nicolas Macias Valades, Espanol, and Josepha Rincon, mulata libre. Nicolas (the son) was getting married to Antonia de la Fuente de Araujo, Espanola (padres no conosidos). The film is "Matrimonios, 1689-1796" and the record begins at image 60.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

Seguramente tú y yo somos primos. No he revisado bien tus arboles pero creo que a través de tus linajes de Totatiche así como el de Castañeda de Tlaltenango debemos tener ancestros en común.

Arturo

Aurora Romo
I believe that is Velis

Alice,

On second thought, it could be Velis or something similar, because it's so faint
and obscure, it's difficult to decipher what the letters could be.

Alicia

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From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 9:12:31 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] decipher

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would please help me interpret a name
on a baptismal entry. I'm trying to figure out the paternal grandmother's
name: Manuela ?? It's Zac, Zac, Sagrario Bautismos 1854-1855, image 74, entry
550. All thoughts will be considered!!Thank you for your help.
Alice Blake

Alice,

My wild guess would be Manuela Ruis. I looked at the capital R up above where it
states, yo el Presb. D Ramon Valenzuela.

Does Ruis fit in with your current family lines or would this be a new surname?

Hope this helps,

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 9:12:31 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] decipher

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would please help me interpret a name
on a baptismal entry. I'm trying to figure out the paternal grandmother's
name: Manuela ?? It's Zac, Zac, Sagrario Bautismos 1854-1855, image 74, entry
550. All thoughts will be considered!!Thank you for your help.
Alice Blake

In Los Angeles on time warner cable it will air on KOCE at 10pm, channel 240

I live near Santa Barbara, California... and beside the fact that I can see it announced on their web-site and and internet news, I can't find anything... searched tv guide on-line and my digital listngs for PBS (KCET here, I guess!) on my tv... I'm sure it'll come on some time! Thanks for the heads-up anyway! I'll be looking =]

Michael Castro-Correa

Where is it beng shown tonight, Sunday, May 15? Here in the Seattle area it looks like it won't be shown on our local PBS station until May 30 from 10:00pm - 12:00 pm.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: aderomo@msn.com
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:46:26 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Revolucion
>
>
> PBS is broadcasting tonight The Storm that Swept Mexico a 2 hour documentary on the Mexican revolution. I thought you might be interested in seeing and learning about what our ancestors went through. The documentary took 10 years to make. It includes interviews with 4 people who fought in the revolution and footage of battle areas and haciendas. Perhaps some of our ancestors will be mentioned
>
> Aurora Romo

Dates and times, please?

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Revolucion

PBS is broadcasting tonight The Storm that Swept Mexico a 2 hour documentary
on the Mexican revolution. I thought you might be interested in seeing and
learning about what our ancestors went through. The documentary took 10
years to make. It includes interviews with 4 people who fought in the
revolution and footage of battle areas and haciendas. Perhaps some of our
ancestors will be mentioned

Aurora Romo

There is a Filomena Vasquez, daughter of Dolores Vasquez and Luciana Crus, baptized 2 Apr 1853, San Cosme, Villa De Cos, Zacatecas. This film is online; details from image 43 are:

Filomena Vasquez, baptized 2 Apr 1853, San Cosme, 15 days old, born in Sierralira
Parents: Dolores Vasquez & Luciana Crus
Paternal grandparents: Bartolo Vasquez & Luisa Acosta
Maternal grandparents: Fabian Crus & Nicolasa Moncivais

Francisca's baptism on 8 Jun 1858, is at image 357 on the same film. Parents/grandparents are the same.

I did not find any other children of Dolores and Luciana.

Hopefully, this is helpful.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Quien fue la esposa de Gabriel
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Unless the submitters email address is given then you won't be able to
find out who this is. As for source documents if you are fortunate
enough to have the location be online as in some of the Jalisco records
then just go to the online records and advance quickly to find the dates
given for your great grandmother. If not you have to do a place search
and find the films available for this area. then you would find the film
that corresponds to the dates for your great grandmother and order that
film.

Verification as always is the key to all information found online.

joseph

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aamorales42@yahoo.com wrote:
> I found an entry for my elusive great grandmother on the new Family
> Search. this record shows two additional parents in addition to the
> ones I had as her parents.(three sets of parents). I know this is my
> great grandmother because it shows her husband and two of her children
> which have been confirmed by source documents. Also shows a variation
> of her name and a different date of birth. I have checked these new
> names and have not found anything more. family pedigree with details
> tab shows person identifier: LHJL-SHJ. What does this mean. Any
> suggestions as to how to check this out further and find either the
> submitter of this additional information and/or source
> documents.Thanks -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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