Hello Alice and Joseph. I'd like to take a minute and address your very honest question about the contents of the books by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. Your question resonates with me because I too had the same curiosity but never bothered to ask, because when it comes to book: "Yeah, I want them even though I don't know what's inside, and I sometimes regret buying them." It's my secret addiction...
Considering that we are all at different levels of research and understanding about our genealogies, I think it's a good gesture for those who are more advanced in their studies to give more than a perfunctory answer to your question. That's what we're here for, right?
The series is a comprehensive study of the families who lived and settled the regions of Nueva Galicia. It's not specific only to Los Altos, as there are many families mentioned in the books who lived in Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Zacatecas, etc. The first volume gives an overview of the geography, historical setting, and local culture. It has some (but not many) family trees, mostly from the 17th Century, so if you're hoping to make a connection - you should have traced some lines back at least that far.
The series is split alphabetically, and since I only have the first and second volumes, I can only attest to these two. Volume two has a total of 40 families/surnames histories (starts with ACEVES and ends with GOMEZ-HURTADO DE MENDOZA). I must admit that I found a couple of discrepancies - so a lesson learned is to always seek to double-check and confirm that the information is accurate, no matter who the author is. All and out: it is an invaluable source of information. I was able to make many discoveries that otherwise, I would not have made. The author has dedicated a lot of hard work to these books, and I can't wait to see the revised versions!
I hope this (long) description gives you a better picture.
-Claudia
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Retonos Volumes I & II - for Alice Blake and Joseph de Leon
Dear Claudia,
Not a long response at all! Tell me more; you've piqued my curiousity. I now know that it covers 17th century families in central Mexico, not only Los Altos. I also appreciate you telling me that it is most practical if your research extends that far back. While all my families are indeed from central Mexican states and consist of very old 17th century names found there, I haven't made the connection to them. As I mentioned, I'm a novice and have only made definite verifiable connections to the early 18th century in Mexico and Spain.
How many volumes are there? If the families are alphabetized, I could research Calderon, Diaz, and Lizundia in the second volume, but I would be most interested in the third--Onate, Rubio, Santelices, Valderrama, Villagran, and Zepulbeda!
Again, thank you so much for sharing your expertise. It allows me to make better sense of comments made within the group and place them in the proper context. It was a pleasure.
Alice
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II - for Alice Blake and Joseph de Leon
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Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 5:16 AM
Hello Alice and Joseph. I'd like to take a minute and address your very honest question about the contents of the books by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. Your question resonates with me because I too had the same curiosity but never bothered to ask, because when it comes to book: "Yeah, I want them even though I don't know what's inside, and I sometimes regret buying them." It's my secret addiction...
Considering that we are all at different levels of research and understanding about our genealogies, I think it's a good gesture for those who are more advanced in their studies to give more than a perfunctory answer to your question. That's what we're here for, right?
The series is a comprehensive study of the families who lived and settled the regions of Nueva Galicia. It's not specific only to Los Altos, as there are many families mentioned in the books who lived in Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Zacatecas, etc. The first volume gives an overview of the geography, historical setting, and local culture. It has some (but not many) family trees, mostly from the 17th Century, so if you're hoping to make a connection - you should have traced some lines back at least that far.
The series is split alphabetically, and since I only have the first and second volumes, I can only attest to these two. Volume two has a total of 40 families/surnames histories (starts with ACEVES and ends with GOMEZ-HURTADO DE MENDOZA). I must admit that I found a couple of discrepancies - so a lesson learned is to always seek to double-check and confirm that the information is accurate, no matter who the author is. All and out: it is an invaluable source of information. I was able to make many discoveries that otherwise, I would not have made. The author has dedicated a lot of hard work to these books, and I can't wait to see the revised versions!
I hope this (long) description gives you a better picture.
-Claudia
Retonos Volumes I & II - for Alice Blake and Joseph de Leon
I think there were four volumes altogether:
Vol I - backgrounder
Vol II - Aceves to Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
Vol III - Gomez de Prodtugal to Munoz de Jerez
Vol IV - Munoz de Nava to Villalobos.
I don't know what the criteria was to include (or not include) certain names, but I don't see Calderon, I see Diaz del Castillo, but not Lizundia. Don't know of the others because I only have the first two volumes,
Good luck!!
Retonos Volumes I & II -
Thanks again, Claudia. I don't believe the person offering the books mentioned which volumes he had. I'll try contacting him and find out. I appreciate your well wishes and willingness to share. Have a great weekend. Alice
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From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 7:11 AM
I think there were four volumes altogether:
Vol I - backgrounder
Vol II - Aceves to Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
Vol III - Gomez de Prodtugal to Munoz de Jerez
Vol IV - Munoz de Nava to Villalobos.
