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Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco

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I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the correct spelling of his first name. It is difficult to read his name on the first document I found.

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Published by agutierrez07 – Thu, 2012-08-23 19:22 | Permalink

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I need to thank all of you for your help in my searches. Once we got the baptismal on my mother---and the names of her parents, things begin to fall in place. I have found many of my ancestors and even found my father's baptismal in Leon, Gto. just by following the instructions given for a search. I am still searching but wanted to stop for a minute and thank you all. Armando, Arturo, Esther, Roy--to all the group
THANK YOU! MUCHAS GRACIAS....you've been great with this newbie.

Ann Marie Gutierrez
Chicago, IL

Published by Esther Jordan Lopez – Sat, 2012-08-18 18:00 | Permalink

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Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
you? I think you will find several ways of writing his name. I look at
his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
choose by majority rule? Also in marriage records the name may vary as
well. I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record for
verification. That is just me. I'm sure others have better ideas.
-Esther

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:

> I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> correct spelling of his first name. It is difficult to read his name on
> the first document I found. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>
> To post, send email to:
> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>
> To change your subscription, log on to:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

Comment

Yes Esther,   it is Image # 657 of 894.  The name appears as Theserquio on the
document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel Ezequiel.  
Thank you so much. 

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco

Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
you?  I think you will find several ways of writing his name.  I look at
his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
choose by majority rule?  Also in marriage records the name may vary as
well.  I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record for
verification.  That is just me.  I'm sure others have better ideas.
-Esther

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:

> I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> correct spelling of his first name.  It is difficult to read his name on
> the first document I found.  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>
> To post, send email to:
> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>
> To change your subscription, log on to:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

Comment

Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.

They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
married around 1886? Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.

The document Ann is referring to is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
of the siblings of Socorro at

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

and at

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes Esther, it is Image # 657 of 894. The name appears as Theserquio on
> the
> document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
> Ezequiel.
> Thank you so much.
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
> you? I think you will find several ways of writing his name. I look at
> his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
> choose by majority rule? Also in marriage records the name may vary as
> well. I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record for
> verification. That is just me. I'm sure others have better ideas.
> -Esther
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
>
> > I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> > correct spelling of his first name. It is difficult to read his name on
> > the first document I found. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Armando, thank you.  Now that you have pointed me in the right direction, I will
search for what I want.  Thank you for your help and patience.

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 8:35:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco

Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.

They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
married around 1886?  Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.

The document Ann is referring to is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
of the siblings of Socorro at

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

and at

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes Esther,  it is Image # 657 of 894.  The name appears as Theserquio on
> the
> document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
> Ezequiel.
> Thank you so much.
>
>  Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
> you?  I think you will find several ways of writing his name.  I look at
> his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
> choose by majority rule?  Also in marriage records the name may vary as
> well.  I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record for
> verification.  That is just me.  I'm sure others have better ideas.
> -Esther
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
>
> > I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> > correct spelling of his first name.  It is difficult to read his name on
> > the first document I found.  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Armando, again thank you for your help and support on my searches.  I have
accomplished so much thanks to you guys pointing me in the right direction.  I
finally found my grandfather after hours of searching...the reason I could not
find him---I was given the wrong name by my cousins.  His real name was: Jose
Hexiguio  Gutierrez.  I don't know if it was that the priest did not know how to
spell Exequio but that is the way it was entered and I guess that is how it will
stay.  If you can point me in the right direction again...I can't find anything
on my grandmother and I'll bet it is because I was  given the wrong name again. 
Where else can I search to find her?  What I have is:
Maria Teresa Gomez,  I don't have a date of birth, I do imagine she was born in
San Diego since all the others...aunts/uncles etc. all in San Diego.  Is there
another way of searching.  Thank you. 

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 8:35:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco

Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.

They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
married around 1886?  Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.

The document Ann is referring to is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
of the siblings of Socorro at

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

and at

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes Esther,  it is Image # 657 of 894.  The name appears as Theserquio on
> the
> document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
> Ezequiel.
> Thank you so much.
>
>  Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
> you?  I think you will find several ways of writing his name.  I look at
> his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
> choose by majority rule?  Also in marriage records the name may vary as
> well.  I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record for
> verification.  That is just me.  I'm sure others have better ideas.
> -Esther
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
>
> > I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> > correct spelling of his first name.  It is difficult to read his name on
> > the first document I found.  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Who are you saying gave you the wrong name? The names are similar enough it
shouldn't have caused confusion. Over time you will see that you will have
to learn to not be so rigid because people that gave the names and the ones
that wrote them weren't so rigid in the pronunciation or the spelling.

