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Here is another bird, this time with a baptism. However, i wonder if it is a calligraphy exercise? Looks a little like a glyph, just the bird's head and some lines or letters under it. Hope someone will take a look. The person in the entry is not on my tree, i am just plain curious.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18744-23591-19?cc=1883388&wc…

Regards
Denise

Those drawings are based on calligraphy exercises, you may come across many more, dragons, griffins, lions, etc. They used it to decorate the books, but they learned them at their writing lessons.

RJ Quiralte

Hi Ruben,

Like Gil said it means they were executed by firing squad. I have found similar occurences in Autlán in 1811-1813. In Autlán is says the ones there were executed "pasados por las Armas del Rey," which more clearly indicates that they were Insurgentes, executed by royalist soldiers. Interestingly, among the victims there were members of all castes, including Spaniards. It also lists their widows.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18536-72-51?cc=1874591&wc=MC…

I have also found documents where people were killed by Insurgents. I will try to find it.

These documents give us a different picture than the one sometimes fostered by textbooks. These scenes are what everyday people saw and experienced.

Keep it up!

Sergio Salés

Gil Ramirez wrote:
War of Mexican Independence 1810-1821. Would be interesting to find out which side the 20 men were fighting for. My Great grandfather x6 sided with the Spanish Royal Crown. He was Teniente de Justicia and Comandante de Armas. I can't say he was a soldier because I cannot find a document indicating that. He was killed by the Insurgency in 1812. There were 8 others who died with him on the same day, each one of them with their own entry in the list of Difunciones.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Per the on-line dictionary, this is what I found under teniente, but I didn't find teniente de justicia. It could be a police lieutenant, not a military lieutenant.

teniente
A. - noun masculine and feminine
tenienta SF a veces
1. (military) lieutenant , first lieutenant United States
·teniente coronel lieutenant colonel
·teniente de navío lieutenant
·teniente general lieutenant general
2. (=ayudante) deputy , assistant
·teniente de alcalde deputy mayor
·teniente fiscal assistant prosecutor
B. - adjective
·estar teniente >
** to be deaf

I am curious Gil Ramirez. What is the Comandante De Armas?

Because as I was looking through defunto records of our village of Huejuquilla. I found someone who was the "Comandante De Armas" of our village:

His name is "Chris Santos Gonzalez, Espanol" was 60 years old when he passed away in 1820. And it says "Comandante de Armas de este pueblo"

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2a5k7rr.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-52486-18?cc=1874591&wc…

Also in 1814:

"Capitan Don Ignacio Martinez De Murguia" where he was 56 years old, passed away from hidropecia. Left his money to be divided up into the poor. He passed away at "La Hacienda De San Antonio De Padua" under the jurisidiction of our village "Huejuquilla El Alto" in Jalisco Mexico in 1814.

I am not sure what else it says about "esposa?"

I made copy and tried to fit it into one page:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/xgf7kn.jpg

Source starts at bottom of left page then continues on top of right page:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51805-7?cc=1874591&wc=…

Zacatecano

This unknown man just run away from the battle in the Hacienda de San
Antonio, the one you related before when you read that 14 people died in the
Guerra. It was the same day and the same battle. He arrived to rancho la
Cienega where he died. they don’t even know which army he belongs to (
realistas or independentistas) . this records do History !!!!

julietamartha

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto of "Unknown" assalted in Hacienda De San
Antonio in 1811

I saw this one on someone who is 23 years of age that was assalted, "taila
una bala en la barriga" it happened in the Hacienda of San Antonio in 1811.
He seemed to be from the Rancho De La Cienega. Can't tell what else the
writing talks about:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/157krk7.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51764-15?cc=1874591&wc…
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Juan,

Aquí Valle de Guadalupe presente. Tu vives en Union de San Antonio o solo
eres de ahí? Tengo muy pocos ancestros que vienen de por aquellos rumbos,
pero si tengo algunos, sobre todo de San Diego de Alejandria, donde sospecho
que de por ahí puede ser mi línea paternal Rodríguez. Tengo algunos Marquez
en mi archivo, quizás coincidamos en algunos de ellos. Los apellidos con los
que estoy también mas relacionados son (en orden cronológico) Rodriguez,
Camarena, Gonzalez, Martin del Campo, de la Torre, Valdivia, Franco,
Hernandez, Valadez, Plascencia, Navarro, entre muchos otros.

