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Some details of the mother of Padre Miguel HIDALGO...
! Birth...nacio en Jururemba, Michoacan en 1731 said the Enciclopedia
de Mexico, Tomo VI, page 3114. It also said that she was an espanola,
hija de padre y madre espanolas.
Marriage...en 1750 con Cristobal HIDALGO Y Costilla said the
Enciclopedia de Mexico.
Death...murio en la hacienda de Corralejo, Gto., en 1762, said the
Enciclopedia de Mexico.
En Mexico, el apellido GALLAGA tuvo especial importancia, ya que le
correspondia al Cura Hidalgo, por su linea materna.
Los padres, de Ana Maria, tuvieron unicamente una hija. Ella
originaria del rancho de Jururemba, de donde fue llevada al pueblo
de Huaniquero, hoy Villa Morelos, recibiendo alli las aguas del
bautismo.**
Habiendo quedado huerfana, Ana Maria, la recogieron sus abuelos
maternos, y por muerte de estas su tio carnal Don Manuel Mateo
GALLAGA Mandarte, Administrador del rancho de San Vicente del Cano,
perteneciente a la Hacienda de San Diego del Corralejo.**
La senora Ana Maria, celebro esponsales con Don Cristobal HIDALGO Y
Costilla. Ellos procrearon entre otros hijos a Don Miguel HIDALGO y
Costilla, parroco de Dolores, e iniciador de la Independencia de
Mexico.**
**BLASONES Y APELLIDOS
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, Ricci, Richard wrote:
> From: Ricci, Richard
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 9:54 AM
> The descent from Jn carlo D. Lomelin, if I remember
> correctly is that his daughter from Maria Benavides Ramos is
> named maria lomelin.
> Maria Lomelin and Nicolas perez Contreras have a child by
> the name of juana contreras who married Pedro Gallaga
> Mandarte. They were the parents of Juan Fernando Gallaga
> Mandarte the maternal grandfather of miguel hidalgo
> costilla's mother.
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf
> of Ricci, Richard
> Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 8:39 AM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS
>
>
>
> Joseph (Guiseppe) Luis Lomelin, brother to Jn.Carlo Domingo
> Lomelin, was married Maria del Olmo
> Joseph Luis Lomelin and Maria del Olmo were the parents of
> Maria Lomelin del Olmo
> Maria Lomelin del Olmo and Juan de Viilasenor Reus y Patino
> Peirerea were the parents of Pedro Viilasenor
> Just recently somone posted a genealogy showing the
> relationship among the leaders of the revolution. You can
> follow the rest of the line there to Miguel Hidalgo
> Costilla. There are lots of genealogies, some from well
> known genealogist, purporting to show his family tree. They
> have some mistakes but there is a reason for those mistakes
> because of circumstances. I have the documentation showing
> how it was an uncle or grandparent raising the child due to
> early deaths.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf
> of patricia burton
> Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 5:06 AM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS
>
>
>
> To Richard R.--
>
> My husband has OLMOS in his family tree. His OLMOS are
> from the Ayo el Chico area. Can you be more specific with
> your Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS details?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Patricia BURTON
> San Diego, Ca.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Ricci, Richard
> wrote:
>
> > From: Ricci, Richard
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI???
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:47 PM
> > the lomelin olmos line descends from luis lomelin and
> not
> > carlos
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on
> behalf
> > of patricia burton
> > Sent: Sun 2/22/2009 7:36 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI???
> >
> >
> >
> > To Richard R.--
> >
> > My husband comes from the LOMELI/LOMELIN/ LOMELINI
> line. I
> > have worked on part of the lines of Miguel HIDALGO,
> namely
> > the ones that come from the GALLAGA part of the
> family.
> > Would you please give some details on this brother of
> Carlos
> > LOMELINI and how he fits into the Padre Miguel HIDALGO
> > family tree? Many thanks.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Patricia BURTON
> > San Diego, Ca.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Ricci, Richard
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Ricci, Richard
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:18 PM
> > > My notes have him as Carlos' brother. He is
> also
> > the
> > > ancestor of one of miguel Hidalgos lines. Miguel
> > Hidalgo
> > > Costilla descends from both brothers. The
> > Lomelin's from
> > > Puebla and Mexico City descend from Luis. Back
> then
> > the
> > > records show lomelin. Before that it is Lomellini
> or
> > > lomelini. It wasn't until later that people
> > started
> > > dropping the n. In Portugal the lomelin line
> added an
> > o to
> > > make Lomelino. And the stories are true about one
> > branch
> > > leaving Genoa , going to Spain and cornering the
> slave
> > trade
> > > there. There rest of the family was into more
> > legitimate
> > > businesses.
