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Hello everyone. I've had a brickwall on my direct paternal line for years and I'm looking all over the place for clues. Anyway, I would like your opinion on the interpretation of a surname that I'm not 100% sure. This might give me an additional clue. Here are the links:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18710-8206-27?cc=1874591&wc=…
(second page on top)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18696-10296-19?cc=1874591&wc…
(the second certificate)

These are the links to my 4th great grandparents Domingo Apodaca and Gertrudis Bonal. The father of Domingo is listed on both documents as Jose Maria Apodaca. The mother is Juana de _____ on one and Paula de _____ on the other one. It is this woman's surname the one that I'm trying to figure out. I have an interpretation, but I haven't seen similar surnames around the area. Any suggestions on what the surname is and where can I find families with this name? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any siblings of Domingo so that i can compare names, and the baptisms of Domingo's children do not mention the grandparents.

Thanks.

Steve in NC

Locations of Research Interest: La Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda,San
Antonio Saucedo,Fresillo, Valparaiso,Zacatecas

Surnames Researching: Esteinou

Hello Nuestros Rancheros!

I am a new member of this group and I am honored to be in your company. I
am researching the Esteinou name. My great-grand father Pedro Esteinou (b.
25 Nov 1828 in Itxassou, France) immigrated to Zacatecas in the mid 1850’s
along with his two half-brothers, Juan Pedro Esteinou (b. 21 June 1836 in
Itxassou France) & Juan Esteinou (b. 6 Oct 1840 in Itxassou, France). They
came from the Basque region in France seeking opportunity in ranching and
farming. In Mexico they married and started families.

It is my belief that these family members are part of the Esteinou family
that once owned La Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda. This information was
posted on Nuestros Rancheros by
San Jose de Llanetes on 18 Aug
2010, http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18933, and on the Valparaiso
portal: http://portalvalparaiso.com/historia.html.

The following website for La Organización de Comunidades Zacatecanas de
Condado de Orange, CA., which is dedicated to the development and support of
Zacatecas, mentions the Esteinou family again, specifically Don Enrique
Esteinou, as the person who ordered the chapel be built on the property.

http://www.zacatecanosenorange.com/index.php?option=com_content

&view=article&id=65:exhacienda&catid=37:clubes&Itemid=77

I have a few Enrique Esteinous in my tree, the first who was born between
1875 – 1880, in Zacatecas. I have been unable to locate his baptism record,
but the baptism record of his son Enrique Esteinou (b. 6 Oct 1897) indicates
that his paternal grandparents are Juan Pedro (b. 21 June 1836 in Itxassou,
France) & Mariana Huerta (b. about 1850 in San Mateo Cuatuepec), who are
noted in the 4th generation section of my tree.

What I don’t know is which family member or members bought the property, and
what happened to that ownership. I would like to find out if these people
immigrated to Zacatecas knowing that they would be working this ranch or if
they happened upon the opportunity.

Can anyone suggest any books or other resources that might indicate some
helpful information about La Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda or any of the
other Haciendas of the condado de San Mateo Valparaíso?

Many thanks and I look forward to being a member of this group as I continue
my research.

Margie Esteinou Walsh

go: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//familysearch… next look for the record.. marriage, or birth... and the village and date.. look into the original records of:Marriage of Pedro and Mateana 24 jun 1877 San Miguelito Mexquitic, San Luis Potosinext for all their children dates of birth if you check Teofilo Sandate and Evarista Ramires are the grandparents or the paents of mateana, go to the record of Mateana the 27 feb 1862 San Miguel, Mexquitic too, maybe has the grandparents of her... if you don't have any idea where to looking for go: https://familysearch.org/try putting all names and parents and spouse because they could have another first name, and find other brothers and sisters..or put only Sandate in San Luis Potosi, or Valdés.. good lucK, Lety Reynoso children of Pedro and Mateana: José Francisco Valdés cristening 17 oct 1892 San Miguel Arcángel Mexquitic San Luis PotosiMaria Epifania ( Maybe the same Maria because is the same date of chisteninng, or maybe twins ( not probably)let me check if the parents of Mateana are them: Teofilo Sandate and Evarista Ramirez Name:Maria Mateana Sandate Ramires Gender:Female Baptism/Christening Date:27 Feb 1862 Baptism/Christening Place:SAN MIGUEL,MEXQUITIC,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO Birth Date:Birthplace:Death Date:Name Note:Race:Father's Name:Teofilo SandateFather's Birthplace:Father's Age:Mother's Name:Maria Evarista RamiresMother's Birthplace:Mother's Age:Paternal Grandfather's Name:Paternal Grandmother's Name:Maternal Grandfather's Name:Maternal Grandmother's name:Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C60553-2System Origin:Mexico-ODM Source Film Number:710041 Reference Number:

The following is from my father's birth record...

If I understand it correctly, my father is half Native American.

Can someone please translate this and confirm what I think I'm reading?

