Thomas Alba Edison

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Emilie,

Almost all the family of my father come from Encarnación de Diaz, San Juan, Lagos and Aguascalientes.
If you give the name of the grant grand parents and grand parents of your husband, maybe we can know if we are relatives.
I have information from the San Juan de los Lagos "de Alba" since 1600s for the Perez since 1700s.
The name of the grand father of my father is Pastor Perez Lozano, the husband of Maria de los Angeles de Alba Jimenez that mention in my first mail.
The parents of Pastor were: Jose Guadalupe Perez(b.1825) and Ma de la Cruz Lozano Perez(b.9may 1828 in Encarnacion).

Thanks for your comments and the information from Thomas Alva Edison.

Juan Cristobal
San Luis Potosí, Mx

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie Garcia
Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Septiembre de 2008 04:35 p.m.
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Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Juan Cristobal,

My husband is a descendant of the de Albas, Martins, Perez, Magdaleno, and Garcia from Jalisco. Maybe you and he are related in some way? They were in Encarnacion de Diaz in the 1800s. Some of his ancestors also came from San Juan and Lagos.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
Someone Know something about?

Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father, she was born in San juan de los Lagos
Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).

Best regards
J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.

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HELLO EMILI WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DO'N KNOW NOBODY ELSE WITH THAT NAME UNLESS IT IS A SPANISH LAST NAME, OCCORDING TO THIS NUNE THE STORY GOES LIKE THIS, ALVA'S MOM GOT PREGNANT WITH OUT BEEN MARRIED SHE WAS FROM A RICH FAMILY FROM SAN JUANS DE LOS LAGOS, SO THEY SENT HER TO USA TO HIDE THE PREGNANCY, IF YOU SEE ALVA'S BIOGRAPHY THERE IS NO FATHER JUST THE MOTHER, SO IT IS POSSIBLE DON YOU THINK?, WE AS MEXICAN DESSERV A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIVIDLY.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ.
-------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia" : --------------

No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was
> Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN To:
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
>
> Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a
> lot to increase my trees.
> Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> Someone Know something about?
>
> Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father,
> she was born in San juan de los Lagos
> Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas
> del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
> Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
>
>
>
> Best regards
> J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.
>

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Luis Miguel,

Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez.

According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's first name was Alva. I have seen Alva used as a first name in several lists of English people. I think people in Mexico find it hard to believe that Alva can be someone's first or middle name and not their surname because in Mexico it is used only as a surname. Some people in Mexico even have said that his name was Tomas de Alba de Edison, thinking the way they do in Mexico that he used his father's name and then his mother's name, but his father was an Edison. His mother was an Elliott. In Mexico he would be known as Tomas Edison Elliott. See?

Perhaps people in Mexico want Thomas Alva Edison to be Mexican so badly because he was one of the most famous and best scientists the world has ever known. But there are too many stories from so many parts of Mexico, and not from Spain, where Alba is a common surname, that it gets less and less credible as time goes on. My husband is a descendant of the Albas or de Albas in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, and in my research I have never run into any evidence that the inventor was born in Jalisco or anywhere in Mexico.

So, the story to me is a myth, like the one about Walt Disney. I don't know where that story came from, but that is another myth.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

HELLO EMILI WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DO'N KNOW NOBODY ELSE WITH THAT NAME UNLESS IT IS A SPANISH LAST NAME, OCCORDING TO THIS NUNE THE STORY GOES LIKE THIS, ALVA'S MOM GOT PREGNANT WITH OUT BEEN MARRIED SHE WAS FROM A RICH FAMILY FROM SAN JUANS DE LOS LAGOS, SO THEY SENT HER TO USA TO HIDE THE PREGNANCY, IF YOU SEE ALVA'S BIOGRAPHY THERE IS NO FATHER JUST THE MOTHER, SO IT IS POSSIBLE DON YOU THINK?, WE AS MEXICAN DESSERV A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIVIDLY.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ.
-------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia" >: --------------

No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was
> Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN To:
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
>
> Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a
> lot to increase my trees.
> Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> Someone Know something about?
>
> Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father,
> she was born in San juan de los Lagos
> Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas
> del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
> Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
>
>
>
> Best regards
> J. Cristobal Villalobos LomelÃn.
>

