Nuestros Ranchos Site

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15147

The above is the link for my spreadsheets as promised on the families that I have extracted, but not linked to my research. These families include Alviso, Ledesma and Jauregui. Although these spreadsheets are not referenced, I do have dates and places noted and other information and will be happy and able to give anyone interested the number of the film that they may be found or in many cases, an actual scan of the document. Just contact me, however, I will be unavailable and offline for the month of February and will be back March 4th. The next two weeks are pretty free as we are having a blizzard and we are basically snowed in!!!! It will take Manny and I at least a day of digging to get us out and that is with a plow.

Please be advised that I use patron interchangeably with sponsor in baptisms or confirmations. The parents are listed in column "a" in bold and underlined. The children are listed underneath the parents, but not in bold. Across from the children are spouses and marriage dates if known. Underneath the spouse, in columns, b, c and d etc. are listed the children of those unions and in some cases the spouses and children of those children.

Please use the Excel "find" (those binoculars) option and put in a partial of the name you are looking for, then just hit next to scroll down through the names. It works really nice as I have tried to put the names in as the are in the documents, but sometimes the document is so hard to read I had to guess at the spelling. For example if you are looking for a Perez married to an Alviso, but "Per" in the find function as Perez may be spelled Peres or Perez. You may get other things not related, but it assures you get all the Perez's. It works if you just want to put some letters in from the middle of the name also, such as "qui" for Pioquinto. And if you are really wanting to look at all those people, you can still just scroll down the sheet.

I know this spreadsheet seems a bit obsessive, but what is really neat about it, is when I go back a generation. I link up one of these orphan families and it really expands my family tree quickly and easily. I look through my records and make sure the data is correct and then just copy and paste the people in. At first I thought oh my goodness, I must be crazy to do this, but when I started hitting pay dirt, this method really paid out.

Now this is months and months of work I am sharing and it was many late nights, so I am not infallible and there may be errors, so please forgive me. My fingers or eyes do not work so good when I am sleepy! I will correct them if the spreadsheet is found to be different from the document. On the birth date, I had to subtract the amount of days from the baptism date and so, I could be a little off. However, so could the priests as my mom-in-law celebrates her birthday on a different day than that which is on her baptismal document. I have not searched for her civil document, but would be curious to know if she has been celebrating on the wrong day for some 86 years!

Now I am still working on the De La Torre's and the Gonzales spreadsheets. I may take me a while as I have been dedicating some time to my own roots.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting

Maureen Bejar

This is partly a research topic, but probably also a general topic, so I put
this in research, because I have family information I do not want available
to the general public or to have show up on the internet. Sorry, if this is
not the way to do things.

As I mentioned before, I found the civil death records for my
greatgrandparents in Guadalajara, 1936 and 1941, with both of their race
designations being "mestizo(a)," followed by "mexicano(a)," which is part of
the form, so they would just fill in the blank next to "mexicano" to
designate what type of mexican they were.

Anyways, I looked up mestizo in the regular dictionary and it says this is a
person of Spanish and Indian (like Native American Indian, not India Indian)
descent, also that it means "half-caste." In the Spanish-English dictionary
that I use, mestizo means half-caste, of mixed race. Arturo was telling me
about the caste system in Mexico. I talked to my mother about it and she
says that the elite status was given to the pure Spanish citizens early in
Mexico's history, but later the indigenous held higher status after the
Mexican Revolution and then the Spanish were looked down upon. My
grandmother had told about learning in school, during revolutionary times,
things about the Spanish in such a negative way she would feel really bad
about being Spanish, like it was something to be ashamed of. Anyways,
according to my mother, the mestizos were basically of mixed race, Spanish
and French or Indian or whatever else. My greatgrandmother was Spanish and
Portuguese. The Martin del Campos "de la Yegua Rusa," which my ancestors
were, may have been of Spanish and French descent. However, I am hoping
that if there was any indigenous ancestry, it will say so on records. I
just want to know all about my ancestry.

