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Hola primos y primas,

My g7's are Francisco de Alba and Maria Ygnes Ximenes, who lived on Matanzas, near Ojuelos de Jalisco, as late as 1732. They had at least 3 children:

a. Ysidoro de Alba-Ximenes, m.Juana Maria de Nava, 25 Aug 1732, Limpia Concepcion, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
b. Felipa de Alba-Ximenes, d. 05 May 1720, Pinos, Zac. Parbula de Matanzas.
c. Joseph de Alba-Ximenes, d. 19 Dec 1787, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal. Adulto de 60 años (b. 1727), soltero, vecino de Letras. Said he was age 30 when testigo in 1764 (b 1734).

Maria Ygnes Ximenes was still alive when daughter Felipa died in 1720, and was deceased when son, Ysidoro, married in 1732.

I can find no marriage record for Francisco de Alba and Maria Ygnes Ximenes in Señor San Jose Ojuelos, Cienega de Mata-Ojuelos, nor San Matias Pinos (nor baptism records for their children), so they likely married and had their children elsewhere. My guess is San Miguel de los Albas, in Encarnacion.

FRANCISCO DE ALBA & MARGARITA DOMINGUEZ DE REYNA

In the meantime, the only Francisco de Alba I can find living in the Ojuelos/Pinos area, during this same timeline, was the son of Alonso de Alba and Jacinta Ximenes, baptized 12 Nov 1674 in Teocaltiche. He married Margarita Dominguez de Reyna, 16 Feb 1711, Pinos, Zac. Margarita Dominguez died a year later, 29 Mar 1712, giving birth to their only son, Salvador de Alba (b 18 May 1712, Pinos).

I think the 2 Francisco de Alba's are the same person, and that he married Maria Ygnes Ximenes en 2o's, and here's why:

Salvador de Alba-Dominguez married Josefa Baltasara de Espino. They had a son named Jose Andres de Alba, who married Rosalia de Alba. These 2 were dispensed 09 May 1790, Pinos, Zac, at 2o grado consanguinidad, because Rosalia de Alba was hija natural of Xaviera de Alba (deceased), the SISTER of Salvador de Alba. Unless she was born before Francisco de Alba and Margarita Dominguez de Reyna married, Xaviera de Alba would have to have a different mother. Dispensa, Jose Andres de Alba con Rosalia de Alba: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6535-BC?wc=3J4S-C68

My theory is, as many men would do, when finding themselves widowers w/ children, Francisco de Alba married Maria Ygnes Ximenes, shortly after the death of his first wife, Margarita Dominguez de Reyna. I just haven't been able to find any marriage records in Pinos/Ojuelos to verify this. I think Francisco went back to San Miguel to marry and have his children, but I am totally lost in those archives (San Miguel appears to shift jurisdictions, over the years).

Would any of you, who are familiar with the Alba's in Encarnacion, have any suggestions for me, as to where to look? Any assistance would be appreciated.

Additional notes:

When Ysidoro de Alba. married in 1732, his age is given as 24, placing his birth around 1708. This wouldn't work with the timeline, since Francisco de Alba and Margarita de Reyna were married in 1711 - unless, he was born illegitimately and later legitimized, or, he was born later, which is my opinion (I've noticed that ages given on IMs seldom correspond with baptism records). He was likely born around 1713-14. IM Ysidoro de Alba con Juana Maria Lopez (de Nava): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JZ3K-1?wc=3JHJ-7MS

Rosalia de Alba had a brother named Manuel de Alba, who gave his permission for Rosalia to marry Andres de Alba. He is probably the same Manuel de Alba who was baptized 27 Jun 1741, on San Nicolas de Quixas, San Matias, Pinos, hijo expuesto de Maria de Alba and padre no conocido; padrinos were Francisco de Alba (who wasn't present at the font) and Maria de Guadalupe. Baptism, Joseph Manuel de Alba: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-Y5JR-H?wc=3P9T-GP6

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Francisco Alba Jimenez (9DQY-HQB/Familysearch.org) is said to have married Ines de Alcaraz in Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia by Mariano Gonzales Leal. There was more on this particular family in the book but I did not write it down as I was just getting info on the Pedrosas and Albas. Hopefully this is correct. My notes were written like the records we try to read from the 1600's.

In looking at my notes, his grandfather Joseph de Alba Retamosa and Catalina de Arenas aka Marin de Penalosa is sister to Juan Marin de Penalosa who took care of Joseph's testament 13 Feb 1642 and passed the following year on the 24 August. Would their parents be Juan Marin de Penalosa and Ana Herrera?

Returning to your other Francisco here is his ID (MT5W-QZ4) though only Ysidoro is listed with his wife who is known as lopes, lopez Nava, Nava, and Delgado, but her parents are not known?

Hi Simona,

Great lead! Ines de Alcaraz is likely Maria Ygnes Ximenes. “Ximenes” might be her other surname. Thanks! Would anyone else have access to the Alba chapter in Retoños? Might have to wait until the next edition comes out (any word on that, Santa?).

The parents of Juan Marin de Peñalosa and Catalina de Arenas (who was married to Joseph de Alba), were Juan Marin de Peñalosa and Catarina de Arenas, who I have as daughter of Juan Gonzalez and Luisa de Cueva; Juan Marin de Peñalosa was son of Juan Marin and Elvira Juarez de Peñalosa. I think Austin Perez might have some sourced documents on this group at Wikitree.

Ysidoro de Alba was married to Juana Maria Lopez aka Juana Maria de Nava aka Juana Maria Delgado. Mostly, she used “Nava.” She was Mestiza, sometimes Coyota, born around 1706 on Palo Alto in Cienega de Mata, hija de padres no conocidos. They had at least 6 children.

Their first child was born 1733 on Palo Alto, and then they drop off the map for 7 years, reappearing in 1740, on Jalomate, in Pinos. I have a feeling they were on San Miguel de los Albas during those 7 years. They probably had children, while there.

In 1742, they move to Lobo, in Pinos, where they remain as late as 1745. Four of their children are confirmed 25 Jul 1753 in Pinos, I don’t know which rancho.

And then I don’t see them again until 07 Jan 1761, and they’re living on Cieneguita de San Miguel, in Ags. Some of their grandchildren would be born there in the 1760’s, when it was in the jurisdiction of San Jose de Gracia Rincon de Romos.

Ysidoro de Alba died and was buried 25 Apr 1786, in Pinos, it doesn’t say which rancho.

So, they appear to move a lot between Pinos and San Miguel.

Gracias y Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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