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By Enrique Gariba… |
Que tal compañeros, quiera saber si alguien tiene de ancestros a Miguel de Avalos casado con Teresa de Báez.
Tuvieron por hijo a
Cayetano de Avalos originario del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan (¿San Juan de los Lagos?) Caso en 1716 con Petrona Gutiérrez originaria de la hacienda de Potrerillos en Jocotepec, hija de Bernardo Camacho y Lorenza de la Cerna.
A Cayetano y Petrona se les dispenso por tercer grado de consanguinidad, ya que sus madres de ambos contrayentes eran primas hermanas.
Anexo la dispensa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-663J-V5?i=576&wc=12512…
Ashkenazi descendants in Jalisco.
Many Askenkenazi only intermarried with other Ashkenazi, even after moving to Spain or Portugal. Rabbi Zacuto descendants intermarried often. that is how Simon Vaez was related to his wife. The extended family followed them to Mexico, and what is now New Mexico, and continued the endogamy. Mr Enriquez, the spouse of the lady that I met at the airport, descends from Ashkenazi that continued marrying Ashkenazi until only recently. That is the only way to explain his DNA results as his family has been in Mexico for centuries. I will get into contact with this Enriquez family and work on their genealogy.
French Jewish ancestry
Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto’s ancestry leads to France in the 1200’s just like the Sanchez Hernandez Arellano family
They weren’t Sephardic Jews, they were Ashkenazim.
R.A.Ricci
Miguel de Avalos y Teresa de
Miguel De Avalos y Villaseñor was married to Maria Gutierrez. I believe that Teresa Baez (aka Gutierrez) and Maria Gutierrez are the same person.
Miguel is the son of Isabel De Avalos y Sánchez (daughter of Maria Sanchez)
This family connects to the family in post: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24206?page=2
Rick A. Ricci
Miguel de Avalos y Teresa de Baez
Enrique,
the dispensation doesnt really specify who the ancestors are, but the Baez and the de la Serna families are the same. I have several of them in my ancestry. My guess is that your Theresa Baez and Lorenza de la Serna are related to my Ignacio Baez aka de la Serna. they're probly all first cousins. Unfortunately, i dont know who is parents are, but his children all use the names Baez and de la Serna:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/B%C3%A1ez-15
There's a Simon Baez that died in Aguascalientes in 1659 who is old enough to be the father of any of these Baez and de la Serna's. Some people claim that he and his wife Maria de la Cerda are the origin of the Baez de la Serna, but I don't think people would confuse de la Cerda and de la Serna, they're not the same names at all.
Guadalajara, Jal. Abril 27 de 1716.- Dispensa de tercero grado igual de
consanguinidad. - Cayetano de Avalos, español de 17 años de edad, vecino de esta
Ciudad de Guadalajara y originario del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan,
hijo legítimo de Miguel de Avalos y de Theresa Báez; con Petrona Gutiérrez,
española de 18 años de edad, originaria de la Hacienda del Potrerillo feligresía
de Jocotepec. y vecina de esta ciudad, hija legítima de Bernardo Camacho y de
Lorenza de la Serna. Declaración del pretenso: Por ser la madre de la pretensa y
la mía primas hermanas, hijas de dos hermanos. Se otorgó la dispensa en la
Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 27 de abril de 1716. 12 fojas.
A De la Serna family that was originally De la Cerda
A few months ago, I helped someone extend their family tree many generations. The information that I was provided with initially included records with De la serna as the surname. As I went back in time, the surname reverted to the original surname De la Cerda. The information was posted here in a nuestroranchos post.
Lorenza Baez Gutierrez (aka De la Serna/de La Cerda) B: 30 ago 1678 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico was the daughter of Ignacio Baez De la Serna and Juana Maria Gutierrez De Mendoza.
Ignacio Báez de la Serna is the son of Simone Baez and Maria De la Cerda
I believe that it is possible that Imone descends from : Juan de Baeça natural de Baeça de Paßcuaro donde fue naguatato (?), y de Ysabel de Perez su muger, natural de Fe
Name Lorensa Baez Gutierres
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Aug 1678
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Ygnacio Baez
Mother's Name Ma. Gutierres
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ5D-6V3 : 10 February 2018), Lorensa Baez Gutierres, 30 Aug 1678; citing SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,504.