> > > There is a famous book that uses the Lomelini as
> the
> > main
> > > characters in the book. I have own a copy of the
> book
> > but I
> > > lent it to my niece and she hasn't returned
> it
> > yet. I
> > > have not read it because she was visiting when it
> > arrived
> > > and immediately asked to borrow it.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> on
> > behalf
> > > of Daniel M?ndez del Camino
> > > Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 11:46 PM
> > > To: Patty Hoyos
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > wHAT INFO DO OU HAVE ON LUíS LOMELINI? I HAVE
> NEVER
> > HEARD
> > > OF HIM JUST CARLO. -tHANKS. dANIEL
> > >
> >
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Ana Maria GALLAGA, mother of Padre Miguel HIDALGO
born 1731
married 15/aug/1750
died 9/apr/1762
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of patricia burton
Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 8:22 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Maria GALLAGA, mother of Padre Miguel HIDALGO
Some details of the mother of Padre Miguel HIDALGO...
! Birth...nacio en Jururemba, Michoacan en 1731 said the Enciclopedia
de Mexico, Tomo VI, page 3114. It also said that she was an espanola,
hija de padre y madre espanolas.
Marriage...en 1750 con Cristobal HIDALGO Y Costilla said the
Enciclopedia de Mexico.
Death...murio en la hacienda de Corralejo, Gto., en 1762, said the
Enciclopedia de Mexico.
En Mexico, el apellido GALLAGA tuvo especial importancia, ya que le
correspondia al Cura Hidalgo, por su linea materna.
Los padres, de Ana Maria, tuvieron unicamente una hija. Ella
originaria del rancho de Jururemba, de donde fue llevada al pueblo
de Huaniquero, hoy Villa Morelos, recibiendo alli las aguas del
bautismo.**
Habiendo quedado huerfana, Ana Maria, la recogieron sus abuelos
maternos, y por muerte de estas su tio carnal Don Manuel Mateo
GALLAGA Mandarte, Administrador del rancho de San Vicente del Cano,
perteneciente a la Hacienda de San Diego del Corralejo.**
La senora Ana Maria, celebro esponsales con Don Cristobal HIDALGO Y
Costilla. Ellos procrearon entre otros hijos a Don Miguel HIDALGO y
Costilla, parroco de Dolores, e iniciador de la Independencia de
Mexico.**
**BLASONES Y APELLIDOS
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, Ricci, Richard wrote:
> From: Ricci, Richard
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 9:54 AM
> The descent from Jn carlo D. Lomelin, if I remember
> correctly is that his daughter from Maria Benavides Ramos is
> named maria lomelin.
> Maria Lomelin and Nicolas perez Contreras have a child by
> the name of juana contreras who married Pedro Gallaga
> Mandarte. They were the parents of Juan Fernando Gallaga
> Mandarte the maternal grandfather of miguel hidalgo
> costilla's mother.
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf
> of Ricci, Richard
> Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 8:39 AM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS
>
>
>
> Joseph (Guiseppe) Luis Lomelin, brother to Jn.Carlo Domingo
> Lomelin, was married Maria del Olmo
> Joseph Luis Lomelin and Maria del Olmo were the parents of
> Maria Lomelin del Olmo
> Maria Lomelin del Olmo and Juan de Viilasenor Reus y Patino
> Peirerea were the parents of Pedro Viilasenor
> Just recently somone posted a genealogy showing the
> relationship among the leaders of the revolution. You can
> follow the rest of the line there to Miguel Hidalgo
> Costilla. There are lots of genealogies, some from well
> known genealogist, purporting to show his family tree. They
> have some mistakes but there is a reason for those mistakes
> because of circumstances. I have the documentation showing
> how it was an uncle or grandparent raising the child due to
> early deaths.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf
> of patricia burton
> Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 5:06 AM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS
>
>
>
> To Richard R.--
>
> My husband has OLMOS in his family tree. His OLMOS are
> from the Ayo el Chico area. Can you be more specific with
> your Luis LOMELINI and OLMOS details?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Patricia BURTON
> San Diego, Ca.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Ricci, Richard
> wrote:
>
> > From: Ricci, Richard
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI???
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:47 PM
> > the lomelin olmos line descends from luis lomelin and
> not
> > carlos
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on
> behalf
> > of patricia burton
> > Sent: Sun 2/22/2009 7:36 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis LOMELINI???
> >
> >
> >
> > To Richard R.--
> >
> > My husband comes from the LOMELI/LOMELIN/ LOMELINI
> line. I
> > have worked on part of the lines of Miguel HIDALGO,
> namely
> > the ones that come from the GALLAGA part of the
> family.
