Hello!! I see some Castañon ancestors in this mail can someone tell me.if
they have info about a Gertrudis Castañon I think she.was from Jalisco and
moved to Valparaiso Zacatecas there married Crisanto Guizar (Huizar) around
the 1800 to 1850 or so, I have a branch of my family undefinied there.
Please help!!!
El jun 29, 2014 5:08 PM,
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> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
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> I think it's just the dispensation records; I looked at just a few other
> Jalisco records, which were fine. I did send them a message, but I have no
> idea how long it will take for them to fix it.
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> Rosalinda
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:03:31 -0700
> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Toribio Garcia
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> Hi Mia,
>
> Technically, it would not be possible to be an Indio if the father was an
> espa?ol, and fairly unlikely to be a mulato, unless the mother was actually
> black, but, in reality the?colonial caste system was mostly based on
> appearance and features and?not on a thorough investigation into?their
> racial or ethnic background. I'm guessing that your question is related to
> Toribio Garc?a de Le?n. You are correct that he is?espa?ol, but, if you
> look at George Fulton's Aguascalientes Matrimonial Information here:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014?
>
> you'll see that Toribio Garcia de Leon married a Mulata named Juana
> Hernandes,?so, although their children should be?more accurately classified
> as Moriscos,?any number of other?caste labels are possible based on their
> appearance. ?
>
> Here is the actual IM for Toribio?Garc?a de Le?n and Juana Hernandes?:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11671-65970-66?cc=1502404&…
> ?
> Toribio Garc?a de Le?n was baptized on 1 May 1669 in Aguascalientes:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-90519-12?cc=1502404&…
>
> As it says on his baptism and Informaci?n Matrimonial, he is the son of
> Juan Garc?a de Le?n and Juana de Ulloa.?The?last will and testament of
> Bartolom? Garc?a de Le?n confirms that he and his first wife Antonia de
> C?ceres are the?parents of Juan Garc?a de Le?n.
>
> Bartolom? Garc?a de Le?n?married?Antonia de C?ceres in Aguascalientes on
> 24 Feb 1636:
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51976-86?cc=1502404&…
> ?
> Antonia de Caceres died around 21 Jun 1646 from childbirth:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-145304-59?cc=1502404…
> ?
> Bartolom? Garc?a de Le?n died 27 Mar 1679 in Aguascalientes:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-147019-59?cc=1502404…
> ?
> That's all the information I know.
>
> Good luck in your search,
>
> Christopher de Cuellar
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:31:53 -0700
> From: Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino
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> Mia,
>
> There were in fact members of the Garc?a de Le?n who mixed with other
> caste and did produce mulatos. They continued using their last names, I
> have also found a couple ilegitimate lines in Aguascalientes, Celaya and
> Teocaltiche.
>
> Daniel M?ndez de Torres Camino
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: zapvive1@msn.com
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Too many Nicolases
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> Saludos Ignacio,
>
> Frankly, I thought for a while before responding the first time because I
> was afraid my comments would appear condescending; but then I realized that
> I would hope that others would lead me in the correct direction, as they
> sometimes have.
>
> The problem, I believe, is that there are so many people with similar or
> exactly the same names. I think the best we can do is exactly what we are
> doing: Collaborating with each other. That is why it is so important to
> investigate, research, remain vigilant,keep an open mind, and share. Forums
> like Nuestros Ranchos provide us the opportunity to work with each other on
> this common pursuit.
>
> And the search continues!!!
> Deedra Corona
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:14:51 -0700
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Too many Nicolases
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> I've found that sometimes it's in the descendants marriage information
> records that I can put the correct families together especially if there is
> a marriage dispensation. That's means that it may take up to 4 generations
> to find the answers we are looking for. The answer is sharing since seldom
> can one can find?all the information alone.
> Linda in Olympia, Wa
>
>
> On Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:56 AM, "zapvive1@msn.com"
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Saludos Ignacio,
>
> Frankly, I thought for a while before responding the first time because I
> was afraid my comments would appear condescending; but then I realized that
> I would hope that others would lead me in the correct direction, as they
> sometimes have.
>
> The problem, I believe, is that there are so many people with similar or
> exactly the same names. I think the best we can do is exactly what we are
> doing:? Collaborating with each other. That is why it is so important to
> investigate, research, remain vigilant,keep an open mind, and share. Forums
> like Nuestros Ranchos provide us the opportunity to work with each other on
> this common pursuit.
>
> And the search continues!!!
> Deedra Corona
>
>