So, as I was saying, she says how the caste system worked was the rich,
aristocratic Spanish were at the top, the "mestizos" that held merchant type
positions were the middle class, then the Indians were at the bottom. I
know this is a big generalization, too simplified. But, on these particular
civil records, it states that my greatgrandfather was a tailor. I know that
his sister had a shoe store on the plaza right by the Cathedral at the turn
of the century 1800's to 1900's and she had servants, as well. Their father
was a shoemaker, his brother a tailor, so it sounds like they were part of
the middle class. The family also had a farm outside of town, near Zapopan
and were, at times, poor. So, then, I am led to believe that "half-caste"
means "middle class," but I would like to hear more about this. I will be
digging further into this family line and would like to know not just their
race, but how that figured in to their lives.

In researching the history of the city of Guadalajara, I learned that the
downtown had been planned, but then neighborhoods kind of spread and grew
around it, called the "barrios." In these barrios, they were mini villages
in and of themselves, the rich with their comings and goings, their servants
and families, their merchants, tailors, shoemakers, etc. living near them to
cater to their needs. And the Indians were sort of pushed to the outskirts
by Tlaquepaque, I believe. These barrios then became formal districts for
record-keeping purposes and were then called "colonias." The first of these
was in the old downtown. Anyways, that's how I understand it to be.

I would appreciate being enlighted about the above topics if I am mistaken
in regards to the race designation on records, what purpose that served, the
caste system and what mestizo and half-caste really means, and the evolution
of Guadalajara's barrios into colonias. It is a complex city and I think my
family history research will be centered around there for some time, before
I get into records of family that lived in the ranchos.

I have not been actively researching for some time now, but recently I came across a long-lost cousin of mine who found her father in my genealogy database online and we have reconnected. Her father left Mexico as a young man during the Mexican revolution, with a handful of photos of his family, expecting never to see them again.

He never did, but his daughter found us ninety years later and we found some precious treasures including a photo of my great-great-grandfather from 1907.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I374&tree=RamosPi…
http://ramosfamily.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=20&pos=34

This reconnection with this long-last brach of my family has led to me reconsider trying to break through a brick wall that I ran across a while back.

The furthest ancestor in this Gutierrez line that I have is a certain Salvador Gutierrez married to a Gertrudis de Vera in the mid-1700s. I have several children for the couple baptized in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas beginning in 1738, but I have been unable to find their marriage record (and thus have been unable to get back another generation):

1. Juan Antonio GUTIERREZ VERA, b. 1738, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
2. Joseph Maria GUTIERREZ, b. 21 Sep 1739, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
3. Juan Manuel GUTIERREZ, b. 29 Dec 1741, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
4. Gertrudis Dionicia GUTIERREZ VERA, b. 3 Nov 1742, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
5. Juan Antonio GUTIERREZ, b. 18 Apr 1743, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
6. (Jose) Blas Antonio GUTIERREZ, b. 18 Feb 1749, El Durazno, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas
7. Juana Maria Francisca GUTIERREZ VERA, b. 3 Jun 1753, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
8. Vicencia Theodora GUTIERREZ VERA, b. 4 May 1755, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, MEXICO
9. Maria Regina GUTIERREZ VERA, b. 1735

There is a couple that intrigues me in the records, though the grooms surname does not match whatsoever. Any leads or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

SALVADOR SANDOVAL
Male
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO SANDOVAL DE FL.
Mother: JUANA PONCE
Marriages:
Spouse: ANA DE VERA Family
Marriage: 13 SEP 1736 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

Domingo, Jan 11, 2009

Me da mucho gusto ayudarse. Puede pagarme con las respuestas de donde vive y si entiende ingles. Mi primera lengua es ingles y naci en Canada. Tambien mis dos abuelas era de inglatierra.

Gracias.