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HI EMILIE
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER THIS IS WHAT ALL WE NEED AND ARE LOOKING FOR. THE ANSWER BASE ON REAL FACTS, I WISH I CAN GET THE RIGHT ANSWER TO AL THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG TO DREAM, BECAUSE THIS DREAM OR MYTHS IS WHAT KEEP US MOTIVATED IN THIS QUEST, I GROW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN JALISCO AND IT WAS VERY DELIGHTFULL TO LISEN THIS TYPE OF HISTORIES FROM THE ELDER.
BEEN MEXICAN DOES NOT MEANS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ANY OTHER NAMES OR SURNAMES, IT IS JUST THAT AS I SAID IS FUN TO LISEN AND DREAM ABOUT IT,
SALUDOS.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
-------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia" : --------------

> Luis Miguel,
> Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there
> claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez.
> According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's first name was
> Alva. I have seen Alva used as a first name in several lists of English people.
> I think people in Mexico find it hard to believe that Alva can be someone's
> first or middle name and not their surname because in Mexico it is used only as
> a surname. Some people in Mexico even have said that his name was Tomas de Alba
> de Edison, thinking the way they do in Mexico that he used his father's name and
> then his mother's name, but his father was an Edison. His mother was an
> Elliott. In Mexico he would be known as Tomas Edison Elliott. See?
>
> Perhaps people in Mexico want Thomas Alva Edison to be Mexican so badly because
> he was one of the most famous and best scientists the world has ever known. But
> there are too many stories from so many parts of Mexico, and not from Spain,
> where Alba is a common surname, that it gets less and less credible as time goes
> on. My husband is a descendant of the Albas or de Albas in Encarnacion de Diaz,
> Jalisco, and in my research I have never run into any evidence that the inventor
> was born in Jalisco or anywhere in Mexico.
>
> So, the story to me is a myth, like the one about Walt Disney. I don't know
> where that story came from, but that is another myth.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
> HELLO EMILI WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DO'N KNOW NOBODY ELSE WITH THAT NAME
> UNLESS IT IS A SPANISH LAST NAME, OCCORDING TO THIS NUNE THE STORY GOES LIKE
> THIS, ALVA'S MOM GOT PREGNANT WITH OUT BEEN MARRIED SHE WAS FROM A RICH FAMILY
> FROM SAN JUANS DE LOS LAGOS, SO THEY SENT HER TO USA TO HIDE THE PREGNANCY, IF
> YOU SEE ALVA'S BIOGRAPHY THERE IS NO FATHER JUST THE MOTHER, SO IT IS POSSIBLE
> DON YOU THINK?, WE AS MEXICAN DESSERV A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIVIDLY.
> SALUDOS
> LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ.
> -------------- Original message from "Emilie Garcia"
> >: --------------
>
> No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case
> of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that
> had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was
> > Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN To:
> >
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> > In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a
> > lot to increase my trees.
> > Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his
> mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> > relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> > Someone Know something about?
> >
> > Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my
> father,
> > she was born in San juan de los Lagos
> > Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her
> Felicitas
> > del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834).
> > Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> > Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > J. Cristobal Villalobos LomelÃn.
> >
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Hi there Emilie ,

Just to keep things in perspectice I would like to clear things up at least for my part .

I did not say that I believe that Thomas was from Coahuila , I stated that people from there mentioned it to me . So, let's not blow this out of porportion and read correctly what is written .

Until someone can prove otherwise he's from the good ol US of A !

Take care,
Welester

> Luis Miguel,> > Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez. > > According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's
first name was Alva. I have seen Alva used as a first name in several lists of English people. I think people in Mexico find it hard to believe that Alva can be someone's first or middle name and not their surname because in Mexico it is used only as a surname. Some people in Mexico even have said that his name was Tomas de Alba de Edison, thinking the way they do in Mexico that he used his father's name and then his mother's name, but his father was an Edison. His mother was an Elliott. In Mexico he would be known as Tomas Edison Elliott. See?> > Perhaps people in Mexico want Thomas Alva Edison to be Mexican so badly because he was one of the most famous and best scientists the world has ever known. But there are too many stories from so many parts of Mexico, and not from Spain, where Alba is a common surname, that it gets less and less credible as time goes on. My husband is a descendant of the Albas or de Albas in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, and in my research I have n
ever run into any evidence that the inventor was born in Jalisco or anywhere in Mexico. > > So, the story to me is a myth, like the one about Walt Disney. I don't know where that story came from, but that is another myth. > > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA
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I found the family of Thomas Alva Edison listed in the Census of 1850 for Milan, Erie County, Ohio.

