Arturo,
Is Saucedo, a spelling variation for Salsedo/Salcedo/Salzedo?
I would be interested in reading what you have on the names that the
"indigenous," individuals used, absent of a surname...
On one of the lines that I am researching I have come across a Maria De La
Candelaria Salzedo Santa Maria bapt. Feb 1736 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,
daughter of Joseph De Santa Maria y Juana Salzedo. Joseph's father is
mentioned as a Diego Thomas, married to Francisca Thomasa Santa Maria on 17
June 1710. Diego's parents are noted as being Juan Francisco y Ana
Agustina ... would this be an example of the naming practice of our
"indigenous," ancestors? Is Santa Maria considered a surname?
Pat Silva Corbera

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> I have found in my research several lineages where the maternal names
> survived for up to three generations. In some cases it was because the
> father did not have a surname (i.e. was indigenous) and thus the maternal
> one was given to the child by default. In such cases, the husband
> sometimes appears with his wife's name as well.
>
> Iin other cases it appears to be that the maternal side had the land and
> prestige and was perhaps lacking of male heirs so the children took on the
> mother's name in order to propagate that name.
>
> Then there is a peculiar tradition of naming women after grandmothers
> whereby they are given the entire name so if the grandmother was named
> Maria Saucedo, the mother was named Ana Ortiz and the father Lorenzo
> Miramontes, the daugher would be named not Maria Miramontes and not even
> Maria Ortiz, but Maria Saucedo just like her grandmother, thus she would
> carry her mother's mother's maiden name.
>
> The term maiden name in Latin America is somewhat redundant because women
> don't really change their names, thus they have a name in their maiden
> lives that remains their name in their married lives. In modern times the
> practice of attaching a "de" husdband's name after their own has become
> commonplace, but that is not considered the woman's name.
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> On my mother's side I am the fourth generation to use the maternal suname.
>
> Because my great grandfather was the product of rape.
>
> Since 1858 our family has been proud to bear the name of the 14 year-old
> victim of that rape, Maria de las Nieves Porras.
>
> I'm told there maybe a picture of her somewhere, but I haven't found it.
> I did find that she was baptized in 1858 at the same time as her son.
> I found her grave, and could at least leave her flowers. She is buried
> with her son.
>
> Although the rapist later loved his son and legitimized his parentage
> legally, my ggrandfather chose not to bear the name Gallardo.
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> ---- arturoramos wrote:
>>
>> I have found in my research several lineages where the maternal names
>> survived for up to three generations. In some cases it was because the
>> father did not have a surname (i.e. was indigenous) and thus the maternal
>> one was given to the child by default. In such cases, the husband
>> sometimes appears with his wife's name as well.
>>
>> Iin other cases it appears to be that the maternal side had the land and
>> prestige and was perhaps lacking of male heirs so the children took on
>> the mother's name in order to propagate that name.
>>
>> Then there is a peculiar tradition of naming women after grandmothers
>> whereby they are given the entire name so if the grandmother was named
>> Maria Saucedo, the mother was named Ana Ortiz and the father Lorenzo
>> Miramontes, the daugher would be named not Maria Miramontes and not even
>> Maria Ortiz, but Maria Saucedo just like her grandmother, thus she would
>> carry her mother's mother's maiden name.
>>
>> The term maiden name in Latin America is somewhat redundant because women
>> don't really change their names, thus they have a name in their maiden
>> lives that remains their name in their married lives. In modern times
>> the practice of attaching a "de" husdband's name after their own has
>> become commonplace, but that is not considered the woman's name.