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Hernandez, Carlos (San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Arandas, JAL)

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Hernandez, Carlos (San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Arandas, JAL)

Some of Carlos Hernandez’s ancestry can be found here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24211

Rick A. Ricci

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Mon, 2021-02-01 21:37 | Permalink

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Hello Carlos,

I am curious to know the name of your father. Why you may ask, because I remember that you wanted to find a document connecting your grandfather to your father and there are a couple of variables that should be looked into. Both your grandfather and grandmother were married previously, and your grandmother’s first husband was also surnamed Hernández.
The other issue of finding your ancestor J. Guadalupe Hernandez’s baptismal record Is the possibility that J Guadalupe is the same person as Jose de Los Angeles Hernández. Why ? Because on another occasion I found someone that some tines used Jose Guadalupe and on other times used Jose Guadalupe de Los Angeles, and was also known as Jose de Los Angeles. I did find a baptismal record for a Jose de Los Angeles Hernández, son of J. Guadalupe’s parents.

You have another ancestor that used two names, “Jose de Los Santos” and “Jose De Dios”.

Have you researched your Romo ancestry? This is your closest relationship to me. Our Romo ancestries make us fifth cousins. You have another ancestral line that makes you a fifth cousin to my wife.

Hope you are well,
Rick A. Ricci

Longoria Family

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I am seeking information on the Longoria family from Zacatecas. My son-in-law's grandfather is Arturo F. Longoria, born about 1927 in Zacatecas.

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Published by tjs090806 – Wed, 2020-10-21 07:46 | Permalink

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So, I presented my research to my son-in-law; it was the wrong Longoria family. There were two Longoria families, bother from Sombrerete, Zacatecas who immigrated to the US and settled in Anthony, NM/TX. My son-in-law is the son of Jose Longoria who is the son of Alberto Longoria who married Maria Eldia Rubalcava. Alberto is the son of Jose Ines Longoria, son of Sixto Longoria. I could find no intersection between the two Longoria families, but there must be one before 1800.

Thom Sloan

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Thom,

This is the Longoria branch that your son in law descends from:

José María Vasquez and Gregoria de Santa Cruz are the parents of Ponciana Vasquez

Felipe Longoria and Maria Isabel Josefa Muñoz are the parents of Sixto Longoria Muñoz

Sixto Longoria Muñoz and Ponciana Vasquez Santa Cruz are the parents of Jose Ines Longoria Vasquez

Francisco Conde Cervantes and Josefa Lozano Santa Cruz are the parents of Teodora Conde Lozano

Jose Ines Longoria Vasquez and Teodora Conde Lozano are the parents of Alberto Longoria Conde

Alberto Longoria Conde and María Eldia Rubalcava (daughter of Antonio Rubalcava and Bernardina Farango) are the parents of Jose Longoria

Dionicio Conde (aka Dionicio Castillo Conde) and María Luciana Cervantes are the parents of Francisco Conde Cervantes

Dionicio Conde (Castillo Conde) is the natural son of Castor De la Cruz

Gil Lozano and Luisa Santa Cruz are the parents of Josefa Lozano Santa Cruz

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci – Wed, 2020-10-07 13:53 | Permalink

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Jorge,

Do you have Cenobia’s death record. If her name was originally Angeles then you may try looking for María de Los Angeles Longoria.

Jose Rosalio Minchaca Zamora and Cenobia Longoria Castañon are the parents of at least three: Edmundo, Roberto and Hector.

Rick A. Ricci

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Rick,
I found their marriage certificate; Rosalio Minchaca Zamora (my grandfather) and Cenobia Longoria Castañon got married on September 11th 1900 in Sombrerete Zacatecas. The first name appears as Cenobia and not Angeles, I also found some of their children’s birth certificates and they all show that their mother’s first name was Cenobia. (In some matches from MyHeritage she appears as Senobia).

They were:
Edmundo Minchaca Longoria, born in 1902
Roberto Minchaca Longoria, born on September 20th, 1903
Eduardo Minchaca Longoria, born on September 8th, 1905
Maria Ernestina Minchaca Longoria, born on January 11th, 1908
Emma Minchaca Longoria, born on October 21st, 1909
Maria Aurora Minchaca Longoria, born on October 27th, 1911
Héctor Minchaca Longoria, born on August 15th, 1915 (my father)
Sergio Minchaca Longoria, born and deceased in 1920
Rodrigo Minchaca Longoria, born and deceased at unknown dates.

Jorge Minchaca

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Hi Jorge,

Great news that you found Rosalio and Cenobias marriage record. There are two civil marriage records. I don’t know which of the two civil marriage records you found. One record doesn’t name their parents, but the second marriage record does. Here it is:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G522-S738?i=279&cc=191…

Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Rick,
Thank you for your message.
Yes, this is the record I found. For once, it is very well written and all of the information is very clear.
Regards.
Jorge

Published by gpf13 – Fri, 2020-09-25 16:35 | Permalink

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Could this be him? However the birthdate seems to be much too soon

Name: Arturo Longoria
[Arturo Longoria Flores]
Gender: Hombre (Male)
Birth Date: 28 nov. 1911
Birth Registration Place: Sombrerete, Zacatecas, México (Mexico)
Registration Date: 14 dic. 1911 (14 Dec 1911)
Father: Benigno Longoria
Mother: Leovigilda Flores
Page Number: 111
Volume 1910-12

There another Arturo Longoria, but his birth is much too late.

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This is the correct Arturo Longoria. I did not realize he was so much older than his wife and I was searching in the wrong age groups.

Thomas

Published by R.A.Ricci – Tue, 2020-09-29 12:04 | Permalink

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Benigno Longoria es hijo de Faustino Longoria y Dominga Castañon
Leovigilda Flores es hija de Ladislao Flores y Patrocinia Díaz

Faustino es hijo de Geronimo Longoria y Francisca Trejo
Dominga es hija de José Claro Castañon y Aniceta Maena (Mena)

Ladislao es hijo de Ventura Flores Y Patrocina Medina
Patrocina Diaz es hija De Vicente Diaz y Clemencia Zamora

Rick A. Ricci

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My grandmother was known as Senobia Longoria but as far as I know her real first name was Angeles, I undestood that her parents were Faustino Longoria Trejo and Dominga Castañon, but she died in 1978 at the age of 97 which brings her to be born in 1881. I also understand that Faustino was born in 1884, therefore it cannot be his father.
I know that she had a brother named Salvador Longoria, married to Guadalupe Dominguez.
Does anyone know something about this?
Jorge
(I'm new in this forum and looking for my Zacatecas ancestors Minchaca & Longoria)

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Jorge,

The Faustino Longoria Trejo that is Married to Dominga Castañon was not born in 1881. His children were born around that date.

Salvador Longoria Castañon was born 13/July/1890 at Sombrerete, Zacatecas. He crossed the USA/Mexico border into the USA on 27/Sep1946 at El Paso, Texas

Here is a link to his application for a border crossing ID card: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9B2-SQL4-2?cc=3155856…

It seems that Salvador Longoria Castañon lived for many years in Chihuahua and that he had a prior marriage before Guadalupe Dominguez. He was deported at one time prior to this application and in that record he has a different wife.

Salvador had an older brother Luis that he lived with for a time in Yuma, Arizona. He can be found there in the 1920 census.

In this record there is a picture of him and it names his wife as Juliana Ramirez and it says he has two children:

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Benigno, Luis, and Salvador also had a sister named Maria Concepcion Longoria Castañeda. She was baptized 14/Jan/1893.
Here is a copy of her baptism:

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Rick A. Ricci

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Thanks Rick,
That means that my grandmother Senobia/Cenobita (Angeles) was another sister of Salvador, Luis, Maria Concepcion, Geronimo and Benigno.
I also know that Salvador married Guadalupe Dominguez and had 12 children, one of them is Mabel Longoria Dominguez who lived in Durango with my grand parents then migrated to El Paso and lives now in San Antonio.

Jorge

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Jorge,
Geronimo isn’t their brother, he is their grandfather as he is the father of Faustino Longoria.

Tell me more about your grandmother, who she married, where she lived, and any clues that I can use to try to track her down.

1)- Geronimo Longoria married Francisca Trejo and they are the parents of Faustino
2)- Faustino Longoria married Dominga Castañon and they are the parents of
3). Luis, Benigno, Salvador, Maria Concepcion, and Senobia. They may have more siblings as those are only the ones that we have identified up to now.

Rick A. Ricci

Rivera, Lisa (Ojuelos, Chinampas, JAL; ZAC; AGS)

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Welcome to nuestrosranchos,

Jose Sixto Cuellar married on 2/Oct/1808 in Ojuelos, Jalisco to María Felipa Sánchez

Rick A. Ricci

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Mon, 2021-02-01 02:42 | Permalink

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Diego Alonso and Maria Gertudis are the parents of José María Alonso (senior).

Dario (?) Reyes and Maria Lauriana are the parents of Maria Dolores Reyes.

José María Alonso (senior) and Maria Dolores Reyes are the parents of José María Alonso (Junior) (Some records seem like they are written Roxas but the surname was originally Reyes.

Pedro Nolasco Ortiz and Aniceta López are the parents of Maria Antonia Ortis y Lopez

José María Alonso y Reyes and Maria Antonia Ortis are married on 1/Feb/1849, in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QJS4-FF?i=354&cc=18745…

Nicolas Ortis and Juana Gertrudis Lira are the parents of Pedro Nolasco Ortis

Jose Lopez and Juana Nuñez are the parents of Aniceta Lopez

Juan de Los Santos Ortiz and Luisa de la Encarnacion ar the parents of Nicolas Ortis

Nicolas de Lira and Bacilia Thiburcia are the parents of Juana Gertrudis de Lira

Jose Manuel Ortis (mulato esclavo) and Ana María Teresa de Jesús (India) are the parents of Juan de Los Santos Ortis

Ana María Teresa de Jesús Cruz is the daughter of Andres De la Cruz (Indio) and Maria Nicolaza Chavez (India)

Rick A. Ricci

Introduction: Los Altos Sur, Jalisco region

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Hello everyone. My name is Carlos, I live in Michigan and I am a first generation American to parents born in San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Jalisco. I'm glad to be a part of and contribute to this group.

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2021-01-30 16:36 | Permalink

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Bacilio Medina (18) is the son Jose Ana Medina and Cirila Samudio

Jose Ana Medina is the son of Pioquinto Medina and Juana Gómez

Cirila Samudio is the daughter of Zenón Samudio and Dominga Vasquez

Macedonio Hernández and Epifanía Balvanera

Macedonio is the son of Juan Jose Hernández and Antonia Rodríguez

Epifanía is the daughter of Gerardo Balvanera and Remigia Vasquez

Juan Jose Hernández is the son of Felipe Timoteo Hernández and Ma. Candelaria Veles (Vela).

Antonia is the daughter of Pedro Rodríguez and Joaquina Salgado

Ma. Candelaria Vela is the daughter of Juan Jose Antonio (Velia) Vela and Ma. Juana Gómez.

Felipe Timoteo Hernández is the son of Feliz (Felix) Clemente Hernández and Felipa Garcia

My grandfather is a third cousin to Santo Toribio Romo. You are also related to Santo Toribio Romo.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2021-01-30 14:33 | Permalink

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Hello Carlos,

Here are some more of your ancestors:

Silviano Medrano Cuevas and Maria Vasquez married on 24/July/1923

Silviano Medrano (1904- d. 27/Dec/1874) is the son of Sixto Medrano and Alvina Medina

Maria Vasquez is the daughter of Cristoval Vasquez and Maria Trinidad Angel

Sixto Medrano and Alvina Medina married on 1/June/1889.

Sixto Medrano (d. 11/Oct/1948)is the son of Salomé Medrano and Isabel cuevas
Alvina Medina (16/Dec/1869 Valle de Gpe) is the daughter of Juan Medina and Juliana Gutierrez. Juan and Juliana were married on 14/Sep/1860, Arandas.

Juan Medina is the son of Bacilio Medina and Agustina Hernández

Juliana Gutierrez is the daughter of José María Gutierrez and Francisca Angel

Agustina is the daughter of Macedonio Hernández and Epifanía Valvaneda

José María Gutierrez is the son of Juan Jose Gutierrez and Victoriana Dolores Nieves (married 28/May/1783, Tepa)

Maria Francisca Angel is the daughter of José María Ángel and Manuela Flores

Juan Jose Gutierrez is the son of juan Marcelino Gutierrez and Feliciana Ramirez

Victoriana Dolores Nieves Is the daughter of Juan Marcelino Nieves and Maria Dolores Valencia

Juan Marcelino Gutierrez and Feliciana Ramirez married on 25/July/1764, Guadalajara

Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2021-01-30 12:41 | Permalink

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Dear Carlos,

It turns out that we are fith cousins. You descend from a half sister of my ancestor Pablo Romo Gutierrez by the name of Maria Norberta de Jesus Romo.

Here is some of your ancestry:

Cosme Martinez Hernández is the son of J. Asencion Martinez and Lorenza Hernández

Maria Irene (Irinea) Navarro is the daughter of J. Isabel Navarro and Marcelina Cabrera
J. Isabel Navarro (d. 20/Jan/1837, 62 years old )Is the son of Ignacio Navarro and Angela Gomez

Marcelina Cabrera Daughter of Leonardo Cabrera Grimaldo and Jacinta Gonzalez

Leonardo Cabrera Grimaldo (b.1845-d. 15/June /1905) is the son of Felipe Cabrera and Maria Grimaldo

Jacinta Gonzalez is the daughter of Epifanio Gonzalez and Maria Norberta de Jesus Romo

Ignacio Navarro is the son of Simon Navarro Gonzalez and Virginia (Higinia)Gutierrez De la Torre.

Angela Gomez is the daughter of Albino Gómez and Nazaria Martin

Epifanio González Romo is the son of Juan de Dios Gonzalez Jimenez and Maria Fulgencia Romo Jimenez

Maria Fulgencia Romo Jimenez is the daughter of Juan Romo and Maria Guadalupe Jimenez

Maria Norberta de Jesús Romo is the daughter of Pedro Romo and Simona Diaz Macias

Albino Gómez is the son of Jose Gomez and Maria Leonides Torres (married 20/Jan/1869)

Jose Gómez is the son of Marcelo Gómez Cornejo and Manuela Martin Padilla.

Maria Leonides Torres Is the daughter of J. Trinidad Torres and Maria Del Refugio López

Maria Nazaria Martin is the daughter of José María Martin and Vicenta Ascencio

Simona Díaz is the daughter of Dionicio Diaz and Maria de San Jose Macias.