> > Would you please give some details on this brother of
> Carlos
> > LOMELINI and how he fits into the Padre Miguel HIDALGO
> > family tree? Many thanks.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Patricia BURTON
> > San Diego, Ca.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Ricci, Richard
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Ricci, Richard
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:18 PM
> > > My notes have him as Carlos' brother. He is
> also
> > the
> > > ancestor of one of miguel Hidalgos lines. Miguel
> > Hidalgo
> > > Costilla descends from both brothers. The
> > Lomelin's from
> > > Puebla and Mexico City descend from Luis. Back
> then
> > the
> > > records show lomelin. Before that it is Lomellini
> or
> > > lomelini. It wasn't until later that people
> > started
> > > dropping the n. In Portugal the lomelin line
> added an
> > o to
> > > make Lomelino. And the stories are true about one
> > branch
> > > leaving Genoa , going to Spain and cornering the
> slave
> > trade
> > > there. There rest of the family was into more
> > legitimate
> > > businesses.
> > > There is a famous book that uses the Lomelini as
> the
> > main
> > > characters in the book. I have own a copy of the
> book
> > but I
> > > lent it to my niece and she hasn't returned
> it
> > yet. I
> > > have not read it because she was visiting when it
> > arrived
> > > and immediately asked to borrow it.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> on
> > behalf
> > > of Daniel M?ndez del Camino
> > > Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 11:46 PM
> > > To: Patty Hoyos
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thank You
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > wHAT INFO DO OU HAVE ON LUíS LOMELINI? I HAVE
> NEVER
> > HEARD
> > > OF HIM JUST CARLO. -tHANKS. dANIEL
> > >
> >
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miguel hidalgo costilla genealogy mixup
Besides hidalgos mother being raised by grandparents and uncles which screwed up some peoples genealogies there is another mixup that was harder to catch on the villasenor side because a distinguished genealogist
did not get it exactly right and a lot of people copied his work. This genealogy (with a couple of mistakes) was even submitted to the genealogical society in Mexico city. A marriage dispensation clarifies everything and now there is no dispute. Not everyone knows about the clarification and I see the mistaken genealogy posted on the internet or in books. Some people have the correct genealogy. I believe that chart of the genealogy of the freedom fighters has the correct genealogy. From the dispensation and what I had put together of his mother's side which are some of the families of nuestros ranchos members, I have pieced his tree together and I will post it soon.
R.A.Ricci
Miguel Hidalgo's ascendance
Chantal Laurent y Martinez del Campo
I am indirectly related to Miguel Hidalgo through the Villasenor Lomelins. According to the Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogia, his mother Ana Maria Gallaga Mandarte y Villasenor was the daughter of Juan Pedro de Alcantara Gallaga Mandarte y Mora with Joaquina de Villasenor Lomelin. Joaquina was the daughter of Juan Miguel de Villasenor Lomelin and Elena Cortes Enriquez de Silva. I do not know her parentage...Juan Miguel was the son of Pedro Villasenor Lomelin and Ines Fernandez de Rincon. This last Pedro was the son of Juan de Villasenor Patino and Maria Lomelin del Olmo (again, no parentage for her - can anyone help?) Juan de Villasenor Patino was the son of Juan de Villasenor Gasca and Maria Patino and grandson of Francisco de Villasenor and Leonisia de Gasca Reus.
Another grandson of the last couple, Jose de Villasenor, maried Bernarda de Coria Lomelin, maybe daughter of Catalina Lomelin. Does anybody have any information on the latter?
Thanks
Miguel Hidalgo's ascendance
Hi, Im Daniel Méndez del Camino, I have only started to research this somewhat since I found out Hidalgo's Lomelini connection. I am fascintated by alteño genealogy, how many people we come from and so many well-known and well-researched families! So far you have the line correct as far as I see it, I was also told, Hidalgo has a total of two Lomelini connections, two maternally "de los Villaseñor" which explains the compound surname Villaseñor y Lomelini. but also on his Gallaga y Mandarte he was said to come from Carlo's daughter María di Lomelini who married a Gallaga y Mandarte. Maybe Someone know about this line? I havent really followed it. With the original Lomelini there were two Lomelini cousins who married two Villaseñor, but havent really looked at. Hope this somewhat helps for now! Keep me posted!
mendezdelcamino@live.com
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Miguel Hidalgo's ascendance
Hello Maria Lomelin y del Olmo was the daughter of Joseph Luis Lomelin and Maria del Olmo. Jose Luis Lomelin was a brother of Jn Carlo Domingo Lomelin, the ancestor of the lomeli of zacatecas, jalisco
I have elena cortes enriquez de silva parents, grandparents and one set of her greatgrandparents but I have information that are leading me to the other great grandparents as soon as I work on those I will release that info
Ricci
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of chantal51
Sent: Mon 3/16/2009 8:37 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Hidalgo's ascendance
Chantal Laurent y Martinez del Campo
I am indirectly related to Miguel Hidalgo through the Villasenor Lomelins. According to the Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogia, his mother Ana Maria Gallaga Mandarte y Villasenor was the daughter of Juan Pedro de Alcantara Gallaga Mandarte y Mora with Joaquina de Villasenor Lomelin. Joaquina was the daughter of Juan Miguel de Villasenor Lomelin and Elena Cortes Enriquez de Silva. I do not know her parentage...Juan Miguel was the son of Pedro Villasenor Lomelin and Ines Fernandez de Rincon. This last Pedro was the son of Juan de Villasenor Patino and Maria Lomelin del Olmo (again, no parentage for her - can anyone help?) Juan de Villasenor Patino was the son of Juan de Villasenor Gasca and Maria Patino and grandson of Francisco de Villasenor and Leonisia de Gasca Reus.
