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Existen una población menoría de ingleses y estadounidenses en Jalisco a partir de 1875. Se revisan los registros de Guadalajara encontrarán muchísimas familias como los Blume, O'Connor, Weber, Hagenback, Conrad, Green quienes se vincularon con la familia imperial Iturbide, Patrick y los Knight quienes se vincularon con los Marqueses de Pánuco.

Incluso, en la Sagrada Mitra se conservan numerosas dispensas matrimoniales para estos "ultramarinos," alemanes, brasileños, franceses, ingleses, italianos, etc.

Debemos acabar con los mitos y las leyendas y establecer la verdad con documentos comprobantes.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Muy interesante, nunca he escuchado o leído sobre asentamientos de grupos Ingleses en México, por otro lado si hay muchas personas de origen Ingles que habitaron el país, principalmente vía E.U.A. rara vez directamente de Inglaterra. Existen por otro lado los Menonitas, que ya hace bastante tiempo que viven en México, algunos de ascendencia Europea mas directa y reciente.

Como consejo y comentario, recomiendo no encerrarse en un punto el cual con el tiempo pudo haberse malinterpretado, Sería mas prudente buscar simplemente entre personas del mismo apellido Flores de la época en vez de buscar directamente asentamientos Ingleses, de ninguna manera digo que no lo hubo, si no que creo yo, basado en mi propia experiencia, que es mas fácil encontrar indicios cuando se empieza sin conjeturas previas. Una pista es la historia misma de la "colita", que si bien han existido varios casos, no creo que hay literatura a la fecha (favor de corregirme si me equivoco) que mencione todo un grupo con esta característica. Esto es mas probable que proceda de la imaginación muy menuda de a principios del siglo veinte, justo después de la revolución, donde se inculca "el movimiento nacionalista", el cual hace de la gente "guera" algo raro.

Sería bastante interesante sin embargo si ésta historia sucedió. Saludos cordiales.

RJ Quiralte

Jose Torre
Hello Linda
I am a decendent of Buenaventura or Ventura De La Torre and Narcisa Romo married in 1862 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. They lived in the town of Santa Ana in the municipality of Jalostotitlan. This was his second marriage after he was widowed by the death of his first wife, Feleciana Alvarez or Albares.
In ascendancy
Cipriano Asencio born 1786 marriage to Maria Antonia Hermosillo ceremony held in jalostotitlan
Clemente De La Torre lived between 1743- 1812 married Rita Gonzalez lived between 1747- 1789 ceremony held in Jalostotitlan
Juan Asencio De La Torre married Maria Gertrudes Franco in Jalostotitlan

This is some of the information that I have. If you need more information please let me know.
Thank you,
Jose Alfredo De La Torre

Hola Linda, How are you ? (my ancestor) I have a Maria Rafaela de La Torre born 1747 Jalostotitlan to Leonardo de La Torre Ledesma and Ana Teresa Gutierrez de Mendoza .Leonardo de La Torre son of Clemente de La Torre Ledesma and Catalina Franco de La Cueva on dec 01,1715 Tepatitlan.
Ronnie Reynoso> From: romero89@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:31:37 -0500> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > >> Hola Jose Maria Vallejo,> > Mi nombre es Linda Romero. I know very little Spanish.> > Mi familia: Fernando de la Torre, b. 1830 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, > Jalisco, married Maria Gutierrez. The had children named Marcelina, > b. 1853; Margarita, b. 1855; and Jesus, b. 1859. They have other > children I do not know the names of. Marcelina married Jose Manuel > Romero in 1870 in Tepatitlan. Manuel Romero & Marcelina de la Torre > had children named Marcos, Serapio, Jose, Martiniana, Castulo, Luisa, > Maria de Jesus, Emilia, Manuel, and Abigail. Castulo Romero de la > Torre married Sofia de la Torre Romero. Mi padre es Ramon Romero, > hijo of Castulo Romero, b. abt. 1880 & Sofia de la Torre. Sofia es > hijo of Jose de la Torre and Elena Romero.> > Are these people in your de la
Torre/Gutierrez family?> > Linda Romero> > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I have a few De La Torres (from the 1700s & 1800s) in my tree also. Most of them are no direct relationship to me except for two of them:

Cristobal De La Torre (b. abt. 1725) my 5th Great Grandfather M. Maria de Haro and their daughter Maria Bartola Cipriana De La Torre (b. abt. 1746 iin Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico) -- my 4th Great Grandmother who married Jasinto Banuelos also of Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico.

