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This record is Jose Claro Sandate Ramirez baptized Aug 15 1866. I'm trying to figure out if it says Claro's birth date. I see that his Parents are Jose Tiofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarista Ramierz, with maternal grandparents Jose Francisco Ramierz and Maria ?? is this Tomas or Juana Llamas. Is it also listing the paternal grandparents as Pable Sandate and Maria Josefa Sandate. What I'm wonder is if is also listing great grandparents? There seems to be additional names listed toward the end of the document, but I can't make them out. I'd be grateful if someone help me out with the language barrier again. I'm definitely going to sign up for more Spanish classes in the Spring.

Thanks again.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20131-54430-52?cc=1860864…

The record is last entry on page on the right. Thanks again.

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It also says the child was 3 days old (infante de tres días). The record of dated August 15, so depending on how they counted, he could have been born on the 12th or the 13th. The feast of Saint Clare of Assisi is celebrated on August 11, but before the 1960's it was celebrated on August 12th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_of_Assisi

However, children not always got the name of the saint whose feast was celebrated the day they were born:
The previous record is of a girl named Hipólita, 3 days old, baptized on the 14th, and the feast of St. Hippolytus falls on the 13th (and the girl was born on the 11th or 12th). The one before is of a boy named José Tiburcio, 5 days old, baptized on the 15th, and the feast of St. Tiburtius was on the 11th (the boy was born on the 10th or 11th).

The names at the end belong to the godparents (padrinos). They were Jose Cesilio Rodrigues and Maria ¿____? Arriaga.

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Victoriano Navarro

Thank you again. This is very helpful. I knew because I'm Catholic that children are given Saints names, but had no idea it was based on feast that might have been held on their birth.

Thank you so much for giving of your time.

Juanita Henniger

Juanita,

The names at the end of the records are the godparents. Their names are: Jose Cecilio Rodrigues and Maria Catarina Arriaga.

David in Albany, CA

On Fri 12/10/12 7:47 PM , juanitahenniger@msn.com sent:
> This record is Jose Claro Sandate Ramirez baptized Aug 15 1866. I'm trying
> to figure out if it says Claro's birth date. I see that his Parents are
> Jose Tiofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarista Ramierz, with maternal grandparents
> Jose Francisco Ramierz and Maria ?? is this Tomas or Juana Llamas. Is it
> also listing the paternal grandparents as Pable Sandate and Maria Josefa
> Sandate. What I'm wonder is if is also listing great grandparents? There
> seems to be additional names listed toward the end of the document, but I
> can't make them out. I'd be grateful if someone help me out with the
> language barrier again. I'm definitely going to sign up for more Spanish
> classes in the Spring.
> Thanks again.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20131-54430-52?cc
> =1860864&wc=11680471
> The record is last entry on page on the right. Thanks again.

Thank David! I couldn't read those names to save my life, but the writing for this record was so much better then chicken scratches I was reading earlier in the evening. I almost ask the group if anyone could read chichen scratches. :)

Thanks again.
Juanita Henniger

Hello,

What I read was that Jose Claro parents are Jose Trofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarsita Ramires. His paternal grandparents are Jose Paulo Sandate and Maria Josefa Sausedo, his maternal grandparents were Jose Francisco Ramires and Maria Tomasa Llamas.

Thats what it looked like to me, hope this helps.

Thanks,
Barbara
On Oct 12, 2012, at 7:47 PM, juanitahenniger@msn.com wrote:

> This record is Jose Claro Sandate Ramirez baptized Aug 15 1866. I'm trying to figure out if it says Claro's birth date. I see that his Parents are Jose Tiofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarista Ramierz, with maternal grandparents Jose Francisco Ramierz and Maria ?? is this Tomas or Juana Llamas. Is it also listing the paternal grandparents as Pable Sandate and Maria Josefa Sandate. What I'm wonder is if is also listing great grandparents? There seems to be additional names listed toward the end of the document, but I can't make them out. I'd be grateful if someone help me out with the language barrier again. I'm definitely going to sign up for more Spanish classes in the Spring.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20131-54430-52?cc=1860864…
>
> The record is last entry on page on the right. Thanks again.

Barbara,

Thank you for clarifying this information. It can quite frustrating reading these records when my Spanish is so limited. I can tell you how much I appreciate how helpful everyone has been. It makes researching so much more interesting. Thanks again.

Juanita Henniger

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