Here is a copy and link to Simon’s death record:
Simon Baes
Event Type Death
Event Place Asunción de María, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Burial Date 14 Dec 1659
Spouse's Name Maria de la Cerda
Citing this Record
México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N87J-F21 : 11 March 2018), Simon Baes, ; citing Death, Asunción de María, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico, parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic church parishes, Aguascalientes).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S67-68K?i=75&cc=15024…
Rick A. Ricci
de la Serna
Mr. Ricci,
I think Simon Baez and Maria de la Cerda make sense as the parents of Ignacio Baez de la Serna, but Im not convinced that that's the origin of de la Serna. My guess is that de la Serna is farther back in their ancestry.
De la Cerda and Baeza
De la Cerda is a name that was not a popular name at a time where many people were being accused of Judaism It was easy to change the name to De la Serna and it was often done, not just in this branch of the family.
Baeza is a surname based on location. The people with this surname usually had ancestors with different surnames. My Baeza ancestors were originally Lopez.
1. Simon Baez and Maria de la Serda
1.1 Juana Ysidora Baez Serda, c. 25 may 1687, Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.2 Simon Baez de la Cerda, married at least twice
1.3. Sebastiana Baez Lacerda c24 feb 1659, Aguascalientes, Ags.
1.4 Ignacio Baez de la Serna m. Juana María Gutierrez De Mendoza (daughter of Juan Gutierrez De Mendoza and Ana Camacho Gonzalez De Hermosillo
1.4.1 María Gutierrez
1.4.2 Sebastian Baez Gutierrez c. 22/Feb/1676 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.4.3 Lorenza Baez Gutierrez (aka De la Serna) c. 30/Aug/1678 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.4.4 Franco. Baez Gutierrez c. 20/Oct/1680 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.4.5 Ignacio Baez Gutierrez c. 25/Mar/1683 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.4.6 Phelipe Baez Gutierrez c. 1684 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
1.4.7 Nicolas Baez Gutierrez c. 04/Sep/1685 in Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico..
1.4.8 Diego Baez Gutierrez b. 1697 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
Rick A. Ricci
de la Cerda
What does it mean when your sayin de la cerda was not a popular name when people were accused of Judaism.
Familia Baez
Hola a todos:
Existió una persona llamada Simón Baéz Sevilla, era comerciante e impulsor de una serie de sinagogas, su familia vivía en San Juan de Los Lagos y varios de sus miebros fueron procesados por la Inquisición, Salomón Machorro vivía en Querétaro.
Hay varios libros sobre éstos procesos, pero en el siguiente artículo hay un resumen:
www.enlacejudio.com/2017/04/19/algunos-datos-interesantes-auto-fe-inqui…
Por cierto la palabra nahuatlalo significa que la persona es intérprete de la lengua náhuatl, aunque lo escriben con diferentes ortografías como naguatato. Las personas que servían como intérpretes de lenguas eran conocidas como "bocas" o que tenían "oficio de boca".
Saludos
Marcelina
Simón Baéz Sevilla
Gracias Marcelina por la información sobre Simón Baéz Sevilla.
Ricardo A. Ricci
Baez
Here's a book that talks about him:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Epw_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=%22S…
Baez y el judaísmo
Gracias Marcelina y Danny,
Es muy interesante saber que habían establecido sinogogas in Los Altos De Jalisco en ese tiempo. También es interesante que estas mismas personas manejaban la venta de esclavos por unos años. Muy religiosos en un sentido, pero también traían y vendían esclavos.
Ricardo A. Ricci
Baez y el judaísmo
i didnt know they had actual jewish people in Los Altos. I thought Jewish people had to stay secret so they wouldnt get persecuted.
Baez y el judaísmo
Simon Vaez De Sevilla received many people into his home where he kept many of his family traditions. His place was known to be a place they could worship in secrecy. Many people from Portugal, many of them close and distant relatives from the Levi tribe, would visit him upon their first arrival to the Americas. His wife was related to him “tercer con cuarto grado”. Many relatives tried to keep their Jewish roots secret in order to avoid persecution. The stories of the Vaez family came to light from accusations made against them.
Gaspar González o Burro (nickname) married Leonor Vaez. Gaspar was “cobrador y administrador de rentas reales en Portugal. Gaspar and Leonor are the parents of Simon (their youngest son).
“Simón Vaez Sevilla De Castelo Blanco” (Simáo Vaz de Sevilha en Portugal) married his relative Juana Enriquez (daughter of Juan Antonio Rodriguez and Blanca Enriquez) (Juana y Simon fueron primos en tercer con quarto grado)
Juan Antonio Rodriguez And Blanca Enriquez were married in the house of Juan Antonio’s cousin, Pedro Arias Maldonado. Blanca Enriquez is the daughter of Juana Rodriguez.