If anyone has any info on any of them please let me know!

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Dear Linda:
I keep a database of the De La Torre's I have come across in an attempt to link families. I have baptism of a Jose Serapio Romero son of Manuel and Marcelina and grandson of Fernando. I can look in my files and scan you a copy if I have kept one or at the least give you the microfilm number. I have not worked on that line for quite some time so if you find reference to an Antonio Gonzalez married to a Juliana De La Torre let me know. Thanks.

Maureen

Joseph,

I apologize for rarely contributing to the forum but I do use Facebook all
the time and do have a comment. There seems to be inconsistencies in how
Facebook chooses to implement their suspensions and warnings, so there may
be other factors they use. Both my friend and me have been suspended before
while others in our sorority were not for doing the exact same thing and
sending out the exact same number of messages with the same content. Some
of us were given warnings from Facebook saying that we were near our
messaging limit and others were not. Also, some were able to continue
messaging repeatedly after that, while, others were suspended and one was
banned from Facebook permanently. The person that was banned permanently
was actually the one that did the least amount of messaging in comparison.
But, her account was also the newest, so that may be one of the factors
too. In some cases it seemed like they took into consideration the number
of Facebook friends a person had and how frequently they used Facebook.
Basically, I would use caution and realize there's no uniformity in their
policy.

Ashlynn

I have a little genealogy page in facebook, I am not expert but I think this would allow you to have more tools in order to reach more people without looking like a spam, your page can be done under your own account but will work separately, this is not a personal page, like a regular person, but more like a website where you exchange information, promote, announce, etc. This also would help you to keep that project separated from your personal stuff, then when you send invitations, they would look as a "site" more than a "person". I don't know the limit of messages but is better if you start to build your audience from the bottom up, slow, this would give you more credibility. Hope it helps.

RJ Quiralte

Usually the natural sons where born of unmarried couples, but still couples non the less, is usual that the mother would present the child but in some instances (specially when the mother did not recover well or at all from birth giving) the father would be the one taking the child to baptize, many people were really afraid (religiously) of saying that they were couple when they have no official marriage thus the "unknown" father or mother.

Another reason is when the child born out of an affair, depending of how willingly the father was, it would be him the one present at the baptism, mostly when the father want him to carry his last name, although it is less common you may find this once in while. Many "natural" people latter state in their marriages the names of both their parents and even with the "unknown" last name.

RJ Quiralte

Those are the SNP markers in the test kit that are rarely found around the world based on a database used by the person that wrote the program. http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/

I went to his tools site at http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/details.html and then to the PLINK which is used in a lot of studies.

In the resources link he shows HapMap as a PLINK fileset.
http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/plink/res.shtml

The International HapMap Project is a multi-country effort to identify and catalog genetic similarities and differences in human beings.
http://hapmap.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/thehapmap.html.en

Both HapMap and Human Genome Diversity Project are datasets or filesets or databases of invidividuals from around the world whose genomes were analyzed.

HGDP (Human Genome Diversity Project) was started by Stanford University. http://www.hagsc.org/hgdp/

Most biogeographical analysis calculators such as FTDNA, 23andme, AncestryDNA, Dienekes' Dodecad, Eurogenes, and Harrappaworld, use one of the two or both databases as a source.

The country name beside the rare SNP shows where the rare SNP markers are mostly found. To read up on an SNP see http://www.isogg.org/wiki/SNP

For more info on RSIDs (reference snp cluster id) see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44417/

Armando

Edward Serros

You asked if Huizar and Navarette were from Valparaiso back in the 1700's. Unfortunately, there are no Valparaiso church records per se from that time period. I have found various people from Valparaiso who have baptism or marriage or death records in the churches of Mezquitic, Huejuquilla el Alto, and Monte Escobedo. I remember seeing the surname Navarette (aka Nabarette) in the Mezquitic church records of the 1700's. I get the impression that population sizes (indigena, mestizo, espanol) were quite small, as is documented in "Haciendas y comunidades indigenas en el sur de Zacatecas: Sociedad y economia colonial," 1600-1820 (Coleccion cientifica) (Spanish Editionn) by Agueda Jimenez Pelayo. Navarrete is one of the oldest "espanoles" families from the early 1700's, along with Martinez, Banuelos, Guzman, Olague, Talavera, Lobato, Madera, Robles, etc. They all intermarried.