Another grandson of the last couple, Jose de Villasenor, maried Bernarda de Coria Lomelin, maybe daughter of Catalina Lomelin. Does anybody have any information on the latter?
Thanks
Miguel Hidalgo's ascendance
what time frame are you talking about and what state in Mexico?
Some of my research in Jalisco includes these surnames (Villasenor) but different combinations so I'm interested in the time frame.
Linda in Everett
--- On Mon, 3/16/09, chantal51 wrote:
From: chantal51
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Hidalgo's ascendance
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:37 PM
Chantal Laurent y Martinez del Campo
I am indirectly related to Miguel Hidalgo through the Villasenor Lomelins.
According to the Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogia, his mother Ana
Maria Gallaga Mandarte y Villasenor was the daughter of Juan Pedro de Alcantara
Gallaga Mandarte y Mora with Joaquina de Villasenor Lomelin. Joaquina was the
daughter of Juan Miguel de Villasenor Lomelin and Elena Cortes Enriquez de
Silva. I do not know her parentage...Juan Miguel was the son of Pedro
Villasenor Lomelin and Ines Fernandez de Rincon. This last Pedro was the son of
Juan de Villasenor Patino and Maria Lomelin del Olmo (again, no parentage for
her - can anyone help?) Juan de Villasenor Patino was the son of Juan de
Villasenor Gasca and Maria Patino and grandson of Francisco de Villasenor and
Leonisia de Gasca Reus.
Another grandson of the last couple, Jose de Villasenor, maried Bernarda de
Coria Lomelin, maybe daughter of Catalina Lomelin. Does anybody have any
information on the latter?
Thanks
Padre Miguel Hidalgo
Saturday, July 25, 2009
Dear Daniel-
"Hidalgo was the first leader in the Western hemisphere to abolish slavery and distribute land to the people," stated Liz Haskell of Santa Cruz.
This statement and others similar are what I found when checking on the Internet. I had heard Padre Miguel Hidalgo's story before and as he is related to my husband through the GALLAGA name, I am always looking for more information.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.
--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:
> From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surnames in the 1600s
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:14 PM
>
>
> Hi Bill, I putting this out there, my Latin American
> Studies teacher said that slave trade ened in Colonial
> Spanish America when the country gained independence but
> within each indiviadiual country slavery still exsisted, for
> instance Mexico didnt abolish (legally) slavery until 1920
> at the end of the Revolution. Before the Revolution of 1910
> there are no known articles or laws saying you can legally
> hold slaves, only that freed slaves remain free forever. The
> Constitution of 1917 (I think) was the one that talked about
> slavery. This was about 2 years ago I was taught so not sure
> if its true or not. She was an excellent teacher though.
> -Daniel Camino
>
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Padre Miguel Hidalgo
Patricia Burton:
My brother in law is related to the Gallaga name of Padre Miguel Hidalgo, he
has asked me to help him find something on this line. I wonder if you can
help me or share the Gallaga side.
I am related to the other side.
Sylvia
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:58 PM, wrote:
>
> Saturday, July 25, 2009
>
> Dear Daniel-
>
> "Hidalgo was the first leader in the Western hemisphere to abolish slavery
> and distribute land to the people," stated Liz Haskell of Santa Cruz.
>
> This statement and others similar are what I found when checking on the
> Internet. I had heard Padre Miguel Hidalgo's story before and as he is
> related to my husband through the GALLAGA name, I am always looking for more
> information.
>
> Sincerely,
> Patricia Burton
> San Diego, Ca.
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> wrote:
>
> > From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surnames in the 1600s
> > To: "Patty Hoyos"
> > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:14 PM
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> > Hi Bill, I putting this out there, my Latin American
> > Studies teacher said that slave trade ened in Colonial
> > Spanish America when the country gained independence but
> > within each indiviadiual country slavery still exsisted, for
> > instance Mexico didnt abolish (legally) slavery until 1920
> > at the end of the Revolution. Before the Revolution of 1910
> > there are no known articles or laws saying you can legally
> > hold slaves, only that freed slaves remain free forever. The
> > Constitution of 1917 (I think) was the one that talked about
> > slavery. This was about 2 years ago I was taught so not sure
> > if its true or not. She was an excellent teacher though.