"Jose Rogaciano del Real hijo natural del comparente y de Maria Dolores Villasenor, de veinticinco anos, que es el primero en su estado, sindo sus progenitores de raza indigeno blanco y mexicanos por nacimient."

The actual document is posted in my folder if looking at the original will help.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/UncleRelic

Thanks in advance,
Roy

Hello Everyone!

I want to introduce myself, my name is Kristine, and I am a fellow genealogy enthusiast. I am researching both sides of my family, my father's side comes from San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico and my mother's side, that is still a mystery. They are from Mexico, but not sure where.

I am researching the surnames Roman, Perez, Rangel mostly, among a few others, but those are my focus. Roman being my maiden name.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/magicalme

Thank you and happy researching!!

Children of Pedro and Mateana:
spouse:Matiana Sandatechild:Maria Epifania Valdezname:Maria Epifania Valdezgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:15 Apr 1902baptism/christening place:Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Tlaxcalilla, San Luis Potosí, Mexicofather's name:Pedro Valdezmother's name:Matiana Sandateindexing project (batch) number:I03589-1system origin:Mexico-EASysource film number:1156143 spouse:Matiana Sandatechild:Maria Valdezname:Maria Valdezgender:Femalebaptism/christening date:15 Apr 1902baptism/christening place:Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Tlaxcalilla, San Luis Potosí, Mexicofather's name:Pedro Valdezmother's name:Matiana Sandateindexing project (batch) number:I03589-1system origin:Mexico-EASysource film number:1156143spouse:Mateana Sandatechild:Jose Francisco Valdesname:Jose Francisco Valdesgender:Malebaptism/christening date:17 Oct 1892baptism/christening place:San Miguel Arcángel, Mexquitic de Carmona, San Luis Potosí, Mexicofather's name:Pedro Valdesmother's name:Mateana Sandateindexing project (batch) number:I06825-4system origin:Mexico-EASysource film number:709935

Hello,

I hope someone can help me find more information.

I found a record for my grandparents
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-28269-28?cc=1874591&wc…) marriage and am trying to get more info on the grooms parents. The record reads "Luis Medina...originario de (?San?) Juan de Dios y vecino de esta parroquia desde la infancia" . I would like to research his parents in those church records but am unsure where to begin, I beleive he was born in Mex. DF but can't find a parish called San Juan de Dios in those records.

Does anyone know where this parish is or have advice on searching for Francisco or Rafaela Lopes de Medina

Thank you!
Monica Ochoa

Hola,

Ojala que alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar más información.

He encontrado un registro de mis abuelos
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-28269-28?cc=1874591&wc…) matrimonio y estoy tratando de obtener más información sobre los padres de el novio, Luis Medina. El registro dice: "Luis Medina ... originario de (? San?) Juan de Dios y vecino de ESTA parroquia Desde La Infancia". Me gustaría investigar a sus padres en los registros de la iglesia, pero no estoy segura por dónde empezar, yo creo que nació en Mex. DF, pero no puedo encontrar una parroquia se llama San Juan de Dios en esos registros.

¿Alguien sabe donde esta parroquia es, o pueden consejar sobre la búsqueda de Francisco o Rafaela Lopes de Medina

¡Gracias!
Mónica Ochoa

Has anyone in the group had any success in finding any records for Juan Aldama, Zacatecas, prior to 1860?

Or has anyone in the group been researching in the Juan Aldama records?

If so please contact me.

Jonathan Walker

always a day late and a dollar short,,records from ayo are missing altogether ?? or have they not been indexed yet ?? My family connections to Ayo are quite a few...Lemus, Torres and a few others,,any info will be greatly appreciated

I was researching Arch de la Parr. de Pinos, Zacatecas 1790-1803, listed as Castas....
The last entry for bapts. is 18 apr 1798...then it starts 11 Feb 1793 with marriages. I did not check to see how many years. I am sure some people have not been able to find their ancestors. Hope this helps.
I did not know where to put this information.
Mickey

Esther I can be there at 10 tomorrow August 4?

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I thought the Bonita location no longer houses films? I've been looking for information on el tuito and tomatlan. Thanka

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> Alice, The Bonita Library where I work has many films from Ayo El Chico.
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>>> Could someone please tell me if late 1700's church records for Ayo El
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Just an FYI that the DVD for "The Storm That Swept Mexico" is being sold on pbs.org.

This is boring for most members but I have not been able to decipher most of the information in the following that is discouraging at first because images of torn and faded pages make it extremely useless to continue perusing, BUT subsequent images are more readable and I would greatly appreciate any comments on the actions taken by the church in this matter:

There is an entry for my maternal GGGG grandfather Ignacio Delgadillo in the following location:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-4495-8?cc=1874591&wc=1…

which begins on image 164 with a couple torn/pasted pages and continues to image 174 on the left page. I understand there was an issue with infidelity and separation of several years but cannot read enough to understand what other details are in the doument or final disposition. Also, cannot find names of other persons in the document that would give any information or clues to other famdily members. I saw the term 'desavenencia' toward the end but not sure if the marriage was dissolved. If anyone has the time to look at this, any light on the issue is greatly appreciated, and any insight on where to continue searching for more information on these ancestors of mine. If you think I should drop the subject altogether, please do not hesitate to relay that message. Thanks in advance!