Simon Vaez was born in Santiago De Castilla and raised in Castelo Blanco, Portugal.
The Enriquez family descended from rabbi Yitzhak Aboab from the Levi tribe. This rabbi Yitzhak Aboab (alive in 1300) is the author of three books and is the ancestor of the other rabbi Yitzhak (Isaac Aboab) De Castilla, (born in 1433 in Toledo, died in January, 1493, in Portugal). This family believed that the messiah was to be born from their family. Since it was the second rabbi Yitzhak Aboab De Castilla that went to Portugal (dying a few months after arriving), the family descends from him. The first Yitzhak Aboab is the most famous one as his books were read by many people. Many internet articles erroneously attribute some of the writings of the first Yitzhak Aboab to his descendant the Yitzhak Aboab De Castilla that actually took his family took Portugal. Many of his descendants were forced to leave Portugal and spread out throughout the known world. Some went to Italy, others to Holland, while many others went to the Americas were they were received by Simon Vaez Sevilla. As a descendant of Rabbi Yitzhak Ahoub, it is no wonder that Blanca Enriquez was a scholar in her own right. She was proficient in many languages and engaged her family in religious discussions and traditions. Blancas relatives that went to Italy continued writing and were highly sought out by other Jewish leaders. Some Descendants of another Rabbi that traveled to Portugal with rabbi Yitzhak Aboab converted to Catholicism under the forced conversions and too the surnames Rodríguez and Nunez. Taking into account that the families traveled to Portugal together and the endogamy we find in this family, it is most probable that the Baez Rodriguez Enriquez clan descends from both of these rabbis. This second rabbi did not convert and left Portugal and traveled the world. He predicted the end of the world in a certain year which came to be true for him as he died in that year.
My Romo family openly spoke amongst themselves of their roots, but embraced Catholicism with many family members becoming priests and nuns. Santo Toribio Romo was a close member of my maternal grandfather’s family. Many relatives that came from Mexico to celebrate my mom’s 90th birthday this past Saturday recounted many stories that I will be adding to my book.
R.A. Ricci
Baez
Wow this is really interesting. Do you think that this Simon Baez Sevilla is the father of the Simon Baez that's married to Maria de la Cerda or do you think it might be the same person that just remarried?
Baez
I believe that he is ether the father or uncle. At first I thought uncle because I read somewhere that he had two kids, but another source mentioned that he had more kids and that he left many descendants San Juan De los Lagos. There is still much research to be done to identify his descendants and the descendants of the people around Simon Baez Sevilla. The two rabbis that went to Portugal left descendants that had to leave Portugal. The names mentioned of descendants of theirs that were forced to convert are Rodriguez and Nunez. And we know that many of the Rodriguez descendants also used the surnames Lopez and Enriquez. Of particular interest to me are the Rodriguez, Núñez, Enriquez, Lopez, and Arias De Maldonado descendants in Los Altos De Jalisco. This information on Simon Vaez Sevilla, and who his ancestors and relatives were, settles the issue about anusim in Nueva Galicia, particularly Los Altos De Jalisco.
Simon Vaez Sevilla’s parents are related through third/fourth degree which means one of them is a second cousin to a parent of the other. And many of the people that came to the Americas and went to him first are said to be relatives. One of them was surnamed Arias Maldonado and it seems that this person is the most likely patriarch of the Arias Maldonado family in Nueva Galicia. Because of the threat of the inquisition many of these people would have gone to great lengths to hide their ancestry. Even Simon Baez Sevilla tried to hide who his ancestors were as he had originally claimed to be a descendant of “christiano viejo”.
There are parrallels in Simon Vaez Sevilla’s ancestry to the ancestry that I posted on Toribio Hernández Arellano. They both had ancestors that managed the assets of a king, were big time traders and shippers of goods, and they both were involved in situations where people turned on them because of their much wealth. The inquisition took in lots of money by attacking their families. A big difference is that Simon Vaez Sevilla’s two rabbi ancestors that went from Spain to Portugal, and an ancestor to one of the rabbis, also named Yitzhak Aboab, left many books, mainly commentaries, that the Jewish community cherished.
