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In 1591, 400 families left Tlaxcala to colonize the northern lands of the Chichimecas. Some of them reached Zacatecas. I believe some of them went north to New Mexico with Juan de Onate in 1598. I'm trying to locate a list of the Tlaxcalans.
One of my ancestors, Juan de Leon Brito married Sebastiana Madrid in 1692 at Guadalupe del Paso. He returned to New Mexico following the Pueblo Revolt of 1680 to his ancestral lands in the Analco barrio of Santa Fe. He has been identified as a Tlaxcalan Indian.
Please help me locate any available lists of the 400 Tlaxcalan families.

Yes, I have known about it for several years now. I used to e-mail back and forth with Gary and he was very helpful. My Olague ancestors are on his Onate lists, as well as my Marquez ancestors.

One thing I want to do one of these days is to send in my DNA for Gary's DNA of Mexico project. Did you read abut that?

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: texn_4_ever@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:48:04 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Onate Expedition
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> I am not sure if you ever found this website, but I found it very helpful to anyone who can trace their lineage this far back into New Spain's early history.
> The following is a link to the list of men who were a part of Don Juan de Onate's original expedition and subsequent re-enforcements.
>
> http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index5E.htm

Yes, I have read about that. His website is quite informative actually.
Although, what would have made a good addition is possible lists of those colonists and soldiers that were part of the reconquest of New Mexico in the 1690's.
Has anyone happened to come across that sort of information?

I know this is going out of the geographic area, but considering many of Onate's troops came from this area, perhaps many of the colonists and troops came from this area as well to reconquore New Mexico. After all, Chihuahua and the settlements of the Rio Grande in particular were suffering from constant Native American attacks to have composed the majority of the Spanish forces.

I just found out that a census was conducted of the 400 families on July 6, 1591 at San Juan del Rio, Qro. Do any of you know where I can find this census so that I can study the census?
I want to compare the names on this census to the names recorded as the founders of San Gabriel del Yunque, New Mexico in 1598.
My source of information is "La Migracion Tlaxcalteca del Siglo XVI" by Rosalba Delgadillo Torres, 2007. Posted on the web at ccdeentornos.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-indian-migration-transferring.html
Be careful with the popups on this page.
I would like to get a copy of this article but I can't copy it from the Complessita website.

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

Stanley,

You are a goldmine.......a wealth of information on the families and History of Nuevo Mexico.
Your subject matter intrigues me because I too have a great deal of curiosity about the families of New Mexico and their relations to Zacatecas.

Last year at the local Wells Fargo Bank, while closing on a loan, our loan agent whose surname was Muños, with Blonde hair and blue eyes. Because I have several Muños family lines, I asked him where his ancestors were from and he said his father was from New Mexico but his great grandparents had been from Zacatecas. He didn't know what part of Zacatecas they were from. He was born and raised in Huntington Beach Ca but he remembers that in his youth, they would visit the family in New Mexico and he would hear the stories of Zacatecas.

I have ordered a couple of books on New Mexico just recently from Better World Books as I would like to read up on the history. You have piqued my curiosity and I will definitely follow up on some of your resources. Thanks for this great topic.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: "stanley.lucero@comcast.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 4:42:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

I just found out that a census was conducted of the 400 families on July 6, 1591 at San Juan del Rio, Qro. Do any of you know where I can find this census so that I can study the census?
I want to compare the names on this census to the names recorded as the founders of San Gabriel del Yunque, New Mexico in 1598.
My source of information is "La Migracion Tlaxcalteca del Siglo XVI" by Rosalba Delgadillo Torres, 2007. Posted on the web at ccdeentornos.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-indian-migration-transferring.html
Be careful with the popups on this page.
I would like to get a copy of this article but I can't copy it from the Complessita website.

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

Stanley,

I pasted the link into Google and it brought up an article called "The Great Indian Migration" and I saved it to a file. Is this the file you wanted to copy?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: stanley.lucero@comcast.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

I just found out that a census was conducted of the 400 families on July 6, 1591 at San Juan del Rio, Qro. Do any of you know where I can find this census so that I can study the census?
I want to compare the names on this census to the names recorded as the founders of San Gabriel del Yunque, New Mexico in 1598.
My source of information is "La Migracion Tlaxcalteca del Siglo XVI" by Rosalba Delgadillo Torres, 2007. Posted on the web at ccdeentornos.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-indian-migration-transferring.html
Be careful with the popups on this page.
I would like to get a copy of this article but I can't copy it from the Complessita website.

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

What you found is different article by Rosalba Delgadillo Torres and is written in English. The other article is written in Spanish. I made a mistake and copied the wrong source. The correct source is:
Delgadillo Torres, R., & Sanchez Mastranzo, N. (s.f.). La migracion Tlaxcalteca del Siglo XVI. Recuperado el January de 2010, de Lomas de Chapultepec, Mexico: http://usuarios.multimania.es/aime/migralteca.html

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

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I wonder if some of these Tlaxcaltecas were my ancestors. Some of the families settled in Parras, Coahuila, very near the border with Zacatecas, when the city was founded in 1598: http://www.lag.uia.mx/acequias/acequias19/a19p12cofradias.html

One of the branches of my family comes from Parras, and I recently found some marrige certificates from the early 1800's where some of my ancestors are identified as "indios", although they don't mention any specific tribe.