There is no other way to look for the baptism or civil birth record other
than what Roy and I have given you. Not all of them can be found though and
you have to use what can be found.

Maria Teresa Gomez is definitely the right name for your grandmother. There
is no doubt. Her parents were Jesus Gomez and Porfiria Guerrero married 28
Nov 1883 in San Diego de Alejandría
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZT5-XYD

Armando

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Armando, again thank you for your help and support on my searches. I have
> accomplished so much thanks to you guys pointing me in the right
> direction. I
> finally found my grandfather after hours of searching...the reason I could
> not
> find him---I was given the wrong name by my cousins. His real name was:
> Jose
> Hexiguio Gutierrez. I don't know if it was that the priest did not know
> how to
> spell Exequio but that is the way it was entered and I guess that is how
> it will
> stay. If you can point me in the right direction again...I can't find
> anything
> on my grandmother and I'll bet it is because I was given the wrong name
> again.
> Where else can I search to find her? What I have is:
> Maria Teresa Gomez, I don't have a date of birth, I do imagine she was
> born in
> San Diego since all the others...aunts/uncles etc. all in San Diego. Is
> there
> another way of searching. Thank you.
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 8:35:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.
>
> They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
> Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
> married around 1886? Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
> Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.
>
> The document Ann is referring to is at
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
>
>
> You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
> of the siblings of Socorro at
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
>
>
> and at
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
>
>
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
> agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes Esther, it is Image # 657 of 894. The name appears as Theserquio on
> > the
> > document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
> > Ezequiel.
> > Thank you so much.
> >
> > Ann M. Gutierrez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Esther Jordan
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> > Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
> >
> > Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
> > you? I think you will find several ways of writing his name. I look at
> > his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
> > choose by majority rule? Also in marriage records the name may vary as
> > well. I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record
> for
> > verification. That is just me. I'm sure others have better ideas.
> > -Esther
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> > > correct spelling of his first name. It is difficult to read his name
> on
> > > the first document I found. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

Armando, I see from the tone of your message that I've upset you.  I did not say
you gave me the wrong name I distinctly said my cousins gave me the wrong
names.  I made a wrong assumption in requesting assistance, I promise you it
won't happen again.

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, August 26, 2012 9:50:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco

Who are you saying gave you the wrong name? The names are similar enough it
shouldn't have caused confusion. Over time you will see that you will have
to learn to not be so rigid because people that gave the names and the ones
that wrote them weren't so rigid in the pronunciation or the spelling.

There is no other way to look for the baptism or civil birth record other
than what Roy and I have given you. Not all of them can be found though and
you have to use what can be found.

Maria Teresa Gomez is definitely the right name for your grandmother. There
is no doubt. Her parents were Jesus Gomez and Porfiria Guerrero married 28
Nov 1883 in San Diego de Alejandría
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZT5-XYD

Armando

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Armando, again thank you for your help and support on my searches.  I have
> accomplished so much thanks to you guys pointing me in the right
> direction.  I
> finally found my grandfather after hours of searching...the reason I could
> not
> find him---I was given the wrong name by my cousins.  His real name was:
> Jose
> Hexiguio  Gutierrez.  I don't know if it was that the priest did not know
> how to
> spell Exequio but that is the way it was entered and I guess that is how
> it will
> stay.  If you can point me in the right direction again...I can't find
> anything
> on my grandmother and I'll bet it is because I was  given the wrong name
> again.
> Where else can I search to find her?  What I have is:
> Maria Teresa Gomez,  I don't have a date of birth, I do imagine she was
> born in
> San Diego since all the others...aunts/uncles etc. all in San Diego.  Is
> there
> another way of searching.  Thank you.
>
>  Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 8:35:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.
>
> They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
> Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
> married around 1886?  Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
> Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.
>
> The document Ann is referring to is at
>
>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
>8
>
>
> You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
> of the siblings of Socorro at
>
>
>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
>7
>
>
> and at
>
>
>https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
>1
>
>
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
> agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes Esther,  it is Image # 657 of 894.  The name appears as Theserquio on
> > the
> > document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
> > Ezequiel.
> > Thank you so much.
> >
> >  Ann M. Gutierrez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Esther Jordan
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> > Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
> >
> > Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
> > you?  I think you will find several ways of writing his name.  I look at
> > his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
> > choose by majority rule?  Also in marriage records the name may vary as
> > well.  I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record
> for
> > verification.  That is just me.  I'm sure others have better ideas.
> > -Esther
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> > > correct spelling of his first name.  It is difficult to read his name
> on
> > > the first document I found.  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Comment

No, I wasn't upset in any way. I was simply stating facts. Yes, I do see
after all that you said it was your cousins that gave you the wrong name.
My mistake in overlooking that. However, that doesn't change that the name
was similar enough that it should not have caused confusion. Feel free to
continue asking for help.

