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Eric Freeman

This couple is my current "brick wall," too in tracing my Angulo line back. I had been looking for them in Jalostotitlan.
On 22 Jan 1741, Maria Josepha Villa Senor married Joseph Manuel Lozano. Her parents were Francisco Villa Senor and Juana Angulo.
On 7 May 1742, Josef Antonio Villa Senor married Anna Francisca Lozano. His parents were Francisco Villa Senor and Juana Angulo, defunto. So it appears Juana Angulo died sometime in 1741 or early 1742.
Josef Antonio seemed to take the surname Angulo, and the couple had eleven children that I can find.
I wonder if Maria Josepha and Josef Antonio are the two children you mention, or if you found others.

No se mucho de esta pareja pero se que ella es probable desciendiente de Juan de Angulo Reynoso
y Maria Altamirano de Guevara quienes radicaron en Puebla de los Angeles a los principios
del siglo XVII dichos casaron 16 de feb de 1624, los que he estudiado Angulo procede de esta
pareja en Puebla de los Angeles. El partido no menciona los padres del novio pero los de la novia
eran Miguel Ruiz de Guevara y Maria Altamirano de Guzman. Quienes enlazaron con otras familias
ilustres de la Ciudad de Mexico.

He estudiado esta familia porque enlazaron con mis Arce-Castilla y Rincon Gallardo en la area
de Cienega de Mata-Aguascalientes, luego dos hermanos volvieron a Puebla donde casaron
y con ellos llevaron sangre de los Rincon Gallardo y sangre alten~a a Puebla. Tambien llegaron hijos de
los dichos a Oaxaca.

Ojala por lo menos este seria util para tu busqueda. Debes investigar los archivos de Puebla de los Angeles.
Muy probable que podias remotar a los dichos, pareja que se establecion en Puebla hacia 1620.

Un gran saludo

Daniel Méndez y Camino

You want to try San Cristobal de la Barranca, I think your in a sticky area, theres
lots of possibilities. Guadalajara is 15 miles south of Garcia de la Cadena thats
always a possibility. Hope this helps.

Daniel Méndez y Camino

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:14:20 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Garcia de la Cadena Zacatecas
>
> Someone knows where the parish records of La Hacienda de la Estanzuela, Rancho de la Tetilla, La Ceja (Now Garcia de la Cadena Zacatecas)are?. I found some records in Mezquital del Oro from 1766 to 1809 but some records are in Teul de Gonzalez Ortega but I could´not find all the records of my family.
>
> Alguien sabe donde puedo encontar los registros de la Hacienda de la Estanzuela, Rancho la Tetilla, La ceja, ahora estan en elmunicipio deGarcia de la Cadena. Encontre algunos registros de mi familia en Mezquital del Oro pero segun parece parte de los registros estan en El Teul, pero al parecer no estan completos.
>
>
> Gracias.
>

Gracias Jorge!

Daniel Méndez y Camino

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:39:55 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pedro Antonio Leonel de Cervantes.
>
>
> Daniel:
>
> Hace días me llegó un mensaje tuyo pidiéndome si tenía información del matrimonio registrado en Tepatitlán el día 25 de mayo de 1759 entre Pedro Antonio Leonel de Cervantes y Ana Gertrudis Vélez de la Torre. Siento mucho no poder ayudarte, no he revisado dicho registro matrimonial.
>
> La única informacíón que tengo sobre esta familia es el registro de tres de sus hijos:
>
> 1.- Tecla Josefa de San Vicente Cervantes Vélez. 08 de octubre de 1765.
> 2.- Agustín Francisco Rafael Cervantes Vélez. 23 de octubre de 1767.
> 3.- María Margarita de San Ramón Cervantes Vélez. 10 de agosto de 1770.
>
> Si algún día de estos voy a la notaría parroquial trataré de buscar dicho registro para pasarte dicha información. Ahorita no te prometo nada porque ando algo ocupado con algunos problemas personales y de trabajo.
>
> Saludos.
>
> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
> Tel.: 3781095311
> www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez
>
>
>
>
>

It is back up this morning.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Sí como dices, Jacinta de Ortega fuera hija de Alonso Pérez de Ortega y María de Jerez, creo que tengo un dato que puede ayudar a verificar dicha información.