Saludos de San Diego, California
Patricia Burton

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, leticia reynoso wrote:

> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Navarro en Ayo el Chico...
> To: "s s"
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 4:54 PM
> Patricia, muchas gracias, la verdad es que esta rama estaba
> tan enmarañada que llevaba años postergándola.. porque
> todos son Navarro Angulo, Angulo Navarro Hernandez, etc..
> pero ayer fué cumpleaños de mi suegro y le quiero dar una
> sorpresa porque de oaxaca ya le adelante mucho..gracias..si
> estás muy atorada y te puedo ayudar en algo quedo a tus
> órdenes, posteé la información para que se quede por si
> le sirve a alguien más. saludos L.Reynoso
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Domingo, 11 Jan 2009

Leticia--

Mi esposo, Ramon Godinez, esta registrado en Atotonilco el Alto pero nacio en Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan). Tengo mas que 30 anos buscando sus antipasados. Mi major experencia es en los ranchos de Atotonilco el Alto. Pero si tengo algunas de sus lines en partes de La Barca, Ocotlan, y Nochistlan. Tengo algo de Tepatitlan pero los registros de Tepatitlan no son tan faciles a leer como lo de mas.

Algunas de las lines mas viejas de mi esposo son de Santa Rita y otras partes cerca de alli. Voy a la biblioteca todas los miercoles y esta semana voy a ver que mas puedo decirse de Leonardo Navarro y sus antepasados.

Saludos de San Diego, California
Patricia Burton

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, leticia reynoso wrote:

> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Navarro/tepatitan
> To: "s s" , "genealogy groups"
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:01 PM
> Jose Antonio Navarro +Ana maria Montaño (busco a esto 2 y
> sus ancestros) padres de:
> Jose Blas NAVARRO MONTANO+ Ana Maria Diaz hija de ????
> casados el 15 oct 1788 tepatitlan pades de:
> Cleto Navarro(n,1796 Pandillo) casado primero con Maria
> Eduviges Romero el 5 mar 1819 en tepa ( hija de Miguel
> Romero y Susana Barajas)también los busco
> hijos:
> Maria Eleuteria Margarita NAVARRO ROMERO (n:20 feb
> 1827) + José Onofre ANGULO HERNANDEZ (1825) padres de
> Margarita Navarro Angulo esposa de Leonardo Navarro
>
> y segundas nupcias con Maria Gregoria Sanchez + Cleto
> Navarro ( M:3 abri 1848 Pandillo) hija de Manuel Sanchez y
> Antonia Gutierrez
>
> Saludos leticia Reynoso
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Domingo, Jan. 11, 2009

Miguel ANGULO c. con Maria Antonia DIAZ cerca de 1746 en Mexico
y Algunos de Sus Hijos:

1. Cathalina Rafaela ANGULO n. 1747 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal.
c. 16 May 1770 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jal. con
Hipolito Caciano LOMELIN

Hijo(s) de Cathalina y Hipolito--uno nacio en 1786 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal.

2. Don Salvador Antonio de ANGULO n. 1749 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal.
c. 23 May 1774 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco con
Dona Ana Maria Faustina CAMARENA

Hijos de Salvador y Ana Maria--cuatro nacieron en 1776-1783 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal.

3. Clemensia Margarita ANGULO n. 1751 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal.
c. 11 Oct 1769 en Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jal. con
Salvador Cirilo GALLO y CARDENAS

Hijo(s)--???

4. Ju. Franco. ANGULO n. 1754 Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco
c. 30 Jan 1788 en Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jal. con
Ana Maria ACEVES

Hijos de Ju. Franco y Ana Maria--seis nacieron en 1790-1801 in Tepatitlan de Morleos, Jal.

.......................................

Anna Maria ACEVES hija de Don Joseph Manuel ACEVES y Ma. Margarita HERNANDES c. 23 Apr 1759 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco (Ayotlan, Jal.)

.......................................

