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Thank you, Elvira,

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: campezina@juno.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] research Digest, Vol 9,Issue 11 Re: oficialias

An oficialia is an office as in oficialia #1, #2 , #3, etc of the
Registro Civil.

Some cities have many, others a couple. It all depends on the number of
inhabitants they have to serve.

elvira

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I have found in my research several lineages where the maternal names survived for up to three generations. In some cases it was because the father did not have a surname (i.e. was indigenous) and thus the maternal one was given to the child by default. In such cases, the husband sometimes appears with his wife's name as well.

Iin other cases it appears to be that the maternal side had the land and prestige and was perhaps lacking of male heirs so the children took on the mother's name in order to propagate that name.

Then there is a peculiar tradition of naming women after grandmothers whereby they are given the entire name so if the grandmother was named Maria Saucedo, the mother was named Ana Ortiz and the father Lorenzo Miramontes, the daugher would be named not Maria Miramontes and not even Maria Ortiz, but Maria Saucedo just like her grandmother, thus she would carry her mother's mother's maiden name.

The term maiden name in Latin America is somewhat redundant because women don't really change their names, thus they have a name in their maiden lives that remains their name in their married lives. In modern times the practice of attaching a "de" husdband's name after their own has become commonplace, but that is not considered the woman's name.

Muchicimas gracias, Felipe. Disculpame, pero no puedo comunicarme bien en Espanol. I'm sure that your English literacy is better than mine in Spanish!
My mother's maiden name was Onate, and this information may help locate family, as they were said to have a hacienda in Aguascalientes. Direct family members were still living in Aguascalientes, Agua. as late as the 1960's. How can I access el Archivo Historico de Aguascalientes? Again, thank you so much for the information. Alice Blake

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From: "felipe reyes"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Oñate en Aguascalientes
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:24:02 +0000

Alice:
Miembros de la familia Oñate vivieron en Aguascalientes. Doña María de Oñate
viuda de Andrés López de la Cerda, vendió en en el año de 1743 a Diego de
Medina y Lomas, una mulata esclava llamada Nicolasa de la O. El texto
riginal del contrato de compra-venta dice: " la esclava es de color cocho,
buena gracia y de 40 años de edad, en un precio y cuantía de 240 pesos de
oro común". La fuente documental se puede consultar en el Archivo
Histrórico de Aguascalientes. Fondo de Protocolos Notariales. Siglo XVIII:
Caja 15, Expediente 3 y Caja 14 , Expediente 5.
Felipe Reyes Romo

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Yes, Joseph; I'm definitely interested. San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zac. 04/20/1882 is the only firm data I've found to date on FHC films. Sorry, I'm not that savvy. What exactly are padrones? Is this census data, church data, or both? Please inform me. Thanks, Alice Blake

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From: makas_nc
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pánuco, Zacatecas
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT)

Isn't somebody researching this area?:

Title
Padrones, 1807-1922

Authors
Iglesia Católica () (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilm de manuscritos en el archivo diocesano de Zacatecas.
Pánuco es una vicaría de Veta Grande, Zacatecas.
Membership lists of the parish of Pánuco, Zacatecas.

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Pánuco - Census

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1987

Physical
1 rollo de microfilm ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Padrones 1807-1840, 1864, 1878, 1889, 1922 (no hay orden) - FHL INTL Film [ 1464049 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Hi Arturo!

Here are the cell phone numbers for those going to SLC:

Kitty Cortez - xxx-xxx-xxxx
Rich Cortez - xxx-xxx-xxxx
Lydia Corona - xxx-xxx-xxxx
Mickey Garcia - xxx-xxx-xxxx
Josie T. Trevino-xxx-xxx-xxxx

Rich and Kitty will be staying with a sister. Mickey and I will be at
the Best Western Plaza Inn as well as Lydia Corona and a friend of
hers. These are all that are going. Several others had expressed an
interest in the beginning but then had other commitments and could not
make the trip. Jonathan Walker will be joining us since he lives near
SLC. We will definitely get together once we all arrive so we can
visit with each other. Rich and Kitty will be at the library on Monday
morning at 8am as well as Mickey and I. I am in Houston right now at
Mickey's house and we will be flying out early Sunday morning for SLC
arriving before noon. I had to be in Houston this week and will fly
from here instead of San Antonio.

I plan to hit the Zacatecas records as soon as I get to the library on
Monday. If you need to get in touch with us, feel free to send an e-
mail today or tomorrow (Fri or Sat) since I will not be taking my
laptop to SLC. You can always contact us via cell phone also.

Mickey says hello! We are both looking forward to meeting you and the
rest of the Rancheros in person!

See you in SLC!

Josie

PS....I am sending you a copy of what I received from Rich and Kitty
regarding the weather in SLC....in a separate message, ok?

----- Original Message -----
From: Arturo Ramos
Date: Friday, October 6, 2006 9:38 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salt Lake Next Week
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org

> Everybody and anybody who is headed to Salt Lake next week, can you
> please email me privately and let me know where you will be staying
> and how we can get in touch? It would be nice to organize a Nuestros
> Ranchos dinner or lunch or something of the sort.
>
> I look forward to seeing you all there.

Alice:

I think that beginning with the Porfirian government and certainly after the Mexican Revolution, the state developed its own civil registries and census functions and attempted to usurp these functions all together from the Church.

I would imagine that a census from 1930 by the state would be one of the first ones for that area. I know that in Totatiche, the post-Revolutionary government did a land census around 1920 that is quite good. I found out through that that the little land owned by my father's family in Mexico actually was his grandmother's, which she had inherited from her father.

That then led to me to research inheritance patterns and as it turns out, just like surnames, land did not transfer down the male side only... Lots of powerful women inheriting land, especially in the earlier days of the colony.

Hi all! you could read some about it in Tepatitlan, Jal. in the Enciclopedia De Los Municipios De Mexico, just write tepatitlan, jalisco in your web searcher. We, the alteños could be greek decendants, not french.

Irma GomezLucero escribió: As far as the Legend of the Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa, I heard a
similar legend about one of my ancestors too--not the Martin del Campos
either.

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