Also we did some mtDNA testing in the family and according to the results my two great grandmothers form Parras were from American Indian descent (American as in the Continent) through direct maternal line, but again we don't know from which specific Indian Nation or tribe.

Victoriano Navarro

Yes, Sta. Ma. de las Parras (today Parras de la Fuente) is the same place where my ancestors come from, Parras, Coahuila. The mtDNA of my Parras branches is "Haplogroup C". My own is also "A", but I trace it to Mexico City in the 1800's.

Victoriano Navarro

My ancestors came from General Cepeda( indirectly Parras), and in Nuevo Leon( near Caderetya & Monterrey).

Did we match?
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Esther A. Herold

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Yes, Sta. Ma. de las Parras (today Parras de la Fuente) is the same place where my ancestors come from, Parras, Coahuila. The mtDNA of my Parras branches is
> "Haplogroup C". My own is also "A", but I trace it to Mexico City in the 1800's.
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Hi Esther,
Neither of the two Haplogroup C samples from my Parras family has any matches in the FTDNA page.
The results are posted online:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmerindFoundermtDNA/default.aspx?se…
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmericanIndian/default.aspx?section…

Kits N25630 Gertrudis Gonzalez; b.1880 & N32299 Feliciana Rendon, b.ca. 1874, Parras, Coah, Mexico

I have also traced one of my ancestors to General Cepeda (Hacienda de los Patos): Jose Cecilio, b. 1833, son of Pedro Rodriguez & Ma Gertrudis Valdes. He moved to Parras and by reviewing church records it seems to me that he used the surnames Rodriguez and Menchaca and for some reason all his children used the surname Menchaca when they grew up. I hope to confirm this when I start looking at civil records for the family.

Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Hello Victoriano - I have trace my Mtdna Haplogroup A to Ayo El Chico (Ayotlan) Jalisco, Mexico. At least that is where I traced my mother's ancestry to as far back as the 1600's.
I haven't done much family history research lately but is there a way to find out whether the Mdtna for Indigenous tribes of Mexico are mapped by state?
I did take notice by the way when I saw the latest information posted on the Tlaxcaltecas. I have several ancestors who were in the Spanish military whom I have traced to San Juan Del Rio. They were Valenzuelas/DeLaRivas/Mendozas. I haven't submitted this info to Nuestors yet but it is posted on Ancestry.com.
thanks, Yolanda

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From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
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Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 6:29:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcaltecas in Parras de la Fuente

Yes, Sta. Ma. de las Parras (today Parras de la Fuente) is the same place where my ancestors come from, Parras, Coahuila. The mtDNA of my Parras branches is "Haplogroup C". My own is also "A", but I trace it to Mexico City in the 1800's.

Victoriano Navarro

Hi Yolanda,
As far as I know there is no map linking mtDNA results to indigenous tribes by state, I would love to see one.
My Haplogroup A results are posted online:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GenealogyofMexicoDNAProject/default…

N23134 Maria Pacheco A. b. ca. 1880, Mexico City

Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Hi Yolanda,
Actually in the three webpages I mentioned in the bottom they have maps indicating the place of origin of the most distant ancestor of the people tested for the different haplogroups. You can zoom in the maps and select haplogroups to show. Ancestry.com has similar maps in the DNA section.
Regards,
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GenealogyofMexicoDNAProject/default…
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmerindFoundermtDNA/default.aspx?se…
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmericanIndian/default.aspx?section…

Victoriano Navarro

Here are some of the directions the 400 families took.

1591, July 6 – When the 400 Tlaxcalan families migrating northward reached the San Juan River, they were greeted by Rodrigo de Rio de Loza, governor of Nueba Viscaya,who divided the families into six groups for six different destinations:

1. Asuncion Tlaxcalilla
2. San Miguel Mezquitic
3. Augua del Venado, near Potosi
4. San Esteban de Nueva Tlaxcala near Saltillo
5. Colotlan
6. San Andres

I believe the census of the 400 families is in an archive in San Luis Potosi, since Miguel de Caldera was the person who arranged their migration to the Gran Chichimeca. The 100 families who ended up in Colotlan are detailed in one of Esteban Valdes Salazar's Totatiche history books. I think 100 families settled in Mezquitic and I am not certain of where the other 200 families ended up... likely somewhere in Zacatecas as you mention. I will try to find more specific information about where the census is published.

There is a beautiful letter from the Viceroy Luis de Velasco to King Rey Felipe II dated 26 June 1591 which describes the arrangement of the migration of these families and his visit to their caravan as they passed outside of Mexico City on their way from Tlaxcala to the Gran Chichimeca.

Archivo General de Indias, CARTAS DEL VIRREY LUIS DE VELASCO, HIJO, Signatura MEXICO,22,N.53

Which is available on PARES online:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=2&tx…

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