Arturo, thank you so much for taking the time to share the article and your thoughts. My ethnic world, knowledge and curiosity expands daily on this genealogy site! Asians in Mexico before 1650 never even entered my thoughts..

Like Ernie I'm beginning to feel like a child of the world not limited by borders or surnames.. how wonderful! I haven't had my Castanon DNA done yet but nothing will surprise me now. I thought the biggest surprise for me and my family was when I found Mulato ancestors but Asian is even a bigger surprise.. I was also surprised that I didn't find anyone else with Haplogroup N in Gary Felix's site.. Nice to be the first.
Linda in B.C.

arturoramos wrote:

Linda:

This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.

The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.

Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/con…

The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as "Chinos." 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20

Arturo,

I'm not sure where or if I'm supposed to post my Gutierrez YDNA but these are the numbers:

FTDNA Haplogroup

Haplogroup
Tests
N
-
Your Haplogroup has not been determined by a specific test. Use the Haplogroup link on the left to find out about it, and if we were able to predict it.

FTDNA DYS markers

We provide the actual scientific Allele values and DYS #'s for your results unless the markers were discovered at the University of Arizona and do not have a publication schedule. When that situation occurs we provide your results in "scores" to allow us to use the marker without compromising the discoverer until publication dates have been established.

We are pleased to report your results below:
Understanding your results.
Locus
DYS#
Alleles
1
393
14
2
390
23
3
19*
14
4
391
11
5
385a
11
6
385b
14
7
426
11
8
388
12
9
439

10
10
389-1
14
11
392
14
12
389-2
30
*Also known as DYS 394

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Arturo,

I find this very interesting, and I was wondering what my father was talking about concerning "chinos" in Mexico. When I was in high school and college I would invite Filipino and Chinese fellow students (young men) that approached me to our home. I think they thought I was Asian at first. My father later said, "what is wrong with you, bringing these Filipinos and Chinos here?" I told him I found them interesting, intelligent, and that we were interested in each others' ethnicity, etc. Then I asked him why he didn't like them, and he said, "Because they came to Mexico and started marrying our women". (My father was very provincial in his thinking despite having lived in the US since he was 10 years old in 1913). Was there a period of Asian immigration to Mexico around the turn of the 20th century that he would have heard about? He only lived in Jerez for 10 years, from his year of birth to 1913.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat

Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,

Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.

Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.

Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.

Alicia

Alicia,

>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.

Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.

Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.

Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Patricia Corbera wrote:

>Alicia,
>
> From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>
> Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>
> Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>
1) log in

2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description

3) go to "create content"

4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format

5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives

6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"

7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again

8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process

9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
step for you and then #'s 5-8]

hope this wasn't too confusing,

joseph

>
> to be continued
> Pat
>
>Patricia Corbera
wrote:
> Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>Sincerely,
>Pat
>
>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>Patricia,
>
>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>
>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>
>Saludos,
>Alicia
>
>
>
>