Rick A. Ricci
Arias Maldonado
Hi Rick,
All this information is fascinating! In case it helps D. Alonso Arias Maldonado y Pérez de Guzmán and his wife Da. Catalina Ortiz de Zárate y Hurtado de Mendoza are the patriarchs of the Arias Maldonado family of the Obispado de Michoacan and Nueva Galicia. They established their family in Tlazazalca, Michoacán where he also served as Justicia Mayor of Tlazazalca y La Barca and have their nobility documented through several dispensas and limpiezas de sangre--they are my 9th great grand uncle and aunt. I have eight children documented for them baptized between 1640-1660.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Arias Maldonado
Thanks Daniel,
I need to do much more research on the Aria Maldonado family. I descend from them, but I have not spent much time researching this family.
Arias Maldonado
Buen dia. Indagando en la Sagrada Mitra de Valladolid he encontrado al menos a tres cabezas de familias españolas con la misma edad de Alonso Arias Maldonado viviendo en Michoacan, estos son: Juan Arias, hijo de Rodrigo Arias; Mateo Arias Maldonado, hijo de Andres Arias Maldonado y, por supuesto a Alonso Arias Maldonado.
Arias Maldonado
Gracias Verónica por la información que hay más Arias Maldonados en este tiempo en Nueva Galicia.
Ricardo A. Ricci
Hi!
Hi! Sorry but could you share the information of the dispensas and limpiezas de sangre of Alonso Arias Maldonado and Catalina Ortiz de Zarate? They're my 12th grandparents and I'm trying to gather more information about them.
Thank you in advance!
Enriquez Jewish descent
Just after posting the comment about the Enriquez family in Jalisco being from Jewish descent from the family of Simon Baez Sevilla and his wife, I went to the airport to drop off my sister who is returning to Mexico. As my sister was waiting in line to get her boarding pass, A woman was having trouble getting her boarding pass from the computer terminal signin so I volunteered to helped her out. As I handed her the boarding pass I told her that my hobby was genealogy and that I had just posted on the internet about an Enriquez family with Jewish ancestors that left many descendants Jalisco. She lit up with the biggest smile and told me that that explains her husbands dna results.
Rick A. Ricci
Baez
Wow this is really interesting. Thank you for sharing.
Baez
Dear Danny,
Rabbi Abraham Zacuto was the other rabbi that accompanied rabbi Yitzhak Aboab to Portugal. Yitzhak died a few months after arriving, in the beginning of the following year in January 1493. It is rabbi Abraham Zacuto’s descendants that later converted to Catholicism that were known to use the surnames Núñez and Rodriguez
Rabbi Abraham Zacuto was a world renowned scientist in his time as he wrote a very important book about how to navigate using the stars. He did not invent, but he improved on a very important invention, the astrolabe. He made a metal astrolabe that was more accurate and was easier to use in the open sea. Christopher Colombus used his charts and his astrolabe to not only help him navigate in the open sea, but to trick the Indians into believing that he should be treated with respect by using the astrolabe to accurately predict an eclipse.
I will send you a picture of him through email.
Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000
Rabbi Abraham Zacuto’s descendants
What was shocking to Mrs. Enriquez and her husband was that his DNA results showed that his ancestry was primarily Jewish and had little of the ancestry that he had expected. His wife’DNA sample did come back as they had expected with much European ancestry, some Native American ancestry, with smaller amounts from different areas.
Dr. Vladimir Rozenblit is a 20th generation direct descendant of rabbi Abraham Zacuto. It would be interesting to compare the DNA of Dr. Vladimir Rozenblit to the DNA of Mr. Enriquez, the husband of the woman that I met at the airport. I did get contact info from her. I will try to contact Dr. Vladimir Rozenblit and see if he will agree to the comparison of the DNA samples.
Rick A. Ricci
Rabbi Abraham ben Samuel Zacuto’s Enriquez descendentes
1. Abraham Zacuto (b.1395, d.1475)
2. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1425, Salamanca, d.1490)
3. Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto (b.12/Aug/1452 in Salamanca, d.either in 1515 or 1520 in Damascus, Syria) [one source says 1515 while another source says 1520.]
4. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1475 Salamnca, d. 1540 Damascus, Syria)
5. first name unknown Ben Samuel Zacuto (b. 1500, d. 1590) who changed his surname to Nunez. ( his descendants used the surnames Nunez, Rodriguez and Enriquez (Anrique), and Zacuto)
6. Núñez Zacuto (b.1540, Spain, d. 1612 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
7. Moses Enriquez Zacuto is the son of Núñez Zacuto (b.1576 Portugal, d.Coltun, Hamburg)
8. Mordecai Anrique Zacuto (b.1598 Amsterdam, Netherlands, d. 1665 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
Rabbi Abraham ben Samuel Zacuto’s Enriquez descendentes
1. Abraham Zacuto (b.1395, d.1475)
2. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1425, Salamanca, d.1490)
3. Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto (b.12/Aug/1452 in Salamanca, d.either in 1515 or 1520 in Damascus, Syria) [one source says 1515 while another source says 1520.]
4. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1475 Salamnca, d. 1540 Damascus, Syria)
5. first name unknown Ben Samuel Zacuto (b. 1500, d. 1590) who changed his surname to Nunez. ( his descendants used the surnames Nunez, Rodriguez and Enriquez (Anrique), and Zacuto)
6. Núñez Zacuto (b.1540, Spain, d. 1612 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
7. Moses Enriquez Zacuto is the son of Núñez Zacuto (b.1576 Portugal, d.Coltun, Hamburg)
8. Mordecai Anrique Zacuto (b.1598 Amsterdam, Netherlands, d. 1665 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
Rabbi Abraham ben Samuel Zacuto’s Enriquez descendants
1. Abraham Zacuto (b.1395, d.1475)
2. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1425, Salamanca, d.1490)
3. Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto (b.12/Aug/1452 in Salamanca, d.either in 1515 or 1520 in Damascus, Syria) [one source says 1515 while another source says 1520.]
4. Samuel Abraham Zacuto (b.1475 Salamnca, d. 1540 Damascus, Syria)
5. first name unknown Ben Samuel Zacuto (b. 1500, d. 1590) who changed his surname to Nunez. ( his descendants used the surnames Nunez, Rodriguez and Enriquez (Anrique), and Zacuto)
6. Núñez Zacuto (b.1540, Spain, d. 1612 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
7. Moses Enriquez Zacuto is the son of Núñez Zacuto (b.1576 Portugal, d.Coltun, Hamburg)
8. Mordecai Anrique Zacuto (b.1598 Amsterdam, Netherlands, d. 1665 Amsterdam, Netherlands)
Rabbi Zacuto and Gabriel Sanchez
This following passage was written by the Zacuto Foundation:
“When Christopher Columbus arrived in Spain, he met with the great astronomer and received a copy of the tables. This manuscript with the marginalia of Columbus is extant in the Colombian library in Portugal. It is often said that Zacuto was also instrumental in raising a big loan for Columbus with the tycoons Abraham Senior, Gabriel Sanchez and Luis de Santangel. A prominent man of Jewish origin, Senior embraced Christianity, while Santangel and Sanchez were born into a recently baptised family. Zacuto also introduced Columbus to Don Isaac Abravanel, a Jewish notable with great influence at the Court, and he arranged for the navigator’s audience with the King and the Queen. Soon Columbus set sail to America, bearing the Zacuto tables with him. The family tradition insists that a young Zacuto, a son of R. Abraham, sailed with him, and accompanied him in all his journeys. If so, this young man was the first Jew on the American soil. It is possible that he advised the Genoese navigator to use his father’s tables in the moment of need. During Columbus’ last voyage to America (1504), his small fleet was marooned on Jamaica, where the natives did not want to supply him and his sailors with food. The Zacuto's tables provided him with a way out as they indicated there would soon (on February 29, 1504) be a lunar eclipse. Columbus assembled the Caciques (as the native chiefs were called) and threatened them that he will banish the moonlight. The eclipse frightened the natives and they asked Columbus to save the moon. Columbus acquiesced, the eclipse passed and since then the Caciques respected him and provided with all he needed, says the legend.”
The Gabriel Sanchez in the above passage was one of Christopher Colombus’s best friends. He is the brother of Alfonso Sanchez II who i wrote about in the post about the ancestry of Torino Hernandez Arellano. In that thread, Daniel Mendez del Camino contributed that Toribio Hernández Arellano named his son Gabriel Sanchez.
Christopher Colombus’s father was a businessman that had much contact with the Sanchez family so they may have been the ones to put him into contact with Rabbi Abraham Zacuto. Colombus met with Zacuto in Castilla as Zacuto had not yet moved to Portugal. Zacuto moved to Portugal in 1492.
There were other Jews on that first trip. Alfonso Sanchez’s nephew was on the trip. But he was technically not Jewish as he had converted to Catholicism.
Rick A. Ricci