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Padre Miguel Hidalgo
Hi Sylvia, its Daniel Camino, Ill share on the Gallaga side, he descends twice from the Lomelini. The farthes Gallaga is (that Ive found)
Padre Hidalgo
Ana Ma. Gallaga y Mandarte 1731 in michoacan
Juan San pedro Alcantara Gallaga y Mandarte 4 feb 1703 in La Barca Jal
Fernando Gallaga y Mandarte abt 1670.
Ana Gallaga's mother is a carrier of the compound name de Villaseñor y Lomelini.
Joaquina de Villaseñor y Lomelini
Juan Manuel de V y L
Pedro de Villa..y Lomelini
The creators of the surname, Juan de Villaseñor and Maria di Lomelini.
hija de Luigi di Lomelini.
Sorry I dont have dates
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Padre Miguel Hidalgo
Daniel tengo una acta de matrimonio de Ana Maria Gallaga y Mandarte,el acta dice que se caso en 1687 con juan José vazquez, hijo deJJuan Antonio Vazquez y Luciana Casillas, sera que ella enviudo y sa caso por segunda vez ?, o es otra Ana María Gallaga y Mandarte ?.
el documento es de tepatitlan jalisco.
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Padre Miguel Hidalgo
Si la fecha que proporcionas es correcta entonces se trata de otra Ana Gallaga, seguramente parienta de la mamá de Miguel Hidalgo, ya que Miguel Hidalgo nació el 8 de mayo de 1757, así que tu Ana Gallaga tendría 70 años.
Yo vivo en Tejupilco que es el pueblo originario de los Hidalgo y Costilla, el próximo año publico un pequeño trabajo sobre Tejupilco y los Hidalgo y Costilla. el padre de Miguel Hidalgo fue Cristobal Hidalgo y Costilla Espinoza de los Monteros nació en Tejupilco el 13 de septiembre de 1713. Él ingresó al seminario de la Ciudad de México y debido a una conjutivitis aguda ý pérdida de visión abandonó sus estudios, una viuda rica vecina de la Ciudad le ofreció administrar una de sus haciendas en Guanajuato, y por eso es que se fue a vivir a Corralejo allá casó y procreó a sus hijos.
Por si a alguien le interesa abuelos paternos de Miguel Hidalgo fueron: Francisco Costilla Gómez de Betanzos y Mariana Espinoza de los Monteros Gómez de Betanzos (primos hermanos hijos de las hermanas Ana ý Elvira Gómez de Betanzos y Sotelo). Ambos nacidos en Tejupilco.
Los bisabuelos de Miguel Hidalgo fueron: Juan Hidalgo Costilla y Ana Gómez de Betanzos y Sotelo. Él originario de Tejupilco y ella del Real de Minas de Sultepec.
Los tatarabuelos de Miguel Hidalgo fueron: el cura de Tejupilco Lic. Francisco Hidalgo Vendaval Cabeza de Baca y la viuda Jerónima Costilla. Francisco fue cura de Tejupilco de 1620 a 1628, era originario de la Cuidad de México. y por el otro lado los tatarabuelos fueron Don Diego Gómez de Betanzos y Doña Ana Maria de Sotelo. mineros de Sultepec.
Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:39:55 -0700
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> Daniel tengo una acta de matrimonio de Ana Maria Gallaga y Mandarte,el acta dice que se caso en 1687 con juan José vazquez, hijo deJJuan Antonio Vazquez y Luciana Casillas, sera que ella enviudo y sa caso por segunda vez ?, o es otra Ana María Gallaga y Mandarte ?.
> el documento es de tepatitlan jalisco.
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Padre Miguel Hidalgo
En Tepatitlán hay varios registros de personas de apellido Gallaga y Mandarte, los cuales son los mismos del cura Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla.
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Padre Miguel Hidalgo
No se si ustedes saben esto, pero el abuelo del cura Miguel Hidalgo, el señor Juan de San Pedro Gallaga Mandarte casó en Tepatitlán con Juana Tadea de Aceves y Gómez de Espejo el 07 de marzo de 1734 en primeras nupcias. También existe un documento de Aspirantes al ilustre y Real Colegio de Abogados de México en los que el hermano del cura Hidalgo, Manuel Hidalgo y Costilla, menciona que su abuelo materno Juan Pedro Gallaga Mandarte es natural de Tepatitlán, jurisdicción de la Barca, Nueva Galicia.
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miguel hidalgo costilla genealogy mixup
Hello Rick
What were the mistakes in the genealogy of on the Villaseñor side of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla? Where can the chart of the genealogy of the freedom fighters be found?
Armando
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on 26 February, 2009 - 2:39am.