En el libro Bautismos, matrimonios y defunciones, en el primer siglo de Santa María de los Lagos escrito por Mario Gómez Mata en la página 228 se encuentra la transcripción de la siguiente acta:

23 de noviembre (1613) casé a Francisco Thaide español y a su mujer María Muñoz fueron sus padrinos Alonso Pérez de Ortega y su mujer doña María Jerez. Br. Francisco Pérez Rubin.

En dicho registro hay una nota al pie de página para Alonso Pérez de Ortega y dice lo siguiente:

Este personaje en su testamento señala que es casado al parecer en segundas nupcias con Luisa Venegas y que es originario del reino de Castilla en España, "hijo de Lope Ruiz de Ortega y doña Elvira Pérez mis padres difuntos que fueron de la villa de Priego en Andalucía, once leguas de la ciudad de Granada". (AHML, Libros de Notarios de 1636)

Entonces habrá que buscar dicho testamento para revisar sí en el se menciona a sus hijos, sobre todo a Jacinta de Ortega que es la que nos interesa.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Hola Daniel,

Tambien soy descendiente de Juana Pérez de Ortega por medio de su hijo Francisco Galván de Rojas que casó con Petronila de Villalobos. Ellos tuvieron a Antonia Petronila Galván de Rojas que casó con Juan de Villalobos Tiscareño. De esas dos ultimas parejas hemos placticado antes. Juan de Villalobos y Petronila Galván tuvieron a Juan José Villalobos Galván que casó con Ignacia González Moreno. Ignacia fue hija de Pedro González de Rubalcava y Petra Moreno de Ortega.

¿Sabes que grado de parentesco tenia Petronila Galvan Reinoso, esposa de Tomás Villalobos Tiscareño, con Hernando Galván de Roxas? Se que sus padres eran Pedro Galván de Rojas y Mariana Reinoso pero no se mas que eso.

Armando

*cofradía**.*

(De *cofrade*).

*1. *f. Congregación o hermandad que forman algunos devotos, con
autorización competente, para ejercitarse en obras de piedad.

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=cofradía

Armando
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, wrote:

> I have a couple of questions? I am familiar with the Conde of Hacienda San
> Mateo in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico back in the days of 1700's.
>
> What was his purpose in regards to administration? Where there any Condes
> in Alta California at that time?
>
> Now also I would like to know what are Cofradias?
>
> Because in our village of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico there is a
> Cofradia which is now a ranch. When I browsed through archives of
> Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico in the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
> History Center, I browsed through a roll of microfilm for the year 1608 of
> the Cofradia of Huejuquilla.
>
> In the Microfilm, I saw daily journals written by the Mayordomo Lazaro
> Medina during that time and also saw inventory lists from that time period
> which included items such as:
>
> Corona De Plata
> Vino
> Velas De Barro
> Pollos por los enfermos
> Caldo de Chocolate
>
> In that inventory list was a list of items with the cost for each and the
> monetary terms used were "Pesetas" "Tomines"
>
>
> The Cofradia in the archives was titled as "La Cofradia De La Hermanidad."
>
> And I read and read the journals written by the Mayordomo Lazaro Medina.
> Very interesting, because he would describe, "Capitan Mayor," "Capitan
> Menor" and Capitanas and the names of the people with that title. But
> Capitanas? Women captains at that time?
>
> He also described visits to the Cofradia by "El Dueno De Los Minas De
> Fresnillo."
>
> And also he also mentioned visiting "Balparaiso" (Valparaiso).
>
> That archive was interesting to read because of the year 1608. I had
> trouble understanding terminology, old spanish words and the writing was
> kind of hard to decipher.
>
> But if any of you are research Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. Try looking
> up "Cofradia" You will find it listed in the Microfiche in the Huejuquilla
> section.
>
> Today there is a Cofradia in Huejuquilla but it is just a ranch and it is
> also listed on the map of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.
>
>
>
>

Hi Welester,

There was a Liborio Batta in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco in the late 1800s. He was famous for starting a band there and continued playing after his death. He wrote many banda songs that are still played during the carnaval bullfights.

