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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> >
> Well I'm going to be brief and then refer you to Gary Felix: 
> http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm also within this group 
> Angel Cervantes is very capable of talking circles around me.
> 
> What I meant was that I found inidications (markers) that seem to 
> indicate multinational ethnicity:
.....

Thanks for explaining!  

What about mtDNA?  Did you also got your maternal HG?

I plan on doing the 25 YDNA and the mtDNA.  I'm pretty sure I'll get European and Amerindian respectively.  The question is which ones!

Victor

Just Wondering:

is there a list of surnames that were "assigned" to the Indios as they
were assimiliated into mainstream Catholicism? I mean I know that some
surnames that exist today find their origin in that they were first
"assigned" to Indios as they came into the church AND others received
common Spanish Surnames. But those that received the common surnames is
there any indication as to if all and every name was eligible for an
Indio to receive? or were there certain names that Indios would
absolutely never receive?

thanks,

joseph

a member of the GEN-HISPANIC-L@... group wants to know if we
have any Vigils in the group. Well are there any that would like to come
forward?

thanks,

joseph

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Amazing things continue to happen. . .its the new year and I just got 
> back from a most remarkable weekend in Atlanta. . .its amazing how even 
> an abundance of alcohol can't keep me from thinking about genealogy. 
> Seems that every barmaid was a possible cousin once I found out what her 
> historical ethnic roots were and compared them with my recent 
> multinational DNA results. Yes a most remarkable weekend in Atlanta!
> 
> . . .

Multinational DNA results???

Would you mind elaborating a little bit more on this.  I have decided to take a DNA test myself and I'm very interested in your opinions.

Victor

Hi,

As all of you must surely know, when the time comes to take your research to the field or to simply to locate one of those strange sounding Mexican towns, a good map is an indispensable tool. For those searching for a good online map of a Mexican state, let me share with you the following link to the "Instituto de Estadistica Geografía e Informática" or INEGI for short: http://www.inegi.gob.mx/inegi/default.asp

First, select the state you're looking for in the upper left combo box.
Next, click in the label "Información Geográfica" almost at the top and center of the page.
Finally, on the first section of "Datos Generales" find and click on "Condensado estatal en formato raster"

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Hi, 

As all of you must surely know, when the time comes to take your research to the field or to simply to locate one of those strange sounding Mexican towns, a good map is an indispensable tool. For those searching for a good online map of a Mexican state, let me share with you the following link to the "Instituto de Estadistica Geografía e Informática" or INEGI for short: http://www.inegi.gob.mx/inegi/default.asp 

First, select the state you're looking for in the upper left combo box. 
Next, click in the label "Información Geográfica" almost at the top and center of the page. 
Finally, on the first section of "Datos Generales" find and click on "Condensado estatal en formato raster" 

Depending on your internet connection speed, downloading these maps to your screen could take several minutes, but the wait is well worth it and it is free. What you get is a map in "pdf" format (You need Acrobat Reader) and the detail on these maps is the best I've seen, even when compared to

Joseph,

I've already introduced myself to you, but if I may, I would like to post a brief introduction to other members of the Ranchos group.

My name is Victor Villarreal and I'm from Tamaulipas, México.

My paternal surname and ancestry is mostly found in northeast México, particularly Nuevo León, but my maternal surname leads me back to Jalisco, Zacatecas and even Aguascalientes.

My mother's surnames are Villagrana and Martel, but in tracing back these two surnames through the IGI so far I've found also the following surnames: 

Pinedo, Colunga , Del Real, Serrano, Arana, Alvarado, Marquez, Lopez, Perez, Rosales, Sanchez, Hurtado, Morillo, Sandoval, Tovar, Balbuena and Raygosa.

Geographically, the most significant places or rather starting places are Totatiche and Villa Guerrero in Jalisco, and Monte Escobedo in Zacatecas,  but other places (in no particular order) that are mentioned in some of the parish documents are el Salitre, el Salto, el Terrerito, Mezquitic Bolaños, Ojo

Hi All,

Legally, Mexican codes define and accept three kinds of relationships: 
consanguinity (related by blood) 
affinity (acquired by marriage) 
civil (by adoption) 

I found a good link that explains this.  Please see it below: 
http://www.dropby.com/indexLF.html?content=/Genealogia/parentesco.html 

On the real world, however, Guillermo is right.  Any kid from one of your cousins is your nephew/niece and he can call you tío/tía.

Victor 

Hi Joseph,

Not genealogical societies in the strict sense, but I understand that most of the cronistas locales or "town chroniclers" have an national association of their own that includes all of México.

Last summer I made a trip with a brother to Totatiche and Villa Guerrero, Jalisco, and we met Don Esteban Valdez, the chronicler of Totatiche.  He has a very good Valdez genealogy book and I understand he's currently working on a new book that will include other local surnames.  He also mentioned something about this chronicler association, in fact he said that one of her sisters was also a chronicler but in a nearby town, not sure if he said Colotlán.

Anyway, I'm going to try to write Don Esteban a few lines and ask him if he knows about genealogical societies in Jalisco and nearby states.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone aware of Genealogy and/or Social Societies in Mexico? In 
> particular for the states of Jalisco

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I don't have an exact answer to your question, but I think the reason 
is that familysearch.com is sometimes incomplete.

This has happened to be on serveral occassions where I have a record 
but it doesn't list a source batch no. or film no.  But then I look 
at it a couple of months later and it has a source.  Or it has a 
source and I print it out and then a couple of months later I look at 
it again and it is slightly different.  So I print that version out 
too.

Also, sometimes there is a differences between IGI and VRI.  That 
same record looks slighty different in VRI.  Here it is:

Maria Maccedonia     
  Sex: F

Event(s):     
 Christening: 08 Aug 1787  Place: Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico 

Parents:     
  Father: Josef Romualdo MARQUES 
  Mother: Juana Maria ESCOVEDO 

Source Information:     
  Batch Number: C606165 
  Source Dates: 1783 - 1802 
  Film or Fiche Number: 444026 
  Collection Details: Catolica 

Good Luck,
Angie

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http://www.nps.gov/tuma/M2000.html

Guillermo,

Take a look at one of these charts to see what "cousin once removed 
means"?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm
http://www.heirsearch.com/table.htm
http://stellar-one.com/genealogy/cousins.htm

The charts all basically show the same thing...

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Guillermo Valdez  wrote:
> Being born and raised in Mexico I can tell you what I
> know. I hope it is simple to understand. Any cousin of
> your parents, regardless of the level (1st, 2nd, etc)
> represents yout tio or tia (uncle or aunt). There is
> no limit as far as I know. 
> 
> Also, can anybody now explain to a mexican person what
> a "cousin once removed means"?
> 
> Guillermo.
>