Juan Angel Covarrubias son of Juan Covarrubias and Rosa Cobian married Maria Rosa Santana daughter of Pio Santana and Maria Castillo on February 6, 1773 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco. My ultimate goal is to trace them back to Spain but for now I would like to find their birth place. The only document I can find for them is their marriage certificate and I would like help deciphering it because it is so difficult to read. I think is says Juan Angel is "Esp. de España" but it hard to read.

Here is their marriage record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-11863-42?cc=1874591&wc…

Their entry is the second entry after 1773 on the left page. It is of course the lightest entry on the page. This is what I was able to decipher. If you read something different please let me know.

At the margin - Juan Angel Rosa Maria españoles de este pueblo
En 6 de febrero de 1773: se casaron y velaron enfacie ecclesite Juan Covarrubias esp de españa hijo de Juan Covarrubias y Rosa Cobian=Rosa Santana esp de este hija de Pio de Santana y Maria Castillo…then the same religious wording that all the other records have.

Greetings:

Need help in locating where is La Montesa, filegresa de pinos, Trying to locate baptismal for Agapito Aguilar Yzquierdo. Some of my records,that I have found in Cienega de Mata. Jalisco, state, this location And Also Same Family as being from el Xaral del Valle, I've been try to locate these places for a long time without sucess. Please, Please Help. Thank You very much in advance

Mary Caraveo

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Hi everyone,

I'm so excited because I found my great great grandmother's baptismal certificate, now we move into Huejucar, Jalisco, when just about everyone else was from Zacatecas.

This is her baptismal certificate (bottom left side):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-33928-21?cc=1874591&wc…

Parents:
Toribio Galvan
Margarita Marquez

Paternal grandparents:
Leon Galvan
Leonides ??

Maternal grandparents:
Antonio Marquez
Nasaria Villegas

However, her parents' marriage record looks to have different names (upper right).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-39540-92?cc=1874591&wc…

Paternal grandparents:
Leon Galvan
Leonora ??

Maternal grandparents:
Antonio Marquez
Nasaria Flores??

Also, this appears to be Toribio's second marriage, he's a widower of Anacleta Sandoval?? Are the people at bottom the padrinos and witnesses?

Thanks!
Laura

HOLA MUY BUEN FIN DE SEMANA A TODOS Y SIGO CON MI INVESTIGACÍON Y ME GUSTARÍA SABER QUE ES LO QUE DICE EN ESTE MATRIMONIO PARA LOGRAR SABER SI ES MI LINEA ? SI HAY ALGUIEN QUE ME PUEDA AUXILIAR LO AGRADECERÉ INFINITAMENTE.
ESTE ES EL LINK.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-59511-28?cc=1874591&wc…

What's the difference besides extra info? Why the difference?

Thanks,
Laura Gonzalez

i'm lookimg for any one that has info on the luna family in momax

The new Matrimonial Dispensations posted today #168133, Image 398,

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-25472-12?cc=1874591&wc…

lists the parents of Alejo Rafael Pelayo as: Miguel Pelayo (AKA Miguel Cayetano Pelayo) and Angela Lucia Vidro. It also gives the Tree, I'm assuming Lopez family, for the father of the bride, Nicolas Lopez and Angela Lucia--I've seen several other trees from our group with Angela Lucia being the deadend. Now it looks like this may be a clue.

It lists her mother as Francisca, grandmother as Lucia Lopez, and GGrand as Antonio. I did locate a baptism for Lucia Lopez (28 December, 1670 in Tuxcacuesco, but no Lazaro Lopez with the same parents. Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated--this carrot is a bit frustrating!

Deedra Corona

I came across a very long record of 35 pages in case someone is looking:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-51863-24?cc=1874591&wc…

Gracias al esfuerzo de Claudia Casillas de indexar las dispensas matrimoniales de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, en las publicaciones que ha hecho este mes, logré avanzar en dos lineas que tenía pendientes.
Logré establecer quienes eran los padres de Jacinta de Villalobos, mujer de Agustín Marín de Peñaloza. Resulta que es hija de Pedro Villalobos y Catalina Rubio, vecinos de Teocaltiche. Ahora solo me falta saber quienes eran los padres de Agustín Marín de Peñaloza.
También logré descubir que Antonia de Anda Altamirano, la mujer de Esteban Rodríguez de Asocar, es hija de Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Catalina Rodríguez de Salcedo.
Mi más grande y sincero agradecimiento a Claudia Casillas por su gran labor. GRACIAS.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.