Jose, Ernie and anyone else interested in Pancho Villa,

Here is a link to a website regarding the last surviving son of Pancho
Villa. He lives in Northern CA. http://www.navavilla.com/

Maria Cortez

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> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:32:13 -0600
> From: "Jose Aguayo"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ceniceros
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> Hola Nathan:
> I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
> too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General
> Francisco
> Villa and the Division Del Norte. When I read your message, I immediately
> consulted the index of The Life & Times of Pancho Villa by Friedrich Katz.
> There is indeed a reference to one General Trinidad Rodriguez, but no
> listing of his maternal surname in the index. The narrative this 800 plus
> page tome lists your possible ancestor four times. He was associated with
> Villa from his bandit days before the Revolution. Villa considered him
> one
> of his favorite generals -- as evidence, he adopted Trinidad's son Samuel
> after the general was killed late in the Revolution. There is mention in
> the book of Manuel Chao and Trinidad Rodriguez's troops being defeated by
> General Pascual Orozco at the battle of Santa Rosalia in 1913. Trinidad
> Rodriguez was the uncle of Rogelio Rodriguez Saenz whose father owned the
> hacienda of El Pichague. The father, for obvious reasons, wanted nothing
> to
> do with the revolution, but Rogelio also joined one of Villa's brigades.
> The final mention in the book of General Trinidad Rodriguez is when he
> heard
> that Villa threatened to resign command of the Division del Norte during
> his
> dispute with General Carranza in 1914. When Carranza accepted Villa's
> resignation and appointed him Governor of Chihuahua, a disgruntled General
> Rodriguez was overheard to say, "I will go into the mountains and live off
> roots!" I would bet that this General Rodriguez Saenz was in fact your
> "tio
> abuelo" because Villa would have only allowed the erection of a statue in
> his beloved Chihuahua of one of his favorite commanders and trusted
> friend.
> Jose Aguayo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NathanJones"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ceniceros
>
>
> >
> > Ceniceros is a name in our family that is virtually interchangeable with
> > Lucifer himself. El diablo.
> >
> > My mother turned 88 last week, on July 10. She's bedridden. She's always
> > had flat feet, and has diabetic neuropathy, so her tiny feet can't
> support
> > her weight anymore. And she has alzheimer's, so her memory is very weak.
> >
> > But when she hears that name her green eyes still glow red with fire.
> >
> > Ceniceros was the man who killed her father, my grandfather in 1923 in
> > Jimenez, Chihuahua.
> > He was the principal of the school in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua at
> the
> > time.
> >
> > And a member of the brand new PRI Party. Perhaps, the first PRI
> candidate
> > to be assasinated.
> >
> > Grandpa Nicolas found Pancho VIlla's buried treasure, so the story goes.
> > And Ceniceros killed him for it.
> >
> > I don't have all the facts right. But family tradition says Ceniceros
> was
> > released following a general amnesty that freed all prisoners following
> > the revolution.
> >
> > Naturally, the revolutionary period in Chihuahua is of interest to my
> > family. I've tried to find sources without much luck.
> >
> > I cannot corroborate whether General Trinidad Rodriguez was actually my
> > mother's uncle as she has always told me. She took me to his mounted
> > statue when she showed me Chihuahua as a boy, and told me that was her
> > uncle.
> >
> > As I've mentioned before, there are TWO Generals Trindidad Rodriguez in
> > this period, and area.
> > General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla is defnitely NOT my relation. The
> > other Trini Rodriguez is the one we believe is part of our familia. But
> I
> > can find no direct evidence:(
> >
> > I would like to piece the puzzle together for my madrecita querida
> before
> > she dies. Tie the Rodriguez family together at last.
> >
> > Mama lost her father when she was only five years old. Yet she remembers
> > him as if she saw him yesterday. Nothing has been able to erase that
> > memory from her mind, or that love in her heart.
> >
> > I recently heard from a cousin that family friends came to my uncle
> Guerro
> > about forty years ago. My mother's older brother by 11 months. They told
> > him Ceniceros was in town, there in Chihuahua, Chihuahua. They gave my
> > uncle a loaded gun and told him they would go with him to kill him.
> >
> > But my uncle uncharacteristically said his first responsibility now was
> > his own children, not avenging his father.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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