Saludos de San Diego, California
Patricia Burton

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, leticia reynoso wrote:

> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Navarro/Angulo/Aceves
> To: "genealogy groups" , "s s"
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:25 AM
> Hola a todos.. ¿De casualidad alguien sabe algo de Miguel
> Angulo y Maria Antonia Diaz en Tepatitlan?, creo que se
> casaron en 1752 en tonala Jalisco esta familia tuvo a:
> Jose Francisco Angulo casado con Anna María Azeves el 30
> de enero de 1788 en Tepatitlan. ( también busco a los papas
> de Anna Maria)
> También busco a Leonardo Navarro casado con Maria
> Margarita Angulo Navarro el 2 jun 1872 en atotonilco.
> Cualquier información se los agradezco de antemano..
> Gracias
>
> Leticia Reynoso
> _________________________________________________________________
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I've made tongue before - it's good when not over done. You boil the
tongue, then take off the skin that covers the tongue. Then you slice it, and
lightly sautee in oil with onions in a red chile (guajillos and tomatoe) sauce
that was pre-prepared. The trick is not to over cook it in the boiling
process or in the sautee process.

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Hi,
I'm a little behind in my emailing, due to computer difficulties, so I
apologize for trying to catch up with the many wonderful discussions.

Anyways, I remember going to my grandma and grandpa's house where they lived
in Inglewood (Los Angeles area) and going into the kitchen to see the
turkey. Well, she always cooked tongue, too, "lengua," so I would see that
big ole thing plopped there on top of the stove and my eyes would bug out.
"You eat that?" And everybody laughed, "Try some! It'll put hair on your
chest!" Seemed like there were a lot of things they ate that would put hair
on my chest, which I didn't really want, seeing as how I was a girl! I
never developed a taste for any of the organ meats and such that she served,
but I did love the traditional guacamole. Last year, I got all my family
to compile recipes and I put together and had printed a family recipe book.
My aunt had all my grandmother's recipes, so they all went into the
cookbook.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Domingo, Jan 11, 2009

Margarita ANGULO n. 3 Aug 1853 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco
hija de Jose Onofre ANGULO n. 11 Jun 1825 y Ma. NAVARRO
nieta de Jose Maria Franco. ANGULO n. 23 Aug 1795 en Tepatitlan de Morelos
y Apolonia HERNANDEZ

...........................

Miguel AMGULO y Dona Antonia DIAS y sus hijos estaban en mis papeles y en la linea de mi amigo Steven HERNANDEZ.

La informacion nueva de Leonardo NAVARRO y (Maria) Margarita ANGULO Navarro que casaron el 2 Jul 1872 en Atotonilco el Alto fue gracias a las preguntas de Leticia Reynoso.

Que bueno es cuando uno puede ayudar el otro.

Saludos de San Diego, California
Patricia Burton

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, leticia reynoso wrote:

> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Navarro/Angulo/Aceves
> To: "genealogy groups" , "s s"
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:25 AM
> Hola a todos.. ¿De casualidad alguien sabe algo de Miguel
> Angulo y Maria Antonia Diaz en Tepatitlan?, creo que se
> casaron en 1752 en tonala Jalisco esta familia tuvo a:
> Jose Francisco Angulo casado con Anna María Azeves el 30
> de enero de 1788 en Tepatitlan. ( también busco a los papas
> de Anna Maria)
> También busco a Leonardo Navarro casado con Maria
> Margarita Angulo Navarro el 2 jun 1872 en atotonilco.
> Cualquier información se los agradezco de antemano..
> Gracias
>
> Leticia Reynoso
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail te da 5GB de capacidad.
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Domingo, Jan. 11, 2009

Leonardo NAVARRO c. 2 Jun 1872 en Atotonilco el Alto, Jal. con
Margarita ANGULO

Sus Hijos--tres

Ma. Cristina NAVARRO n. 28 Oct 1872 en Ayo el Chico, Jal. (Ayotlan)

Jose Lauro NAVARRO n. 20 Aug 1874 en Ayo el Chico, Jal. (Ayotlan)

Jose Alfredo de Jesus NAVARRO n. 16 Jul 1878 en Ayo el Chico, Jal. (Ayotlan)

........................