Samuel Edison age 45, born in Nova Scotia
Nancy Edison age 40, born in New York
William P. age 19, born in Canada
Harriet V. age 16, born in Canada
Alana [?] (male) age 3, born in Ohio
Stephen Elliott age 55, born in Conn [Connecticut?]

That little 3 year old boy must really be "Alva", not Alana, and he was born in 1847, the year Thomas was born. This family is also listed in later American censuses, so it doesn't look like any of them ever went to Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:35 AM
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HI, CRISTOVAL, THIS SOUNDS CRASY BUT I WENT TO A CATHOLIC COLEGE IN MEXICO THERE WAS THIS NUNE TEACHING FROM SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS SE TOLD ME SOME LIKE THAT AND EVERY TIME I TOLK ABOUT IT NO BODY BELIVE ME.
GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH PRIMO
-------------- Original message from JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN >: --------------

>
> Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot
> to increase my trees.
> Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> Someone Know something about?
> Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father,
> she was born in San juan de los Lagos Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas
> del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834). Her GrandParents for the father side are Jose Maria Martin De Alba Perez
> Franco(b.1798) y Ma. Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia(b.1801).
>
>
>
> Best regards
> J. Cristobal Villalobos Lomelín.
>

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HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
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> de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y una de Thomas Alva
> Edison jurarias que tienen algo que ver...en fin..tal vez nunca lo sabremos Lety
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Lety (y demás), a mi me platicaron algunas personas que ya fallecieron también la misma historia que la que te contaron, pero además, según eso que para que no fueran a saber que Tomas Alva (Alvarez) Edison no era estadounidense por tantas cosas que inventó, le expidieron un acta donde decía que fue nacido en Estados Unidos. Sería bueno saber si la persona que dice Emily se trata del mismo Alva Edison o quizás sea otra persona apegada a la familia Edison. Una muestra de su ADN también sería ideal para verificar sus orígenes.

No tienes la foto que mencionas para ver el parecido que había con tus antepasados?

Saludos,

Ricardo

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Enviado el: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:15 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
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> Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > <> Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta acta
> de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y una de Thomas Alva
> Edison jurarias que tienen algo que ver...en fin..tal vez nunca lo sabremos Lety
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Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los estados unidos.

Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847, y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Lety (y demás), a mi me platicaron algunas personas que ya fallecieron también la misma historia que la que te contaron, pero además, según eso que para que no fueran a saber que Tomas Alva (Alvarez) Edison no era estadounidense por tantas cosas que inventó, le expidieron un acta donde decía que fue nacido en Estados Unidos. Sería bueno saber si la persona que dice Emily se trata del mismo Alva Edison o quizás sea otra persona apegada a la familia Edison. Una muestra de su ADN también sería ideal para verificar sus orígenes.

No tienes la foto que mencionas para ver el parecido que había con tus antepasados?