I have an old picture of the band from 1907, unfortunately he's not in it but there's a Jose Batta in the picture. Maybe it's his son or brother. If you're interested I can email it to you.

Sergio Gutierrez

Robert:

We would need some more context to your query, i.e. what specific town or region would Marcelo have been born in? You wouldn't be talking about the famous Marcos Marcelo Escobedo, who was the mayor of Colotlan and has the same birthdate as the person you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos_Escobedo

Hola Maria,

Yo tambien soy descendiente de Alejandro Preciado y Petronila Garcia de Alba. No dudes en comunicarte si te puedo ayudar en algo.

Mabel Covarrubias de Doucette

Hola, yo soy descendiente directa de Petronila García de Alba, si gustas podemos compartir información, me llamo Blanca Isabel Guerrero Santana. Saludos!

>
> INTERES EN COMUNICARME CON:
>
> DESCENDIENTES DE:
>
> ALEJANDRO PRECIADO
> CASADO CON:
> PETRONILA GARCIA DE ALBA
> TECOLOTLAN, JALISCO
>
> Y :
>
> LORENZO PRECIADO
> CASADO CON
> JUSTA MICHEL.
>
> GRACIAS
>
> MARIA

Hola Miguel:

Me da mucho gusto encontrar a otra persona que al igual que yo, busca
información sobre la familia "Gonzalez de Hermosillo". Primero las malas
noticias...siento mucho informarte que no cuento con ninguna información
sobre las personas que mencionas en tu mensaje.

Yo desciendo en linea directa paternal de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
casado con Anna Rodriguez de La Magdalena. He encontrado en mis ancestros
10 generaciones de "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" en el area de Jalostotitlán y
Santa Ana.

Me gustaría, si tu me lo permites, establecer una comunicación contigo para
tener un tipo de ayuda mutua en nuestras busquedas por estas familias. Yo
he tenido problemas al tratar de encontrar información sobre los hermanos y
hermanas de mi Abuelo Patricio Gonzalez Gutierrez. El nació en el rancho
"El Cuadrado" en 1875 y su padre fue Jose Simon de San Rafael Gonzalez de
Hermosillo, nacido en "Los Portales" , Jalostotitlán en 1825 y casado con
Ma. del Rosario Gutierrez Gonzalez.

Espero con ancias la publicacion de los libros del Lic. Mariano Gonzalez
Leal sobre las familias de Los Altos. El tomo #4 de "Retoños de España en
La Nueva Galicia" es el que contiene la información sobre las familias
"Gonzalez de Hermosillo". Tuve la oportunidad de conocer al Lic. Gonzalez
Leal hace dos años en Valle de Gudalupe en una conferencia de Genealogistas
y Cronistas que alli se llevó a cabo. Tuve al mismo tiempo la oportunidad
de ver la primera impresión de su obra completa.

Recibe un caluroso saludo.

Atte: John Gonzalez
Wildomar, California
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Si prefieres te puedes comunicar directamente a mi correo electronico.

PD: En que parte de Mexico te encuentras?

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:42
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuevo Miembro

> Hola a todos, mi nombre es Miguel y he estado investigando desde hace un
> tiempo a mi familia en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, y a través de este gran
> foro de expertos he encontrado bastante información sobre el apellido
> González de Hermosillo que es uno de los más comunes de los Altos de
> Jalisco.
>
> Sin embargo, algunos cabos sueltos aún me faltan, entre otros como
> ejemplo, Jose González de Hermosillo casado con Josefa Ochoa Garibay Ortiz
> de Zarate tuvieron varios hijos, uno de los cuales fue Nicolas González de
> Hermosillo y Ochoa Garibay quien caso en 1744 con María Antonia Gonzalez
> Rubio y de la Torre Ledesma, estos tuvieron también varios hijos, uno de
> ellos fue Agustín González de Hermosillo González Rubio, sin embargo no he
> podido encontrar algún dato sobre su nacimiento en ninguna parte.
>
> Lo único que he encontrado al respecto fue el batch M6322-7 Film Number
> 279298 RN 2:PBN5TG en donde aparece que Agustin González hijo de Nicolas
> González y Maria Antonia González Rubio se caso en 1787 con Maria
> Gertrudis Martín, hija de Bartholo Martín y Gertrudis Hernandez en
> Jalostotitlan.
>
> Agradecería mucho cualquier información que pudiesen aportarme sobre este
> particular y sobre otros que tengo, igualmente estoy a su disposición para
> cualquier aportación que les sirva de mi investigación.
> >