Rick A. Ricci
Book: Mygenes2000

Published by R.A.Ricci – Sun, 2021-01-31 17:09 | Permalink

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Hello Carlos,

Your post is 2 and a half years old and I don’t know how far you have gone in your research. You are a distant cousin of mine. You repeatedly descend from the Hernández Gamino family. Here is some information on your family:

Sabino Hernández González (d.15/July/1947) is the son of J. Guadalupe Hernández-Gamino y Padilla and Sirila (Cirila) González y Valdivia. When he passes away he left his wife Guadalupe Hernández a widow. Sabino Hernández had been married first to Maria de Jesus Vivanco.

Maria Guadalupe Hernández (b, 12/Oct/1899)is the daughter of Jose Concepcion Hernández and Maria Dolores Lopez. She was also previously married as she was a widow of Juan Hernández Hernández when she married Sabino. Her first marriage was on 23/Feb/1922. Juan’s parents are Hilario Hernández and Maria Nieves Hernández.

Sabino and Maria Guadalupe were married on 25/Jun/1931 in Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico.
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

J. Concepcion Hernández(bap.12/Dec/1850) is the son of Felix Hernandez and Francisca Tejeda. (Felix and Francisca M. 12/July/1848)
Maria Dolores Lopez is the daughter of Juan Lopez and Ramona Alvarez. Juan and Ramona were married on 16/June/1858 in Arandas, Jalisco.

Ramona Alvarez is the daughter of Manuel Alvarez and Maria de la Trinidad Miranda.
Jose Manuel Alvarez married 12/May/1819 in Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico to Maria de la Trinidad Miranda
Jose Manuel Alvarez was a widower and his first wife is Maria Catarina Martin.
Jose Manuel M. is the son of Jose Urbano Alvarez and Maria Petra Gonzalez (married 15/June/1780)
Maria de la Trinidad is the daughter of Simon Miranda and Maria Ana Zavala

Marriage record Image 171

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FWDF-F?i=170&cc=1874591

Jose Urbano is the son of Felipe Alvarez and Maria Teresa Garcia

Felix (Feliz) Hernández is the son of Jose Luis Hernández-Gamino y Hernández and Maria Antonia Gordiana Barba.

Maria Antonia Gordiana Barba (bap 16/May/1790) is the daughter of. Rafael Barba and Maria Margarita de Los Angeles Moncayo Alvarez
Francisca Tejeda is the daughter of Juan Jose Tejeda and San Juana Hernández
Marriage record image 492

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FQ6X-H?i=491&cc=1874591

Rick A. Ricci

Published by mralvarez314 – Mon, 2018-06-25 10:57 | Permalink

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Carlos,

Since you're just getting started, try the following steps. Locate the civil birth and civil marriage records of your grandparents and great grandparents in the civil records for Arandas using ancestry.com, where they're searchable. Those records include San Ignacio Cerro Gordo and they may provide you with the names of your 2x great grandparents. At that point you can then begin to trace your lines further back by using the parish records for Arandas and Ayotlán (formerly Ayo el Chico).

Good luck.

Published by cherna – Mon, 2018-06-25 08:21 | Permalink

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I have read through searching on here that all or most of the Hernandez the Los Altos sur region stem from the Hernández Gamiño line. (Here:http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22428)

Can anyone here help me confirm or deny this, please? My great-grandfather is Sabino Hernandez-Gonzales born in Hacienda Guadalupe probably in the early 1900's. I don't know anything beyond him.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Hello Carlos,

You don’t provide much information to guide a search into your ancestors. Not all the Hernandez in Los Altos sur region descend from the Hernandez Gamino. The H and the F were interchangeable a couple of centuries ago so some of my Hernandez ancestors were more often known as Fernandez De Rueda which are not from the Hernandez Gamino family.

I would recommend that you gather as much information and records on your grandparents and great uncles and aunts as you can, and use this information to guide your next steps. It is important that you start with your own parents and their siblings records to see if they provide more information on your grandparents.

Good luck,
R.A.Ricci

Published by cherna – Mon, 2018-09-17 07:18 | Permalink

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Thank you for the response. For the time being I am trying to follow my Hernandez lineage as far as I can.

I will try to get some answers out of my remaining grandfather. I'll see if he remembers his grandparent's names, or anything else helpful.

For the time being, I know my great grandfather was Sabino Hernandez-Gonzales(z), born in Hacienda de Guadalupe (Municipality of Arandas) whom passed away around 86 years of age. He was married to Guadalupe Hernandez, born in Arandas whom passed away around 80 years of age. All according to my grandfather.

I was able to find a couple results on Ancestry.com for Sabino Hernandez-Gonzales(z), but cannot find a connection to my grandfather (his son).

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Your grandfather.’s parents and grandparents are most likely listed in his baptismal or birth records. Sometimes these records even have great-grandparents. If your grandfather was related to his wife then there may be more information in a marriage dispensation. Ask your grandfather for the names and dates of his siblings. If you can’t find your grandfather’s records then you should look for his sibling’s records.

You can also check out those death records as they often have additional information. You don’t provide any dates so it would be difficult for others to help you without additional information that will help identify your ancestors.

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I don't know about Arandas, but in the Colotlan area where my family is from they list grandparents on the Civil Registration marriage records from about 1860-1920. I would try and locate your great grandparents' marriage record. Usually, grandparents are also on the baptisms starting about 1800 and on the birth records.

ADULFA TADEA BRISEÑO

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This is for Linda Castanon-Long and Danny C. Alonso

I'm interested in the information on Adulfa Tadeo Briseño and Jose Antonio Garcia, but somehow I'm unable to access Linda's information on Rootsweb. Would you be so kind to share with me what you've found?

Thank you very much!
Hector

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Published by erlong – Thu, 2021-01-28 12:44 | Permalink

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Trunk...Juan Antonio Garcia
Ma. Gabriela Garcia......,
..Rafael Garcia ..siblings 1st
Luz Cabrera Garcia.......,..Ma. Estefana Garcia.....2nd
Ma. Justa Cabrera...........Maximiliano Garcia Cadena.....3rd
Js. Victor Gonzales groom...Margarita Garcia Cadena ..4th

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In error I had Juan Antonio listed ad Garcia de la Cadena
In fact is was Juan Antonio Garcia…
Juan Antonio had a son Rafael
Who had a daughter Estefana married to Juan Nepomuceno Garcia
They had a son who went by Maximiliano Garcia de la Cadena
His Father Juan Nepomuceno Garcia son of Pedro Jose Garcia de la Cadena.
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Thanks a lot! It might have been that I looked for Briseño, and not Briceño.

In any case, you've already clarified my doubts, because I couldn't find the connection between Juan Antonio García and the Garcia de la Cadena family. It happens to be down the line.

Thank you very much and best regards,
Hector

Published by rosa9972 – Sun, 2021-01-24 05:04 | Permalink

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I tried using Rootsweb to find Erlinda's tree, and for some reason, Ancestry (they own Rootsweb) did something to make it stop working. You may want to contact Erlinda directly to find out more.

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Hi Hector,

I think if you click on her name it gives you the option of sending her an email message. I've done it before with other members.

Danny

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I am happy to share whatever I have with you. I do not have an ancestry account but I use their software so members can see my data but not my resource records and I don't know why you have not
been able to see my complete files on Rootsweb.

my e-mail is

longsjourney@yahoo.com

Linda Castanon-Long

Not receiving e-mails of forum posts

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I have not received any e-mails of forum posts for quite a while. So, I went into my account settings, and all three forums are set to send me all messages. So, my account settings are correct.

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I believe there was an announcement that the e-mails would be discontinued since they were not working for everyone. Now you have to go to the website to read the messages.

Los Caro y Rentería

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Hola a todos:

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Published by ssales1984 – Mon, 2020-04-13 11:24 | Permalink

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Dear Enrique,

I have found the parents of Francisco Caro Galindo and I have solved the reason his daughter Magdalena used the last name "de la Cueva."

His parents are disclosed in Franciso's will, dated 5 Apr 1641 in Guadalajara Nueva Galicia. A fragment of it is quoted in Alonso Davalos Bracamonte's Application to be a Knight of Santiago. Their names are Hernan Caro Galindo and Mariana de la Cueva. I therefore now suspect that Mariana was related to the de la Cueva family in from Ubeda and Southern Spain. I quote the will as rendered in the Application:

"'En el nombre de Dios todoPoderoso amen sepan q.tos esta Carte de Testam.to vieren como Yo Fran.co Caro Galindo Vez.o de esta Ziud. de Guadalajara, Nuevo Rey.o de Galicia, y natural de la Villa de Carmona q oi es Ziu.d en Adalucia hijo lej{itimo de henan Caro Galindo, y de Da. Mariana de la Cueva mis. Pes.= al fo. 25 siguiente en al segunda partida, Dice = 'Soy casado Segunda Vez segun horden de la St.a Me. Yglesia con Da. Isavel de Castro y mesa, mi querida muger y esposa' = y a la buelta del dho. d.o ultima partida = ' Y durante el t.po del dho Matrimon.o con la dha. mi esposa y sra. tendemos dos hjos, la m.or Da. Madalena de la Cueva que tengo Casada con Dn. Diego de Vlibarri Guevara mi querido Yerno=' el qual testam.to se otorgo en la Ziud. de Guadalajara nuevo Rey.o de Galicia a cinco dias del mes de Abril de mill seiscientos y quarenta y un años ante henan Enrriquez del Casstillo Ss.no Publico de quien esta firmado y por el otorgante ya su ruego po no poder, un Test.o y dha Copia esta legaliziada en toda forma a f.o 26 Ba. i 27 de dho Instrumen.to="

I think this may give us further areas to research.

Greetings!

Sergio

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Enrique,

I found another generation back of the Caro Galindo line. I found the will of Fernan/Hernan Caro Galindo, father of Francisco Caro Galindo. It was also in the file for Alonso Davalos Bracamonte when he applied to become a Knight of Santiago. It is an important document because it gives the parents of Hernan, and therefore the grandparents of Francisco Caro Galindo. They are Francisco Caro Galindo and Leonor de Sanctaella. Her name may be archaeic, and actually now be spelled Santaella. Bu the will also lists their children, which in typical 16th century fashion do not all bear the name of the father, but had a last name chosen for them.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/1341108?nm
Image 289

ante Juan de Medina 20 May 1576 en Carmona:
" 'en el nombre de Dios amen. Sepan q.tos esta carta de testam.to e ultima voluntad vieren Como yo Fernan Caro Galindo hijo de fran.co caro Galindo y de Leonor de Sanctaella su lexitima muger mis padres e señores defuntos que Dios tiene vezino q. soi en esta mui noble e leal villa de Carmona en la Colacion del s.or Santiago= y a la quarta foxa Ba en la clausula de herederos dice así = e cumplido e pagado este dicho my testtam.to en lo fincable e rremanente que de los dhos mis vienes quedarse dejo e nombre por mis lexitimis e universales herederos a luis caro, a Juan de la Cueva, a leonor Caro, a Juan Caro, a franco Caro mis fixos e fixas lexitimos e fixos e fixas lexitimas de la dicha Marina de la Cueva mi muger a queales instituyo e dejo por mis lexitimos e universales herederos'"

In the pages immediately before this (page 283-285) a relative (quarto grado) of the family living in Carmona, who styled himself "principal de la familia" by the name of Jeronimo Caro Galindo, aged 70 in 1699, afirms that the Caro Galindo owned a chapel in the church of San Blad. He also says that Francisco "tiendo otros hermanos y siendo entre ellos el de menor edad se paso el Nuevo Rey.o de Mejico en donde se caso con Isabel de Catro y Mesa" and also goes on to say that he was "poseedor de la Capilla que esta en la Parroquial de San Blas con armas y entierros y que en la misma forma la tiene la familia de la Cueva en la Parroquial de Santiago." it looks like the church of San Bals in Carmona still stands:
https://sevillapedia.wikanda.es/wiki/Iglesia_de_San_Blas_(Carmona)

As far as the family shield the witnesses say it was situated "al lado del evangelio un escudo de arma dividido en quatro quarterones el primero en campo de plata con una cruz orleada con ocho calderos. Y en el segundo con ojas de higuera en campo de oro y en los dos siguientes un brazo con una espada y tres bandas en Campo negro."
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/1341108?nm image 289

Love what we can find in the old documents!

Sergio

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Hi Sergio,

Thanks for sharing this with the group. This is a big find! I descend from Dávalos Bracamonte twice, namely the first Count of Miravalle and his brother Diego Dávalos Bracamonte. Their great grandchildren Cor. Antonio Dávalos Bracamonte, Señor de las villas de Melezna, Cadasresnas, Ornija y Viariz would marry his second cousin Josefa Marín del Valle y Dávalos Bracamonte.

A few questions: why would there be two children with identical first names, but distinct surnames. Juan de la Cueva and Juan Caro Galindo. This proves that the de la Cueva surname carried some type of importance in this family, for a male who is Caro Galindo to prefer his maternal name. Was he a namesake? I too suspect, it is the same de la Cueva family in Andalucía. These branches seem to have intermarried in Nueva Galicia.

A descendant of Francisco Caro Galindo and Isabel de Castro y Mesa, was Nicolasa de Camberos y Tolosa who married Agustín de la Cueva ca. 1680 and suspect these two are related through said family line. I have not located the dispensa yet, but would be interesting to see if they connect in Spain or in Mexico.

Three other individuals that unavoidably come to find: How do all these lines connect in Ubeda?

My 8th great grandfather Pedro de la Cueva y Carvajal, owner of the vast Los Acahuales latifundio, who was the son of Lic. Pedro de la Cueva y Mendoza, Secretario de Gobierno and Leonor de Carvajal y Ojeda. According to his grandson el Lic. Diego de la Mota y Carvajal, Cura Beneficiado de Ixtlán (Michoacán) aspiración a órdenes it mentions the de la Cueva are from Ubeda en los Reinos de Castilla, familia principal y noble de aquella ciudad, hijosdalgo, limpios de sangre, cristianos viejos, etc.

The conquistadores and brothers: Capt. Juan de la Cueva who married Catalina de la Torre y Colio in Guadalajara and the other Francisco de la Cueva.

In regards to Jerónimo Caro Galindo, the third cousin, the word "principal" can easily be synonymous to Mayorazgo or head of the house who holds the primogeniture. It would be worthwhile to research the Carmona records to see if we can locate anything in regards to this vínculo, if it exists. If so, we should be able to trace this mayorazgo, again, if it existed.

Best regards,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

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I have found a Marriage church record in Magdalena Jalisco of Diego Caro Galindo son of Fernando Caro Galindo and Angela de Renteria dated March 1st 1699 He married Mariana Melendez viuda de Garcia Monrroy, there are also records of Joseph and Antonio Caro Galindo about the same year.