Besides hidalgos mother being raised by grandparents and uncles which screwed up some peoples genealogies there is another mixup that was harder to catch on the villasenor side because a distinguished genealogist
did not get it exactly right and a lot of people copied his work. This genealogy (with a couple of mistakes) was even submitted to the genealogical society in Mexico city. A marriage dispensation clarifies everything and now there is no dispute. Not everyone knows about the clarification and I see the mistaken genealogy posted on the internet or in books. Some people have the correct genealogy. I believe that chart of the genealogy of the freedom fighters has the correct genealogy. From the dispensation and what I had put together of his mother's side which are some of the families of nuestros ranchos members, I have pieced his tree together and I will post it soon.
R.A.Ricci
miguel hidalgo costilla genealogy mixup
Hello Armando. I have had to put genealogy aside for the moment because of work (teaching middle school). This winter break I will take out of storage my notes on Hidalgo. The Heroes chart was found on nuestros ranchos or another internet site. They had the correct genealogy though it lacked some info if I recall correctly. As to that mistake on the villasenor side, the prominent genealogist confused a nephew and an uncle so a lot of his chart info was correct with just minor errors that when corrected added another generation, just like the mistake a lot of people made with the Marin family.
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Hello Rick
What were the mistakes in the genealogy of on the Villaseñor side of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla? Where can the chart of the genealogy of the freedom fighters be found?
Armando
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on 26 February, 2009 - 2:39am.
Besides hidalgos mother being raised by grandparents and uncles which screwed up some peoples genealogies there is another mixup that was harder to catch on the villasenor side because a distinguished genealogist
did not get it exactly right and a lot of people copied his work. This genealogy (with a couple of mistakes) was even submitted to the genealogical society in Mexico city. A marriage dispensation clarifies everything and now there is no dispute. Not everyone knows about the clarification and I see the mistaken genealogy posted on the internet or in books. Some people have the correct genealogy. I believe that chart of the genealogy of the freedom fighters has the correct genealogy. From the dispensation and what I had put together of his mother's side which are some of the families of nuestros ranchos members, I have pieced his tree together and I will post it soon.
R.A.Ricci
Miguel Hidalgo Costilla genealogy mixup
Hello Rick,
I am looking forward to the Villaseñor info since I can't find the chart mentioned. I assume the genealogist you speak of is José Ignacio Dávila Garibi and the society being Academia Mexicana de Genealogía e Historia. Miguel Hidalgo may have also been a descendant of the greatgrandparents of Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, author of Don Quixote de la Mancha. Their names were Diego de Cervantes, comendador de la orden de Santiago, and Juana Avellaneda. The connection is dependant on Leonel de Cervantes Tello being an ancestor of Miguel Hidalgo and his father, Diego Cervantes, being a son of the comendador Diego de Cervantes.
I just found a statement you had made "I descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada. Catalina's grandfather, Diego Cervantes, married to Guiomar de Tello is related to the other giant cervantes family. When the two cervantes joined in a marriage there was an acknowledgement of the bride's father that they come from two branches of the same cervantes family." It would be great to get a copy of wherever that acknowledgement from Diego Cervantes exists, if it does. I also descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada which is why I am so interested in this.
Some other tidbits you may or may not have. There is a statement that "Boy-Bowman lo considera natural de Sevilla y también Álvarez" on a page that mentions Leonel de Cervantes Tello. http://www.alcaldesvcentenario.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=ar… When http://www.bisabuelos.com/mex/cervantes.html states that the Gómez de Cervantes are sevillanos. Another site states there was a Diego de Cervantes Avellaneda that was alcaide de Gibraltar. He could have been the father of Leonel de Cervantes Tello.
If there is anyone else that can help with this info I would appreciate it.
A los miembros hispanohablantes,
Busco la genealogía correcta de Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla por lado Villaseñor que incluye información de la dispensa que corrige la errónea. Aparte de otras cosas busco confirmar que Miguel Hidalgo es descendiente de Leonel de Cervantes Tello. También busco verificar que el padre de Leonel de Cervantes Tello, Diego de Cervantes, fue hijo de Diego de Cervantes, comendador de la orden de Santiago, y Juana Avellaneda como aparece en otra página de genealogía. Si se confirma esa información podríamos decir que Miguel Hidalgo fue pariente lejano de Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra.
Armando
Miguel Hidalgo Costilla genealogy mixup
I also read about that acknowledgement. I did a little research but got sidetracked by a couple other lines that I was working on and then work and life sidetracked me that I had to store everything. If I remember correctly, I had followed different cervantes lines and come up with possible links that could only be followed up in Spain at that time. I will try to Look through my records in late december. I only had possible leads as to how the two cervantes lines were connected. But they looked promising.
