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Hello Steve,

I jumped three feet in the air when I read that you wrote :

" I want to step in and present what I
> have collected on certain Alteño branches and additional lines NOT in
> Retoños such as Aldana, Barajas, Gutiérrez de Híjar, Hernández Gamiño,
> Marentes de Otadui y Avendaño, Nuño Rasura de Laín Calvo, Ornelas,
> Sánchez de Mendoza, Vital-Ibarra de Anguiano, and few others. "

I have worked on some of these families myself. I was disappointed when I did not find these lines in Mariano Gonzalez leal's books. My mother in laws great grandmother is Aldana, and she has Vital-Ibarra and Hernandez gamino also from arandas and Ayo el Chico. I also have done some work on the Marentes lines in Jalos and Tepa.
Have you done any work on Suazo and Carmona lines?

Good luck on your research.
Rick A Ricci

Well I hope you are not holding your breath, as my first of several books is still a few years away unfortunately. But when they are ready for publication, there will be announcements.

I have members of the Suazo y Carmona family members in my records, but I am not a Suazo y Carmona by blood. Since I do not descend from them I am guilty as charged of not caring about lines that are not my own. They marry into a few of my lines from Tepatitlán, primarily Alvarez de la Cruz, Cortes, Velásquez, Estrada, Loza, and a few others. I have more info on these families that the Suazos married into.

I have investigated the Suazos as far as I was capable, but not with the same relentless passion and diligence that I endeavor in my own lines, so I have not really continued at all.

And the short list I compiled of family names missing from Retoños, I mentioned Hernández Gamiño, Marentes de Otadui y Avendaño, Ornelas, & Sánchez de Mendoza. All these have chapters in Retoños, but I have discovered new documents in the interim and compiled way more information than he has in those chapters, as with a few other families I can't remember right now.

And how in the world do you connect with the family Vital-Ibarra de Anguiano of Arandas/San Miguel el Alto/Ayo el Chico??? The last name VITAL is quite rare in Los Altos, but it's there!!! They were originally from San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato. What are the names of your Vital-Ibarra and Hernández Gamiño people?? I bet I have them in my records.

SFHL

Dear Steve,

My mother in law was born in San Miguel el Alto

My mother in law descends from Cecilio Rocha (Madrid de la Rocha) and Petronila (Petra) Aldana

Cecilio Rocha married numerous times and he is the son of Jose Damasio de G. Madrid de la Rocha, and Maria Viviana Hernandez Ibarra (Alias Vital)

Jose Damacio de G. Madrid de la Rochais the son of Jose FranciscoMadrid de la Rocha aand Maria Lucrecia Vasquez

Jose Francisco Madrid de la Rocha is the son of Josef Andres Madrid de la Rocha

Maria Viviana Hernandez is the daughter of Domingo Hernandez Gamino and Maria Gertrudis Elias Ibarra y Plasencia

Domingo is the son of Agustin Hernandez Gamino and Maria Josefa Llamas Sanchez

Agustin Hernandez Gamino is the son of Juan Ignacio Hernandez Gamino and Juana Catarina Magana Hernandez Gamino

Juan Ignacio is the son of Miguel Hernandez Gamino and Manuela Maciel

Maria Josefa is the daughter of Nicolas Eupracio Llamas Hernandez and Anna Maria Sanchez

Maria Gertrude's Elias Ibarra is the daughter of Josef Maria Ramon Ibarra Alias Vital y Quesada. And Anna Maria Plasencis is the daughter of Joseph Vicente Plasencia y Asencio de Leon and Maria Marcela Magana Hernandez de Gamino

Maria Marcela Magana and Juana Catarina Magana are sisters and are the children of Jose Manuel Magana and Maria Guadalupe Hernandez Gamino

Jose Maria Ramon Ibarra Alias Vital is the son of Juan Jose Ibarra and Josefa Gertrudis Quesada

Nicolas eupracio Llamas is the son of Marcos Llamas and Maria Navarro Hernandez

Now to the Aldanas.
Petronila Aldana is the daughter of Jose Manuel Aldana (jr) and Maria Trinidad Ramírez

Junior is the son of Jose Manuel Aldana (senior) and Maria Antonia Lopez Vasquez

Jose Manuel Aldana (senior) is the son of Pedro de Jose Aldana and Maria Gertrudis Perez (daughter of Diego Perez de Frias and Maria Romero)

The Suazo de Carmona line I descend from:
I descend from juan Climaco (Quillmaco) Suazo de Carmona and Pheliciana Belasquez

Juan Climaco is the son of Francisco Xavier Suazo de Carmona and Maria Efigenia Losa Trujillo

Pheliciana is the daughter of Felipe Velasquez Becerra and Maria Anna Aramburo

Felipe is the son of Blas Vasquez de Lara Hernandez and Micaela Becerra de Mendoza

Blas is the son of Francisco Velasquez and Catalina Hernandez

Maria Anna Aramburo is the daughter of Pascual Aramburo and Juana Nuno Gaytan

Pascual is the son of Diego Aramburo and Ma.AnnaG. Yanez de Medinilla Alvarado

Estrada Line:

I also descend from Jose Rafael Estrada (son of Jose Domingo Estrada Cortes and Maria Rita GDJ Valencia Gonzalez) and Maria Dolores Gomez (daughter of Jose Ygnacio Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza and Phelipa Catarina Aceves)

Do you have the ancestry of Domingo Estrada Cortes and Maria Rita GdJ Valencia Gonzalez?

Additional info on that email I sent you. The info I gave you is even stronger based on a few new sources that back up my research and how I have organized the lines.
I have additional information on Samuel, his father and grandfather
Samuel is in his fifties in 1339 so he was born between 1279 and 1288. In 1339. Samuel is identified as looking much younger than his actual age which is in the fifties. Samuels son is young in 1339 and lives at least into 1390's, he rewrote his will in 1391 when he disinherited his two oldest grandsons.

Looking forward to your books,
Thanks,
Rick A Ricci

Just thought of two more surnames not in Retoños...Martel de Villegas and Olmos. These have interesting histories.

I'll comment later on your line of Hernández Gamiño and Vital-Ibarra, but suffice it to say that Domingo Hernández Gamiño and Maria Gertrudis Vital-Ibarra are my tios. Their parents are my ancestors. I have lots on them.

However, don't have detailed info on the other lines. Except Velasquez though. I connect there.

SFHL

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