Thank you

SIERRA DE PINOS Y LA SANTA INQUISICION: Gines de Carrion, Domingo Diaz, Doña Francisca de Temiño

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Hola prim@s,

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Manny,

this is great information. i descend from Gines de Carrion y Mata. does it give anymore of his ancestry. or how he descends from Pedro de Mata? is it through his paternal or maternal side.

Also is this Juana Martel, the wife of the Portuguese, Miguel de Sierra, that abandoned his wife Juana to live with his previous wife who he had told everyone was dead?

Francisca Temino is also an ancestor of mine. Both of them, there's one married to Gines de Carrion y Mata and one married to Juan Ramírez de la Campaña, they may actually be the same person but i have them born about 15 years apart. although both are listed as relatives of Angela Velasco.

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Hi Danny,

I’m sorry, those are the only clues Gines de Carrion gives, in regards to his pedigree, and I don’t know who his nor his wife’s parents are. Nor do I know who Juana Martel aka Maria Martel is, other than the woman identified in this letter. Nor do I know who Miguel de Sierra is, I haven’t seen that name in early Pinos. Was he married to a Juana Martel? That would be cool if he was.

I like how Carrion even points out that Domingo Diaz was padrino for one of his own children, and how you can check the baptism book, to see! It’s right there, 6 Oct 1620! The child’s name was even Domingo! The audacity!

My new favorite expression: “poner una mascara a los ojos de las gentes”: pulling the wool over people’s eyes!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Thanks for your in-depth research, it is very interesting and disturbing especially when its your relatives. I went searching for Pedro de Mata and only came up with the following which is a very dark history of the Inquisition.

The following was a sentence, I thought was connected to the archived article, but I did not find this at all though Cardona's name was mentioned in the Italian section.

"...to Don Pero Mata requests him to let Cardona continue in occupation of ..."

https://archive.org/details/theinquisition00leauoft

On page 33, First paragraph, 3 sentence is an interesting read. as p118 (bigamy, Solicitation), p184 - solicitation (1561), p244, p250 from 1625-1640.

"Everyone has a good ancestor, if you can go back far enough" This was a quote I read a very long time ago."

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Manny,

yeah Juana Martel married the Portuguese, Miguel de Sierra on October 24, 1613 in Aguascalientes. she was the daughter of Hernando Gallegos/Martel and Maria de Frias. Miguel de Sierra married her claiming to be a widower, but eventually left Juana Martel and returned back to Portugal to be with his original wife that wasn't actually dead.

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Hola Danny:

La familia Ramírez se ha caracterizado porque los hombres son polígamos y cambian sus nombres al momento de registrar a los hijos. No es caso aislado, me tocó que algunos tíos todavía lo hacían y decían necesitar varias familias para que les ayudaran a trabajar diferentes negocios. Ese Juan Ramírez "de la Campaña" puede ser el nombre real ya que todos los hijos de los Ramírez de Coy se llaman Juan y la hija mayor Juana.

Otra costumbre de los Ramírez de Coy es casarse entre primos hermanos, todavía me tocó conocer esos casos, era para concentrar las propiedades que en éste caso no eran haciendas ganaderas como en otras familias sino redes de comercio y minas de plata, la última se vendió en el año 2003.

Las personas de ésta historia parecen estar relacionadas "con las minas de Comanja" si esas minas eran de plata puede ser otro punto de coincidencia. Ésta poligamia, éste cambio de nombres no fueron casos aislados sino una forma de vida.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hi Manny,

I found a document regarding a Pedro de Mata. I'm not sure if it's the same as the (Alcaide que fue del Castillo de Triana), great grandfather of Gines de Carrion that's married to Francisca de Temino. The Pedro de Mata I came across mentions him as a marinero, capitan and maestre. Even if he's not the same, he clearly must be related. This Pedro de Mata is listed as dying in 1562 in Cartagena and as the son of Gines de Carrion and Leonor de Mata:

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/72018779.pdf

Danny

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Hi Danny,

I found Capitan Pedro de Mata’s testamento at PARES/AGIS, dated 1562. As you mentioned, he died while captaining his ship in Cartagena, Columbia, and he was the son of Gines de Carrion and Leonor de Mata, residents of Barrio de Triana in Sevilla. This Gines de Carrion is probably the same who was a ship’s captain who sailed to Indies in the 1520s, and who later owned various ships that made transatlantic trips, in particular, carrying gold from Peru back to Spain. I think it’s possible that Leonor de Mata was the daughter of Alcaide Pedro de Mata, which would explain why her son was named Pedro de Mata. If I’m right, then Gines de Carrion and Leonor de Mata could be the grandparents of Gines de Carrion, who settled in San Luis Potosi and later in Sierra de Pinos; Capitan Pedro de Mata would’ve been his uncle.
If so, then the younger Gines de Carrion would’ve been the black sheep of the family, seeing how they had such a nautical background, yet he chose to live so far away from the ocean!

Great find! Hope you’re well, Danny!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Manny,

I found a few mentions of Gines de Carrion. There's a mention in 1546 of a Gines de Carrion purchasing a vihuela at an auction who they say is most likely el Mozo who they describe as the nephew of Gines de Carrion el Viejo. Both are described in the few available sources as comitres and capitanes. I found it interesting that Gines de Carrion, el Mozo, was the nephew and not the son. I also found this mention of Gines de Carrion, el Viejo: Ginés de Carrión, cómitre, marido primero de Leonor López, hija de Juan García y de Juana López, que le llevó de dote 45.000 mrs., dada por la abuela, Leonor López, viuda de Alonso López ( A . P . S . , III 1517 [ = 1517 ], al 23 de enero ), y después de Leonor de Mata, que le aportó una dote de 600.000 mrs. ( Triana ). Hizo testamento el 1 de julio de 1531...

All of your work is amazing Manny. I always look forward to seeing your posts. I hope you continue sharing your amazing finds here.

Danny

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Danny & Manny
I have found that the Gines Carrion (born in 1561) who married Francisca de Tremiño was the son of another Gines Carrion born in 1520 who married Leonor de Mata (born in 1519).
Leonor was the daughter of Pedro de Mata who lived in Triana besides the Castillo de San Jorge and died in 1562. I don’t know if this is the one who was Alguacil Mayor de la Santa Inquisicion but he is not the great-grandfather of Gines Carrion Mata but just his grandfather and Mata is simply his Mother’s family name.
Saludos
Jorge

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Jorge,

Thank you very much. The time lines you give can be reconciled with what I’ve found in San Luis Potosi and Sierra de Pinos. And it’s always possible that Pedro de Mata - maternal grandfather of Gines de Carrion - was the son of Alcaide Pedro de Mata, mentioned by Gines de Carrion in his letter. What are your sources?

Danny,

According to the baptism record, dated 15 Dec 1615 in Pinos, of Diego, hijo de Gines de Carrion y de doña Francisca de Temiño, his padrinos were Rodrigo Heredia and doña Angela de Velasco, “tía del dicho Diego.” On 20 Nov 1616, in Aguascalientes, baptized was Rodrigo, hijo de Juana Medina; his padrinos were “doña Angela de Velasco y su primo, Rodrigo de Heredia.”

From the time line and the locations, doña Angela de Velasco is likely the same who was daughter of Juan Ramirez de la Campaña and doña Francisca Temiño de Velasco, and who was married to Geronimo de Orozco. If so, that she was the “aunt” of Diego Carrion, would imply that she was the sister of the child’s mother, doña Francisca de Temiño, who would therefore be the daughter of Juan Ramirez de la Campaña and the elder doña Francisca Temiño de Velasco. Again, the time lines and locations work. But then, the word “tía” was also used for elderly cousins!

Thanks, and I hope you are all well!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Manny,
My sources are the available data from different Internet sites and then I try to match the most logical information.
I start with my account in MyHeritage with Record Matches and Smart Matches, doing Search for the person then I go to FamilySearch for eventual civil registrations. Then I go to other genealogical sites like WikiTree, Geneanet or simply by Wikipedia. If the names and time lines are the same I assume that is the information is right.
Sometimes I use an old set of books called “Mexico a través de los siglos”.
Of course I consult also the Recent Posts of “Nuestros Ranchos”. Rick brings a lot of information and corrections.
I’m particularly interested in my ancestors from Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
Good search for 2021.
Jorge

Adolfa Tadea Briceño and Juan Antonio Garcia (Jerez, Zac.)

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

i'm hoping someone has information on this couple Adolfa Tadea Briceño and
Juan Antonio Garcia from Jerez, Zacatecas; i think they were born about
1740 probly in Jerez

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Published by longsjourney – Tue, 2017-05-16 10:24 | Permalink

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this link will take you to what I have on this family. If you click on a name it will give you whatever information I have on that person. I am not related but someone from this line married into my family in the district of Jerez, Zac. My records are on Rootsweb and my file is called Mexico. I hope this helps. I do not have a marriage or baptism records for Juan Antonio or Adulfa Tadea.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=mexico&id=I12…

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Thank you Linda. This is the first time I've seen the name Garcia de la Cadena. I just had him as Juan Antonio Garcia. this is a good clue to finding his ancestors. Thnk you

Danny C. Alonso

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Hello Danny,

I'm interested in the information on Adulfa Tadeo Briseño and Jose Antonio Garcia, but somehow I'm unable to access Linda's information on Rootsweb. Would you be so kind to share with me what you've found?

Thank you very much!
Hector

Hermosa o Hermosillo

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Buenos días a todos.

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Published by Erik Andrés Re… – Mon, 2021-01-18 04:51 | Permalink

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1) Donde dice "pone entredicho" debe decir "pone en entredicho"
2) Donde dice "patronímico de Fermoselle" debe decir "toponímico de Fermoselle".

Laurie Machin’s Zermeño ancestry

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Ana Petra Zermeño is the daughter of Juan Zermeño and Maria Bernarda

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Published by Laurie Machen – Sun, 2021-01-10 09:16 | Permalink

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Hi Rick A. Ricci,
I want to thank you so much for this information. I can't read Spanish but I have friends that can. So I will make copies of these documents. But what I see is she is my 3rd Great Grandmother. I can't thank you enough. Thank for taking the time to help me. Are you related to the Zermrno or Valderamma family?
Laurie Machen

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Hi Laurie,
I believe that I am related to you through Ana Petra Zermeño Estrada’s mother, but I still need to gather more information to tell you the exact degree of relationship. I believe that I have Ana Petra Zermeño’s mother’s baptismal record.

Here is your Mena line:

1.)- Francisco Mena and Ana María Ponce
2.)- Jose Antonio Mena married 10/Apr/1736 Juana Bautista Moreno Galvan
3.)- Juan Calletano de Mena (bap. 14/March/1741) and Maria Josefa Antonia Petra Alcorcha
4.)- Jose Antonio Mena married Maria Eulogia Samora
5.)- José Apolinario Mena bap. 2/Aug/1821 married Hilaria Gómez
6.)- Fermin Mena 1853-1904 married 28/Feb/1876 Maria Dionicia Gómez
7.)- Jose Jesus Mena married 9/Jan1904 Juan Lopez Arrieta
8.)- Jose Sixto Mena 1905-1962 married San Juana “Juanita” Valderrama
9.)- Mary Mena 1940-2003 married Donald Frederick Bickel
10.)- Laurie Bickel

Maria Josefa Antonia Petra Alcorcha is the daughter of Santiago Alcorcha and Ana María Reynoso.

Maria Eulogia Samora is the daughter of Jose de la Luz Samora (Zamores )and Maria Ynes Delgado .

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion

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I am researching my 8th GG-father Juan Castaneda born 10/12/1686 in Pinos, Zac. He married Juana Carabajal on 4/5/1707 at Pinos. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-WNC

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Published by Jorge – Mon, 2021-01-11 10:32 | Permalink

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I have found that Thomasa’s records show her as "Tomassa de Carrion", daughter of Antonio de Carrion (1645-?) and Francisca Beatriz Rodriguez (1648-1700).
Antonio de Castañeda León y Vargas (1660-1743) was son of Nicolás de Castañeda León y Ruelas Sotomayor (1620-1689) and Ana Maria de Vargas de Cardona (1636-1722).
Jorge

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In my tree I have Pedro de Vargas Castañeda (b. 1660) m. Francisca Lopez Mercado He lived in Teul and while I haven't yet found proof, I'm fairly sure he's connected to Nicolas and Ana because of the compound surname.

Pedro has a brother Joseph de Vargas Castaneda m. Francisca Vela Castro. Their daughter Micaela - who married the brother of Francisca Lopez Mercado - was identified as "Micaela de Vargas Castaneda Machuca" on the baptism record of her daughter.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2G6D-C?cc=1874591&wc=3J6H-…

- Andrea

Published by casavolver – Sun, 2013-04-07 17:41 | Permalink

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Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill, Jaime, Daniel,Jorge and everybody researching this family,

As I read the recent posting I am in awe of the work you all perform as expert genealogist! I have so much to learn but am so grateful to have found Nuestros Ranchos!

Thank you all for this gift!
Carolyn

Published by Bill Figueroa – Wed, 2013-03-27 07:15 | Permalink

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Carolyn,

The marriage information ("Informacion Matrimonial") for Juan de Castañeda and Juana de Carbajal was registered in Aguascalientes on 12 March 1707, and the license to marry was granted two weeks later on March 28th also in Aguascalientes. The link to see this document is

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11044-17161-7?cc=1502404&w…

Juan de Castañeda and Juana de Carbajal were married on 5 April 1707 at the church of San Matias in Sierra de Pinos, Zac. (within the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes). Notice that the parents of Juan de Castañeda are identified as Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa de Carrion, and those of Juana de Carbajal as Juan de Carbajal (difunto) and Catharina de Sanabia. This last surname seems to be misspelled and could be either Sanabria or Sarabia. Notice that Juan de Castañeda is said to be "Natural y Vecino del Puesto nombrado La Noria" (in Sierra de Pinos) and Juana de Carbajal "Natural y Vecina de Guadalajara". Juana de Carbajal was living at the Real de Sierra de Pinos when the marriage license was granted. Just another piece of the puzzle.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: casavolver@lpbroadband.net
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion

I am researching my 8th GG-father Juan Castaneda born 10/12/1686 in Pinos, Zac. He married Juana Carabajal on 4/5/1707 at Pinos.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-WNC

I am stuck on his parents Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa de Carrion.

I have Juana born 7/30/1690 at Guadalajara and parents as Juan Carabajal and Catharina Sanama or Sanabria.