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Paul, no I wasn't familiar with the book. It does seem to be a good one.

Henry, your welcome.

Emilie, familysearch will provide results for alternate spellings most of the time but every once in a while some are missed for whatever reason. Ph comes from Greek via Latin, as do Th and a version of Ch as in Christobal. I can definitely understand the difficulty in relating people's names with their Latin equivalent.

Joseph, in 1492 Antonio de Nebrija wrote that there was a difference in the pronunciation in Spanish but currently the Royal Academy of Spanish states there should be no difference in the pronunciation. http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltObtenerHtml?IDLEMA=78019&NEDIC=Si The ambiguous use of the v/b show us there was no agreed upon rule of spelling for those periods and the priests found no difference in the pronunciation.

Armando

In a Nuestros Ranchos message from 2006, Corrine Ardoin made the following statement:

"Also, because spelling was done phonetically, you can determine where an
ancestor was from in Spain by how they spelled words, some of which are
regionally distinct by Spanish provinces, whether associated with the church
or nobility, etc., because of how they anunciated their words".

It seems that the use of "s" and "z" interchangeably was a regional thing, in Spain and Latin America. It was just customary to use "s" or "z", depending on where one lived.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: henricvs@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:26:28 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] An "S" in Spain and "Z" in Americas
>
> I apologize if this question has been asked, I did a search and could not find a substantive answer here. It is fairly common knowledge that Spanish names in the Americas have "Z" instead of "S". Chavez instead of Chaves. My rudimentary understanding is that the "Z" was used to deal with some of the indigenous sounds in words and names already in use in South America.
>
> My question. Does anyone know when this change took place? Was there an official edict from Spain? Was it done after the revolution? I really would like to read about this subject. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Henry

I too have found this problem in the Zacatecas records. It seems people there (Tepetongo) used several surnames interchangeably. Abuelos paternos means paternal grandparents, the baby's father's parents.

Both men and women in some cases used their mother's surnames interchangeably with their father's surnames for some reason. I found one way around it; I would look for the records of the siblings of the baby, and see what names were given for the paternal and maternal grandparents, then I would use the one that they used most of the time, especially if it followed the paternal line. Also check for the records for the baptisms of the baby's parents to see what names they gave for their grandparents. Does that make sense?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: resco16@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:18:05 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thick Brick Wall!!! lol
>
> I have hit a brick wall and need advice. Looking at old church records for my great grandfather, Teodoro Escobedo, it shows "AP Estevan y Francisca Lozano" which I've always assumed meant his grandparents were Estevan Escovedo and Francisca Lozano (maiden name). However, with the help of that link I put up I found a church record for one of Teodoro's brothers, Enrique, but it was listed as follows: "Enrique Losano" and "AP Estevan Losano y Francisca Lira". It also shows Teodoro's father as a Losano, Gabino Losano, which has confused me. My question is "AP" stands for abuelos paternos right? That would be the grandparents of the person being christened or born, in this case Teodoro right? Or would AP be an older ancestor and am I missing an ancestor? I was told our family came originally from Jalisco but most of these, in fact all, are in Zacatecas which I knew we also came from, just not this far back. Were there a lot of mistakes on the old church records? They have always
s
> eemed to verify what I was told by my grandfather and this has confused me. Thanks for any advice or help.
>
> Robert Escobedo

