Katy I don't have a wife for Pedro Carrillo De Avila father of Capitan Bernardo Carrillo de Avila married to Juana Mercado. I do have this
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
......trunk.. Pedro Carrillo Davila
Bernardo Carrillo Davila......Ana Carrillo Davila..1st degree
Nicolasa Carrillo Davila.......Petronila Felix de Arellano..2nd degree
Juan de la Torre Gamboa...Teresa Felix de Arellano..3rd degree
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
..trunk... Pedro Carrillo de Avila
Nicolas Felix Arellano.......Maria Carillo...1st degree
Bartolome Felix Arellano..Joseph Roman..2nd degree
Juan Dionicio Carrillo.........Francisca Roman.3rd degree.
information for lineage of Juan Carrillo Davila
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also this
marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
...trunk...Unknown Carrillo Davila
Juan Carrillo D...... Pedro Carrillo D. 1st degree
Pedro Carrillo D.....Maria Carrillo D.. 2nd degree
Maria Carrillo D......Pedro Cid Caldera..3rd degree
Joseph Roman......Josefa Cid Caldera 4th degree
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source: 167367 sagrada mitra film
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I also have Pedro Carrillo Pinedo married to Ysabel Delgado as the parents of Juan Carrillo De Avila but on wife of Juan Carrillo de Avila or his son Pedro Carrillo de Avila.
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My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico. If you go to pedigree in text form it's easier to read for lineage but you probably already know this. I have no found a connection to the Caldera line yet..
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia, Was
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Katy I'm wondering if I have my Pedro Carrillo De Avila's as more than one person in my files.
if I do then they are part of the Caldera line. I have this record but found it confusing because of my lack of Spanish language skills.
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1st cousin 7x removed in law of Chet Castanon
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marriage dispensation requested Febrero 7 de 1690 in Xerez, Zac
Dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad.-
Joseph Román, vecino de la Ciudad de Zacatecas, hijo de padres
no conocidos, expuesto en casa de Don Joseph Román de Cabrera; with; Josepha Sid. española de 19 años de edad, nacida y criada en la Villa de Xerez de la Frontera,
parents: Pedro Sid Caldera, español y de Juana Rosales.
Se le comunicó al pretenso el parentesco y pidió guardar el secreto atento a que Doña María Carrillo de Avila, que dice.i ser su madre que es ya difunta, había sido una mujer principal y haber sido casada con un hombre principal que es vivo.
Declaración de Doña María de Arellano, española de 50 años de edad, viuda del Cap. Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila:
Dijo que Doña María Carrillo, ya difunta, le dijo que viviendo en la Estancia que llaman de San Diego que es jurisdicción de
Pánuco. en la casa de su madre, en reputación de doncella por su desgracia se había hecho preñada y que con título de enferma la llevaron a la Ciudad de Zacatecas a la casa de Joseph de Román Cabrera, donde nasio a Joseph Román, pretenso, y que los abuelos de los pretensos que fueron Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila y María Carrillo, eran primos hermanos. Definición del parentesco: Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila y Juan Carrillo Dávila, fueron hermanos, y Pedro, tuvo a
María Carrillo, y ésta tuvo a Pedro Sid Caldera, padre de la pretensa, y Juan Carrillo, tuvo a Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila, y éste tuvo a María Carrillo Dávila,
madre del pretenso. 14 fojas.
source: sagrada mitra 167980 film -
page 566 Familysearch online program https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-45123-87?cc=1874591&wc…
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this will give you the pedigree in text form for Joseph Roman and Josepha Cid Caldera
I think I have duplicate Pedro's but since I don't have wives I'm confused now..
Linda
also i don't think a pedro carrillo pinedo exists.
i just know the found of jerez, pedro carrillo davila, married sancha vasquez de tapia and had at least 3 children with her: juan carrillo davila, pedro carrillo davila (who i'll call jr for now), and ana vasquez de mercado. jr married catalina cid caldera (alias gonzalez, who may or may not have been married at one point to rodrigo pinedo as well, but dn't have enough proof for yet.), and they had a son also named pedro(who i suspect may be lorenzo's grandpa but have no solid proof for that either), and a daughter named juana.
if my suspisin of the third pedro carrillo davila is correct, then that would mean that lorenzo has an uncle named diego(who's an ancestor of mines) as well, and that diego's mom 's name wuld be isabel delgado.
Katy I am totally confused.. is Catalina Sid Caldera the same person as Maria Gonzales Caldera?
I have Maria Gonzales Caldera married to Capitan Pedro Carrillo de Avila and no husband for Catalina Sid Caldera with a son named Pedro Carrillo De Avila father of Diego Carrillo de Avila married to Francisca Tello Orosco.. are they the same woman?