???? Jose Leonardo NAVARRO* n. 6 Nov 1846 en Ayo el Chico, hijo de
Visente NAVARRO y Pragedis GONSALES--
nieto de Manuel NAVARRO y Apolonia PERES y
Nieto de Marciano GONSALES y Guadalupe MENDES

.........................

Hermano de Jose Leonardo NAVARRO* era
Jose Juan Francisco NAVARRO n. 20 Jun 1850 Ayo el Chico, Jal.

.........................

Saludos de San Diego, Ca.
Patricia Burton

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, leticia reynoso wrote:

> From: leticia reynoso
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Navarro/Angulo/Aceves
> To: "genealogy groups" , "s s"
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:25 AM
> Hola a todos.. ¿De casualidad alguien sabe algo de Miguel
> Angulo y Maria Antonia Diaz en Tepatitlan?, creo que se
> casaron en 1752 en tonala Jalisco esta familia tuvo a:
> Jose Francisco Angulo casado con Anna María Azeves el 30
> de enero de 1788 en Tepatitlan. ( también busco a los papas
> de Anna Maria)
> También busco a Leonardo Navarro casado con Maria
> Margarita Angulo Navarro el 2 jun 1872 en atotonilco.
> Cualquier información se los agradezco de antemano..
> Gracias
>
> Leticia Reynoso
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail te da 5GB de capacidad.
> http://download.live.com

I started out only doing civil records and used the civil marriage date as
the day the couple was married. I was happy with that until I started
getting records off of Family Search, which only uses church records. The
dates I had and they showed were always different and I wondered why, until
it dawned on me that the civil union was on one day, then the couple would
later get married in the church. So, now I try to get both the civil and
the church record and, in the process, have found additional information
that just one type of record would not have provided. I also get the civil
birth records and the baptisms for the same reason, to get more information
on someone and the family. Of course, now I am to the point where there are
no civil records, pre-1860's, and only then look for church records.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hola a todos.. ¿De casualidad alguien sabe algo de Miguel Angulo y Maria Antonia Diaz en Tepatitlan?, creo que se casaron en 1752 en tonala Jalisco esta familia tuvo a:
Jose Francisco Angulo casado con Anna María Azeves el 30 de enero de 1788 en Tepatitlan. ( también busco a los papas de Anna Maria)
También busco a Leonardo Navarro casado con Maria Margarita Angulo Navarro el 2 jun 1872 en atotonilco.
Cualquier información se los agradezco de antemano.. Gracias
Leticia Reynoso
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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17298

Hola,
Soy Patricia Haro Vergara, he estado un poco de investigación genealógica de
mi familia,navegando encontré esta página y me parecio fabuloso que la mayor
parte de ustedes, aun estando en otro pais, han logrado rastear sus raices
hasta lo mas profundo de nuestra tierra y recurro a ustedes para ver si me
pueden ayudar, especialmente del lado materno, mi madre Luz Georgina Vergara
Medina era originaria de Guadalajara, sus padres:
Adolfo Vergara Rodriguez (1898)y Luz Medina Gonzalez Guerra (3 de abril de
1900) son originarios de Zapotlan el Grande (Cd. Guzman), Jal
Esta es toda la información que he conseguido

*Árbol: José Dolores Vergara*

José Dolores Vergaracasado
con María
del Pilar Rodríguez

Ciudad Guzman,Jalisco.

Tuvo por hijos:

Rafael Vergara Rodríguez
,Ricardo Vergara
Rodríguez
,Manuel Vergara
Rodríguez
,Salvador Vergara
Rodríguez,
Pilar Vergara Rodríguez
,Dolores Vergara
Rodríguez
,José Vergara Rodríguez
,

Federico Vergara
Rodríguez

Adolfo Vergara Rodríguez
*1898 se casó con * Luz Medina
González-Guerra
*1900-1972 en Cd. Guzman Jalisco*

Tuvo por hijos:

Adolfo Vergara Medina
*1926-2004,*

David Vergara Medina1932-1990
Luz Georgina Vergara
Medina
*1929-2002 se caso 1959*