However, I wanted to share my experience, and perhaps it may be something else for you to explore:My father was born (1912) at Hacienda del Astillero. The church for that Hacienda is called, if I recall correctly, Nuestra Senora, Maria de Los Refugios. An Image can be seen here:http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/fotovalpa.html#(see under haciendas [not iglesias]- last photo on right).His baptismal record is held at La Purisima church in Valparaiso, Zac., which is the Jurisdictional center (akin to the county seat) - also where civil records for the area would be found.The records for many ranchos in the areas surrounding Valparaiso are found in Valparaiso. It may be that the records you seek are in a larger nearby town.
Natalie

Arturo,

I found a Ma. Trinidad Gonzalez Casillas, daughter of Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonios 1827-1838 files, image #89, via the Mormon Church beta search records.

Ma. Trinidad was born in La Villita and married Fermin Pereira Baldovinos (Fermin Pereida Valdovinos) from Ojo de Agua on 9/19/1831.

Assuming Ma. Trinidad was approximately 20 years old when she married, she would be born about 1811. This means that you will not find Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonio 1827-1838 files.

----- Original Message -----
From: agon123@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:20:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

Hello Group,
I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.

I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.

I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?

Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?

As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.

At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!

Arturo

Arturo, Hola en el siguiente registro encuentras a un Lucas en su matrimonio..sé que no es tu Lucas.. pero siendo su contemporáneo del mismo pueblo.. yo no lo descartaría del todo.. porque en las familias se repetían mucho los nombres y los Lucas no son tan comunes, así que aunque no fuese TU Lucas posiblemente, Tranquilino si pudiese ser hermano o su primo.. de tu José Maria Gonzalez.. luego checando aunque te falte una rama.. puedes llegar al tronco común de los Gonzalez de Teúl.. yo he llegado a registros por medio de las cuñadas...pues resulta que a veces un fulanito se casó un una de zacatecas y se fué de su lugar de origen al lugar de origen de la novia, averiguando en su acta de matrimonio di con el pueblo y con los demás hijos.. es comun que si un hermano se casa en una ciudad diferente y se queda ahi.. lo alcancen más hermanos.. éste Lucas pudo ser primo del tuyo... Jose María Gonzalez sólo se casó con Julia Casillas? no tuvo primeros o segundos matrimonios? I will try to check what I can find...Lety R

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Name
Bruno Gonzales Luna

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
09 Oct 1836

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date

Birthplace
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Antonio Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Mariana

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Victor Luna

Maternal Grandmother's name
Guadalupe Arellano

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-5

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164320

Reference Number
2:21F36WH

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Name
Lucas Gonzales Luna

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
22 Oct 1834

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
18 Oct 1834

Birthplace
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Antonio Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Maria Arias

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Victor Luna

Maternal Grandmother's name
Guadalupe Arellano

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-5

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164320

Reference Number
2:21F2SST
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Tranquilino Gonzales
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

spouse:
Benita Luna

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Francisco Gonzales Luna

gender:
Male

baptism/christening date:
20 Sep 1832

baptism/christening place:
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

birth date:
15 Sep 1832

birthplace:
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

father's name:
Tranquilino Gonzales

mother's name:
Benita Luna

paternal grandfather's name:
Antonio Gonzales

paternal grandmother's name:
Dolores Arias

maternal grandfather's name:
Victor Luna

maternal grandmother's name:
Guadalupe Aro

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-5

system origin:
Mexico-EASy

source film number:
1164320
Maria Lucas Gonzalez Arias
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

residence:
Zacatecas, Mexico

parents:
Antonio Gonzalez, Maria De Arias

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Maria Lucas Gonzalez Arias

gender:
Female

baptism/christening date:
31 Oct 1813

baptism/christening place:
TEUL DE GONZALEZ ORTEGA,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

father's name:
Antonio Gonzalez

mother's name:
Maria De Arias

maternal grandfather's name:
Antonio Arias

maternal grandmother's name:
Juana Gracian

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-3

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164318

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Name
Jose Lucas Carrillo Gonzales