Any help would be appreciated.
Carolyn

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Bill and Carolyn,
On familysearch, one of the submited genealogies, someone referred Antonio de Castañeda as Antonio de Castañeda y Vargas, this might be a possible reference in a baptismal record for one of their children. We should research this, if this be the case I have already found a possible link as to parents for Antonio: Nicolás de Castañeda who married Antonia de Vargas Machuca who also had Apolonia de Castañeda. This last daughter married Capt. Sebastián Flores de Robles ca. 1693.
It will be interesting to further research the Castañeda and Carrión families, there are many missing links in the genealogy.
I hope this helps somehow.
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Good job, Don Daniel,

Hasta pronto,

Pablo Juan Gómez de Lizarraga Martínez-Peña

Paul J Gomez
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On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino wrote:

> Bill and Carolyn,
> On familysearch, one of the submited genealogies, someone referred Antonio de Castañeda as Antonio de Castañeda y Vargas, this might be a possible reference in a baptismal record for one of their children. We should research this, if this be the case I have already found a possible link as to parents for Antonio: Nicolás de Castañeda who married Antonia de Vargas Machuca who also had Apolonia de Castañeda. This last daughter married Capt. Sebastián Flores de Robles ca. 1693.
> It will be interesting to further research the Castañeda and Carrión families, there are many missing links in the genealogy.
> I hope this helps somehow.
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Carolyn Gomez Duran

Bill and Daniel,
Yesterday I looked up Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion's eight children's baptisms. I found no records of grandparent's names or the name Vargas as a godparent.
Sadd to report this!
Carolyn

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Carolyn and Daniel,

This past week I did extensive research on the Castañeda family trying to find the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, but was unable to pinpoint them. One of the first records I checked was the marriage of Miguel de Castañeda to María López, which is also one of the oldest records of a Castañeda living in Sierra de Pinos (within the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes at that time). Their marriage record reads as follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52070-13?cc=1502404&…

Al margen: "Miguel de Castañeda y María López, españoles"

"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel de Castañeda, hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Juan de Quenca y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"

Miguel de Castañeda and María López had a son named Diego who wed María Ruiz de Esparza 11 Aug 1681 in Aguascalientes; when María died Diego married Mariana de Mendoza y Villalobos circa 31 Dec 1701, also in Aguascalientes.

Other records from the same period clearly indicate that the parents of Miguel de Castañeda were Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor. The testament of Josepha de Castañeda, for example, filed in Aguascalientes in 1710 reads "...Sepan quantos este testamento y ultima voluntad vieren como yo Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa de Nra. Señora de la Asunpcion de Aguas Calientes e hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y de Jasinta de Sotomaior dho. mi padre natural de la ciudad de Mexico y mi madre del pueblo de Thequaltichi (Teocaltiche) e como estoy sana y buena y deseando salvar mi alma temiendo de la muerte para quando Dios sea servido de que llegue por ser cosa natural a toda criatura....etc. etc." . Four years later in 1714, she followed up with her final will and testament which confirms the preceeding one. It reads "....Sea notorio a los que la presente carta vieren de mi testamento y ultima voluntad como yo, Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y Jasinta de Sotomaior vecinos y naturales del real y minas de S. Mathias de Sierra de Pinos de donde yo lo soy...etc. etc."

Based on these and other documents I have identified the following children of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor: 1) Miguel, 2) Jacinta, 3) Nicolasa, 4) Josepha, 5) Theresa and 6) Gabriel. Unfortunately, I was unable to identify the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, although I believe he was closely related.

Apolonia de Castañeda, who married 1) Alonso de Guzman y Prado and 2) Sebastián Flores de Robles, was a daughter of Nicolás de Castañeda and Anna de Vargas (Machuca). I believe Nicolás was Pedro's brother, but have not found the proper documentation. Notwithstanding, Josepha de Castañeda instructed the executors of her will to use some of the proceedings from the sale of her property to establish a Capellanía to assist HER NEPHEW Francisco Lino de Guzman to be ordained priest of the Catholic Church. Francisco Lino de Guzmán was the son of Alonso de Guzmán and Apolonia de Castañeda.

I am still trying to fill-in some of the gaps in the Castañeda Sotomayor family tree. However, I do believe that Antonio de Castañeda was related to Apolonia de Castañeda and thus to Anna de Vargas Machuca (it is Anna, Daniel, not Antonia). We need to find out how. Antonio fits the timeline and could be a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda.

I believe Pedro de Castañeda, who was born in México City, was the first Castañeda to arrive in Sierra de Pinos and Aguascalientes, probably after marrying Jacinta de Sotomayor in Teocaltiche.

Carolyn, could you let me know which eight children you found for Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa Carrión, and their baptismal dates? I have Juan, María, María Nicolasa, Francisca and Polonia.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Carolyn Gomez Duran

Bill and Daniel,
Yesterday I looked up Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion's eight children's baptisms. I found no records of grandparent's names or the name Vargas as a godparent.
Sad to report this!
Carolyn

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Carolyn and Daniel,

When checking the marriage record of Andrés Martínez de Sotomayor with Ana de Castañeda, I discovered an interesting fact that seems to confirm my suspicions that Antonio de Castañeda was the son of Nicolás de Castañeda and Anna de Vargas Machuca, and therefore brother of Apolonia de Castañeda. The link is as follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-27952-17?cc=1804458&wc…

Notice that Ana de Castañeda, daughter of Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa de Carrión, is identified as Ana de Castañeda y Vargas. That pretty much tells me that she was named after her maternal grandmother Anna de Vargas Machuca, and that she sometimes used the surname Vargas. Here is a complete transcription of this record:

Al margen: "Noria / Andres Martinez con Ana de Castañeda"

"En el Real y Minas de San Mathias Sierra
de Pinos en diez de febrero de mill setecientos y veinte y dos
años haviendo precedido las tres amonestaciones que
dispone el Santo Concilio de Trento en tres dias festivos
Intter Misarum Solemnia y no haviendo de todo re-
sultado impedimento alguno Canónico como todo consta
de los Autos que pasan en este Archivo Eclesiástico que me
remitto el R. P. Fr. Joseph de Mesa, Cura Maestro de
Doctrina de los Indios de dho Real, con mi lisencia
casó por palabras de presente y veló Infacie Ecclesiae a
Antonio Martinez de Sotomaior, Español, originario de los Taco-
tes y vecino de esta Jurisdision, hixo lexitimo de Domingo Marti-
nez de Sotomaior y de Da. Theresa de Guerra, españoles difun-
tos, con Ana de Castañeda y Vargas, española originaria y resi-
dente en esta Jurisdición en el puesto nombrado La Noria, hi-
xa legitima de Antonio de Castañeda y de Thomasa de
Carrion, españoles, fueron testigos a dicha selebrasion
y Velasion los Capitanes Fermin de Sasiayn? y Esteban Mu-
ñoz y otras muchas personas y para que conste lo firmé
D. Cosme Borruel"

There are probably other church records from San Matías de Sierra de Pinos that we can check. Let me know what you think.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion

Carolyn and Daniel,

This past week I did extensive research on the Castañeda family trying to find the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, but was unable to pinpoint them. One of the first records I checked was the marriage of Miguel de Castañeda to María López, which is also one of the oldest records of a Castañeda living in Sierra de Pinos (within the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes at that time). Their marriage record reads as follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52070-13?cc=1502404&…

Al margen: "Miguel de Castañeda y María López, españoles"

"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel de Castañeda, hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Juan de Quenca y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"

Miguel de Castañeda and María López had a son named Diego who wed María Ruiz de Esparza 11 Aug 1681 in Aguascalientes; when María died Diego married Mariana de Mendoza y Villalobos circa 31 Dec 1701, also in Aguascalientes.

Other records from the same period clearly indicate that the parents of Miguel de Castañeda were Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor. The testament of Josepha de Castañeda, for example, filed in Aguascalientes in 1710 reads "...Sepan quantos este testamento y ultima voluntad vieren como yo Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa de Nra. Señora de la Asunpcion de Aguas Calientes e hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y de Jasinta de Sotomaior dho. mi padre natural de la ciudad de Mexico y mi madre del pueblo de Thequaltichi (Teocaltiche) e como estoy sana y buena y deseando salvar mi alma temiendo de la muerte para quando Dios sea servido de que llegue por ser cosa natural a toda criatura....etc. etc." . Four years later in 1714, she followed up with her final will and testament which confirms the preceeding one. It reads "....Sea notorio a los que la presente carta vieren de mi testamento y ultima voluntad como yo, Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y Jasinta de Sotomaior vecinos y naturales del real y minas de S. Mathias de Sierra de Pinos de donde yo lo soy...etc. etc."

Based on these and other documents I have identified the following children of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor: 1) Miguel, 2) Jacinta, 3) Nicolasa, 4) Josepha, 5) Theresa and 6) Gabriel. Unfortunately, I was unable to identify the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, although I believe he was closely related.

Apolonia de Castañeda, who married 1) Alonso de Guzman y Prado and 2) Sebastián Flores de Robles, was a daughter of Nicolás de Castañeda and Anna de Vargas (Machuca). I believe Nicolás was Pedro's brother, but have not found the proper documentation. Notwithstanding, Josepha de Castañeda instructed the executors of her will to use some of the proceedings from the sale of her property to establish a Capellanía to assist HER NEPHEW Francisco Lino de Guzman to be ordained priest of the Catholic Church. Francisco Lino de Guzmán was the son of Alonso de Guzmán and Apolonia de Castañeda.

I am still trying to fill-in some of the gaps in the Castañeda Sotomayor family tree. However, I do believe that Antonio de Castañeda was related to Apolonia de Castañeda and thus to Anna de Vargas Machuca (it is Anna, Daniel, not Antonia). We need to find out how. Antonio fits the timeline and could be a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda.

I believe Pedro de Castañeda, who was born in México City, was the first Castañeda to arrive in Sierra de Pinos and Aguascalientes, probably after marrying Jacinta de Sotomayor in Teocaltiche.

Carolyn, could you let me know which eight children you found for Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa Carrión, and their baptismal dates? I have Juan, María, María Nicolasa, Francisca and Polonia.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: casavolver@lpbroadband.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion

Carolyn Gomez Duran

Bill and Daniel,
Yesterday I looked up Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion's eight children's baptisms. I found no records of grandparent's names or the name Vargas as a godparent.
Sad to report this!
Carolyn

Comment

Carolyn Gomez Duran
The children I have identified for Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion are the following:
Gregorio Joseph Castaneda born July 5, 1684 Baptism source number 1095293, image 27 Padrinoas Antonio de Carrion and Dona Maria de Ascension Oropessa, his wife.

Juan Castaneda born Oct. 12, 1686 Baptism source number 1095293, image 49 Padrino Estaban Munos in the presence of Miguel Castaneda and Antonia de Castaneda.

Maria Nicolasa Castaneda born Oct., 01, 1688 Baptism source number 1095293, image 64
Padrinos Alonzo de Guzman and Polonia de Castaneda! :-)

Francisca Castaneda born July 31, 1693 Baptism source number 1095293, image 103 Padrinos Antonio de Aguilar and Mariana Dias de la Puente, his wife. They lived at Rancho de Castaneda Sabala.

Ana Castaneda de Vargas born Dec., 10, 1695 Baptism source number 1095293, image 130
Padrino Antonio de Carrion.

Geronima Castaneda born Nov., 05, 1698 Baptism source number 1095293, image 172 Padrino Juan Munos

Polonia Castaneda born July 14, 1701 Baptism source number 1095293, image 203 Padrinos Antonio de Carrion and Dona Gertrudi Marin de Penalosa at Rancho de Castaneda.

Juan Antonio Castaneda born July 17, 1704 Baptism source number 1095294, image 136 Padrinos Antonio Serrano and Teresa Nieto at Rancho de Castaneda.

I also have Nicolas Cstaneda, no birth date, married to Maria Gomes.

By George, I mean by Bill I think you've got it!!
Carolina

Comment

Thank you, Carolyn. I'm pretty sure we're on the right track. Another piece of the puzzle is in the baptismal record of María Nicolasa de Castañeda, which identifies her padrinos as Alonzo Guzmán and Polonia de Castañeda. I believe this is the same María who married Martín Ruiz de Esparza in 1704, right? Here is the link to that marriage:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29445-25?cc=1804458&wc…

Rgds,

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: casavolver@lpbroadband.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio Castaneda Children

Carolyn Gomez Duran
The children I have identified for Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion are the following:
Gregorio Joseph Castaneda born July 5, 1684 Baptism source number 1095293, image 27 Padrinoas Antonio de Carrion and Dona Maria de Ascension Oropessa, his wife.

Juan Castaneda born Oct. 12, 1686 Baptism source number 1095293, image 49 Padrino Estaban Munos in the presence of Miguel Castaneda and Antonia de Castaneda.

Maria Nicolasa Castaneda born Oct., 01, 1688 Baptism source number 1095293, image 64
Padrinos Alonzo de Guzman and Polonia de Castaneda! :-)

Francisca Castaneda born July 31, 1693 Baptism source number 1095293, image 103 Padrinos Antonio de Aguilar and Mariana Dias de la Puente, his wife. They lived at Rancho de Castaneda Sabala.

Ana Castaneda de Vargas born Dec., 10, 1695 Baptism source number 1095293, image 130
Padrino Antonio de Carrion.

Geronima Castaneda born Nov., 05, 1698 Baptism source number 1095293, image 172 Padrino Juan Munos

Polonia Castaneda born July 14, 1701 Baptism source number 1095293, image 203 Padrinos Antonio de Carrion and Dona Gertrudi Marin de Penalosa at Rancho de Castaneda.

Juan Antonio Castaneda born July 17, 1704 Baptism source number 1095294, image 136 Padrinos Antonio Serrano and Teresa Nieto at Rancho de Castaneda.

I also have Nicolas Cstaneda, no birth date, married to Maria Gomes.

By George, I mean by Bill I think you've got it!!
Carolina

Comment

Carolyn Gomez Duran

Bill,
I too have Maria Nicolasa Castaneda marrried to Martin Ruis de Esparzan May 5, 1704. Marriage source 1096163/32 Padrinos Capitan Esteban Munos and Thomas Nieto
Widow of Dona Gerturdis Calbillo
Nicolasa was from the pueblo of San Joseph and Martin was from Aguascalientes del pueblo de Santiago de Xalya..
Carolyn

Comment

Dear Bill, Carolyn and others
Another document belonging to a child of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta Sotomayor is the marriage document of Gabriel de Castañeda and Maria Rebollo (San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, 29 enero 1653, Image 110). Maria Rebollo was the widow of Juan Valades and legitimate daughter of Domingo Rebollo and Maria Lopez from Aguascalientes.