Saludos,

Ricardo

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HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
SALUDOS
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> Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > <> Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta acta
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Luis Miguel, muy amable..y ay oigan a mi la verdad me da igualito si es mi tio tatarabuelo o no, no tengo interes ni moral ni economico en el asunto y soy suficientemente valiosa en mi propia vida como para vivir del chisme de una persona famosa, por muy famosa que sea, los que estamos en esto de la genealogia sabemos que muchos entran queriendo averiguar lo nobles o reales que eran sus ancestros y terminan sabiendo que eran hijos no legitimos de sabe Dios quien, N'est pas? que mas da, se trata de ser buenas personas..
Solo quise compartir lo que me dijo mi abuelita que le dijo su abuelita porque me parecio curioso que en los ultimos 100 anos hemos vivido en el D.F. y que esa historia no es la que esta de moda en Jalisco o se saco de un chat (que por supuesto no habia) sino que ue de generacion a generacion y de verdad la senora vivia acongojada por el hermano.. luego hasta di con el acta que me confundio y que bueno que mi abuela no vivio para saber esos tecnicismos, pero hoy gracias a ustedes encontre a 3 parientes de los que cuentan esa misma historia en otro lugar y estan relacionados directamente con mi familia!!! y eso si es muy bueno..de todos modos si alguien tiene mas sobre los de Alva Alba, sobre todo si alguna estaba casada con Simon De la Mora se los agradeceria muchisimo..thank you Lety Reynoso> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:59:28 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los estados unidos. > > Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847, y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Rodriguez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> >
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Estimada Leticia Reynoso muchas gracias por tus cometarios.
Si me pudieses dar mas datos de tus ancestros de Alba, donde nacieron, yo
tengo información de los de Alba de San Juan de los Lagos.
Posiblemente pudiésemos encontrar información.
Saludos
J. Cristóbal Villalobos

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Luis Miguel, muy amable..y ay oigan a mi la verdad me da igualito si es mi
tio tatarabuelo o no, no tengo interes ni moral ni economico en el asunto y
soy suficientemente valiosa en mi propia vida como para vivir del chisme de
una persona famosa, por muy famosa que sea, los que estamos en esto de la
genealogia sabemos que muchos entran queriendo averiguar lo nobles o reales
que eran sus ancestros y terminan sabiendo que eran hijos no legitimos de
sabe Dios quien, N'est pas? que mas da, se trata de ser buenas personas..
Solo quise compartir lo que me dijo mi abuelita que le dijo su abuelita
porque me parecio curioso que en los ultimos 100 anos hemos vivido en el
D.F. y que esa historia no es la que esta de moda en Jalisco o se saco de un
chat (que por supuesto no habia) sino que ue de generacion a generacion y de
verdad la senora vivia acongojada por el hermano.. luego hasta di con el
acta que me confundio y que bueno que mi abuela no vivio para saber esos
tecnicismos, pero hoy gracias a ustedes encontre a 3 parientes de los que
cuentan esa misma historia en otro lugar y estan relacionados directamente
con mi familia!!! y eso si es muy bueno..de todos modos si alguien tiene mas
sobre los de Alva Alba, sobre todo si alguna estaba casada con Simon De la
Mora se los agradeceria muchisimo..thank you Lety Reynoso> From:
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25
Sep 2008 17:59:28 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison>
> Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en
laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se
podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido
era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su
padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los
estados unidos. > > Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada
or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en
aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847,
y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico
quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?> >
Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick
Rodriguez > To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent:
Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas
Alba Edison> >
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I concur.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:02 PM
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

It seems to me that we have discussed Tom a good bit. He is resting
peacefully (I hope) so maybe we can let him rest for awhile, what do you
think? But if someone finds a good baptism record or tantalizing piece
of factual information showing evidence to old Tom's Mexican roots well
please bring it on. Why don't we give him a bit of a rest for now or
possibly take it to private email. As always I'm not telling folks what
to do just thinking that this might be best for all.

Hemos hablado de Tomas un poco ya. El esta descansando (Ojala que si)
que piensan de que lo dejamos descansar por un rato? Pero si alguien
tiene un acto de baptismo o un acto deliciosio de informacion factual
ensenyando preva de Tomas' conexcion a Mejico bueno mandalo al grupo
para que todos pueden verlo. Porque no horita dejamos a Tomas un
descanso o si quieren lleva la conversacion a correo electronicos
privados. No estoy diciendo que tienen que hacer esto nomas que pienso
que es bueno para todos.