I also have Pedro Carrillo de Avila from Spain married to Maria Sancha Velmar daughter of Bernardino Sanchez de Tapia and wife not listed.. is this the same Sancha with a different surname that you have?
Linda Castanon-Long
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10th Great Grandfather of Chet Castanon
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
...trunk..Pedro Carrillo and Dona Sancha de Velmar
Juan Carrillo.............Ana Vasquez de Mercado.1st degree
Maria Carrillo.............Phelipe del Rio...2nd degree
Catalina Carrillo........Ana del Rio....3rd degree
Pedro Carlos.............Juana de la Torre..4th degree
source: sagrada mitra 167977
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well no, catalina and maria are sisters. catalina married pedro carrillo davila and possibly rodrigo pinedo before pedro. maria gonzalez cid married pedro alonzo de avila.
yes i think sancha velmar is the same person as sancha vasquez de tapia.
catalina cid is the paternal grandmother of diego carrillo. diego married francisca orozco.
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Katy can you take another look at this record? It looks like Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna.
what do you think?
is this the correct translation?.
Ordenes from la Sagrada Mitra 1615-1699
dated 17 April 1681 in Guadalajara
witness Antonio de Condomasea Espanol from this city age 70 more or less
who said he has known Lorenso Carrillo Davila for 8 years more or less
Lorenso Carrillo Davila clerico de menor ordenes from real de Fresnillo no age given
parents: el Capitan Bernardo Carrillo living and Juana Mercado deceased from Jerez
paternal grandparents: Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna both deceased
mat grn: Juana Mercado who was expuesta at the home of Capitan Sebastian Mercado who raised her.
note? record mentions Lorenso Carrillo de Abila el moso?
source: 168680 Ordenes
page 7 Familysearch online https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-38162-17?cc=1874591&wc… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18376-20186-28?cc=1874591&wc…
Linda in Olympia
lorenzo carrillo davila
Katy I don't have a wife for Pedro Carrillo De Avila father of Capitan Bernardo Carrillo de Avila married to Juana Mercado. I do have this
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
......trunk.. Pedro Carrillo Davila
Bernardo Carrillo Davila......Ana Carrillo Davila..1st degree
Nicolasa Carrillo Davila.......Petronila Felix de Arellano..2nd degree
Juan de la Torre Gamboa...Teresa Felix de Arellano..3rd degree
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
..trunk... Pedro Carrillo de Avila
Nicolas Felix Arellano.......Maria Carillo...1st degree
Bartolome Felix Arellano..Joseph Roman..2nd degree
Juan Dionicio Carrillo.........Francisca Roman.3rd degree.
information for lineage of Juan Carrillo Davila
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also this
marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
...trunk...Unknown Carrillo Davila
Juan Carrillo D...... Pedro Carrillo D. 1st degree
Pedro Carrillo D.....Maria Carrillo D.. 2nd degree
Maria Carrillo D......Pedro Cid Caldera..3rd degree
Joseph Roman......Josefa Cid Caldera 4th degree
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source: 167367 sagrada mitra film
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I also have Pedro Carrillo Pinedo married to Ysabel Delgado as the parents of Juan Carrillo De Avila but on wife of Juan Carrillo de Avila or his son Pedro Carrillo de Avila.
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My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico. If you go to pedigree in text form it's easier to read for lineage but you probably already know this. I have no found a connection to the Caldera line yet..
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia, Was
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Lorenso Carrillo De Avila
Katy I'm wondering if I have my Pedro Carrillo De Avila's as more than one person in my files.
if I do then they are part of the Caldera line. I have this record but found it confusing because of my lack of Spanish language skills.
~
1st cousin 7x removed in law of Chet Castanon
.
marriage dispensation requested Febrero 7 de 1690 in Xerez, Zac
Dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad.-
Joseph Román, vecino de la Ciudad de Zacatecas, hijo de padres
no conocidos, expuesto en casa de Don Joseph Román de Cabrera; with; Josepha Sid. española de 19 años de edad, nacida y criada en la Villa de Xerez de la Frontera,
parents: Pedro Sid Caldera, español y de Juana Rosales.
Se le comunicó al pretenso el parentesco y pidió guardar el secreto atento a que Doña María Carrillo de Avila, que dice.i ser su madre que es ya difunta, había sido una mujer principal y haber sido casada con un hombre principal que es vivo.