En Guadalajara Jalisco

*Árbol: Ramón Medina*

Ramón Medinase
caso con Felipa
CastilloTecolotlan
Jalisco

Tuvieron por hijos

Juan Medina Castillo
*1843,* Zenón Medina
Castillo
*1846* ,Carlos Medina
Castillo
*1848* ,Ramón Medina
Castillo
*1851*

Ramón Medina Castillo
*1852 se caso en *1863 con Petra Topete
Enciso
*1836*

* en Tecolotlan Jalisco*

* *

*Tuvieron por hijos*

Manuel Medina Topete
,Arnulfo Medina
Topete
*1865,*Guadalupe Medina
Topete
*1866, *María Petra Medina
Topete
*1867,*Amparo Medina
Topete
*1872* , Daniel Medina
Topete
*1874*

Alfredo Medina
Topete
*1869* se caso con Lucía
González-Guerra

Tuvieron por hijos

Luz Medina
González-Guerra
*1900-1972, *Alfredo Medina
González-Guerra,
Josefina
Medina González-Guerra,Concepción
Medina González-Guerra,
María
Rosa Medina González-Guerra
,
Esperanza Medina
González-Guerra
,
Consuelo Medina
González-Guerra
,Rodolfo Medina
González-Guerra,Carlos
Medina González-Guerra
,Salvador Medina
González-Guerra
Alfredo Medina González-Guerra

Espero me puedan ayudar con alguna de estas ramas, muchas gracias

Atentamente,
Patricia Haro

Hello my name is Maria and I am new to the program.

I have a question. I am searching for my great great grand parent from which I think they were born in Matansas Jalisco which they would be registered in Ojuelos De Jalsico. I think my great great grandparents were born around 1888 their names are as follow.

Jose Refugio Cortez –married to Alejandra Hernandez--------- Son was Antonio Cortez Hernandez born in 1909 who is my grandfather

Lorenzo Alvarado---married to Francisca Ortiz ----------- Daughter was Ma Manuela Alvarado Ortiz which was my grandmother

If any names sound familiar....please let me know. Also I have reasearch the Ojuelos films and the earliest films are from 1879 wondering if there are any from 1888 to current.

Thanks

Alicia, that was really nice, and these are the same feelings I have
when researching. Every little tidbit of new information about my
ancestors gets me motivated.

Gilbert Paez-Austin, TX

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Our stories and how we got here (Joseph Puentes)
2. Our stories and how we got here (Alicia Carrillo)

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:33:14 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Our stories and how we got here
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Wow Alicia you made me wipe a "gotita de cada ojo." What a wonderful
group of thoughts, words and love you'll have for your children,
grandchildren and their children to read days far from now. I'm honored
to have been mentioned and so happy you joined us in this journey we
started together so long ago. together we have seen the group grow and
now with Arturo's magic the group has grown beyond what was possible
with the old technology.

thank you for you support and for playing such an important role of
nurturing the new members just starting their search. Your love and care

flows from each message.