Armando

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>
> Armando, I see from the tone of your message that I've upset you. I did
> not say
> you gave me the wrong name I distinctly said my cousins gave me the wrong
> names. I made a wrong assumption in requesting assistance, I promise you
> it
> won't happen again.
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sun, August 26, 2012 9:50:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Who are you saying gave you the wrong name? The names are similar enough it
> shouldn't have caused confusion. Over time you will see that you will have
> to learn to not be so rigid because people that gave the names and the ones
> that wrote them weren't so rigid in the pronunciation or the spelling.
>
> There is no other way to look for the baptism or civil birth record other
> than what Roy and I have given you. Not all of them can be found though and
> you have to use what can be found.
>
> Maria Teresa Gomez is definitely the right name for your grandmother. There
> is no doubt. Her parents were Jesus Gomez and Porfiria Guerrero married 28
> Nov 1883 in San Diego de Alejandría
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZT5-XYD
>
>
>
> Armando
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
> agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Armando, again thank you for your help and support on my searches. I
> have
> > accomplished so much thanks to you guys pointing me in the right
> > direction. I
> > finally found my grandfather after hours of searching...the reason I
> could
> > not
> > find him---I was given the wrong name by my cousins. His real name was:
> > Jose
> > Hexiguio Gutierrez. I don't know if it was that the priest did not know
> > how to
> > spell Exequio but that is the way it was entered and I guess that is how
> > it will
> > stay. If you can point me in the right direction again...I can't find
> > anything
> > on my grandmother and I'll bet it is because I was given the wrong name
> > again.
> > Where else can I search to find her? What I have is:
> > Maria Teresa Gomez, I don't have a date of birth, I do imagine she was
> > born in
> > San Diego since all the others...aunts/uncles etc. all in San Diego. Is
> > there
> > another way of searching. Thank you.
> >
> > Ann M. Gutierrez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Armando
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 8:35:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> > Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
> >
> > Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.
> >
> > They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
> > Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
> > married around 1886? Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
> > Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.
> >
> > The document Ann is referring to is at
> >
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
> >8
> >
> >
> > You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
> > of the siblings of Socorro at
> >
> >
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
> >7
> >
> >
> > and at
> >
> >
> >
> https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
> >1
> >
> >
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
> > agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes Esther, it is Image # 657 of 894. The name appears as Theserquio
> on
> > > the
> > > document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
> > > Ezequiel.
> > > Thank you so much.
> > >
> > > Ann M. Gutierrez
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Esther Jordan
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or
> Izequiel
> > > Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
> > >
> > > Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
> > > you? I think you will find several ways of writing his name. I look
> at
> > > his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
> > > choose by majority rule? Also in marriage records the name may vary as
> > > well. I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record
> > for
> > > verification. That is just me. I'm sure others have better ideas.
> > > -Esther
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
> > > > correct spelling of his first name. It is difficult to read his name
> > on
> > > > the first document I found. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > > >
> > > > To post, send email to:
> > > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> > > >
> > > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

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What Armando was stating was that in our research into our ancestors we may find the same person with numerous different spellings and or different pronunciations. Or different variations such as Dorothea and Theodora
Rick A Ricci

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2012, at 9:01 PM, "Ann M. Gutierrez" wrote:

>
>
> Armando, I see from the tone of your message that I've upset you. I did not say
> you gave me the wrong name I distinctly said my cousins gave me the wrong
> names. I made a wrong assumption in requesting assistance, I promise you it
> won't happen again.
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sun, August 26, 2012 9:50:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>
> Who are you saying gave you the wrong name? The names are similar enough it
> shouldn't have caused confusion. Over time you will see that you will have
> to learn to not be so rigid because people that gave the names and the ones
> that wrote them weren't so rigid in the pronunciation or the spelling.
>
> There is no other way to look for the baptism or civil birth record other
> than what Roy and I have given you. Not all of them can be found though and
> you have to use what can be found.
>
> Maria Teresa Gomez is definitely the right name for your grandmother. There
> is no doubt. Her parents were Jesus Gomez and Porfiria Guerrero married 28
> Nov 1883 in San Diego de Alejandría
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZT5-XYD
>
>
>
> Armando
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
> agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Armando, again thank you for your help and support on my searches. I have
>> accomplished so much thanks to you guys pointing me in the right
>> direction. I
>> finally found my grandfather after hours of searching...the reason I could
>> not
>> find him---I was given the wrong name by my cousins. His real name was:
>> Jose
>> Hexiguio Gutierrez. I don't know if it was that the priest did not know
>> how to
>> spell Exequio but that is the way it was entered and I guess that is how
>> it will
>> stay. If you can point me in the right direction again...I can't find
>> anything
>> on my grandmother and I'll bet it is because I was given the wrong name
>> again.
>> Where else can I search to find her? What I have is:
>> Maria Teresa Gomez, I don't have a date of birth, I do imagine she was
>> born in
>> San Diego since all the others...aunts/uncles etc. all in San Diego. Is
>> there
>> another way of searching. Thank you.
>>
>> Ann M. Gutierrez
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Armando
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 8:35:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
>> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>>
>> Esther needed more info than that. I go ahead and help the both of you.
>>
>> They were from San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. Exiquio or Ezequiel
>> Gutierrez, b. 1869; married Maria Teresa Gomez or Guerrero, b. 1871 were
>> married around 1886? Children of that marriage were: Ricardo b.1903; 2)
>> Franciso, b. 1907; 3) Jose, b. 1909; 4) Maria Socorro, b 12 July 1912.
>>
>> The document Ann is referring to is at
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
>> 8
>>
>>
>> You should do what Esther suggested and find the civil and church records
>> of the siblings of Socorro at
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…
>> 7
>>
>>
>> and at
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
>> 1
>>
>>
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Armando
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
>> agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Esther, it is Image # 657 of 894. The name appears as Theserquio on
>>> the
>>> document but I'm almost sure my sister said his name was Iziquiel
>>> Ezequiel.
>>> Thank you so much.
>>>
>>> Ann M. Gutierrez
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Esther Jordan
>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>> Sent: Sat, August 18, 2012 7:50:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Grandparets: Theserquio (sp?) or Izequiel
>>> Gutierrez, San Diego de Alejandria, jalisco
>>>
>>> Ann, do you have the image number, year, and place so that we can help
>>> you? I think you will find several ways of writing his name. I look at
>>> his siblings to see what spelling is used for their father/mother and I
>>> choose by majority rule? Also in marriage records the name may vary as
>>> well. I choose the name I like but I also keep the name on the record
>> for
>>> verification. That is just me. I'm sure others have better ideas.
>>> -Esther
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to get more info on my grandfather--for one what is the
>>>> correct spelling of his first name. It is difficult to read his name
>> on
>>>> the first document I found. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>>>>
>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>

Indexed Films at Family Search

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Today two sets of indexed films for Queretaro (Church records 1590-1970), 52,259 records, and San Luis Potosi (Civil registration 1859-2000, 1,084 records) were posted on the Family Search website.

Yrinea

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Hello Everyone,
Is "Yrinea" a given or surname, or both?   Thanks so much for your help.  Alice

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Published by oldcar53 – Tue, 2012-08-28 18:15 | Permalink

Comment

It's a given name.

________________________________
From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Yrinea

Hello Everyone,
Is "Yrinea" a given or surname, or both?   Thanks so much for your help.  Alice

Published by alicebb – Tue, 2012-08-28 20:30 | Permalink

Comment

Thank you.  That simplifies matters a bit.   Alice

--- On Wed, 8/29/12, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Yrinea
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 1:06 AM

It's a given name.

________________________________
From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Yrinea

Hello Everyone,
Is "Yrinea" a given or surname, or both?   Thanks so much for your help.  Alice

Tomasina de Haro nieta de Francisco de Bobadilla???

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Quiero exponer los datos registrados a fin de explicar esta afirmacion.

1.-

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Montejano Hilton, Maria de la Luz, 6, Entry 25.

Comments

Published by valdesla – Mon, 2012-08-27 18:11 | Permalink

Comment

Juan Francisco
Probablemente la aclaracion se encuentre en el documento que mencionas en la Biblioteca Publica de Jalisco. Al tratarse de un pleito de herencia de tierras se han de mencionar antecedentes con nombres y lugares.

¿Sera posible conseguirlo via internet? voy a investigarlo,
¿algun miembro del foro que radique en guadalajara y sepa el camino?