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
24 Oct 1823

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
19 Oct 1823

Birthplace
, Teul De Gonzalez Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Sisto Carrillo

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Margarita Gonzales

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Tomas Carrillo

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Getrudis Miramontes

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Albino Gonzales

Maternal Grandmother's name
Josefa Najar

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-4

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164319

Reference Number
2:21DZH7D

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

Jose Maria Gonzales
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

spouse:
Julia Casillas

record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

groom's name:
Simon Gonzales

groom's birth date:
1830

groom's age:
35

bride's name:
Valeriana Gonzales

bride's birth date:
1840

bride's age:
25

marriage date:
08 Jun 1865

marriage place:
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

groom's father's name:
Jose Maria Gonzales

groom's mother's name:
Julia Casillas

bride's father's name:
Juan Gonzales

bride's mother's name:
Bonifacia Castro

indexing project (batch) number:
M61705-1

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164334
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Groom's Name
Juan Alvares

Groom's Birth Date
1843

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
26

Bride's Name
Maria Gonsales

Bride's Birth Date

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age

Marriage Date
18 Mar 1869

Marriage Place
Santa Maria Mecatabasco,Villa Del Refugio,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Manuel Alvares

Groom's Mother's Name
Maria Jesus Gonsales

Bride's Father's Name
Jose Maria Gonsales

Bride's Mother's Name
Julia Casillas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M60121-6

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1094876

Reference Number

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: agon123@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:20:52 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa
>
> Hello Group,
> I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.
>
> I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.
>
> I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?
>
> Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?
>
> As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.
>
> At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!
>
> Arturo
>

As far as checking the records at the church in Jalpa, just from my own
experience. When we went and asked to see their books, they showed us the oldest
book that they had, it was dated 1919. The Priest came out a little up set and
ask where we had gotten a copy of our records that we showed them, that we had
on us that was dated 1891. The church had a fire some time back and according to
him their records were burned. Don't know how LDS has gotten a hold of the
images of any records! But it's awesome.

Wish you success

Hi Victor!

I just sent you a couple of pages on the info you requested. I will
look through the rest of the book and send you anything else I find, ok?

Thanks!

Josie Trevino Trevino
On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:10 PM, mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

>
> I am trying to find some document or the transcription of a document
> showing if MAGDALENA DE AGUILAR (wife of FRANCISCO ELIZONZDO) was
> the daughter of GASPAR DUARTE and MARIA DE AGUILAR (they all lived
> in MAZAPIL, Zacatecas, around 1625-1655). I think the following book
> may have this information, particularly on page 16. If somebody has
> it and could please send me a photo or image of the parts of the
> book containing biographical information of these persons or their
> children I’d really appreciate it. Thanks a lot, VN
>
> Guillermo Garmendia Leal, Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo
> Mexico, Coahuila y Nuevo Leon. ZACATECAS, Tomo 1, 1995 (Contains
> marriages of Mazapil, 1649-1700, Deaths in Mazapil, 1667-1693, and
> protocolos of Mazapil 1568-1713. Jursiciction included six outposts
> & haciendas. Monterrey, 1995, 1st Ed., 107 Pgs.)
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Hola Jorge,

Si he trabajado poco en lineas de Jalpa, pero no al extenso que me considero experto en esta
area. La problema que he notado de Jalpa, la poblacion no tuvieron Iglesia or registro hasta
los principios del siglo XIX. Aunque si se hace referencia que habia una Iglesia durante
la colonia pero no hay ningun registro sacramental de esa epoca por Jalpa. He notado
tambien, pues mis lineas de Jalpa, se fueron hasta lugares como Tabasco, Calvillo,
Aguascalientes, Tlatenango, Nochistlan para ser sus sacramentos. Lo misma va para
la poblacion de Juchipila, realmente cun~a de los Flores de la Torre, en que si he estudiado
bastante.