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Hello Rick,
I am looking forward to the Villaseñor info since I can't find the chart mentioned. I assume the genealogist you speak of is José Ignacio Dávila Garibi and the society being Academia Mexicana de Genealogía e Historia. Miguel Hidalgo may have also been a descendant of the greatgrandparents of Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, author of Don Quixote de la Mancha. Their names were Diego de Cervantes, comendador de la orden de Santiago, and Juana Avellaneda. The connection is dependant on Leonel de Cervantes Tello being an ancestor of Miguel Hidalgo and his father, Diego Cervantes, being a son of the comendador Diego de Cervantes.
I just found a statement you had made "I descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada. Catalina's grandfather, Diego Cervantes, married to Guiomar de Tello is related to the other giant cervantes family. When the two cervantes joined in a marriage there was an acknowledgement of the bride's father that they come from two branches of the same cervantes family." It would be great to get a copy of wherever that acknowledgement from Diego Cervantes exists, if it does. I also descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada which is why I am so interested in this.
Some other tidbits you may or may not have. There is a statement that "Boy-Bowman lo considera natural de Sevilla y también Álvarez" on a page that mentions Leonel de Cervantes Tello. http://www.alcaldesvcentenario.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=ar… When http://www.bisabuelos.com/mex/cervantes.html states that the Gómez de Cervantes are sevillanos. Another site states there was a Diego de Cervantes Avellaneda that was alcaide de Gibraltar. He could have been the father of Leonel de Cervantes Tello.
If there is anyone else that can help with this info I would appreciate it.
A los miembros hispanohablantes,
Busco la genealogía correcta de Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla por lado Villaseñor que incluye información de la dispensa que corrige la errónea. Aparte de otras cosas busco confirmar que Miguel Hidalgo es descendiente de Leonel de Cervantes Tello. También busco verificar que el padre de Leonel de Cervantes Tello, Diego de Cervantes, fue hijo de Diego de Cervantes, comendador de la orden de Santiago, y Juana Avellaneda como aparece en otra página de genealogía. Si se confirma esa información podríamos decir que Miguel Hidalgo fue pariente lejano de Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra.
Armando
Miguel Hidalgo Costilla genealogy mixup
Estimados compañeros:
No he probado la línea paterna de don Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, pero de los Gallaga si lo he probado muy profundamente. Ojalá puedo ayudar en alguna forma u otra. Siempre trae interés sobre la genealogía del padre de la patria. Como cualquier otro Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla le reclamo como pariente mío, por su línea materna que es alteña.
Los Gallaga y Mandarte son unas de mis familias favoritas del Obispado de Michoacán, aunque su solar novohispano no era en Guanajuato sino Ahuahulco de Mercado. Tuvieron puestos nobles y grandes oficios en la hierarchía de la Iglesia Católica, y en las fuerzas del ejército, como el padre Vicente Gallaga y Mandarte, cura vicario de Dolores a un tiempo luego en Salamanca. Y pues como sepamos familia materna del padre de la patria, en realidad hay mucho que podía de hablar sobre esta familia pero el tiempo me roba.
La Sra. doña Ana Maria Gallega y Mandarte fue bautizada 11 de marzo de 1731 en la parroquia de San Nicolás de Tolentino en Villa de Morelos, Obispado de Michoacán. Hija legítima y única de don Juan de San Pedro de Alcántara Gallaga y Mandarte y doña Joaquina de Villaseñor y Cervantes. Ana María casó el 15 de agosto de 1750 en Pénjamo, Guanajuato, Obispado de Michoacán a Cristóbal Hidalgo y Costilla hijo de Francisco Hidalgo y Costilla, y Mariana “según” Espinoza de los Monteros”.(Todavía tengo duda sobre la línea paterna, pasado éstos. Radicados en Correlejo, Gto. Ana María falleció el 9 de abril de 1762.
El padre de Ana María, don Juan de San Pedro fue bautizado el 4 de febrero de 1703 en La Barca, Jalisco (en ese tiempo Obispado de Michoacán) hijo de don Fernando Gallaga y Mandarte, y María Josefa Navarro Gaytán (más bien conocida como de Zamora y Solís)/ Casó dos veces en primer nupcias con la madre de Ana María, la Sra. Joaquina hija de Juan Manuel de Villaseñor y Cervantes y Elena Cortés, luego por segundas a Juana Tadea de Aceves hija de Pedro de Aceves y Margarita Gómez de Espejo (también Ruiz de Velasco) radicados en Tepatitlán Juan y Juana casaron el 7 de marzo de 1734 en Tepatitlán.
Fernando Gallaga y Mandarte era de Ahuahulco de Mercado, Jalisco hijo de Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte, y Juana de Lomelín; su esposa María Josefa de Ocotlán donde se bautizó el 27 de marzo de 1671 hija de don Mateo Navarro Gaytán y Catalina de la Mora y Hurtado de Mendoza (conocida también como Zamora y Solís). Esta línea materna todas utilizaron Zamora y Solís o simple de Zamora u cualquier variación. Bautizaron varios hijos en Ayotlán, La Barca, Ocotlán y Tepatitlán.
Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte (los padres de éste todavía estoy probando lo explicaré al fin de este mensaje). Nacio hacia 1640 posible Ahuahulco de Mercado. Por lo menos casó en Nochistlán con Juana de Lomelín hija del capitán Nicolás Jiménez de Contreras (también Pérez) y María de Lomelín, nieta por materna el famoso patriarca de los Lomelín aunque tambien habia su hermano Luigi Lomellini, Carlo Lomellini y María Benavidez, radicados en Nochistlán a los principios del siglo XVII. Sospecho los Jiménez de Contreras tuvieron enlaces con gente del mismo apellido en la ciudad de Méjico de la misma época.
Ahora sobre la liñaje de los Gallaga. En mis estudios encontré un pasaje a Indias de Pedro de Gallaga Hemandarte dónde paso a la Nueva España el 19 de junio de 1620 donde consta que era natural de Durango (País Vasco) en los Reinos de Castilla. Hijo de Pedro Gallaga Hernandarte y María Ibañez de Zuaza. Llego como criado del Dr. don Juan del Castilla, cura vicario del Diocésis de Tlaxcala. Si llego en 1620 le pone por lo menos nacer hacia 1600 nuestro Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte nacio hacia 1640, es posible su nieto o hijo, aun no lo sé. Por lo menos sé que eran del mismo nombre. Hay una posibilidad hay tres Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte. Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte y Juana de Lomelín radicaron en Ahuahulco de Mercado donde bautizaron varios hijos y dichos también casaron ahí.
Mis fuentes de información incluye varios microfilm de Nochistlán, Ayotlán, Ocotlán, Tepatitlán, Ahuhulco de Mercado, Pénjamo, etc. Los Archivos de Indias. Por cualquier quien preguntará. No tuve éxito en encontrar algún registro sobre los Gallaga en el siglo XVII en el Archivo General de la Nación, si existe de ellos pero del siglo XVIII.
Ojala estos datos os ayuda en algo,
Daniel Méndez y Camino
Miguel Hidalgo Costilla genealogy mixup
Hola Daniel, ahorita revisando mi base de datos encontré que yo tengo como padres de Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte el esposo de Juana Lomelí a Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte y Ana Rodríguez. Y sus abuelos paternos son los que mencionas Pedro Gallaga y Mandarte y María Ibáñez de Zuazua. Pero no tengo la fuente donde tomé la información así que no estoy seguro de que la información sea verídica. Tómala con precaución.
L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Miguel Hidalgo Costilla genealogy mixup
I recently came across this information posted by the Government of the State of Mexico regarding a timeline of Tejupilco, a town in the same state, where the the paternal line of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla can be traced.
Hace unos dias encontre un portal del Gobierno del Estado de Mexico donde se incluye una cronologia de Tejupilco, un poblado en ese mismo estado, donde la linea paterna de Don Migule Hidalgo tiene su origen.
Go to: http://www.tejupilco.gob.mx/contenido/index.php?option=com_content&view…, it includes some interesting information about el Cura Hidalgo's family including:
1662 Nace en este pueblo en la hacienda de Las Juntas de los Ríos: Don Francisco Costilla Gómez de Betanzos (abuelo paterno de Miguel Hidalgo).
12 Septiembre de 1713 nace en la hacienda de Las Juntas de los Ríos Parroquia de Tejupilco: Don Cristóbal Hidalgo y Costilla Espinoza de los Monteros (father of Don Miguel Hidalgo)
Junio a octubre de 1767 Miguel y José Joaquín Hidalgo y Costilla viven en Tejupilco junto a sus tías María y Nicolasa.
There is other information, including the names of his great grandparents,
Jaime R. Alvarado
Cervantes and their connection to Alvarez
Dear Armando,
please send me your line of descent from Leonel Cervantes if you want it in my book. Leonel Cervantes As you already know, I too descend from him. Boyd-bowman is correct that he has an Alvarez ancestor. This Alvarez Ancestor was born in Fez, Morroco, Africa. If you check http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21746?page=2 you can read about this ancestor that was born in Fez, Morrocco
I Wrote about his last comments on his deathbed.
If you check some of the posts that I have made in the past week you will find some of Leonel ancestors.
Leonel also has Italian ancestors. A Few of his Italian ancestors are brothers to Catholic Popes. I Have a lot more information in my book.
I have done much research on these lines. I ran into a brickwall in the 14 th century on one line until I found a book written by genealogist/author George L. Williams. If Mr. Williams is correct, then this line is our closest blood connection to British royalty. According to Mr. Williams, an ancestor of ours is also the great great grandmother of Henry VIII. As Mr. Williams put a lot of research into his book, he is most likely correct. I can't help but feel that who he lists as a father to our ancestor is actually her grandfather. Either way she does descend from him.
Rick A Ricci