Saludos
Luis A. Valdes

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Sanchez-Castellanos

Luis, de hecho yo vivo muy cerca de esta biblioteca, solo espero tener un dia libre para hacer la investigacion correspondiente, por el momento estoy preguntando a una persona si ofrecen este servicio de escaneo a personas de fuera de la ciudad.

Juan Fco Sanchez.

Comment

Hola a todos,
Yo tambien estoy interesado en obtener varios documentos que estan resguardados en la Biblioteca Publica de Jalisco. Hace unos dias hable a la biblioteca pero que todavia no esta abierta al publico. Creo que el nuevo sitio esta en periferico norte de Guadalajara, en Belenes. Yo vivo en California y ojala pueda visitarla en mi proximo viaje.
Saludos,
Sergio Gutierrez

Ayuda con Censos de La Hacienda del Carmen

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Buenas noches, alguien puede ayudarme con los censos?, no se donde buscarlos, he leido mucho de ellos pero no se donde localizarlos, necesito encontrar el de la Hacienda Del Carmen en Jalisco, mis anc

Searches in Jalisco

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Just got DNA results from 23&me. It shows 90% European. Primarily Spanish, French and a bit of German. Where the German came from...I don't know, yet.

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Mon, 2012-08-27 15:21 | Permalink

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Congratulations. Why did you use 23&me? I want to do my DNA test, but I am not sure how to choose a provider of this type of service. Any ideas?

Published by rmcneal103 – Mon, 2012-08-27 16:26 | Permalink

Comment

Randy McNeal

I just submitted my DNA test through ancestry.com
I know many haven't been happy with the results from ancestry but from the comments I've read it seems that the reasons people are unhappy is due to not researching how people migrated to different parts of the world. For instance many complain that their ancestors were from England but the test results show more Norwegian ancestry and they claim no family from that area. What they don't know is there were many Scandinavian invasions of what is now Great Britain in the 700's so many in Great Britain have this DNA.
Anyway my too long of point is I don't think it matters where you go you just need to be aware that what comes back may look surprising so you may need to do some additional research to make sense of it.

Jose Muñoz de la barba y Juana Villasenor o Gutiérrez

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Alguien sabe en que fecha casaron estos personajes creo debió ser entre 1740 en san Juan de los lagos ,, mil gracias de antemano por su ayuda

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Published by Gloria Casillas – Sat, 2012-08-25 06:42 | Permalink

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Gloria Casillas
revisa en los informes matrimoniales o en los matrimonios de lagos de moreno, en la pagina de familysearch, muchos matrimonios aun no están indexados, así que he tenido que buscar acta por acta en los libros, en algunos matrimonios a veces he tenido suerte y los he encontrado. por el momento no cuento con computadora y desde mi celular es difícil la búsqueda, pero en una oportunidad reviso el libro y te ayudo con la búsqueda.

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Mil gracias Gloria,, si sabia q en san Juan de los lagos no esta indexado de 1792 hacia atrás en los matrimonio pero ahora q me dices q tambien en lagos esta igual para revisar los libros saludos

Introduction: Richard Ibarra

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Saludos a todos! Hello everyone!

My name is Richard Ibarra and I am researching my mother's family in Los Altos.

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Francisca De LA Riva

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Conoce alguien algun parentezco cercanoa Francisca el Riva. es mi tatarabuela y estuvo casada con Santos Araiza.

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Familia Murguia, De lara, De Aragon

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Hola buenas noches, investigando a mi familia por el lado materno llegue a la familia Murguia de Lara o Murguia de Aragon, Mi ancestro era Manuel Hermenegildo Murguia y su esposa era Rita De Aragon o

church records

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Hi Everyone,

How does one go about requesting records from a church in Mexico & how does one go about finding someone when some of the records are damaged?

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Published by Miramontes – Mon, 2010-04-12 18:26 | Permalink

Comment

Look up the church phone number on the internet. usually each Diocese has their own website that list the phone number, address and office hours with days open. Most have long lunches but open late and on weekends. Small town churches may only be open 4 hours on the days they are open.

You have to get a name of office personnel and be very nice and polite. Being able to speak decent spanish helps. Don't ask for too much right away and always be willing to be extra patient with them. We are asking them for "actas" for unusually old dates and time. Having an exact dates helps them alot. If the church has a web address, you can scan the document. This will help them because then they don't have to look in the old archives, which they don't like doing since the books are old and brittle.

What has helped me is that I took a vacation to the towns and visited with the office workers at the churches I was interested in. As I've found things I call and speak directly with the person I need.