Saludos

Jaime

Comment

Hello, Jaime. Thank you for the wedding info. of Gabriel de Castañeda with María Rebollo. I was unable to find the source record at San Matias, Pinos, Zac. Could you please send me the link? María's parents Domingo Rebollo and Mari López wed 9 Oct 1625 in Aguascalientes. The link is as follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51024-27?cc=1502404&…

Saludos,

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Nicolasa Castaneda

Dear Bill, Carolyn and others
Another document belonging to a child of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta Sotomayor is the marriage document of Gabriel de Castañeda and Maria Rebollo (San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, 29 enero 1653, Image 110). Maria Rebollo was the widow of Juan Valades and legitimate daughter of Domingo Rebollo and Maria Lopez from Aguascalientes.

Saludos

Jaime

Comment

Jaime,

You're not going to believe this! The link to Gabriel de Castañeda's Información Matrimonial that you sent me last Friday solves another mystery that had me wondering for several days. It turns out that Gabriel's marriage record in Aguascalientes is none other than the one erroneously attributed to Miguel de Castañeda. There is no Miguel de Castañeda. Gabriel and Miguel sound similar, so the good padre (or his scribe) wrote the wrong name in the record book. Here is an excerpt of the marriage information provided by Gabriel de Castañeda in Sierra de Pinos:

"En 29 dias de henero de 1653 años"

"Grabiel de Castañeda, vesino y natural del Real y Minas de Sierra de Pinos,
hijo legitimo de Pedro de Castañeda, ya difunto, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor,
paresco ante Vuestra Merced en la mejor bia y forma que aya lugar y digo que
yo tengo tratado contraer matrimonio por letras de presente en
la Villa de Aguas Calientes con Maria Rebollo, biuda mujer que fue
de Juan Balades, natural de la Jurisdicion de tequaltiche, hija de Do-
mingo de Rebollo y de Maria Lopez su mujer, y para poderlo aser ne-
cesito dar ynformasion de libre, soltero y sin impedimento."

"Por todo lo qual a Vuestra Merced pido y suplico se me resiba dicha in-
formacion que ofresco, y dada mande sea amonestado en tres dias festi-
bos y no resultando ympedimento alguno se me de lisensia en forma para
que el matrimonio se selebre en dicha Villa de Aguascalientes que siendo-
lo asi cumplira Vuestra Merced con su obligacion y a mi me ara bien y merced,
con justicia que pido y en lo necesario esta"

[f] "Graviel de Castañeda"

AUTO

Abiendo bisto esta peticion presentada por Graviel
de Castañeda ante el Sr. Bachiller Juan de Quixas Escalante dijo
que mandava y mando se le resibiera la ynformacion que ofrese,
q' dada probera lo que conbenga, asi lo probeyó y mandó y firmó

[f] Br. Juan de Quixas y Escalante Ante mi
[f] Juan Diaz Otero? (firma ilegible)
Notario ?

Following the testimony of three witnesses Joseph de Quixas Escalante, Juan Diaz de León (el mozo) and Xinés de Carrión, the priest granted him the license to marry María Rebollo López in Aguascalientes. Three days later Gabriel and María were married at Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes. Notice that Maria, a native of Teocaltiche, was a resident of Aguascalientes. She was the widow of Juan Macías Valadez, buried in Aguascalientes 18 Dec 1652. A revised transcription of Gabriel and María's wedding follows:

Al margen: "Miguel (should read Gabriel) de Castañeda y María López, españoles".

"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel (should read Gabriel) de Castañeda), hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Juan de Quixas y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"

This is just another example of the type of errors sometimes found in church records. However, in all fairness to the Church, it doesn't happen often. I had suspected this because of the previous marriage of María Rebollo López to Juan Macías Valadez, but fortunately the mystery has been solved. The children of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor are Jacinta, Nicolasa, Josepha, Teresa, Gabriel and Nicolás. Let me know if you have any questions.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Nicolasa Castaneda

Bill,
Here is the link to Garbriel's Castaneda document: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-22889-22?cc=1804458&wc…
Also, thanks for the information about the parents of the bride.

Jaime

Comment

Bill, Jaime, Carolyn, Daniel, and everybody researching this family,

I have been reading all these posting and I am excited to be able to add some information.

If I understood correctly, Antonio de Castañeda y Vargas is in fact the son of Nicolás de Castañeda y Ana de Vargas Muriano, correct? Based on my research, I had not been able to find his parents, but I had been able to find the following information on his siblings:

1.Antonio de Castaneda Y Vargas m. Thomasa Carrion
-Gregorio Joseph Castaneda Carrion
-Juan Castaneda Carrion m. Juana Carbajal Sanabia (Sarabia) b. Jul 1690 In Gdl. Jal. (I have found 11 children from this marriage)
-Maria Nicolassa Castaneda Carrion m. Martin Ruiz de Esparza Sotelo (I have found 9 children from this marriage)
-Nicolas Castaneda Carrion m. Maria Gomez Ruiz de Villasenor
-Francisca Castaneda Carrion m. Joseph Diaz Perea (I have found 6 children)
-Ana Castaneda Carrion m. Andres Martinez de Sotomayor Guerra
-Geronima Castaneda Carrion
-Polonia Castaneda Carrion
-Juan Antonio Castaneda Carrion

2.Petrona de Castaneda m. Matheo Aguado (I assume she is Antonio's sister, since Antonio & Thomasa are her daughter's godparents)

3.Miguel de Castaneda (based on your contributions, it seems that his name is Gabriel instead, correct?) There is a Miguel Castaneda who appears on Antonio's son's -Juan Castaneda Carrion- baptismal record.

4.Polonia de Castaneda m. Alonso de Guzman (she would be Apolonia de Castaneda)

Therefore, everything seems to indicate that Antonio (husband of Thomasa Carrion) is in fact Apolonia's brother, both children of Nicolas de Castaneda y Ana de Vargas, correct? Do you think Petrona de Castaneda is also their sister? I have been researching Antonio's descendants, in case somebody is also working on this line we could share information.

Thank you for all the information you have shared!

Jorge Chiprés Castañeda

Comment

Bill,
I thought it was a estrange coincidence that two brothers married, within a short time frame, two ladies named Maria (Lopez and Rebollo Lopez) who were widows of two husbands named Juan Valades. Yet, I did not pursue it any further. Once again you share with the group a fantastic piece of genealogical research that demonstrates there was no Miguel but only Gabriel Castañeda.
Regarding the surname Moriano, although rare, it can be found in Spain, and in some latin american countries, particularly in Argentina. There is a town in northern Italy that goes by that name, and the presence among Argentineans could be associated to a toponym used among Italian inmigrants. However, in our case, there is another toponym that yields a more plausible origin. If we focus on the alternative spelling recorded in Apolonia's testament (Vargas Muriano) we find Cerro Muriano, a small town just north of the City of Cordoba, and the site of ancient Roman copper mines known by that name.

Thanks

Jaime

Comment

Carolyn Gomez Duran

Dear Jorge,
These are my ancestors:
Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion would be my 9th GG-parents.
Juan Castaneda and Juana Carabajal my 8th GG-parents.
Maria Gertrudis Castaneda and Joseph Matias Sesario Sosa my 7th GG-parents.
Maria Josefa Anastacia Sosa and Jose German Gaitan my 6th GG-parents.
Jose Manuel Gaitan and Maria de los Dolores Gaitan my 5th GG-parents.
Prudencia Gaitan and Manuel Garza my 4th GG-parents.
Rosalia Martinez Gaitan and Roman Hinostroza Esparza my 3rd GG-parents.
Maria Bernarda Esparza and Bonifacio Jimenez my 2nd GG-Parents.
Antonio Jimenez and Maria Loginos Moreno my 1st GG-parents.
Maria Isabel Jimenez and Roman Cardenas my Grandparents.
Are we primos??
Carolyn

Comment

Bill, Jaime, Carolyn et. al.
I believe I have found another piece of the puzzle with the Castañeda family. The following: In a dispensa that can be found for the years 1710-1712, image 489 we find the following information:
Sierra de Pìnos - Nicolás de Castañeda y María Gómez Ruíz

It mentions that Nicolás is a native of Sierra de Pinos as well as María Gómez. They share a 4th and 3rd degree of consanguinity. He is the son of Antonio de Castañeda and Tomasa de Carrión; she is the daughter of Matías Gómez and Isabel Ruíz; The genealogy is not fully mentioned, the only information the witnesses give is that both are "bisnietos de dos hermanos carnales"
According to the dispensation, Antonio de Castañeda is the grandson of Pedro de Castañeda and María Gómez is the great grandaughter of Jacinta de Sotomayor. It also mentions that Jacinta was a sister to Blas Nieto. My question is the following: is Blas Nieto somehow related to the Nieto Corona family? This would put all these individuals at the beginning to the first quarter of the XVII century in Aguascalientes-Pinos region.
I hope this will shed forth even more light on this genealogy,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Comment

Does anyone know who were the parents of Apolonia de Castañeda married to D. Alonso de Guzmán y Prado?

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Saludos desde São Paulo, SP, Brasil

Comment

Carolyn, Daniel, David et al,

Just a quick note to correct the name of the "padrino" in the wedding of Miguel de Castañeda and María López. The transcription should read "fue su padrino el Capitán Pedro de Quixas y Escalante" instead of Juan de Quenca y Escalante. My mistake in reading the original document. Capt. Pedro de Quixas belonged to a prominent family of landowners in Pinos at that time. I apologize for the mistake, which was caught by the quick eyes of David Delgado of Albany, California. The transcription should read

Al margen: "Miguel de Castañeda y María López, españoles"

"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel de Castañeda, hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Pedro de Quixas y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"

Additional information about Pedro de Quixas y Escalante:

Capt. Pedro de Quixas y Escalante was the son of Pedro Fernández de Quixas and María de Escalante Borroto. He married Catalina López de Saldaña y Alcaraz, and established his family in Pinos, Zacatecas, where he was a rancher and raised cattle. They had several children, including two sons Diego and Juan de Quixas Escalante, ordained as priests in the Catholic Church, and one daughter, Catalina de Saldaña, who became a nun.

31. Testamento. Zacatecas, 12 de febrero 1656. Juan de Oñate Salcedo, residente hijo legítimo de Juan de Oñate, vecino de San Luís Potosí difunto (no dice madre) albacea,
y testamentario el bachiller Juan de Quijas Escalante, presbítero, cura y juez del partido de Sierra de Pinos. Heredera, Catalina de Saldaña hija del capitán Pedro de Quijas
para ayuda de la dote del estado de religiosa. fjs. (32-33)

The following excerpts from Jaime Holcombe's correspondence with Mary Lou Montagna (1992-1994)

"In the Zacatecas protocols is the will of a woman who connects with the Quijas Escalantes. It's in the notary records of Felipe de Espinosa, Box 04, Package 1659:

15 de noviembre de 1659 - testamento de Leonor de Saldaña, viuda, hija legítima del Capitán Juan de Herrera y Catalina de Saldaña, vecinos de Nuestra Señora de los
Zacatecas, de donde es originaria.

Casó en primeras nupcias con Antonio de Alcaraz, habiendo a los siguientes hijos: Diego de Herrera y Alcaraz, médico: Catalina de Saldaña y Alcaraz, mujer del Capitán
Pedro de Quijas Escalante; a la madre María del Santísimo Sacramento, monja profesa en el Convento de Regina Coeli de Mexico; Antonia de Saldaña y Alcaraz; Gerónima
de Alcaraz y Saldaña viuda del licenciado Diego Dávalos y Rivera, abogado de la Real Audiencia; el padre fray Jacinto de Herrera, religioso de San Francisco; Nicolás de
Alcaraz y Pedro de Herrera y Alcaraz, los dos últimos fallecidos y cuyas herencias de su padre fueron a cargo de mi hermano, Mateo de Herrera.

Casó por segunda vez con Bartolomé Hernández, ya difunto, y sus hijos fueron Ana de Saldaña y Juana de Saldaña. Juana murío después que su padre.

Son los albaceas el Capitán Pedro de Quijas Escalante mi yerno, Ana de Saldaña mi hija y Nicolás de Quijas Escalante mi nieto.

In the margin it reads: 2 de marzo de 1662 para Ana de Saldaña. En 2 de octubre se sacó de mandato de Juez para Diego Cid de Escobar.

Leonor de Saldaña's brother Mateo appears in other documents:

1. Same package of entries; In Zacatecas, 29 May 1659. El Capitán Pedro de Quijas Escalante vecino y criador de ganados en la jurisdicción de Sierra de Pinos arrienda
a Alonso Cordero, vecino y minero la hacienda de minas del beneficio de sacar plata por azogue por fín y muerte de Mateo de Herrera, escribano fue del Cabildo. La
hacienda le pertenece por la sentencia que los fueros Reales dieron sobre los bienes del dicho Mateo de Herrera. Es el arrendamiento por dos años que inician el
15 de junio de este año al precio anual de 500 pesos en plata.

2. Box 04, paquete de 1653: En Zacatecas, 6 de mayo de 1653, el Capitán Cristóbal Tostado, vecino y minero vende a Diego de Arteaga la hacienda de minas y huerta
que fue de Mateo de Herrera Quezada, difunto en 1,700 pesos de oro común en Reales."

Just in case someone is interested in this family.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

Comment

Bill Figueroa,
Recently you provided the names of six children of Pedro Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor, and also mentioned your belief that Nicolas Castañeda, the spouse of Ana Vargas, could be brother of Pedro. However, Nicolas was another child of Pedro and Jacinta, as it was stated in the marriage information when he pretended to marry Ana Vargas in Pinos, Zacatecas, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-26512-76?cc=1804458&wc….
Ana was born in San Luis Potosi and lived in el Real de la Pendencia and was the daughter of Diego Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona. Notice that her father's surname conflicts with at least one later document where the compound surname associated with Ana appears as 'Vargas Machuca'.

Sincerely

Jaime

Comment

Hello Jaime,

Wow!! You discovered a very important piece of the puzzle and the one were all missing. With this, all the other pieces seem to fall into place. This document confirms that Nicolás de Castañeda was indeed the son of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor and not Pedro's brother, as I had originally thought.

As you mentioned, Ana de Vargas was the daughter of Diego de Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona. The confusion with the surname "Vargas Machuca" stems from the burial record of Apolonia de Castañeda in 1739. Here is the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12142-72431-92?cc=1502404&…

This record conflicts with others with more credibility, such the Información Matrimonial you found and the final will and testament of Apolonia de Castañeda, filed 7 Feb 1715 in Aguascalientes. This important document in the Protocolos Notariales of Baltazar Díaz de Aguilera, Alcalde Ordinario de Aguascalientes, begins as follows:

"En el nombre de Dios todopoderoso amen: sepan quan-
tos la presente carta de poder vieren como io Da. Apolonia de
Castañeda, vezina de esta Villa de Aguas calientes
e hija lexitima de D. Nicolas de Castañeda y de Ana
de Vargas Muriano, vezinos que fueron de el Real de
Sierra de Pinos; hallandome sana de el cuerpo, memoria y en-
tendimiento natural tal qual Dios nuestro Señor
fue servido de darme....etc. etc."

