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Hello and welcome to Nuestros Ranchos

I just opened your post and found your family tree about an hour ago and saw some of my ancestors.
I made some comments regarding our common ancestry and how I list them in my tree.

In your 9th generation you have

378 and 379 Antonio Abad Jimenez de Castro y Gonzalez Rubio and Maria de Jesus Franco Paredes as your ancestors.

I too descend from them

1). Antonio Abad Jimenez de Castro y Gonzalez Rubio and Maria de Jesus Franco Paredes are my fifth great grandparents
2) I descend from his daughter Maria Cecilia de Los Santos Jimenez de Castro. She married Jose Francisco Perez de Paredes.
3)Their son Jose Maria Sengundo (Segundo) Perez de Paredes married Maria Agapita de Jesus Navarro (she married twice).
4)They had a daughter named Maria Dominga Paredes Navarro born on the 11 may in 1827 and was baptized on my birthday. She married Jose Maximo Martin Franco. He went by both the last name Martin del Campo and by Franco. His mother was Martin del Campo and his father was Franco de Paredes. Maximos descendants used Martin and Franco creating some confusion in figuring out how I was related to some of my Martin del Campo cousins.
5)Maximo Martin Franco and Maria Dominga Paredes Navarro are the parents of
6) Dionicia Franco Martin y Paredes Dionicia Franco married Jose Eugenio Padilla they had at least three children. This explained my Padilla second cousins
Dionicia married a second time to Pantaleon Alvarez y Gomez de Mendoza.
Pantaleon and Dionicia are my great grandparents.

So I guess we are sixth cousins.

In my records I have some names listed a little differently than yours

I have Pacho as an abbreviation of Pacheco.
Gen 18. 189, 892. Diego Pacho is Pacheco 1473

For the Ramirez de Cantillana. I have them as Ramirez de Santillana I have seen it as Cantillana but more often as Santillana.

Gen. 12, 280 Diego Ramirez de Santillana 1558

Gen 6, 140. Gonzalo Ramirez de Santilana

Gen 12, 267 Magdalena Labesares. ( you didn't name her ancestors or her Italian version of her surname) her parents are Sebastian de Labesares((Lavezarii) and Catalina de Chavez Sebastians fathers name is Guido ( I have him as a junior ) and his father I have as Guido Labezzarii (senior)

Gen 12, 256 Martin Casillas el Alarife (1556-1618) You do not have his father listed. His father is Pedro Casillas

Gen Martin Navarro I have as Martin Gabay el de Navarro. Navarro was his nickname but was also used as his surname.

Gen 23,046. Toribio Hernandez de Arellano (1530) Aka Toribio Fernandez de Santillana. The Arellano was Arellano de Santillana and most likely from the Ramirez Arellano de Santillana family but not confirmed

Gen 12,152. Carlos Lomelin (1584) aka Carlo Lomellini. I do not have him as being born in 1584. I believe that he was born two decades earlier. Check out my posts on his possible/probable parents.

R A Ricci

Dear Morgan

I am related to you through many other common ancestors beginning with your ninth and tenth generations.
I forgot to add Martin Gabai el de Navarro 's gen # in my response. We may be closer than sixth cousins but I need to go slowly over all your ancestors and compare them to mine.

Gen 23,958 Martin Navarro (1580) I have as Martin Gabay el de Navarro. Navarro was his nickname but was also used as his surname.

When I was typing the first post I added a bit of unconfirmed data by mistake

Magdalena's father is Sebastian Labezaris as I wrote in the post and her grandfather is Guido Labezaris ( el Viejo) but Guidos father is unconfirmed and just speculation and needs more research to confirm. Sorry about adding this bit. In my records I clearly have notes identifying him as a possible but not as probable.

You also did not include any parents for Sancha Velasco de la Carra and alfonso ruiz de temino in your last (twentieth) generation. As you most likely know, this line goes way back in time. This line connects with many political figures and popes. Through this line we descend from a common ancestor to all the presidents of the United States of America , except for one president whose ancestors are from holland. Through this line we have a connection to a famous legendary figure that many people claim didn't exist. This legendary figure appears when doing the genealogy of this couple. Not only does he appear, but the evidence for coloring the true story as a legend also is given. I will be presenting this information next year along with the genealogies of many of the altos de Jalisco families that settled in west Los Angeles / Santa Monica California.