Hasta luego,

Ricardo Rodríguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Juan
Marquez
Enviado el: Viernes 14 de Marzo de 2008 1:39 PM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Relatives or Paisanos from Union de San Antonio
municipality (Jalisco)

Hello... I am new to site and am starting to do some serious research on my
lineage. To start I just wanted to know if there are any fellow relatives
or paisanos from the Union de San Antonio area (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los
Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,).

The surnames in my extended family are Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del
Campo, Ramirez, Munoz. If we include in-laws then we can add Reynoso, Loza,
Alaniz & Lopez.

Saludos, so nuevo en este sitio y apenas comienzo con una investigacion
rigurosa. Para empezar, quisiera saber si hay parientes o paisanos del
municipio Union de San Antonio (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San
Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,)

Los apellidos en mi familia incluyen Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del
Campo, Ramirez y Munoz. Si le anadimos los emparentados tambien hablamos de
Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz y Lopez.

Hola Juan ,como estas ? Ojala que bien. Yo te seguro que somos parientes mil veces. My name is Ronnie Reynoso,my grandparents on both sides are from the area of San Julian.Mis apellidos incluye Reynoso,Hermosillo,Perez,Padilla,Magana,Marquez,Martin del Campo,Portillo,Escoto,Gutierrez,de la Torre ledesma,Alvarez Tostado,Munoz,Garcia,Ramirez ect.
IF I was a betting man you are related
Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: jmarquez6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:38:44 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Relatives or Paisanos from Union de San Antonio municipality (Jalisco)> > > Hello... I am new to site and am starting to do some serious research on my lineage. To start I just wanted to know if there are any fellow relatives or paisanos from the Union de San Antonio area (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,). > > The surnames in my extended family are Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del Campo, Ramirez, Munoz. If we include in-laws then we can add Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz & Lopez.> > > Saludos, so nuevo en este sitio y apenas comienzo con una investigacion rigurosa. Para empezar, quisiera saber si hay parientes o paisanos del municipio Union de San Antonio (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,)> > Los apellidos en mi fam
ilia incluyen Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del Campo, Ramirez y Munoz. Si le anadimos los emparentados tambien hablamos de Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz y Lopez.> > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Hi,
I have Ramirez, Muñoz, Marquez and Martinez. If you could put some names and dates to see if they are the same.

Sofia

i've added my moms dna data to gedmatch

You can upload your raw DNA file to www.gedmatch.com where various members
of NuestrosRanchos have uploaded their raw file. I recommend that anyone
that has not uploaded their AncestryDNA.com raw , FamilyTreeDNA Family
Finder raw DNA files, or 23andme.com raw DNA files to also upload their
files to www.gedmatch.com

If you want to find more matches I also recommend that you do a Family
Finder transfer at
https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspxwhere there
are more NuestrosRanchos members. You can also join numerous
DNA projects at FamilyTreeDNA including one that is specific to our region
called Nueva Galicia DNA project.

You should also order a 23andme.com test which is similar to the
AncestryDNA.com and Family Finder but it will give you matches to people
that have not had a AncestryDNA or Family Finder test. It will also give
you your mtDNA haplogroup.

If you have male relatives whose paternal line is from our region of study.
or if that paternal line also left a lot of descendants in our region, then
you can ask them to get a Y-DNA37 marker test. It is cheaper if they do it
through a project such as the Nueva Galicia DNA project.

https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?&group=NuevaGaliciaDNA&vG…

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, wrote:

> The results of my Ancestry DNA are at a standstill pause, while I have
> been matched with several other that had their DNA done, their responses
> have been rather negative. My question, can the Ancestry DNA results be
> universally shared and compared with the results from other testing
> entities such as NuestrosRanchos tests. One of my matches came from one
> that has ancestors with the de Leon surname from Encarnacion Jalisco,
> however, he/she did not go any further and I could not access his/her
> private family tree. Is there a DNA forum within NuestrosRanchos?