Aqui te proporciono algunos registros que ojala sera util:

Name: Maria Del Asumpsion Corona Caxigales
Baptism/Christening Date: 21 Aug 1726
Baptism/Christening Place: NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name: Cayetano Corona
Mother's Name: Juana De Caxigales

Casaron dichos

Groom's Name: Cayetano Corona
Bride's Name: Juana Tereza Cagigales
Marriage Date: 31 May 1721
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Sospecho que hay posbilidad que estos sean hermanos de tu Gabriel ya que casaron alreador
del mismo tiempo y tal razon que el apellido Camara-Menoyo no es comun.

Groom's Name: Jn. Manuel De La Camara Y Menozo
Bride's Name: Maria Thereza Castanedo Y Zenallos
Marriage Date: 02 Feb 1727
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Name: Justiniano De Moscoso Y Sandobal
Bride's Name: Maria Theresa De La Camara Y Menoyo
Marriage Date: 23 May 1756
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Fuente: Todos sacados de Microfilm de los partidos sacramentales de Nochistlan
Y Poco estudio que he hecho de esta familia.

Hay muchisimos Castaneda Ceballos (no es Castanedo y Zenallos).
Le sugiero en buscar el matrimonio de Justianano Moscoso Sandoval
ya que en ese tiempo si registra los nombres de padres. Dudo
que en la partida de Juan MAnuel en 1727 menciona los padres.
Todos estos seran pistas que nos ayudara en alguna manera.
Perdon que no puede estudiar esta familia con mas estudiez ya que
me roba el tiempo con otros proyectos. Solo pense que podia ayudar
a lo menos con estos. Ojala que te puedo ayudar Jorge.

Estoy interesado en esta familia tambien, digame si tienes exito en
esta linea.

Daniel

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:07 -0500
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia de la Cámara y Menoyo. Hacienda de Santa Clara.
>
>
> Hola compañeros de nuestros ranchos, tengo tiempo en búsqueda de mis ancestros de la Cámara y Menoyo, vecinos de la Hacienda de Santa Clara en jurisdicción de Jalpa, Zacatecas. La última persona que tengo registrada de dicha familia es a mi ancestro Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo, esposo de María Flores de la Torre, de quienes no tengo quienes son sus ancestros.
>
> Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo y María Flores de la Torre tuvieron por hijo a Gabriel de la Cámara y Menoyo, segundo de sus hijos, quien casó en Nochistlán con María de la Asunción Corona Caxigales el 13 de noviembre de 1743, hija legítima de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales, de quienes tampoco se quienes fueron sus ancestros.

I think is the same family I don´t Know regards Lety R

sghome57 at hotmail dot com
13-Apr-2006 13:30
#2851

Hi..my name is Sara Ybarra Gomez and my family is from Dallas, Texas. My father is Birginio Pena Ybarra and my mother is Mary Louise Vargas Ybarra. My brothers are Raymond,Ramero,Frednando,Baldemare,Carlos, Edward, Arthur and Albert. My sister is Virginia and we are all from Dallas. My father however is from Electra Texas and his father is Juan Rangel Ybarra and my grandmother is Apolinaria Pena Ybarra. I was told that my grandmother is an American Indian and my grandfather is from Mexico. Any information would be greatly appreciated. My neice Jennifer Ybarra is working on our family tree and I would like to help. Thanks,Sara
http://www.buber.net/Basque/Surname/Y/ybarra.html?page=4

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: maria.cortes@trin.net
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:57:27 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado helping the Ybarra family
>
> I need help...I'm trying to help my brother-in-law locate his g grandfather...Juan Ybarra......just trying to find out where he was born.
>
> Manuel Ybarra married Elisa Ybarra in Dallas Tx . Manuel was born in Kaufman Tx on 1920. He had a brother named Birginio Ybarra born in 1927.
>
> Their parents were Juan R Yabarra and Apolinaria Pena. Juan was born in Mexico but we can not find out where he was born. Juan's father was
>
> Apolinario Ybarra or Abolinario Ybarra born in Mexico too we guess. Apolinario's wife only has a name of "Espiririona" not sure if this is a last name or a first name.
>
> We got a hold of Juan Ybarra's Death certificate and this is where it says that his parents were Abolinario Ybarra and Espiririona.
>
>
> Can anyone help.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>