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--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

Alice,

While not extremely common to have the priest as the padrino, it is common enough and still happens to this day. My cousins who live in Mexico have had the priest as the Padrino of their children as they are very close to the priest.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: AliceBB
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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23:32 PM
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--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

Alice, I've noticed it once but don't recall when or where.
I remember seeing it because it was unusual. --Raquel

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:23 AM, AliceBB wrote:

>
>
> --- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
> Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but
> could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A
> priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something
> were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't
> limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the
> entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices,
> who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd
> appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your
> help. Alice B Blake
>
>
>

Si, y es que en las actas de bautizo de Jerez se menciona que bachiller, tambien el hermano de mi ancestro Pantaleon de la Torre, Abundio o Isidro eran, bueno el caso es que a una hija natural de Pantaleon que es mi ancestra Maria Guadalupe Rufina del Refugio Rodriguez, fue adoptada por el Bachiller Felix Rodriguez, y buscando encontre mas Personas Adoptadas por el Bachiller, elos bautizaban pero no eran sacerdotes
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Salvador,

De acuerdo al diccionario Larousse, se da el título de Bachiller a una
persona "que ha conseguido el primer grado en una facultad." Por
consiguiente, el titulo de Bachiller (Br.) que se daba un sacerdote era
simplemente para denotar que ya había salido del Seminario. Después de esto
una autoridad religiosa le asignaba un puesto dentro de la jerarquía de la
Iglesia, por ejemplo Clérigo Presbítero, Cura de una Parroquia, Obispo,
Arzobispo, etc. De esa manera se refieren los libros de registros al Br.
Miguel de Trillo, Clérigo Presbítero. Cuando éste tu servidor se graduó de
la secundaria del Colegio San José de los Infantes en la Ciudad de
Guatemala, el título que recibí fue de "Bachiller en Ciencias y Letras", el
cual no tiene nada que ver con el título de Bachiller que da a un sacerdote,
unicamente que había completado los estudios del Bachillerato.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:47 AM
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En jerez Zacatecas se utiliza mucho el termino de
Bachiller, que puesto tenian o que eran dentro de la iglesia

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Thank you , Emilie. It helps answer my question as to whether or not this was a common a practice. My surprise at finding a priest as padrino is indeed only a reflection of my beginners status! It's not really that rare a situation. Again, many thanks. Alice B Blake

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From: "Emilie Garcia"
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:15:49 -0700

Alice,

I have seen not only priests, but others higher up in their hierarchy named as godfathers. Usually it is a family member or good friend of the family, and of course they were upper class (all those Dons and Donas). I think the godfather would be expected to be the spiritual guide for the child, and in his position he would be able to arrange for shelter, schooling, etc. and not really be expected to raise the child himself.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23 PM
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--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

Raquel, that's exactly how I reacted; but like I said, I've only been doing this for a couple of years (when my job allows it). During these years, I've read all posting, but had never come across or heard from others that they had encountered this in their families. I can only guess he was family or a good friend of the family. Thanks so much for your response.
Alice B Blake

--- ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:28:42 -0400

Alice, I've noticed it once but don't recall when or where.
I remember seeing it because it was unusual. --Raquel

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:23 AM, AliceBB wrote:

>
>
> --- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
> Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but
> could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A
> priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something
> were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't
> limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the
> entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices,
> who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd
> appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your
> help. Alice B Blake
>
>
>

Alicia, Those are along the lines of what I'm thinking--relative or close friend of the family. Thanks so much. Alice B Blake

--- alliecar@pacbell.net wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:42:21 -0700 (PDT)

Alice,

While not extremely common to have the priest as the padrino, it is common enough and still happens to this day. My cousins who live in Mexico have had the priest as the Padrino of their children as they are very close to the priest.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb

--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

Good morning everyone,

Jerry Benavides passed away ,he is one of the co-founders of HOGAR a Dallas, Texas group of genealogist .

May he rest in Peace .

Welester

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When did Jerry pass away? Sounds like it was sudden. He was my primo.
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> Good morning everyone,
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> Jerry Benavides passed away ,he is one of the co-founders of HOGAR a Dallas,
> Texas group of genealogist .
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>
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> May he rest in Peace .
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> Welester
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Hi Esther ,

The very same day that I sent the e-mail is the day that Jerry passed away at three o clock in the hospital that he was in .

I believe that his local newspaper did a story on him .

Welester

> When did Jerry pass away? Sounds like it was sudden. He was my primo.
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> Esther A. Herold
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Alice,

I have seen not only priests, but others higher up in their hierarchy named as godfathers. Usually it is a family member or good friend of the family, and of course they were upper class (all those Dons and Donas). I think the godfather would be expected to be the spiritual guide for the child, and in his position he would be able to arrange for shelter, schooling, etc. and not really be expected to raise the child himself.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb

--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

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