Si, fue durante la Guerra de Independencia de Mexico
Curiosamente ese mismo dia 30 de junio 1811 el cura Hidalgo fue fusilado y
decapitado en Guanajuato

JulietaMartha

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto de 14 Cuerpos Hacienda San
Antonio/Huejuquilla 1810 murieron en "La Guerra"

I have been moving along the archive of defuntos of Huejuquilla and San
Antonio De Padua looking for the defunto of my great great great great
grandfather Francisco Madera who is the husband of Maria de Guizar and the
father of Juan Benancio Madera (1762).

I arrived to the year 1810 and by curiousity I ran across this document of
defunto of 14 cuerpos que murieron en "La Guerra" and of Hacienda San
Antonio?

What Guerra? The war of indpendence of Mexico against Spain?

http://oi60.tinypic.com/30k91qw.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-53554-9?cc=1874591&wc=…-
2Z3:171931201,171931202,173088501

Edgar Olguin Diaz

buenos dias a todos

yo tambien quisiera saber donde puedo encotrar las dispensas matrimoniales de nuevo leon y coahuila asi como tambien los testamentos de estos estados mencionados.

alguien me podria ayudar ? como puedo encontrar estos documentos?

necesito las dispensas de villaldama , lampazoz de naranjo,sabinas hidalgo,monterrey,galeana,salinas victoria, estos en nuevo leon y los de coahuila son :monclova, sanbuenaventura, nadadores, saltillo, ramos arizpe, muzquiz, parras, torreon.

agradezco la atencion prestada

que tengan un excelente dia
saludos

Hola Salvador, me encuentro en una situación parecida o igual.

Mis sextos abuelos maternos tuvieron unos 13 hijos en Santiago NL a partir de 1762, de 10 que contrajeron matrimonio allí mismo, 6 necesitaron dispensas de consanguinidad y uno por afinidad entre 1790 y 1820 más o menos. Los documentos que tengo de no aportan los árboles genealógicos ni especifican cuál es el vínculo de los contrayentes y no logro encontrar las dispensas en Guadalajara, muy probablemente por no se encuentran allí sino que fueron dispensados en el Obispado de Monterrey que se fundó en 1777. ¿Dónde se pueden encontrar esos archivos? Ojalá que alguien en el grupo nos oriente.

Buena suerte, estaré al pendiente por si encuentro algo te dejo saber.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

Salvador, hay varias dispensas de Nuevo León y Coahuila ya en www.guadalajaradispensas.com.
Haz una busqueda en la casilla "Search this blog."

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

These states are part of the Archdiocese of Monterrey, which consists of the dioceses of
* Diocese of Ciudad Victoria founded 1964
* Diocese of Linares founded 1962
* Diocese of Matamoros founded 1958
* Diocese of Nuevo Laredo founded 1989
* Diocese of Piedras Negras founded 2003
* Diocese of Saltillo founded 1891
* Diocese of Tampico founded 1870

The diocese of Monterrey (originally called diocese of Linares) was founded in 1777, and was formed from part of the dioceses Mexico, Michoacan, but mostly from Guadalajara. It initially covered the modern states of Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas and Texas.

The microfilms of the Diocese of Monterrey are available online at Family Search, but are not as extensive as those of Guadalajara. Matrimonial investigations, for example, date from 1888. Marriage records start much earlier.

The records you are looking for could be in Guadalajara, but I would not expect to find them there as each parish/diocese kept their own records. The time you are looking at is well after the founding of the Monterrey diocese, which suggests, if they exist, are in Monterrey. The very early records, from the time this area was in the diocese of Guadalajara, are in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Don Fernando Arquelles was from Asturias. There were a number of Asturians in the general area of Huejuquilla el Alto/Valparais/Mesquitic in the late 1790 time frame. Don Domingo Antonio Felgueres came from Villaviciosa, Asturias in 1790 and served as lieutenant governor of Mesquitic (Mezquitic); he died in 1798 from unknown causes. Domingo's brother, Josef, was a Franciscan friar who came about the same time and you will find him periodically in different records. There were at least two other Asturians, Don Antonio Lopez del Llano, Domingo's best friend, and Don Alonzo Lopez del Campo, a cousin of Don Antonio.