joseph

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Hola J.Cristobal:
Desgraciadamente todo lo que se de ellos es lo que mi abuela me decia cuando me contaba cuentos, que Simon de la Mora (creo que Tostado) era dueño de la tienda del Pueblo estaba casado con alguien quien no recuerdo en este momento se apellidaba de Alba (creo que Alvarez del Castillo)y que tuvo 13 hijos, Cleto,Josefina, Victoriano,Eberarda , Carlos y otros mas que en cuanto los encuentre pues es una rama que tengo muy abandonada pero te la voy a buscar.. Eberarda de la Mora era mi bisabuela pero a mi me encanta buscar... si quieres te ayudo a buscar nexos de esa familia que seguramente es la mia..los de la Mora creo an de Tepatitlan donde el unico Simon con registros estaba casado con Juana de Alba pero si creo que los De Alba eran de San Juan de los lagos. Si estas atorado en algun punto me ofrezco a ayudar en lo que pueda...saludo L. Reynoso
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Hola compañeros, no se si tengan el dato, pero Simón de la Mora y Juana de Alba casaron en Tepatitlán el día 31 de agosto de 1864. Simón es hijo de José María Rudecindo de la Mora Gallegos y Dorotea Martín del Campo Ochoa; y Juana de Alba es hija de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez.

Si alguno de ustedes tiene el dato de los padres de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez se los agradecería muchísimo si me proporcionan el dato.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hay, Luis,

No puede ser. El nombre del inventor, su apellido, fue Edison Elliott, Thomas Alva fue el nombre cristiano baptizado, como tu eres Luis Miguel. El inventor no era Alba. Los descendientes de el inventor saben donde y cuando nacio y donde vivia despues. Tus monjitas son como los demas en mexico como en coahuila y zacatecas que creen que el apellido era Alba, pero estan equivocados como te conte antes. No era de ningun linea Alba o Alva. Thomas Edison estaba en Ohio y Michigan desde 1847. De casado vivia en New Jersey y Florida.

Emilie
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
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> Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > <> Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta acta
> de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y una de Thomas Alva
> Edison jurarias que tienen algo que ver...en fin..tal vez nunca lo sabremos Lety
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HOLA OTRA VEZ EMILIE

YO NO DIJO QUE ASI SEA NOMAS COMPARTO LO QUE OI DE NINO EN LA ESCUELA NO TIENE NADA DE MALO SUPONER. YO SE QUE LO MAS PROBLABLE ES QUE NO SEA CIERTO PERO UNO NUNCA SABE LA VIDA NOS DA SORPRESAS SIEMPRE HAY UNA POSIBILIDAD, NO CREES. AL FINAL DE CUENTAS ES UNA FANTASIA COMO CASI TODO EN LA VIDA.

SALUDOS.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ

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> Hay, Luis,
> No puede ser. El nombre del inventor, su apellido, fue Edison Elliott, Thomas Alva fue el nombre cristiano baptizado, como tu eres Luis Miguel. El inventor no era Alba. Los descendientes de el inventor saben donde y cuando nacio y donde vivia despues. Tus monjitas son como los demas en mexico como en coahuila y zacatecas que creen que el apellido era Alba, pero estan equivocados como te conte antes. No era de ningun linea Alba o Alva. Thomas Edison estaba en Ohio
> y Michigan desde 1847. De casado vivia en New Jersey y Florida.
>
> Emilie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison
>
>
> HOLA LETY ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN
> JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
> NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE
> TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS
> ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN
> ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
> SALUDOS
> LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
> -------------- Original message from leticia reynoso
> >: --------------
>
>
> > Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From:
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> Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > >
> <> Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta
> acta
> > de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y una de Thomas
> Alva
> > Edison jurarias que tienen algo que ver...en fin..tal vez nunca lo sabremos
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Hi everybody ,

I heard from people that live in Parras , Coahuila that Thomas Alva Edison is from there , go figure .

In my recent request for help I posted a plead for help but, I mispelled the last name of the monjita , it is URZUA from Cienega de Mata , Ojuelos , Jalisco . Her Great Grandfather was Vida Urzua and his wife was Agapita Lopez .

Can anyone help her out with more info on the family line ?

Thanx ,

Welester

> Hello Cristobal,> > I live 30 min away from San Juan de los Lagos, in Valle de Guadalupe, and I have also heard that same story from the older people here that Thomas Alba Edison was born somewhere in Los Altos and that he went to live to the US when he was young. It would be nice to lookup his birth certificate to see who his parents were.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo Rodriguez> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco>
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