Never forget you have a good friend so far away in North Carolina,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Sylvia,
>
> I was touched by your comments,
> 1.that you're pleased that people have responded to your query.
> 2. that you had some luck with some suggestions to look in San Juan de
Los Lagos.
> 3. that some of your family members had relations from Nochistlan.
>
> Thanks to Joseph Puentes and Arturo Ramos and to all the contributing
members of this group, we all take infant steps and learn from each
other, with the goal of some day finding our common connections.
Eventually you will see that the combination of each baby step propels
you to those leaps and bounds that are oh so exciting.
>
> Here's a little rumination I wrote about how I got here to this
magical hunt for my ancestors.
>
> Pensamientos de mi suegro, Antonio Carrillo Jauregui,
> Thoughts of my Father-inlaw, Antonio Carrillo Jauregui
>
> The years had now passed since my father in-law died
> That March of 1985, now seemed so long ago.
> my children had grown and I had time to ponder,
> who was their abuelo and where did he come from,
>
> Through all the years, I knew not one soul,
> who could call him a brother a primo or son,
> who raised him, who loved him who taught him to love.
> who showed him the values my husband had learned.
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> My children had their children, we were now abuelos.
> what could I tell them, about their bis-abuelo,
> where did he come from, who taught him to love,
> who were his parents and where did they come from.
>
> One day just by chance, I was scanning on-line,
> I googled some names and by chance found roots-web.
> I entered his name and the name Tlachichila
> and there I found queries from others like me,
> who hungered and thirsted, who wanted to know,
> where did they come from and who taught them to love.
>
> There were Carrillo's and Jauregui's, Olmos and Avelares
> I read and I posted a message in cyber-space,
> would this be of value I thought as I wrote,
> will anyone read this? will anyone care,
> will anyone know that Antonio was here.
>
> The year was 2003, retirement was near
> I dreamed of the day I would have time to search.
> The message I'd posted in March 2003
> was about to take flight, when a stranger named Joseph
> would write and would ask, would you please join our group,
>
> If you'd like to know more, come with us on our journey
> together we'll learn, together we'll grow.
> As a group we are stronger, as a group we are wiser,
> and maybe some day you will know of Antonio Carrillo Jauregui,
> who loved him, who held him, who taught him to love.
>
> Best New Year wishes to each and every one of you,
> Here's wishing you success in your search for your ancestors.
>
> Atentamente;
> Alicia, de San Jose, Calif
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> ________________________________
> From: SylviaRodriguezRobles
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 5:13:15 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche and Surrounding Areas
>
>
> I am so pleased with the response and research tips. I will look at
Nochistlan and other locals mentioned to continue my search. Someone
mentioned similar points and I found a hit in San Juan De Los Lagos.
> Some family members had wifes from Nochistlan surnamed Rosas and Luna.
They all immigrated to the US about 1917. The families first settled in
Peachsprings, Arizona and then permanently in Needles, CA. Ofcourse over
time the first generation has passed away and most descendants now live
in other parts of California, Nevada and Arizona and Washington state.
> Thank you all so much, this is so much fun!
>
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> Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Welester was kind enough to send me a disk with batch numbers for Mexico
via Esther Herold (thanks everyone). Note that the batch number that
have ** next to them are probably not going to work. Does anyone know
why these don't work and what happened to those batch numbers. Seems
that if they were existent at one time they still might be available
some place. Possibly on an older pre 1988 version of the IGI. Is that
only to be found on Fiche somewhere or is it no existent? The fiche
found in todays FHC what is the date of the IGI? I've been told but I
can't remember right now.

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/RANCHOS/BatchNumbers/Jalisco.pdf

thanks

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Hello-

I am researching my maternal line and have hit a road block. Does anyone have this book mentioned above? My library will not do aninterlibrary loan and I think it could really help.

Right now I am looking for the parents of:

JOSSEFA MARCELA GONZALES married to

ANTONIO DE SAN BUENAVENTURA. DE LA SMA. TRINIDAD CUELLAR FIGUEROA

sept. 24th 1775 in Aguascalientes.

Would like to find chiristening and parents of jossefa.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Miri

Miri,

You can order the microfilm, 0299830 which is the marriages for 1772-1777
for Aguascalientes. Through your local Family History Center. It does have
the marriage entry for ANTONIO BUENA VENTURA DE CUELLAR & JOSSEFA MARCELA
GONZALES.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Does any one have this book? : Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara Antiguo -de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII
Date: 01/05/09 16:55

>
> Hello-
>
> I am researching my maternal line and have hit a road block. Does anyone
have this book mentioned above? My library will not do aninterlibrary loan
and I think it could really help.
>
> Right now I am looking for the parents of:
>
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> JOSSEFA MARCELA GONZALES married to
>
> ANTONIO DE SAN BUENAVENTURA. DE LA SMA. TRINIDAD CUELLAR FIGUEROA
>
> sept. 24th 1775 in Aguascalientes.
>
> Would like to find chiristening and parents of jossefa.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miri

Leticia, Alessandro, Steve

--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Xevilla wrote:
From: Xevilla
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:17 PM

Searching Google Earth I came upon the satellite vision/map of Zacoalco de
Torres Jalisco and surrounding areas.
Also having contact with someone who regularly emails slides/pictures to me if
you would like me to forward these slides let me know.

which date would you post in your records for a marriage, the civil record if it appears dated first or the church date if you have it? I've been told that parents did not consider their children married until it was done in the church and they were not allowed to live together until the church marriage. I would imagine there were couples who could not marry in the church but could have a civil marriage. What have other members of the group found?