I have my accounts with Chase bank and they let you send 3 wires to mexico a month for free to Banorte Bank. Send it to the person your working with and always be willing to tip well. Cost of most actas are $5 plus some. They can scan to you and mail originals. Be willing to send money for that as well.

Lastly, you can call your local radio station or look up a local organization in your town of people from your interested part of Mexico. Pay them to take documents to Mexico and bring back.

Hope this helps.

Daniel Miramontse

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Barbara Guerrero

Thank you so much Daniel for this wonderful information! I apologize for the delay in my response. Got so caught up in research that I forgot to check for replies. Thanks again this is so helpful, appreciate it so much!

Sincerely,

Barbara Guerrero

Marquez de los Olivos en Monte Escobedo

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Hoy revisando las dispensas matrimoniales de los Sanchez Castellanos encontre la dispensas de 1794 pag 1112
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-62535-33?cc=1874591&wc…

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Published by valdesla – Sun, 2012-08-19 14:53 | Permalink

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Hola Juan Francisco:
No he podido encontrar un documento donde se muestre a Juan Sanchez Castellanos como esposo de Tomasina de Haro. ¿tienes alguno?

En la dispensa de matrimonio de Rodrigo Sanchez Castellanos (1684) se mensiona a:
Tomasina de Haro- su abuela
no se mensiona el nombre de su abuelo
Manuel Sanchez Castellanos- su padre
Josepha de Rodas- su madre

Nicolas debio ser hermano de este Manuel

saludos
Luis A. Valdes

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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Si tengo un documento, te lo envio por correo, aqui lo desconcertante es que cuando se casan en 1634 solo ponen Juan Sanchez y Tomasina de Saucedo, Cuando Bautizan a Manuel Sanchez padre de Rodrigo, ponen como padres a Juan Sanchez y Tomasina de Saucedo. Ellos tuvieron por hijos a Maria (1647), Joseph (1645-1717),Nicolas (1643-ab1720),Lorenzo (1639),Juan (1636) y Manuel (1635-ab1700), Todos nacieron en Tepechitlan feligrecia de Tlaltenango. En 1650 en el censo aparece Tomasina de Haro como viuda y su rancho estaba cerca de la estancia de Lorenzo de Miramontes habitada por Ana de Saucedo, ubicado cerca del pueblo de Santiago. Algunos hijos fueron bautizados como hijos de Juan Sanchez y Tomasina de Haro y otros como hijos de Juan Sanchez y Tomasina de Saucedo.

Revisando las bodas de Tlaltenango encontre que un indio del pueblo de San Pedro llamado ????? Salvador criado de Tomasina de Haro española viuda de Juan Sanchez Castellanos se casa con Juana Magdalena india..... esto el 8 de julio de 1649, todo esto a grandes rasgos...Pero te envio el archivo por correo

Tengo la Hipotesis de que Tomasina de Haro fue hija de Lorenzo de Miramontes y tal vez hermana de Ana de Saucedo ya que sus ranchos estaban practicamente juntos y porque Tomasina de Haro era prima hermana de Hernando de Haro, pero falta probarlo.

Yo desciendo directamente de Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos y el se caso con Juana Maria Bañuelos, su primera hija la bautizaron en el Teul y el resto de sus hijos aparecen en Monte Escobedo. Nicolas fue hermano de Manuel y esto es algo de su descendencia en Monte Escobedo.

-Manuel Sánchez Castellanos de Haron (aka Saucedo en su bautismo) (30/agosto/1634, murio antes de 1700 en Fresnillo) (Casó con Josepha de Rodas (ab1640-?) en Tlaltenango 5 de Oct/1658 despues
Boda con Francisca de Escobedo (ab1650-?)al quedar viuda se caso después con Diego Delgado el 2 de enero de 1700 en Monte Escobedo
---Manuel Sánchez Castellanos de Escobedo(≈1680-1758)murio en Monte Escobedo y Maria Candelaria Sandobal
-------Eusebio Seledon Sánchez Castellanos Sandobal (≈1721-?)(Sauces, Monte Escobedo) y Rosa María Gomez Michel (Tecolotlan) (boda 28 de agosto de 1758)Boda en Monte Escobedo
Espero sea de utilidad

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Juan Francisco:
Gracias de nuevo, espero la informacion. Poco a poco he ido avanzando, siguiendo la rama de Manuel Sanchez Castellanos. Un poco mas adelante que tenga todo mas armado te lo mando.
Saludos
Luis A. Valdes

Las Cañas

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¿Alguien sabe donde queda Las Cañas?
en una acta de matrimonio dice: "En el puesto de Las Cañas de esta feligresia de Colotlan....."