You might try to find the people you are looking for in the Mesquitic records. It is not as intimidating as you think to review those quickly since you would ignore the "indios"---no offense intended---who constitute the great majority of records and not uncommonly only have a first name, no surname. However, I don't recall seeing Huizar in Mezquitic but that surname is common in Monte Escobedo, at least in the 1800's.

Ed

Jaime Trejo

Do you know which records were transcribed first, the parish records or the records sent to the diocese?

This would be wonderful, I^m sure each of us would benefit. Currently Im in Jalisco and was given the extraordinary opportunity by the Parish Priest to search the original files. Unfortunately they were exactly the ones that are online with Familysearch. However, on the top shelf there were several packages of documents whose exact contents were unknown, but too old and delicate to touch!!!
Deedra Corona

If this project goes (and I hope it does!) forward then maybe we could compile a list here at Nuestros Racnhos of towns that we have found to be most incomplete in their available records.

One in particular comes to mind from my research: Villa de Purificación, Jalisco (or simply, Purificación). It is one of the oldest towns in Jalisco and yet its records available on Familysearch are spotty and only go back to the 1770s. For example, baptismal records start in 1779, Marriages in 1832, and Death records in 1853.

If there are more records stretching back to the 16th or 17th centuries, that would be a true treasure.

Sergio Salés

Hi Again, were you able to trace any of your Delgado ancestors to Juan Jose Delgado after all. From my last post.

"I was doing research on my Delgado Line from Zacatecas when I came across your post. The names sounded familiar and looking back at my pdf copy of "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" part 8 by Granville W. and N.C. Hough. I realized that Juan Delgado and Mathiana Contreras' son, Juan Jose Delgado is listed on page 48 of this pdf copy. The link is www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf This is what it reads "Juan Jose Delgado. MPR:G, on 26 Nov 1775 widower of Josefa Leonarda Juarez and son of Juan Manuel Delgado of Sierra de Pinos and Matiana Contreras, married Ma- Margarita Sanchez, daughter of Juan Bautista Sanchez and Juana Ma. Diaz. They burried son in 1781." According to authors of the book, any direct descendant of Juan Jose Delgado or any other veteran from this list can apply for acceptance to Sons American Revolution or Daughters American Revolution. As "mercadoh" posted on April 28, 2014, Spanish soldiers are being recognized for their contribution to the American Revolution. Unfortunately, my Delgado line was not related,but good luck to any Delgado descendants out there."

I was doing research on my Delgado Line from Zacatecas when I came across your post. The names sounded familiar and looking back at my pdf copy of "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" part 8 by Granville W. and N.C. Hough. I realized that Juan Delgado and Mathiana Contreras' son, Juan Jose Delgado is listed on page 48 of this pdf copy. The link is www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf This is what it reads "Juan Jose Delgado. MPR:G, on 26 Nov 1775 widower of Josefa Leonarda Juarez and son of Juan Manuel Delgado of Sierra de Pinos and Matiana Contreras, married Ma- Margarita Sanchez, daughter of Juan Bautista Sanchez and Juana Ma. Diaz. They burried son in 1781." According to authors of the book, any direct descendant of Juan Jose Delgado or any other veteran from this list can apply for acceptance to Sons American Revolution or Daughters American Revolution. As "mercadoh" posted on April 28, 2014, Spanish soldiers are being recognized for their contribution to the American Revolution. Unfortunately, my Delgado line was not related,but good luck to any Delgado descendants out there.

Hola Carolina,

It appears we descend from many of the same lines!

Here's a link to the information on the 3 Apr 1701 marriage between Bartholome Delgado and Francisca Josepha de Chevarria y Merquelen: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-20365-52?cc=1874591&wc…

According to this, at the time of the wedding, Bartholome was 30 and Francisca Josepha 17 (poco mas o menos), making their birth years 1671 and 1684, respectively. Bartholome Delgado was born on the Pendencia in Pinos, Zacatecas. In her declaration, Francisca Josepha says she had been in the country for 8 years (poco mas o menos…), making the year of arrival 1693. She gives her trajectory up to that point, and since she lived in the company of her parents, it can be assumed that this was their trajectory. Here's an excerpt:

"Dijo: que se llama Doña Francisca Josepha de Chavarria Mercadin, originaria de la Ciudad de Cadiz, en los Reinos de Castilla y vecina de este Real lo mas de quatro años; que es hija legitima del Capitan Don Francisco Chavarria Mercadin, y de Dona Juana Delgado y Valenzuela, y que habra poco mas o menos ocho años se embarco en dicha Ciudad de Cadiz, para estos Reinos, y vino en la flota que fracado(?) su cargo el Conde de San Xamin en el navio nombrado el Santo Christo de San Roman, y desembarco en el puerto de la Ciudad de la Nueva Vera Cruz, en donde estuvo veinte dias, poco mas o menos, y de alli salio via recta para la Ciudad de la Puebla de los Angeles, en donde se detuvo como doce dias pasando a la Ciudad de Nuestra Senora de los Zacatecas, en donde vivio como mas de tres años, y de alli paso a vecindarse a este Real en donde ha vivido cinco años, poco mas o menos, y todo este tiempo ha estado y vivido en compañia y suxecion(?) de sus padres."

Francisca Josepha would wed a second time to Juan Jose de la Puente Ruiz, 8 Oct 1729, in Pinos. The partida says she's been in the Indies for 37 years, confirming her arrival in 1692-1693.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-27138-87?cc=1804458&wc…

Besides the 1700 marriage to Francisco Delgado, I have nothing on Juana Delgado y Valenzuela, nor her parents, nor Capitan Francisco de Merquelen y Chevarria. I'm still looking for the information on her 1700 marriage to Francisco Delgado, since it will hopefully say where she was born.

I have Bartholome Delgado and Francisca Josepha CyM having 8 children - including a pair of twins - and all born and married in Pinos, Zacatecas:
Maria Delgado, b. 10 Jun 1702, m. Antonio de Ysaci y Campo, 19 Feb 1719
Maria Teresa Delgado, b. 19 Nov 1703, m. Francisco Xavier Gaitan, 5 Jan 1720
Juan Manuel Delagado, b. 12 Jul 1705, m. Mathiana Contreras Rodrigues, 19 Aug 1728
Ysabel Barbara Delgado, b 6 Mar 1712, m. Jose Gordiano Gaitan, 7 Mar 1734
Marina Francisca Delgado, b 3 May 1714, m. Juan Nicasio Gaitan, 7 Mar 1734
Thoribio Francisco Delgado, b. 3 May 1714,
Pheliciana Efiguenia Delgado, b. around 1716, m. Manuel de la Puente, 30 Nov 1734
Onorato Domingo Delgado, b. 23 Aug 1717, m. Maria Guadalupe Sanchez, 14 Feb 1748

Bartholome and Francisca Josepha are my g7s, I descend from their daughter Maria Teresa, who was married to Francisco Xavier Gaitan, son of Miguel Gaitan and Antonia Arias de Bedoya.

Here's a lead on Petra Martin Chavez: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15842

I hope this helpful!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

JRefugioGHermosillo

Dear Carolina,

My mother and I recently joined Nuestros Ranchos and we are researching our Delgado line in Pinos, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. You can look up our genealogy file under Ramirez, Patricia. Bartholome Delgado is my mother's 6th great grandfather. We are descended from his son, Juan Manuel Delgado who married Mathiana Contreras Rodriguez in 1728. Hopefully, some of our information will be of use to you.

With many regards,
Patricia Ramirez

>
> Alicia is correct. I was hired and researched the family in question. I
> took it back to Jose de la Lus Ramirez. They want someone to take the line
> back to Spain. I didn't want to make any promises about being able to trace
> that family to Spain since there are gaps in the Jerez records. I reached
> out to Linda and she confirmed it.

> The Producers asked for the name of a Researcher in Mexico and I suggested
> Salvador Cabral Valdes since he has done so much research in Jerez, but he
> did not respond to our e-mails.

> The civil records would not be of any help since the civil registry didn't
> exist in that time period.
>

Maria Cortez

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On
> > Behalf Of Alicia Carrillo
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:27 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Researcher Needs Help
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > Maria Cortez of Nuestros Ranchos and Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
> > is currently doing research for PBS, Finding your roots, the Henry
> > Louis Gates production. That would make 2 people from Nuestros Ranchos.
> >
> > Alicia
> >
>

how exciting for you each time you find that one record that takes you back another generation. We all get excited for you and ourselves when that happens!
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:05 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Found the matrimonio of the Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in the year 1758, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales are the "maternal" ggg grandparents of my grandfather "Antonio Madera Madera" since my paternal great grandparents are Calixto Madera De La Paz and Maria Clemencia Madera. So that makes Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales my gggg grandparents through side of Maria Clemencia Madera.

Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio in 1758:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28vaurp.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27987-55?cc=1874591&wc…

Lazaro Madera is the son of "Blas Madera and Theresa De Abila"

This is great because now I found another generation "Blas Madera" to keep backtracking.

In 1783 Lazaro Madera passed away from a lightening strike. His wife Juana Micaela Perales passed away at the age of 68 in 1804.

The son of Lazaro Madera is name Marcelo Madera and in the census of 1828 Marcelo Madera is first on the list as the owner of Rancho De Los Maderas.

I am still trying to find who the parents are of Francisco Madera. Francisco Madera is the paternal ggg grandfather of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera. Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar are my Paternal gggg grandparents.

Francisco Madera/Maria Leocadia De Huizar
Lazaro Madera/Juana Micaela Perales

Are the same generations of paternal and maternal ggg grandparents of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera and they are my gggg grandparents.

Estimado Primo steven,

Que gusto ver un texto tuyo de nuevo, quiero decir, hace algunos días que no te veíamos por aquí, pero wow !!!! cuando nos escribes algo es siempre outstanding!!

Gracias Steven por compartir y ordenar tantos hallazgos y te doy las gracias anticipadas por las histórias de los personajes que nos vas a compartir, creo que todos los asiduos a nuestros ranchos estámos muy emocionados por conocerlas.

Yo en lo particular estoy muy contento de saber que nos escribirás sobre Don Guillermo González Camarena, ya que he planeado hacer su genealogía pero nunca la he iniciado; también me ha interesado hacer la de Vicente Fernández, pero al igual que la otra, tampoco la inicié; enfín,

Un placer saludarte de nuevo y quedar a tus órdenes

Con afecto y admiración

Carlos A. Peredo

Steven,

Yo tengo un dato que busca, referiendome al matrimonio entre Joseph-María López y Micaela-Anastasia Vásquez, siendo que Micaela fue hermana de mi 5ta abuela materna, Maria Faustina Vasquez Maciel. Yo desciendo de Cristobal Vasquez de Lara y Petronila de Padilla de dos hermanos: Cristobal Manuel Vasquez de Lara por mi lado paterno y Esteban Vasquez de Lara por mi lado materno.

Yo tengo en mis datos esta informacion:

Name: Josse Maria Lopez
Spouse's Name: Maria Michaela Basquez
Event Date: 28 Jan 1783
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Jasinto Lopez
Mother's Name: Lucia Manuela
Spouse's Father's Name: Christoval Basques
Spouse's Mother's Name: Asencia Manuela Masiel
Padrinos: Josse Damacio de la Cruz, Raphaela Narsisa

Batch: M60322-7
Film: 279298
Location: Bk 7, pg 15; img 127
Source: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-43687-6?cc=1874591
Index: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHG5-62H

Maria Faustina Vasquez Maciel fue casada alrededor 1781 probablemente en Jalostotitlan con mi 5to abuelo Juan Jose Velez, hijo de Antonio Aniceto Velez y Maria Josepha de Sierra Orozco. Ellos casaron en 1754, Valladolid (Morelia, Mich). Antonio Aniceto fue de la familia Velez y Gonzalez de Yslas de Cuquio, Jalisco y Nochistlan, Zacatecas; Maria Josepha fue de San Pedro Piedra Gorda (Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Gto).

Juana Maria Velez que fue casada con Joaquin (Joachin) Antonio Vasquez de Lara tambien fue hija de esta pareja, hermana de mi 5to abuelo. Aun no tengo fecha de nacimiento para ella.

Gracias por compartir su informacion: habia unos datos de defuncion que no tenia, ademas que no sabia de alguna conexion entre mis antepasados y esta persona historica conocido como 'El Catorce.'

Sandra Velez

He is listed as Morisco and she as Loba.. don't let a record like this concern you.. I have on family with 5 children and they range from Espanol, Morisco, Yndio and Mulato libre. in fact Dad was Yndio and Mom was Espanola..
Linda

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:31 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Oh my God!  This is shocking?  What is a "Morifco or "Morisco"  As I am trying to look up that information since this is the first time to see that word classified on one of my relatives from the past in 1758.  Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio of Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in 1758 and I put an arrow over that word:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ztaufb.jpg

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