Apolonia de Castañeda was in her late 40s or early 50s (her last child, Julián Flores de Robles, was born in 1705) and in good health when she filed her testament in 1715. She didn't die until 23 Aug 1739 when she was buried in Aguascalientes. I think that settles it, her parents were Nicolás de Castañeda and Ana de Vargas Muriano (or Moriano). The reference to the surname Vargas Machuca was a blunder by the scribe who recorded her burial.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion

Bill Figueroa,
Recently you provided the names of six children of Pedro Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor, and also mentioned your belief that Nicolas Castañeda, the spouse of Ana Vargas, could be brother of Pedro. However, Nicolas was another child of Pedro and Jacinta, as it was stated in the marriage information when he pretended to marry Ana Vargas in Pinos, Zacatecas, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-26512-76?cc=1804458&wc….
Ana was born in San Luis Potosi and lived in el Real de la Pendencia and was the daughter of Diego Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona. Notice that her father's surname conflicts with at least one later document where the compound surname associated with Ana appears as 'Vargas Machuca'.

Sincerely

Jaime

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Hola-

Ana's sister Maria de Vargas married Juan Delgado (son of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz). Juan was a widower, having previously been married to Juana de Rivera. It appears that Maria de Vargas and Juana de Rivera were related, since the marriage required a dispensation for 'segundo con tercero grado de afinidad'. The dispensation can be found in the Pinos IM 1640-1699 records: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25771-7?cc=1804458&wc=…

In the dispensation, Maria's parents are listed as Pedro de Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona

…información dada por Juan Delgado, viudo de Juana de Rivera, hijo legitimo de Diego Delgado y de Juana Díaz, y María de Vargas, soltera hija legitima de Pedro de Vargas Moriano y de Leonor de Cardona españoles vecinos del partido de Sierra de Pinos para el matrimonio que pretenden contraer y el impedimento que resulta de parentesco de segundo con tercer grado de afinidad…

Austin Perez

La descendencia de Malinalli “Marina” (La Malinche) hasta Iyari Amaranta Casillas Mariscal

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1.) Cacique (chieftain) de Paynala m. Marta (baptized name)

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Published by Jorge – Sun, 2021-01-10 11:35 | Permalink

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También encontré una descendencia de mi familia de Zacatecas a partir de la Malinche pero tengo un punto de unión conflictivo.
1.) Cacique (chieftain) de Paynala m. Marta (baptized name)
2.) Malinalli (baptized Marina) Tenépatl (aka “La Malinche” m. Juan Jaramillo
3.) María Jaramillo m. Luis Lopez de Quesada (aka Quesada, aka Luis Quesada López de Mendoza, aka Luis Lopez de Mendosa)
4.) Pedro de Quesada m. María Melchora de Puga
5.) Alonso de Quesada m. Juana Bautista Hernández Arellano Hurtado de Mendoza
6.) María Díaz de Quezada y Hernández m. Gabriel de Avalos de Orozco
7.) Isabel de Avalos Orozco y Díaz de Quezada m. Diego de Carrion Tremiño
8.) Antonio de Carrion m. Francisca Beatriz Rodríguez
9.) Tomassa de Carrion m. Antonio de Castañeda León y Vargas
10.) María Nicolasa de Castañeda Carrion m. Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Sotelo Jaén
11.) Margarita de Esparza de Castañeda m. Francisco de Herrera Diaz
12.) María Feliciana Herrera Esparza m. Feliciano Placido de Villela
13.) María Nicolasa de Villela m. Ramón Maciel Carrillo
14.) José Felipe Maciel Villela m. María Ignacia Carrillo Ayala

El problema viene cuando veo que José Felipe Maciel Villela nació en 1793, María Ignacia Carrillo nació en 1794 y su hija Guadalupe Rafaela Maciel Carrillo nació en 1780 que se casó con Joseph Sabaas Berdeja Tobon, nacido en 1772. He buscado con otros miembros de MyHeritage y con Family Search pero no encuentro la solución.
¿Alguien tiene idea de esto?
Jorge

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También encontré una descendencia de mi familia de Zacatecas a partir de la Malinche pero tengo un punto de unión conflictivo.
1.) Cacique (chieftain) de Paynala m. Marta (baptized name)
2.) Malinalli (baptized Marina) Tenépatl (aka “La Malinche” m. Juan Jaramillo
3.) María Jaramillo m. Luis Lopez de Quesada (aka Quesada, aka Luis Quesada López de Mendoza, aka Luis Lopez de Mendosa)
4.) Pedro de Quesada m. María Melchora de Puga
5.) Alonso de Quesada m. Juana Bautista Hernández Arellano Hurtado de Mendoza
6.) María Díaz de Quezada y Hernández m. Gabriel de Avalos de Orozco
7.) Isabel de Avalos Orozco y Díaz de Quezada m. Diego de Carrion Tremiño
8.) Antonio de Carrion m. Francisca Beatriz Rodríguez
9.) Tomassa de Carrion m. Antonio de Castañeda León y Vargas
10.) María Nicolasa de Castañeda Carrion m. Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Sotelo Jaén
11.) Margarita de Esparza de Castañeda m. Francisco de Herrera Diaz
12.) María Feliciana Herrera Esparza m. Feliciano Placido de Villela
13.) María Nicolasa de Villela m. Ramón Maciel Carrillo
14.) José Felipe Maciel Villela m. María Ignacia Carrillo Ayala

El problema viene cuando veo que José Felipe Maciel Villela nació en 1793, María Ignacia Carrillo nació en 1794 y su hija Guadalupe Rafaela Maciel Carrillo nació en 1780 que se casó con Joseph Sabaas Berdeja Tobon, nacido en 1772. He buscado con otros miembros de MyHeritage y con Family Search pero no encuentro la solución.
¿Alguien tiene idea de esto?
Jorge

Please, help in finding who is the husband of this Catalina de Sepulveda

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Hello forum.

Catalina de Sepulveda died 10 Sep. 1644 in Guadalajara, Nueva Galicia.

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I just saw a secondary source that states that Ana de Ojeda’s first husband passed away in 1620 so that clears the way for the second marriage in 1621. Ana’s first husband was 45 years old when he passed away in 1620. Somehow genealogists have mixed up the age of 45 with the year of his death and have erroneously listed his death date as 1645. Luis was definitely from her first marriage.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci – Mon, 2021-01-04 20:19 | Permalink

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Hello Ruben,

Ana de Ojeda (b. 1593) was married twice, first to to Capitan Pedro Topete Enriquez.

I think that Ana de Ojeda’s first husband is related to Lorenzo Meza through their “Mesa” lines. Her first husband’s father is Francisco Topete de Mesa.

Ana de Ojeda and her first husband had three daughters and three sons. One of her sons is named Luis who was baptized in September of 1615 in Guadalajara.

Lorenzo Meza Valdivia is her second husband, but I think that her first husband was still alive in 1621.

Ana de Ojeda was married to both men, but the children named as inheritors are from her first marriage. On 6/December/1653 she is identified as the widow of Lorenzo Meza Valdivia and the inheritors that she names are children from her first marriage to Capitan Pedro Topete Enriquez. Luis is one of the inheritors

I hope this helps.

Happy New Year,
Rick A. Ricci
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Hello,

In looking at the death record, it does indeed mention Ana de Ojeda as suegra, but, not of Luis Bentura de Cabrera but instead of Lic. Francisco Rico ( y de la Torre). Francisco married Antonia Enriquez Topete y Ojeda, daughter of Ana de Ojeda and Pedro Enriquez Topete. Ana de Ojeda did indeed marry twice. His first marriage was to Pedro Enriquez Topete and her second marriage with Lorenzo de Meza. Ana de Ojeda was the daughter of Luis de Ahumada and Mariana de Ojeda y Vaca. This is all confirmed in Ana de Ojeda's testament found here:

Testamento de Ana de Ojeda - Guadalajara, Jalisco (23rd of October, 1653)

You can also find all sorts of rich information about Ana de Ojeda and her ancestors through the "Informaciones: Diego de la Mota y Carvajal" a grand-nephew of Ana de Ojeda through Diego's Ojeda ancestors. (Lorenzo de Meza gives testimony about Diego's limpieza and mentions that his wife, Ana de Ojeda, is an aunt of Diego) Link here:

Informaciones: Diego de la Mota y Carvajal - Guadalajara, Jalisco (13th of January, 1648)

I hope this helps.

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Many, many thanks to both of you, Rick and Daniel, for all the information shared!

Daniel, you hit the nail on the head! Ana de Ojeda is Francisco Rico´s mother-in-law.

Arzola (Jalisco/Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/San Luis Potosi)

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I have two questions concerning the Arzola family:

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Published by superhorrible – Tue, 2021-01-05 16:52 | Permalink

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I read : "The first is concerning the line of Capitan Don Pedro de Arzola, vecino y minero del Real de Panuco. He was married to Dona Cecilia Lopes de Soto. They were the parents of Maria, Josefa, Nicolasa, and Cecilia de Arzola."
I found documentation to proof the link with Nicolasa, and Josefa but I haven't able to locate any documentation (or any type of source) to proof that Cecilia de Arzola is the daughter of Pedro de Arzola and Cecilia Lopez de Soto.
Does anyone has anything to proof the link??
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Happy 2021!
sus leniski

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This is not my line but I do have some family group sheets which may help with the San Luis Potosi Arzola family. I was researching the Perez de Alanis line and had found a reference that said Juan Perez de Alanis was related to Perez de Arzola. I’ve seen the name written Arzola, Alzola, Alcola and other variations, but will use Arzola from now on.

Take a look at the following FGS in my Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yop1j3tqornd0xh/AABnVNtOvuDJtcuW0Gk5vgBHa?dl…

Andres Perez cc Magdalena de Arzola

Diego Perez de Arzola cc Maria de Santa Cruz

Alonso Bernal cc Isabel de Salas

Luis de Salas y Valdez cc Ana de Rojas

Juan Perez de Alanis cc Isabel de Salas

Gabriel Ortiz de Fuenmayor cc Ysabel Perez de Alanis

Note that Alonso de Cardenas and his wife Maria de Arzola were godparents to Alonso de Salas (Rojas) on 16 Apr 1614 in Pinos. Not sure where she fits in.

Mary Lou

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Hola otra vez:
De la búsqueda en Familysearch no se puede obtener evidencias de que ambas familias estén relacionadas entre sí, pero es muy probable. Actualmente está deshabilitada la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación que podría ayudar.

Primero te contaré lo que yo sé: A mediados del siglo XVI pasó a Perú Don Francisco de Irarrazábal, gentilhombre de su majestad el Rey de Inglaterra, lo acompañaba un séquito de familias de orígen vasco , entre ellos la familia Gárate cuya descendencia quedó en Perú, pero una parte pasó a Zacatecas. Algunos de los miembros de éste grupo, proceden de Elgoibar.

Por otro lado el prior de los frailes dominicos en Nueva Galicia era Fray Domingo de Alzola, que llegó a ser obispo. Con su nombre en el buscador aparecen varios libros y artículos.

En PARES encontré los siguientes registros, todos a Nueva España:

1582 INDIFERENTE 740,N.65 Fray Domingo de Alzola para la Iglesia de Jalisco.

1590 INDIFERENTE,2065,N.57 Licencia a Alonso de Santoyo y para Ambrosio de Asola, hijo de Pedro de Ansola, natural de Elgoibar.

1607 CONTRATACION, 5299,N.2, P.45 Licencia a Juan Pérez de Alsola criado de Francisco Hernández Osorio, natual de Elgoibar, hijo de Juan Pérez de Alzola y de María de Zavala.

1621 CONTRATACION,5368,N.19 Juan de Alzola natural de Elgoibar hijo de Domingo de Alzola y de Ana de Azcárate pasa en compañía del contador Matheo de Aróstegui.

En Familysearch encontré otra familia del mismo grupo:
Bautismo el 27 de febrero de 1659, en la Santa Veracruz, Ciudad de México de Francisca hija de Juan de Arasola Yrasaval y de Laura María de Sandoval.

Es casi seguro que las dos familias están relaciondas porque proceden del mismo lugar, pero afirmar que el Pedro de Arzola de San Luis Potosí es el mismo que el de Pánuco, de momento sería difícil, tal vez cuando se pueda consultar la Guía General aparezcan en los ramos de Tierras o Mercedes.

Posiblemente haya información en las páginas de genealogía vasca de Elgoibar, porque de los Gárate sí encontré una página que organizaba toda las ramas.

Saludos
Marcelina Macías

Published by Marcelina Macias – Wed, 2017-12-13 09:50 | Permalink

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Hola:

Te aviso que en la lista de matrimonios de la Sierra de Pinos hay varios Alcola con apóstrofe, lo que significa que se pronunciaba Alzola.

Es un post reciente subido por J. Refugio Hermosillo. Ojalá y encuentres a tu familia.

Marcelina

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Hello David,

Marcelina is correct, some of the children of Joan de Alçola (how he signed his name) and Ynes de Salas do appear as testigos & padrinos in the early San Matias Pinos archives. When did your Pedro Arzola cc Cecilia Lopes de Soto live?

I have found various documents regarding Joan de Alçola in the SLP misc archives: here's his testamento, dated 1596. He names their legitimate children, as well as 2 hijos naturales that he fathered with Engracia de la Olacaval, in Los Ramos de Zacatecas, named Mariana Arzola (b. 1571) and Andres Arzola (b 1574).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958X-SWLK?i=137&cc=204…

He names Doctor Juan de Bernal clerigo as his brother, and Pedro de Arzola as his cousin.

Though this Pedro de Arzola does appear in SLP and in old Sierra de Pinos, I don't know if he is the same from Panuco. Here he is, registering a mine 27 Jan 1597:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-SZHB?cc=2040013

And here he is, baptizing an hijo natural, named Pedro: 11 Feb 1607:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9G2L-1MC?cc=1860864

The name "Pedro" coincides in both lines, but then, it was a very popular name in early San 'Pedro' Minas de Potosi. Nonetheless, Joan de Alçola definitely lived previously in Zacatecas (where most of the founders of SLP originated). And then there's the "Salas" surname, which appears in both lines. Worth looking into.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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¿Puedes decirme la época en que el capitán estuvo en Zacatecas, yo tengo una abuela María Juana de Arzola en las minas de Zacatecas hacia 1650 pero ¡venía de Perú!

Hernando Enriquez del Castillo

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Hola a todos! Hace como un año que no comparto ni escribo. Aqui estoy de nuevo trabajando en mi arbol genealogico...