Saludos:
Luis A. Valdes

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Luis Valdes
Gracias Roberto. Ese debe ser.
Saludos
Luis A. Valdes

San Martin Y Estrada

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I am looking for someone that is willing to look up the surname San Martin Y Estrada in two books:"The Econmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" by Robert Himmerich y Valencia and "Cartas Privadas de Emigr

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Fri, 2012-08-03 15:57 | Permalink

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Mickey,

Wow, thank you very much for the prompt response. Your help is really appreciated. My oldest ancestor is Antonio San Martin Y Estrada married to Ana de Lamas O Saucedo. Then, he married Josefa Tello de Orozco, when Ana died in the 1660's. Antonio and Ana had three kids: Antonio, Francisco, and Antonia San Martin Y Estrada.

Does it happen to say where the encomiendas of Pedro or Diego were located?

Thanks!

Comment

This may have been answered before. I remember researching the Aguascalientes Church records with IGI and I dont see them anymore. Did I miss an explanation or can anyone tell me what happened to them?

Miggy

Comment

Miggy,
I am not sure if anyone answered your question, but Aguascalientes records can be found under Catholic Church Records. For some reason they never received a separate link from that collection.

Jaime Alvarado

Published by mmg8938 (not verified) – Thu, 2012-08-02 18:15 | Permalink

Comment

Hi Again
In the Cartas book there is not a San Martin y Estrada listed. Anymore?
Mickey

In a message dated 8/2/2012 7:04:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
eltobias2003@hotmail.com writes:

I am looking for someone that is willing to look up the surname San Martin
Y Estrada in two books:"The Econmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" by Robert
Himmerich y Valencia and "Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias
1540-1616" by Otte Enrique. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Published by mmg8938 (not verified) – Thu, 2012-08-02 18:15 | Permalink

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In a message dated 8/2/2012 7:04:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
eltobias2003@hotmail.com writes:

I am looking for someone that is willing to look up the surname San Martin
Y Estrada in two books:"The Econmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" by Robert
Himmerich y Valencia and "Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias
1540-1616" by Otte Enrique. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Published by mmg8938 (not verified) – Thu, 2012-08-02 18:00 | Permalink

Comment

Hi
The Encomenderos has a Diego, and a Pedro.
Mickey

In a message dated 8/2/2012 7:04:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
eltobias2003@hotmail.com writes:

I am looking for someone that is willing to look up the surname San Martin
Y Estrada in two books:"The Econmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" by Robert
Himmerich y Valencia and "Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias
1540-1616" by Otte Enrique. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Published by mmg8938 (not verified) – Thu, 2012-08-02 18:00 | Permalink

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Hi
What are the names?
Mickey

In a message dated 8/2/2012 7:04:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
eltobias2003@hotmail.com writes:

I am looking for someone that is willing to look up the surname San Martin
Y Estrada in two books:"The Econmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" by Robert
Himmerich y Valencia and "Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias
1540-1616" by Otte Enrique. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

age at confirmation

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Hi

I was wondering about age at confirmation in the 1700's and 1800's. Anyone happen to know?

Regards
Denise

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Published by Denise Hernand… – Sun, 2012-08-19 13:06 | Permalink

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Hello Laura and Jose Carlos

Thank you so much for your responses - I would never have guessed babies would be confirmed. The baptism in batches years apart is also good info - I imagine it could be the same for confirmations, explaing the gap I referred to in the other forum topic I recently posted.

It is great to be a member of NR and have others I can turn to for info and advice!

Regards,
Denise

Published by Laura Gonzalez – Sun, 2012-08-19 10:36 | Permalink

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I would guess shortly after baptism. This has generally been the custom in Mexico, and though it has started to change to the US norm of 15ish (sophomore in hs), I find that many Mexican children have already been confirmed.

Laura Gonzalez

Published by Joseph de Leon – Sun, 2012-08-19 10:28 | Permalink

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Because of local customs, in some locations, children are confirmed shortly after being baptised; often as babies. Others when they are 8 to 14 years old.

I discovered that in northern Sonora, Mexico, in the 1800s, children were baptised in huge groups at a time. I found thousands were baptised all at once in a 2-3 day period every few years apart. Entire children of each family were baptised at the same time regardless of age.

I surmise it was because in the rural areas the Catholic Bishop didn't get around too often.

Jose Carlos de Leon

My DNA results are back!

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This was done thru Ancestry.com and I'm sort of confused.