I don't know what the criteria was to include (or not include) certain names, but I don't see Calderon, I see Diaz del Castillo, but not Lizundia. Don't know of the others because I only have the first two volumes,
Good luck!!
Retonos Volumes I & II -
Claudia,
Do you happen to know how could I contact someone who has Volume III ? I am wondering if this volume includes my last name (Michel) ?
Sorry for the trouble and thanks for your help !
Felipe Michel Olmo
> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:10:41 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
>
> Thanks again, Claudia. I don't believe the person offering the books mentioned which volumes he had. I'll try contacting him and find out. I appreciate your well wishes and willingness to share. Have a great weekend. Alice
>
> --- On Fri, 4/2/10, claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 7:11 AM
>
>
> I think there were four volumes altogether:
> Vol I - backgrounder
> Vol II - Aceves to Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
> Vol III - Gomez de Prodtugal to Munoz de Jerez
> Vol IV - Munoz de Nava to Villalobos.
>
> I don't know what the criteria was to include (or not include) certain names, but I don't see Calderon, I see Diaz del Castillo, but not Lizundia. Don't know of the others because I only have the first two volumes,
>
> Good luck!!
Retonos Volumes I & II -
Do you have the new volumes?
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I think there were four volumes altogether:
Vol I - backgrounder
Vol II - Aceves to Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
Vol III - Gomez de Prodtugal to Munoz de Jerez
Vol IV - Munoz de Nava to Villalobos.
I don't know what the criteria was to include (or not include) certain names, but I don't see Calderon, I see Diaz del Castillo, but not Lizundia. Don't know of the others because I only have the first two volumes,
Good luck!!
Retonos Volumes I & II -
Do you know if anyone has any copies of Volumes 3 or 4 of Retonos.
Daniel Briones
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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:01:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
>
>
>
> Claudia,
> Do you happen to know how could I contact someone who has Volume III ? I am wondering if this volume includes my last name (Michel) ?
> Sorry for the trouble and thanks for your help !
>
> Felipe Michel Olmo
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:10:41 -0700
> > From: alicebb@att.net
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
> >
> > Thanks again, Claudia. I don't believe the person offering the books mentioned which volumes he had. I'll try contacting him and find out. I appreciate your well wishes and willingness to share. Have a great weekend. Alice
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 7:11 AM
> >
> >
> > I think there were four volumes altogether:
> > Vol I - backgrounder
> > Vol II - Aceves to Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
> > Vol III - Gomez de Prodtugal to Munoz de Jerez
> > Vol IV - Munoz de Nava to Villalobos.
> >
> > I don't know what the criteria was to include (or not include) certain names, but I don't see Calderon, I see Diaz del Castillo, but not Lizundia. Don't know of the others because I only have the first two volumes,
> >
> > Good luck!!
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Retonos Volumes I & II -
Is this the newer version of volumes I and II? Or are these the older editions?
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From: Daniel Briones
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:56:16
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
Do you know if anyone has any copies of Volumes 3 or 4 of Retonos.
Daniel Briones
> From: felipe_michel@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:01:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
>
>
>
> Claudia,
> Do you happen to know how could I contact someone who has Volume III ? I am wondering if this volume includes my last name (Michel) ?
> Sorry for the trouble and thanks for your help !
>
> Felipe Michel Olmo
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:10:41 -0700
> > From: alicebb@att.net
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
> >
> > Thanks again, Claudia. I don't believe the person offering the books mentioned which volumes he had. I'll try contacting him and find out. I appreciate your well wishes and willingness to share. Have a great weekend. Alice
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos Volumes I & II -
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 7:11 AM
> >
> >
> > I think there were four volumes altogether:
> > Vol I - backgrounder
> > Vol II - Aceves to Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
> > Vol III - Gomez de Prodtugal to Munoz de Jerez
> > Vol IV - Munoz de Nava to Villalobos.
> >
> > I don't know what the criteria was to include (or not include) certain names, but I don't see Calderon, I see Diaz del Castillo, but not Lizundia. Don't know of the others because I only have the first two volumes,
> >
> > Good luck!!
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Retonos Volumes I & II -
Hello Everyone!
There are only two volumes out from 1985. The books were being revised and had 5 volumes added, but
everyone is waiting for them to be published and offered to the public. They were suppose to come out last year
but didn't. I usually ask Rick Rodriguez if he has any news since he has contact with the author and it was from
Rick that I got my books.
Sofia
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