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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2020-12-28 22:04 | Permalink

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I have a copy of the dispensa for Pedro Enríquez and Isabel Calderón, dated 3 Jul 1667 in San Felipe, Gto. It states Pedro was from San Luis Potosí and the bride from Nochistlán in Nueva Galicia.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5JSN-BL?i=545&cc=18833…

However, it does not mention his parents. Some genealogists have him as Enríquez de Rivera (an influential family in San Luis Potosí) and others have him as Enríquez del Castillo.

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Tue, 2021-01-05 15:56 | Permalink

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Daniel, I think you have confused the individual’s that Sandra Patricia is speaking of: her Pedro Enriquez del Castillo was baptized 24 May 1646, son of Hernando Enriquez del Castillo cc Isabel Calderon Delgadillo, while the Pedro Enriquez and Isabel Calderon you speak of didn’t marry until 3 July 1667. These are 2 different families, living in 2 different places and at different times. An easy mistake to make, considering the similarities of the names & surnames - it took me a while to figure it out, too!

Sandra Patricia, I have Hernando Enriquez del Castillo marrying Mariana Diaz de Pangua on 22 Jun 1621 in Guadalajara; while they baptized a son named Hernando on 6 Oct 1631, he would’ve been too young to have been the father of your Pedro. Mariana Diaz did her testamento on 10 Feb 1641, so it’s possible that she died and Isabel Calderon Delgadillo was Hernando’s second wife. Here’s Mariana’s testamento, perhaps you can find a clue:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-W9JV-R?cat=35680

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Introduction - Jeanette Delgadillo Ravenscroft

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Hello,

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Maria Aceves’s descent from Hrolf “Rollo” the Viking:

1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.”

2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”.

3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good”

4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I.

5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I.

6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028, reinó en Inglaterra desde el 1066 hasta el 1087, sepultado en Caen, Francia. Guillermo I, casó con Matilde de Flandes, hija de Balduino V, Conde de Flandes y procrearon nueve hijos, uno de ellos: Enrique I.

7)- Enrique I, nació en 1070 y murio 1035, sucedió su hermano como rey. (Su hermano murió en 1100 de un accidental y cuestionable flechazo en una cacería.) Enrique fue rey hasta 1035. Enrique I se casó el 6 de agosto de 1100, en Westminster, con Edith Matilde, princesa escocesa, Desciende de King Alfred the Great, nacida en el 1080, en Dunfermline. Hija de Malcolm III Canmore, rey de Escocia y Santa Margarita. Casi no dejaron a Edith Matilde casarse. Se convocó a un concilio especial de la iglesia para asegurarse de que Edith Matilde no había hecho votos como monja. Su testimonio enfático logró convencerlos que ella no había hecho votos como monja. Procrearon dos hijos, El Príncipe Guillermo y Matilde de Inglaterra.

Sin embargo, la corona pasó a un primo, otro descendiente colateral de Guillermo, El Conquistador, quien la retuvo por 19 años.

8)- Matilde de Inglaterra, la hija de Enrique I, nacida e en 1102, Londres, casó en segundas nupcias el 22/May/1127, con Godofredo V Plantagenet (1113-1151), Conde de Anjou. Procrearon tres hijos, uno de los cuales, se convertiría en Henry II, retomando de nuevo la línea sucesoral del trono de Inglaterra. Este sobresaliente monarca reinó desde 1154 hasta 1189.

9)- Henry II Plantagenet, King of England,(1133-1189), casó el 18/May/1152, con Eleanor of Aquitaine, hija de Guillermo X, Duque de Aquitania. Los hijos de esta pareja se mezclaron con todas las casas reales europeas de la época. Procrearon siete hijos, siendo uno de ellos Leonor de Plantagenet.

10)- Leonor de Plantagenet (1156-1214), la hija del Monarca inglés Enrique II, casó en 1177, en Burgos, España, con Alfonso VIII, Rey de Castilla (1155-1214). Alfonso VIII es hijo de Sancho III, Rey de Castilla y Blanca de Navarra. Procrearon seis hijos, entre ellos a Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla.

11)- Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla (1180-1246), casó en Dec/1197, en Valladolid, con Alfonso IX, Rey de León (1171-1230). Procrearon a Fernando III, (San Fernando)

12)- Fernando III, Rey de Castilla y León “San Fernando” (1201-1252), casó el 30/Nov/1219, en Burgos, Francia, con Beatriz (Elizabeth Von Hohenstaufen) de Suabia, quien a su vez era hija de Felipe de Suabia. Este monarca unificó para siempre Castilla y León. Además jugó un papel preponderante en la reconquista de España en manos de los moros. Procrearon tres hijos, entre ellos, quien mantendría la corona, Alfonso X, más conocido como Alfonso, El Sabio.

13)- Alfonso X, (El Sabio) nació el 23/Nov/1221, en Toledo y falleció en 1284, en Sevilla, España. Tuvo varios matrimonios, llevándose a cabo uno de ellos el 26 de noviembre de 1248, con Violante de Aragón, hija de Jaime I de Aragón y de Violante de Hungría, nació en 1236, en Zaragoza y falleció en 1301, en Roscesvalles, Navarra, España. Procrearon once hijos, siendo uno de estos Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.

14)- Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació el 23/Oct/1255, en Valladolid y falleció el 25/July/ 1275, en Ciudad Real. Casó el 30/Nov/1269, en Burgos, con Blanca Capeto de Francia (1252-1320), quien era hija del rey de Francia Luis IX. Tuvieron dos hijos, siendo uno de ellos Alfonso de la Cerda Infante de Castilla.

15)- Alfonso de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla (1270-1334), casó con Mahalda Brienne-EU y procrearon a Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.

16)- Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació en 1291, Francia. Casó con Leonor de Guzmán en el 1306, en Sevilla. Luís de la Cerda, falleció el 5/July/1348, en La Motte-Sur-Rhone, Francia. Procrearon a Juan de la Cerda.

17)- Juan de la Cerda(1327-1357), nació en Sevilla. Juan de la Cerda y Sol Martínez procrearon a Martín González de la Cerda. En el testamento de Leonor Guzman ella deja un dinero para Sol Martinez y escribe que ella esta embarazada por su hijo Juan de la Cerda.

18)- Martín González de la Cerda, casó en el 1366, con Violante Alvarez Pereyra, hija ilegítima de Alvaro Gonçalves Pereira, Obispo de Braga. Genealogos no están de acuerdo de la madre de Violante. Los que dicen que es hermana completa de Nuñez Álvarez Pereira dicen que su madre es Iría Gonçalves de Carvahal. Algunos genealogos dicen que son medios hermanos y que la madre de Violante es Martinha Domínguez.

( Nuñez Alvarez Pereira, más conocido somo “San Nuño de Santa Maria” y como “el Protector de Portugal.”)

Martin y Violante procrearon a Mahalda de la Cerda.

19)- Mahalda de la Cerda, nació en ca. 1370, casó con Fernán Gutiérrez de Valverde y procrearon a María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda.

20)- María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda, murió 1464, casó con Gonzalo Porcallo Morán y procrearon a María Moran de la Cerda.

21)- Maria Moran de la Cerda, casó con Lorenzo Ulloa, Señor de Malgarrida, quien otorgó testamento y codicilo el 2/feb/1467. Lorenzo es hijo de Fernán Pérez de Ulloa Señor de Malgarrida y Gracia de Carvajal, vecinos de Cáceres, Fernán dio poder para testar a sus hijos el 11/Dec/1450. Lorenzo y Maria procrearon a Leonor de la Cerda.

22)- Leonor de la Cerda, casó con Balthazar Mendoza, hijo de Juan Pantoja y Elvira Alvarez de Mendoza. (Elvira es hija de Alfonso Duran Mendoza y Aldonza Vasquez de Sandoval. Filiación que consta en la carta de dote otorgada a favor de Juan Pantoja, el 3/Aug/1431) Balthazar y Leonor procrearon a Juan Pantoja.

23)- Juan Pantoja, conquistador, casó con Catalina Medina, hija de Domingo Medina. Juan y Catalina procrearon a Bernardina Mendoza.

24)- Bernardina Mendoza, casó con Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor y procrearon a Pedro Nuñez de Sotomayor.

25)- Pedro Núñez de Sotomayor nació hace 1580 casó el 31/Aug/1603 en Guadalajara, Nueva Galicia, (Jalisco, Mexico) con Ana Hurtado.y procrearon a Juana Hurtado de Mendoza

26)- Catalina Nuñez de Sotomayor m. Bartolome Navarro Gaitan (d.15/Oct/1644)

27)- Geronima Navarro Gaitan (b.1644) m. Francisco Ximenez

28)- Nicolas Ximenez Gaitan m. 22/Aug/1700 Maria Beltran Perez

29)- Antonio Ximenez Beltran m. Francisca Antonia Castellanos

30)- María Josepha de los Dolores Ximenez (bap.20/July/1757 m. Gregorio Garibai

31)- María Guadalupe de Jesus Garbay m. 26/March/1797 Juan Francisco Castellanos

32)- Juana Maria Castellanos (bap.10/Feb/1803) m. 11/July/1821 José Luis Hemeterio Godines

33)- María Alvina de Jesús “María de Jesús” Godines (b. 5/Oct/1825) m. Rafael Nuño

34)- María Leonides Nuño (d.21/Mar/1897) m.J. Ignacio Aceves Lomelin

35)- Ignacio Aceves (b.9/Sep/1878) m. 7/Aug/1897 Maria Brigida Estrada b.8/Oct/1882

36)- María Aceves (b.1906) m. Pedro Sánchez (b. 29/Jun/1896)

Rick A. Ricci
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Maria Aceves (b. Ca 1906) is the daughter of :

J. Ignacio Aceves Nuño (bap. 12 Sep 1878, born on 9/Sep/1878) Marriage Registration 7/August/1897 and Maria Brigida Estrada (b. 8/Oct/1882, bap. 12 Oct 1882)

Baptism of Maria Brigida Estrada born 8/Oct/1882
Parents Jose Refugio Estrada and María Jesús González
Paternal grandparents Jose Hilario Estrada (bap. 22 Jan 1791, La Barca)m. 15/Feb/1830 Ma. Guadalupe Aguirre
Great grandparents Jose Secundino Estrada (bap. 9 Jul 1769 La Barca )and Maria Paula Luz Zaragosa
Great grandparents Luis Aguirre and Maria Francisca Aceves
Great great grandparents Jose Secundino Estrada is the son of Antonio Joaquin Estrada and Maria Josefa Padilla m. 20/Apr/1754 La Barca, Jalisco

Antonio Joaquin Estrada is the son of Juan Estrada and Agustina Navarro
Maria Josefa Padilla Is the daughter of José (Juan De San Pedro) Padilla y María Gertrudis Navarro

Maternal grandparents Manuel Gonzalez and Gertrudis Navarro
Great Grandparents Manuel Gonzalez. And Maria Gertrudis Orosco
Great grandparents Antonio Navarro and Maria Antonia Zuñiga

Abuelos paternos J. Ignacio Aceves Lomeli and Ma. Leonides Nuño Godines (d. 21/Mar/1897) J Ygnacio Aceves Lomeli married a second time, 28 Jan 1898, to Angela Loza daughter of José María Loza and María Gutierrez

Bis abuelos Justo Aseves (d.registration 28/May/1868) and Apolonia Lomelin
Bis abuelos Rafael Nuño and Ma. De Jesús Godinez

Rafael Nuño b. Ca. 1819, (d. 10/July/1890, d.11/July /1890) Maria Alvina de Jesus Godines are the parents of Maria Leonides Nuño.
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Rick A. Ricci
My book Mygenes2000

Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2021-01-01 09:17 | Permalink

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Dear Jeanette,
You descend from Eleuterio Delgadillo and Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo

Eleuterio Delgadillo was married twice. Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo was his second wife. They were required to get a marriage dispensation because they were closely related through Delgadillo, Lopez, and Valdivia ancestral lines. There was another relationship listed in the dispensation because the two wives were related. Eleuterio married his second wife one year after his first wife passed away.

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Delgadillo relationship

(1.)- Juan Delgadillo m. Elvira Martinez de Alarcon (trunk)
2a.)- Cristobal Delgadillo m. Antonia Ximenez
3a)- Lorenzo Delgadillo m. Maria Isabel de Los Dolores Carrillo
4a.)- Lorenzo Delgadillo m. Juliana López
5a.)- Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo

(1.)- Juan Delgadillo m. Elvira Martinez de Alarcon (trunk)
2b.)- Jose Delgadillo m. Juana Ximenez
3b.)- Feliciana Delgadillo
4b.)- Esteban Delgadillo m. Guadalupe Valdivia
5b.)- Eleuterio Delgadillo
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Lopez Relationship

1.)- Juan López de Elizalde m. Luisa Gómez Aka Luisa Mendoza (trunk)
2a.)- Tadeo López López de Elizalde m. Antonia Valdivia
3a.)- Antonio Hilario López m. Gertrudis Ximenez
4a.)- Juliana López m. Lorenzo Delgadillo
5a.)- María Nepomucena Delgadillo

1.)- Juan López de Elizalde m. Luisa Gómez Aka Luisa Mendoza (trunk)
2b.)- Petrona (Petronila) López de Elizalde m. Luis Valdivia
3b.)- Luis Antonio Valdivia m. Gregoria Jauregui
4b.)- Maria Guadalupe Valdivia m. Esteban Delgadillo
5b.)- Eleuterio Delgadillo
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1.)- Sebastian Valdivia and Ysabel Marin (trunk)
2a.)- Antonia Valdivia m. Tadeo López de Elizalde
3a.)- Hilario López m. Gertrudis Ximenez
4a.)- Juliana López m. Lorenzo Delgadillo
5a.)- María Nepomucena Delgadillo

1.)- Sebastian Valdivia and Ysabel Marin (trunk)
2b.)- Luis Valdivia m. Petrona López de Elizalde
3b.) - Luis Antonio Valdivia m. Gregoria Jauregui
4b.)- Juliana Valdivia m. Esteban Delgadillo
5b.)- Eleuterio Delgadillo
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Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo’s relationship to Florenciana Chavez, the first wife of Eleuterio Delgadillo

1.)- Juan Delgadillo m. Elvira Martinez de Alarcon (trunk)
2a.)- Cristobal Delgadillo m. Antonia Ximenez
3a)- Lorenzo Delgadillo m. Maria Isabel de Los Dolores Carrillo
4a.)- Lorenzo Delgadillo m. Juliana López
5a.)- Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo (second wife) m. 1829 Eleuterio Delgadillo

1.)- Juan Delgadillo m. Elvira Martinez de Alarcon (trunk)
2b.)- Jose Delgadillo m. Marcela Jauregui
3b.)- Antonia Delgadillo m. Bacilio Chavez
4b.)- Olayo Chavez m. Maria Antonia de Xauregui
5b.)- Florentina Chavez (1st wife) d. 1828 m. 10/Nov/1819 to Eleuterio Delgadillo
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There is another relationship that is not addressed in the marriage dispensation.