Declaración de Doña María de Arellano, española de 50 años de edad, viuda del Cap. Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila:
Dijo que Doña María Carrillo, ya difunta, le dijo que viviendo en la Estancia que llaman de San Diego que es jurisdicción de
Pánuco. en la casa de su madre, en reputación de doncella por su desgracia se había hecho preñada y que con título de enferma la llevaron a la Ciudad de Zacatecas a la casa de Joseph de Román Cabrera, donde nasio a Joseph Román, pretenso, y que los abuelos de los pretensos que fueron Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila y María Carrillo, eran primos hermanos. Definición del parentesco: Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila y Juan Carrillo Dávila, fueron hermanos, y Pedro, tuvo a
María Carrillo, y ésta tuvo a Pedro Sid Caldera, padre de la pretensa, y Juan Carrillo, tuvo a Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila, y éste tuvo a María Carrillo Dávila,
madre del pretenso. 14 fojas.
source: sagrada mitra 167980 film -
page 566 Familysearch online program
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-45123-87?cc=1874591&wc…
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Lorenso Carrillo De Avila
Katy I have this as their pedigree
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=mexico&id=I97…
this will give you the pedigree in text form for Joseph Roman and Josepha Cid Caldera
I think I have duplicate Pedro's but since I don't have wives I'm confused now..
Linda
Lorenso Carrillo De Avila
bernardo's mother's name is isabel delgado according to this page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18376-20186-28?cc=1874591&wc…
also i don't think a pedro carrillo pinedo exists.
i just know the found of jerez, pedro carrillo davila, married sancha vasquez de tapia and had at least 3 children with her: juan carrillo davila, pedro carrillo davila (who i'll call jr for now), and ana vasquez de mercado. jr married catalina cid caldera (alias gonzalez, who may or may not have been married at one point to rodrigo pinedo as well, but dn't have enough proof for yet.), and they had a son also named pedro(who i suspect may be lorenzo's grandpa but have no solid proof for that either), and a daughter named juana.
if my suspisin of the third pedro carrillo davila is correct, then that would mean that lorenzo has an uncle named diego(who's an ancestor of mines) as well, and that diego's mom 's name wuld be isabel delgado.
Lorenso Carrillo De Avila
Katy I am totally confused.. is Catalina Sid Caldera the same person as Maria Gonzales Caldera?
I have Maria Gonzales Caldera married to Capitan Pedro Carrillo de Avila and no husband for Catalina Sid Caldera with a son named Pedro Carrillo De Avila father of Diego Carrillo de Avila married to Francisca Tello Orosco.. are they the same woman?
I also have Pedro Carrillo de Avila from Spain married to Maria Sancha Velmar daughter of Bernardino Sanchez de Tapia and wife not listed.. is this the same Sancha with a different surname that you have?
Linda Castanon-Long
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10th Great Grandfather of Chet Castanon
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
...trunk..Pedro Carrillo and Dona Sancha de Velmar
Juan Carrillo.............Ana Vasquez de Mercado.1st degree
Maria Carrillo.............Phelipe del Rio...2nd degree
Catalina Carrillo........Ana del Rio....3rd degree
Pedro Carlos.............Juana de la Torre..4th degree
source: sagrada mitra 167977
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Lorenso Carrillo De Avila
well no, catalina and maria are sisters. catalina married pedro carrillo davila and possibly rodrigo pinedo before pedro. maria gonzalez cid married pedro alonzo de avila.
yes i think sancha velmar is the same person as sancha vasquez de tapia.
catalina cid is the paternal grandmother of diego carrillo. diego married francisca orozco.
here's a marriage dispensation for thomas de avila and felipa carrillo (of diego's daughters)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18379-10363-45?cc=1874591&wc…
Catalina cid...............Maria cid.1st degree
Pedro Carrillo.............Fabian davila...2nd degree
Diego Carrillo.............Thomas davila....3rd degree
Felipa Carrillo.....4th degree
edit:note: Powell mistakes pedro carrillo davila jr for pedro alonzo davila.
pedro Carrillo
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Katy can you take another look at this record? It looks like Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna.
what do you think?
is this the correct translation?.
Ordenes from la Sagrada Mitra 1615-1699
dated 17 April 1681 in Guadalajara
witness Antonio de Condomasea Espanol from this city age 70 more or less
who said he has known Lorenso Carrillo Davila for 8 years more or less
Lorenso Carrillo Davila clerico de menor ordenes from real de Fresnillo no age given
parents: el Capitan Bernardo Carrillo living and Juana Mercado deceased from Jerez
paternal grandparents: Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna both deceased
mat grn: Juana Mercado who was expuesta at the home of Capitan Sebastian Mercado who raised her.
note? record mentions Lorenso Carrillo de Abila el moso?
source: 168680 Ordenes
page 7 Familysearch online
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-38162-17?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18376-20186-28?cc=1874591&wc…
Linda in Olympia