Linda in Everett

I thought you'd might enjoy reading this article on our heritage
 
Yolanda

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, yotomas@yahoo.com wrote:

From: yotomas@yahoo.com
Subject: O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
To: yotomas@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:22 PM

This story was sent to you by: yotomas@yahoo.com

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O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
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Gustavo Arellano and his extended family celebrate Christmas Eve at his Tia
Maria's house with a feast of epic proportions.

By Gustavo Arellano > > >

December 24 2008

My parents remain the only ones of their respective siblings who have no
grandchildren, so we -- Mom, Dad, me, a brother and two sisters -- spend most of
our Christmas Eves with the family of my Tia Maria.

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-arellano24-2008dec24,0,43944…

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com

I noticed a few of us with roots in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. I visited Teocaltiche in 1998. I visited with the local cronista, Senor Rameriz, the uncle of author Nicolas De anda Sanchez.

I have been going through the IGI and ordering films, but having a difficult time getting pass my great-grandfather Mauro Rodriguez.

I have used tips offered by a member to search for siblings on rolls. This has worked.

In the book on Teocaltiche my family is mentioned in the talaberteros section. I know from the past some of you worked with the author. --Nicolas De Anda Sanchez. I know he must be getting on in years. I would like to get my information to the author since conventional search tools not working. Since he gound it noteworthy to add my family to the book I thought it would be of interest to him to know about the descendants. Perhaps he has source information of value for my historical benefit.

Most importantly, I would love to share family backgrounds andi mmigration pattern to USA. Maybe some links?

HAPPY NEW YEAR! I hope your new year will be filled with rewarding family research.
I was going through some old (really OLD) email messages this morning - the "Ancestry.com" newsletter that I had been ignoring for quite some time, and came across a reference to this site:

http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/

and thought it would be of interest to those of you who have worked with your DNA (I have not so I did not read this blog). Just thought I would share.

Natalie Castro Coleman

Happy Holidays to all:

I have a civil marriage record from Distrito Federal, Mexico dated 07 Jan 1917 and I am unable to translate two statements. “En la casa no 94 de la oclava del Reloj el Sr Pbro D.J. Guadalupe Chavez, V.P. asistio a siete de enero de mil novecientos diecisiete al matrimonio que in extremis (or fue in extremis) contrajeron Juan Breña y Ma Gonzalez fueron testigos Francisco y Ana Breña “

I am having trouble finding "oclave del Reloj" on any map. Does anyone have a historical map of DF. Quite possible this was located behind la Cathedral in front of Teatro Alarcon (or so I was told).

Also what does que in extremis or fue in extremis means.

And while on the subject of maps, I am looking for Callejon del Indio Triste No 59, Zacatecas, Zac, Mx which was the residence of my uncle, Marcelo Gonzalez.

Any assisstance is appreciated. Anita

I am wondering if anybody has any ties to the Mora family from Ocotlan. I have Jose Antonio Mora born in Ocotlan 1806. Parents were Rafael Mora and Gertrudis Baca. I found a Jose Rafael Mora born in 1786 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, but I haven't been able to confirm if it's the correct Jose Rafael Mora. I was wondering if any members have any Mora line tying into the southern end of Jalisco. Jose Antonio Mora married Trinidad Villaroel of Atotonilco el alto, Jalisco in 1826 in Ocotlan. Please if anyone has any information would they reply it would be greatly appreciated.

Daniel Briones