FWIW, in the 1700's the Asturians (and other españoles) came to Mexico looking to marry wealthy criollo daughters (I can give you references/sources if you are interested). The wealthy criollo fathers would prefer a Peninsular son-in-law to a Mexican-born son-in-law even if the Peninsular was not particularly wealthy or not of high social class. Both Domingo Antonio Felgueres and Antontio Lopez del Llano married into the wealthy Martinez family of Mesquitic. The Martinez family's wealth was likely from the silver mines of Bolaños; they also lived near Totatiche. When Domingo Antonio Felgueres died, Antonio Lopez del Campo, married Domingo's widow.

It is all about money. The Spaniards loved God, Glory and Gold (Silver), not necessarily in that order.

Hi ?,

It means don Fernando Arguelles is a native of the Principality of Asturias, a place in northern Spain.

Christopher de Cuellar

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797

I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias?  I have no relation to him but just curious.

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Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug?  I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug.

Welcome to the fascinating world of history and genealogy! We all catch it eventually. The feeling of desire, intrigue, hunger after genealogy. One door opens three and before we know it, our family tree can span several generations over centuries. Genealogy is truly and art, not a mere hobby.

The document is beautifully written. It should say, "Don Fernando de Arguelles, natural del Principado de Asturias, de veinte anos." What sparks my curiosity is he was only twenty years old and was called Don. It was very common during colonial Mexico for these "youngsters" to be imported by their wealthy uncles to administrate their businesses. He was from Asturias, Spain, de facto, he was "asturiano" by birth. There are numerous Arguelles families in the region, most seem to descend from the main house in Asturias. The ones nearby in Zacatecas were the Arguelles y Miranda who married into the Sanchez de Tagle family who possesed the Marquisate of Altamira the other one of interest are the Arguelles y Quinones who married into the Montes y Vigil family. My question is what was don Fernando, a young twenty year old doing at this location. He did not even live enough to marry and reproduce, which was usually the main objective of these peninsulares along with their businesses.
The peninsulares often seeked to marry wealthy criollas to establish themselves really quickly in the region, which would ensure them, the important family links, etc. Is it not interesting how all these questions came from one simple question? This is what we need to do, brainstorm. What was he doing there? Are there any documents that may give us a lead, was he a landowner, was there a court case he was involved with? Was he residing somewhere else? Why did he come to New Spain? Who were his parents, the list goes on. Document everything.

Then again, this is not really someone you are interested in? Once you become addicted to genealogy you become me!

Daniel Mendez de Torres y Camino

Hello, I just saw your message while searching for Ursua's on Nuestros Ranchos. I hope you see this message since you posted yours back in 2007. I have Ursua ancestors, and my research is leading me to Aguascalientes, and I do see your ancestors Luiz Joseph Ursua Chabes in my search. This is what I got. My first Ursua I found was Lugardo Ursua, born and married in Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, married to Juana Maria Nieves Garcia. His parents were Tomas de Ursua and Juana Maria Casiana Sanches, who came to the Zacoalco area between 1785 and 1788. They originally married in Aguascalientes on 14 nov 1773. Tomas' parents were Faustino de Ursua and Maria Peres. I have not been able to find Faustino's baptism, however, I was able to locate his death certificate and in there, it mentions that his parents were Juan Ursua and Cayetana Chavez and this family was from San Bartolome. Do you think my Faustino was brother to your Luis Joseph?

Saludos, Steve in NC

Just a note, his name was De La Campa y Cos. Many of his relatives can be found in Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Puebla. They all came from Cantabria, Spain. He did not have any male descendants and only his daughters succeded him as Countess.

Daniel MdTC

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> On May 21, 2014, at 3:20 PM, zacatecano020@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I was looking through defuntos of the year 1780 in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and found a defunto of a mulatto de is of "Juan De La Campo" of Rancho Dolores:
>
> http://oi58.tinypic.com/11gpx79.jpg
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> source:
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55910-17?cc=1874591&wc…
>
>
> As you know that nearby about 1 hour on car on the road (in today's standard of travel, there is a Hacienda called, "Hacienda De San Mateo" that was the favorite Hacienda of the Conde "Don Fernando De La Campo y Cos (1676 - 1742)
>
> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_la_Campa