RA Ricci

Hello Mr. Ricci. I sincerely apologize for the very late response but I did not see this post until right now. When I do some more work on my ancestry file, I will make some changes and add more generations to it. In my file that gives my ancestry, I decided to do just 20 generations at that time and then add on to it on a later date. I do know that the line that you speak of concerning Sancha Velasco de la Carra and Alfonso Ruiz de Temino goes far back to different monarchs and other prominent figures. I will add some more to a new updated file when I get the chance to.

Bryn Morgan

Dear Bryn,

I have some very interesting stories to add to many of these ancestors. This line does lead to King John Lackland of England. A few years ago a teenager and her grandfather gained a lot of fame claiming that all the presidents of the USA, except for one, descend from King John Lackland and are therefore related. Since we also descend from King John Lackland, this means that we are related to all the presidents except for one. Instead of checking whether their claims were true like a normally do, I focused on finding out if I had any ancestors in common with that one president that wasn't related. Since I was working on other projects simultaneously, I wasn't productive until recently when I found out that I do have an ancestor from holland. Now I need to work on his tree to see if we have anyone in common.

Rick A Ricci

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Dear Rick,

I remember hearing about that story a few years back. It is amazing how the king who signed the magna carta back in 1215, 800 years ago, is the ancestor of these presidents and some of the founding fathers who helped create the US Constitution as well. Some of what is in the constitution was inspired by the magna carta. If you go back far enough, we are all related in one way or another. It would be great to add stories to some of our ancestors cause all I have is some names and dates, and pictures for a small few of them. Maybe that one president that's not linked does have a link to King John, but it's undiscovered as of now. Plus, we see that as we go back far enough, we have ancestors from a lot of different nations, not just our nationalities. Genealogy truly is fun.

Bryn Morgan

Dear Bryn,

You are correct that the one president is not linked to King John as of now but I am not looking to link him to King John or the other Presidents. I am looking to link him to us through a Dutch ancestor that we have. My goal here was to show that we are related to all the presidents, not that they are all related to each other.

You are going to love the stories of how we are related to some of the greatest knights that ever lived. Some of these knights I had never heard of before researching genealogy. Two of the greatest Knights that ever lived are confirmed to be in the family tree, and a third knight, considered by many Historians to be the greatest knight in history, is our ancestor if Maria Tellez de Castilla is legitimate. On a recent post to nuestrosranchos.org. I explained why she should be considered legitimate. See: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17766?page=1

Two other great Knights are brothers to our ancestors so that makes five great Knights in the family tree. One of these Knights saved the life of another ancestor just as he was about to be beaten in battle and killed so if it wasn't for his intervention one of our ancestors wouldn't have been able to produce our line and we could not have been born. The history of the world would have been completely different if not for this Knights intervention because we would not have had King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella sending Cristoforo Colon on his voyage of discovery. The details in this story are in my book.

The other knight that was a sibling to one of our ancestors had a companion who served as his right hand. This companion was a warrior himself who became "lost" when his boss/ general /knight dies and runs around stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. Yes, he did visit and stay in Sherwood Forest for a time. There was no lady Marian in the story as far as I know. There were even Nottingham officials hot on his trail. There is a monk in the story. This companion was charged with murder and was deemed an enemy of the state. This companion was very popular with the people, especially those that had been followers of the great knight/regent. The names of his boss/knight/regent was forbidden to be said aloud In public, with the punishment being death so the story of what happened had to become a ballad with different names for all the principal figures The retelling of the ballad was actually a political statement for the rights that are given in the Magna Carta. The ballad was based on historical facts and are proven by historical records. The names that are changed to protect the people who repeat the ballad from being persecuted as enemies of the state.The details of this story are also in my book.

Of course I also have stories for the three great Knights that are our ancestors in my book,

Being a descendant of King John Lackland is not a rare occurrence, in fact millions and millions of people descend from him. I did the family tree of a brother in law, Bob Nash, and I found him to descend from King John Lackland. I also found that a sister in law, Wendy Boland, also descends from King John Lackland. Neither of these in laws'family lines came through mexico. That is why it is not surprising to find that all the presidents, except for one, is a descendant of King John Lackland. What I find surprising is the amount of times that I descend from him,his sister, and a half-sister since many of his descendants married over and over again. These hundreds of times that I descend from him and his sister Eleanor is not limited to me but is shared by many members here in nuestrosranchos.

Thanks,
Rick A Ricci

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