Dear Sergio et al,

First of all, congratulations Sergio for all the great work you are doing with the series of books on your family, Jalostotitlán, and Los Altos. I enjoy them and find them very illuminating. ¡Felicidades y gracias!

Thanks to your publication of the Padrones de Jalostotitlán (1649 & 1650) you inadvertently led to the answer to your two primary questions based on your doubting of a quote by Mariano González Leal. Don Mariano was in error...he got his facts wrong in that prologue and correct in Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. He must have been writing the prologue off the top of his head and dropped the ball.

Your first question was if someone had verified that Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio “El Mozo” actually married Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza? And second question…If Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio “El Mozo” actually married Leonor de Hermosillo, then who did Capitan Miguel Gutiérrez-Rubio marry?

Amongst modern Alteño genealogists, I believe Jaime Holcombe-Isunza was one of the first to verify that Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio “El Mozo” actually married Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza. Even if he was not the first, certainly his vast body of work, which was integrated into the Mormon database since the 1970s, has contributed to EVERYBODY’s basic understanding of Alteño genealogy...errors and all. We all owe it to Jaime Holcombe because his family group sheets were microfilmed and inputted into the International Genealogical Index (IGI) during the late 1980s onto CDs. I still remember using those old CD-ROM case things. These CDs and the IGI database were then made accessible online when FamilySearch.org came of age in the 1990s.

Jaime Holcombe cites the Padrones (Censuses) of Jalostotitlán many times in his family group sheets. In particular are the very detailed and highly useful Padrones de 1649 and 1650. In these two padrones lies the answer to your questions.

Sergio, if you may permit me to briefly quote from one of your books, I can show you…but I’m sure you have figured it out over the five years since. The 1649 padrón mentions Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio II is married to Francisca (Hurtado) de Mendoza. On page 24…
[El padrón de Jalostotitlán 1649 - Página 24]

Casa y estancia de Francisco Gutiérrez español, que está de la cabecera 2 leguas
* Francisco Gutiérrez ††
* Francisca de Mendoza, española su mujer ††
* Diego Gutiérrez, su hijo solt. de 18 años ††
* Juan Gutiérrez, español ††
* Ana Camacho, española su mujer ††
* Teresa, su hija de 3 años
* Francisco Gutiérrez, español ††
* Catalina Mejía, su mujer ††
* Sebastián Gutiérrez, español de 24 años, †† hijo de padres no conocidos
* Josefa Gutiérrez, española solt. 14 años, †† hija de padres no conocidos
* Ana Gutiérrez, mestiza solt. 18 años, †† hija de padres no conocidos
* Marcos Ortiz, español de 4 años, hijo de padres no conocidos
[...et cetera...]

[Fuente: Sergio Gutiérrez, "Jalostotitlán - Padrones Parroquiales Volumen 1: 1649, 1650 y 1670", (2014)]

By the next year however, Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio II is a widower. That was fast! In 1649 he is married to Francisca de Mendoza and in 1650 he is a widower. Francisca de Mendoza died in the interim year between 1649 and 1650. The exact same family as above in 1650, on page 70…

[El padrón de Jalostotitlán 1650 - Página 70]

Casa y estancia de Francisco Gutiérrez, que está de la cabecera 2 leguas
* Francisco Gutiérrez viudo †† español
* Diego Gutiérrez su hijo de 22 años ††
* Juan Gutiérrez español ††
* Ana Camacho española su mujer ††
* Teresa su hija de 5 años
* Francisco Gutiérrez español ††
* Catalina Mejía su mujer ††
* Luisa su hija de 3 años
* Sebastián Gutiérrez español de 25 años †† de padres no conocidos
* Ana Gutiérrez mestiza solt. hija de padres no conocidos †† 15 años
* Marcos español de padres no conocidos 6 años
[...et cetera...]

[Fuente: Sergio Gutiérrez, "Jalostotitlán - Padrones Parroquiales Volumen 1: 1649, 1650 y 1670", (2014)]
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Although neither the 1649 nor the 1650 mentions Miguel Gutiérrez-Rubio, brother of Francisco II, by name…it does mention his widowed wife, Leonor de Hermosillo. So it is logical to conclude that Miguel Gutiérrez-Rubio was deceased before 1649. In the 1649 padrón, pg. 26…

[El padrón de Jalostotitlán 1649 - Página 26]

"Casa y estancia de Leonor de Hermosillo española viuda, que está de la cabecera 3 leguas
* Leonor de Hermosillo, española viuda ††
* El Bachiller Lázaro Gutiérrez, su hijo presbítero ††
* Juan de Aceves, español solt. de 20 años ††
* Catalina Mejía, española de 15 años †† hijos de Juan de Aceves y de Beatriz de Hermosillo españoles difuntos.
* Leonor de Hermosillo, española de 7 años † hija de padres no conocidos "
[...et cetera...]

[Fuente: Sergio Gutiérrez, "Jalostotitlán - Padrones Parroquiales Volumen 1: 1649, 1650 y 1670", (2014)]

Same family, same story one year later. In the 1650 padrón, pg. 72…

[El padrón de Jalostotitlán 1650 - Página 72]

"Casa y estancia de Leonor de Hermosillo española viuda, que está de la cabecera 3 leguas
* Leonor de Hermosillo viuda ††
* Bachiller Lázaro Gutiérrez presbítero ††
* Juan de Aceves español solt. de 22 años ††
* Catalina Mejía española de 17 años ††
* Leonor de Hermosillo española de 9 años † [hija de padres no conocidos]"
[...et cetera...]

[Fuente: Sergio Gutiérrez, "Jalostotitlán - Padrones Parroquiales Volumen 1: 1649, 1650 y 1670", (2014)]

So there you go. What I would like to know now is who are all these españoles “hijos de padres no conocidos” with the last name Gutiérrez living in their family households??? Are these Gutiérrez “orphans” grandchildren of Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio I and Ana González-Florida I??? Do any of you know who was having all these “hijos de padres no conocidos”??? [Ya mero no conocían quienes eran los padres de estos niños.]

My research has shown me that there were several cases of children born out of wedlock, more than we could imagine. “Hijos naturales”, both identified as Españoles and Mestizos, seem to be prevalent in several of the foundational families…González de Hermosillo, Ornelas, Gutiérrez Rubio, Casillas, Mendoza, etc. For some of these wealthy Spanish land-owners, there must have been ample temptation and opportunity amongst the native, servant, and slave population to sire bastard offspring. I am currently studying one of these illegitimate lines…a combination of González de Hermosillo and Gutiérrez Rubio which eventually became simply Gutiérrez.

And seriously, all of you guys need to buy Sergio Gutiérrez’s books. Can I plug your books? I guess I just did. They are priceless!!!

Hasta pronto a todos mis primos.

SFHL

HOLA SERGIO.
 
 CREO QUE ESTAS CONFUNDIDO EL FRANCISCO QUE TU HABLAS ES HIJO DE EL CAPITAN MIGUEL GUTIERRES HERMANO DE EL CAPITAN FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ EL MOZO.
 
POR LO TANTO ES NIETO DE FRANCISCO GUTIERRES EL VIEJO Y ANA GONZALEZ FLORIDA.
 
SON TRES FRANCISCOS:
 
FRANCISCO EL VIEJO SU HIJO FRANCISCO EL CAPITAN (HERMANO DE MIGUEL) CASADO CON FRANCISCA HURTADO DE MENDOZAY FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ CASADO CON JUANA LOMELI.(HIJO DE EL CAPITAN MIGUEL GUTIERREZ Y LEONOR DE HERMOSILLO).
 
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