The Jimenez relationship :

1.)- Juan Jimenez (aka Juan Medina) m. Isabel Quesada (trunk)
2a.)- Antonia Ximenez m. Cristobal Delgadillo
3a)- Lorenzo Delgadillo m. Maria Isabel de Los Dolores Carrillo
4a.)- Lorenzo Delgadillo m. Juliana López
5a.)- Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo

(1.)- Juan Jimenez (aka Juan Medina) m. Isabel Quesada (trunk)
2b.)- Juana Ximenez m. Jose Delgadillo
3b.)- Feliciana Delgadillo
4b.)- Esteban Delgadillo m. Guadalupe Valdivia
5b.)- Eleuterio Delgadillo
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A post on wikitree identifies Juana Jimenez as being married to a son of Cristóbal Delgadillo, but the marriage dispensation clearly identifies Juana Jimenez as being married to Jose Delgadillo, brother of Cristóbal Delgadillo. More research is needed to figure out if the wikitree post is correct or the dispensation.
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5.)- Eleuterio Delgadillo and Maria Nepomucena Delgadillo

6.)- Francisco Delgadillo (b1835, d. 21/Jun/1916) m. 4/Oct/1863 Paula Sánchez

7.)- Yrineo Delgadillo m. 16/Feb/1884 Feliciana Jauregui

I also descend from Sebastian Valdivia and Ysabel Marin.

Happy New Year,
Rick A. Ricci
Book: Mygenes2000

Published by R.A.Ricci – Sun, 2020-12-27 19:02 | Permalink

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Welcome to nuestrosranchos Jeanette,
You are a distant cousin of mine through your Rodriguez ancestry. I have more information on your ancestry but I don’t have time right now to post it so I will get back to you soon.

Irineo (Yrineo) Delgadillo born ca. 1866 Is the son of Francisco Delgadillo and Paula Sánchez.

Feliciana (Felicitas) Jauregui born ca. 1869 is the daughter of Pioquinto Jauregui and Maria Presentación Rodrigues.

Yrineo and Feliciana were married on 16/Feb/1884

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Paula was Francisco’s first wife.
Paula and Francisco were married on 4/Oct/1863, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

Francisco (b1835, d. 21/Jun/1916) is the son of Eleuterio Delgadillo and Maria Delgadillo. https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Paula is the daughter of Fernando Sánchez and Eusebia Alvarado

Francisco was married twice. On 25/May/1871 he married Florentina Sánchez, his sister in law.

Pioquinto is the son of Ramon Jauregui and Maria Gregoria Jimenez
Maria Presentación Rodríguez is the daughter of Antonio Rodriguez and Apolonia Jauregui

Fernando Sánchez is the son of Rafael Antonio Sánchez Rodríguez and Maria Jacinta Alvarado Giménez (m.18/April/1792).
Maria Eusebia is the daughter of Antonio Alvarado and Maria Rodriguez.

Rafael Antonio Sánchez Rodríguez (baptized on 2/July/1769 ) is the son of Miguel de Santos Sánchez and Catarina Rodriguez de Hijar
Maria Jacinta Albarado is the daughter of Jose Gabriel Alvarado and Mateana Giménez “ Jimenez”

Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year,
Rick A. Ricci

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Fri, 2020-12-25 19:28 | Permalink

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Bienvenido, prima!

I see some familiar surnames in your lines: Delgadillo (they appear in my lines twice), Macias (who also appear in my lines twice), Aceves, Jauregui - I’m sure we can all assist you in your journey!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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1) Eleuterio Delgadillo and Maria Delgadillo

2)Francisco Delgadillo (b1835, d. 21/Jun/1916) m. 4/Oct/1863 Paula Sánchez

3)Yrineo Delgadillo m. 16/Feb/1884 Feliciana Jauregui
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1)Miguel de Los Santos Sánchez y Lopez de Elizalde (bap. 8 Nov 1724 ) and Catarina Rodriguez de Hijar

2)Rafael Antonio Sánchez Rodríguez (baptized on 2/July/1769 ) m.18/April/1792 Maria Jacinta Alvarado Giménez (Jiménez)

3)Fernando Sánchez m. Eusebia Alvarado

4)Paula Sánchez m. 4/Oct/1863 Francisco Delgadillo(b1835, d. 21/Jun/1916)

5)Yrineo Delgadillo m. 16/Feb/1884 Feliciana Jauregui

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1.)-Juan Sánchez m. Maria Beatriz

2.)-Joseph Juaquin Sánchez m. 12/Apr/1780 Juana Maria Josefa Orosco

3.)-José María Sánchez m. María de San Jose Hernández

4.)-Pablo (José Paulo) Sánchez m. Rosalia Hernandez

5.)- Eleno Sánchez m. Maria Natividad Flores

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1.)- Christoval Orosco m. Maria Martha

2.)- Salvador Manuel Orosco m. 26/Sep/1753 María de Jesús Ibañez

3.)- Juana Maria Josefa Orosco m. 12/Apr/1780 Joseph Juaquin Sánchez

4.)- José María Sánchez m. María de San Jose Hernández

5.)- Pablo (José Paulo) Sánchez m. Rosalia Hernandez

6.)- Eleno Sánchez m. Maria Natividad Flores

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1.)- Juan Ximenez m.7/Oct/1724 Manuela Rodríguez

2.)- Juan Marcelo ( Marcelino) (Jn Marcelino) Ximenez m. 30/Jan/1743 Rosa Manuela Nuñez

3.)- Mathiana (Mateana, Matiana) Jimenez (Gimenez, Ximenez) m. 11/Feb/1771 Jose Gabriel Alvarado

4.)- Maria Jacinta Albarado m. m.18/April/1792 Rafael Antonio Sánchez Rodríguez

5.)- Fernando Sánchez m. Eusebia Alvarado

6.)- Paula Sánchez m. 4/Oct/1863 Francisco Delgadillo(b1835, d. 21/Jun/1916)

7.)- Yrineo Delgadillo m. 16/Feb/1884 Feliciana Jauregui

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1.)- Joseph Albarado y mujer no conocida

2.)- Jose Gabriel Alvarado m. Mathiana (Mateana, Matiana) Jimenez (Gimenez, Ximenez)

3.)- Maria Jacinta Albarado m. m.18/April/1792 Rafael Antonio Sánchez Rodríguez

4.)- Fernando Sánchez m. Eusebia Alvarado

5.)- Paula Sánchez m. 4/Oct/1863 Francisco Delgadillo(b1835, d. 21/Jun/1916)

6.)- Yrineo Delgadillo m. 16/Feb/1884 Feliciana Jauregui
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We are related through your Catalina Rodríguez de Hijar ancestry. This line goes back to an admiral in France.
I have much more information on two of your lines. You descend from The Jauregui family repeatedly. The information on your Jauregui and Rodríguez de Hijar lines are too long to most here.

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

Nicolas Corvera b. abt 1806 Help reading place of origin

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Hello,

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Published by mpetty85 – Tue, 2020-12-29 13:26 | Permalink

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Hi Sylvia, Ive been trying to find what I can about Nicolas Corvera and his parents Jose Trinidad Corvera and Petra Marquez. I saw in the Matrimonio of Nicolas Corvera that he was from Zaucillo de Leanos. Im more or less guessing that this is the same Saucillo located in the hills north east of Villanueva and east of La Quemada.
Looking at it from Google Earth it appears that there are walls or fences from previous habitation.

Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2019-06-17 18:06 | Permalink

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Hi Sylvia,

Villa Gutierre del Águila and Villanueva are synonymous--Villanueva is the new name changed in the last century. The place of origin for Nicolás Corvera reads "Zaucillo de los Lianos" or in modern Spanish it should be "Saucillo de los Llanos."

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Need help in reading a document—entierros, Guadalajara, 1626

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If anyone would like a real challenge in interpreting an old document, I should be grateful for any assistance in reading the last entry on the left-hand page of image 200 on roll 38311 (it's page 189

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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2020-12-28 22:03 | Permalink

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I have a copy of the dispensa for Pedro Enríquez and Isabel Calderón, dated 3 Jul 1667 in San Felipe, Gto. It states Pedro was from San Luis Potosí and the bride from Nochistlán in Nueva Galicia.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5JSN-BL?i=545&cc=18833…

However, it does not mention his parents. Some genealogists have him as Enríquez de Rivera (an influential family in San Luis Potosí) and others have him as Enríquez del Castillo.

Best Regards,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Published by Sergio – Sun, 2012-04-01 18:46 | Permalink

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Lawrence,

The film no. is 38309 and not 38311. Hernando Enriquez del Castillo was a notary in Guadalajara. This death certificate says that "Francisco Ahumada's" will was drawn by this Hernado Enriquez.

I have not been able to connect Vicente Enriquez's ancestors to the Guadalajara Enriquez del Castillo

Sergio Gutierrez

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Sergio,

Thank you; now I see it: "... testamente Hernando Enriques escribano publico y lo firme ..."; and you're right, of course: it's roll 38309—my error.

As for the ancestors of Vicente Enriques, here is what I have:
* the baptism of Joseph Bisente (279254 image 169) says "... hijo lexmo de Franco Enriques y de Anna Albares ...";
* the birth of Francisco Enriques (25 Nov 1677) is supposed to be on roll 226646 (FamilySearch), but images of the Zacatecas registros are not online;
* so if Francisco's father is, indeed, Pedro Enriquez Cuellar, then Pedro's baptism on 24 May 1646 is found on roll 38311, image 14; and
* Pedro's baptismal record gives his parent's names as Hernando Enriquez del Castillo and María de Cuellar.

So it would seem that the missing link is proof that Francisco is the son of Pedro Enriquez Cuellar and Isabel Calderon Delgadillo; of course, the marriage between Pedro and Isabel is also supposed to be on one of the Zacatecas registros, roll 226724.

If I have misstated any fact here, I would welcome your comment or correction. I should think that the two Zacatecas microfilm rolls would clear this up, wouldn't they? (Or are there other issues of which I am unaware?)

Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett

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Dear Lawrence & Sergio,
I'm so happy to see others researching Hernando Enriquez del Castillo!

Not sure if you already had the following information. Hernando Enriquez
del Castillo is mentioned in:

Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia, by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal in Tomo III,
p. 282-289
"Juan Enriquez Sanz y dona Andrea del Castillo fueron padres de Hernando
Enriquez del Castillo...Este caballero caso en Guadalajara el 22 de Junio
1621 con dona Mariana Diaz de Pangua... Fallecida en Guadalajara, viuda el 1
de Julio 1639..."

Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII
Segun sus Archivos Parroquiles by Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias,
p. 40
"Isabel Calderon. El 3 de Julio de 1667 en Nochistlan casaron Pedro Enriquez
vez de la villa de San Phelipe del obspado de Michoacan, e Isabel Calderon
hija de Diego Delgadillo y Petrona de Yslas... El 6 de Junio de 1667 en San
Felipe Guanajuato presento informacion Pedro Enriquez, natural de San Luis
Potosi; para casar con Isabel de Calderon..."
P. 41 reads "Francisco Enriquez. El 26 Febrero 1702 en Nochistlan casaron
Francisco Enriquez y Ana Alvarez Tostado hija de Capitan Francisco Alvarez
Tostado... Y Maria Ana Ramirez de Hermosillo... Refierase a la dispensa
matrimonial de Antonio Ximenx y Juana Jospeha Delgadillo. El 26 de Junio de
1729 en Xalostotitlan fallecio Francisco Enriquez siendo albaceas Franco
Xavier Enriques su hijo y sebastian peres de paredes. El 29 Mayo de 1753 en
Xalostotitlan fallecio Ana Alvarez Tostado."

Did either of you happen to locate the above documents? Any information you
can share would be very much appreciated!
Rosa

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Sergio,

Thank you; now I see it: "... testamente Hernando Enriques escribano
publico y lo firme ..."; and you're right, of course: it's roll 38309—my
error.

As for the ancestors of Vicente Enriques, here is what I have:
* the baptism of Joseph Bisente (279254 image 169) says "... hijo lexmo de
Franco Enriques y de Anna Albares ...";
* the birth of Francisco Enriques (25 Nov 1677) is supposed to be on roll
226646 (FamilySearch), but images of the Zacatecas registros are not online;
* so if Francisco's father is, indeed, Pedro Enriquez Cuellar, then Pedro's
baptism on 24 May 1646 is found on roll 38311, image 14; and
* Pedro's baptismal record gives his parent's names as Hernando Enriquez del
Castillo and María de Cuellar.

So it would seem that the missing link is proof that Francisco is the son of
Pedro Enriquez Cuellar and Isabel Calderon Delgadillo; of course, the
marriage between Pedro and Isabel is also supposed to be on one of the
Zacatecas registros, roll 226724.

If I have misstated any fact here, I would welcome your comment or
correction. I should think that the two Zacatecas microfilm rolls would
clear this up, wouldn't they? (Or are there other issues of which I am
unaware?)

Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett

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Hello,

Trying the pick up the research for my direct ancestor Pedro Enriquez del Castillo. Did we prove that he was son of Hernando and Maria de Cuellar? I am confused with her and Mariana Diaz de Paniagua.

Also, on the previous thread, I see that Guanajuato and San Luis Potosi are mentioned in Pedro's marriage certificate. I have the certificate but could not make this out.

Thanks!

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Lawrence and Rosa,

The big question is if the Pedro Enriquez, who married Isabel Calderon in Nochistlan on 3 July 1667, is the son of Hernando Enriquez del Castillo and Maria de Cuellar who was born in Guadalajara on 26 May 1646. Unfortunately, the marriage act of 1667, does not mentioned who Pedro's parents were.

Link to Pedro Enriquez and Isabel Marriage Act (lower right corner):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-593-63?cc=1410092&wc=6…

We do know that Francisco Enriquez's marriage certificate (Nochistlan, 26 Feb 1702) with Ana Alvarez-Tostado, mentions his parents as being Pedro and Isabel.

Link to Francisco and Ana's Marriage Act (upper left area):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51421-6?cc=1410092&wc=…

Below is the link to all of Nochistlan, Zacatecas digitized church records, unfortunately familysearch folks need to reorganize to include Zacatecas, as well as other states, with the section where Jalisco resides in.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…

Sergio.

Sergio Gutierrez

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Sergio,

Thank you so much for the Zacatecas links; I was so hung up in FamilySearch's other linkages that I missed the Zacatecas records altogether. You're right; FamilySearch should reorganize their lists.

These records will document some very important connections in my database; thanks again.

Lawrence Bouett

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