**Brit: 34% (father's side)
**East Asian: 17% (Huh?)

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Published by maxiebaby1 (not verified) – Mon, 2012-08-13 15:47 | Permalink

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I just got my results also,,,i had the test done by family tree..i was also surprised by the results..59.01 french,romanian,spanish.....26.64 maya,,and 14.35 mozabite,palestinian,jewish,bedouin......i was thinking more asian...everybody thinks i have some japanese..and people think my mother is filipina...Ana Lemmer

Published by Denise Hernand… – Mon, 2012-08-13 15:11 | Permalink

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Regarding Scandinavian results, slaves from Scandinavia were sold in the slave markets of Seville back when the Moors controlled that part of the Iberian Peninsula. Slaves in Spain were often people taken as prisoners of war, so dont just think in terms of people from sub-Saharan Africa captured and sold into slavery. And there were a lot of slaves in general in Seville in the 1400's and 1500's, so the relatively high percentage of Scandinavian genes is really not so surprising.

See this excerpt on the topic of scandinavian slaves in Spain:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=T2grY7NbnygC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=s…

from:
Slavery and Social Death: A Comparative Study,Harvard University Press, 1982 p. 154 - 156, by Orlando Patterson

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

Comment

Denise,

Thanks, that's pretty interesting. I was thinking last night that the Scandinavian part might have been from the British Isles, since the Vikings were in parts of England and Ireland raping and pillaging. I had no idea there were Scandinavian slaves in Spain; I will definitely read up on this.

Kristine,

If you're Mexican, the Southern European would be expected, even if you haven't found the source yet. Native South American might be from waaaay back when they left some DNA in Mexico on their way to SA. That's what I'm assuming with *my* Native South American results.

Ana,

Your Middle Eastern results are what I was wondering about when I asked if many Latinos come up with this. It might come from Jews/Arabs being in Spain. I wonder how scientists differentiate between Jews and Palestinians tho. Hmmmm... I think the Maya is the part that makes you look Asian.

Errata.

After doing some "research" on the internet, I think my East Asian genes really indicate Native American (which is not totally uncommon), but then why don't they just show up as NA? I also figured and read that many think the South Asian is indeed Gypsy/Roma, which I'm guessing came by way of Spain. I wish I could get my mother to take the test, so we could compare results (tho she's full Mexican).

One of my biggest surprises was how far back the testing went. I'm really surprised by the whole East Asian & Scandinavian parts. I guess there could've been some chinos in my family in Mexico or something, but somehow I don't think so.

Laura Gonzalez

Comment

Chinos in Mexico? My father who was from Zacatecas said there were "chinos", but I found out that they were Filipinos brought in ships from the Philipine Islands. The Philipines were part of King Philip of Spain's empire.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mayangrl@sonic.net
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:59:20 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA-Scandinavian Connection, etc.
>
> Denise,
>
> Thanks, that's pretty interesting. I was thinking last night that the Scandinavian part might have been from the British Isles, since the Vikings were in parts of England and Ireland raping and pillaging. I had no idea there were Scandinavian slaves in Spain; I will definitely read up on this.
>
> Kristine,
>
> If you're Mexican, the Southern European would be expected, even if you haven't found the source yet. Native South American might be from waaaay back when they left some DNA in Mexico on their way to SA. That's what I'm assuming with *my* Native South American results.
>
> Ana,
>
> Your Middle Eastern results are what I was wondering about when I asked if many Latinos come up with this. It might come from Jews/Arabs being in Spain. I wonder how scientists differentiate between Jews and Palestinians tho. Hmmmm... I think the Maya is the part that makes you look Asian.
>
> Errata.
>
> After doing some "research" on the internet, I think my East Asian genes really indicate Native American (which is not totally uncommon), but then why don't they just show up as NA? I also figured and read that many think the South Asian is indeed Gypsy/Roma, which I'm guessing came by way of Spain. I wish I could get my mother to take the test, so we could compare results (tho she's full Mexican).
>
> One of my biggest surprises was how far back the testing went. I'm really surprised by the whole East Asian & Scandinavian parts. I guess there could've been some chinos in my family in Mexico or something, but somehow I don't think so.
>
>
> Laura Gonzalez

Comment

You're so right Emilie,

That's why the Phillipines were named after King Phillip, thus, the Phillipines.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA-Scandinavian Connection, etc.

Chinos in Mexico?  My father who was from Zacatecas said there were "chinos", but I found out that they were Filipinos brought in ships from the Philipine Islands.  The Philipines were part of King Philip of Spain's empire. 

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mayangrl@sonic.net
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:59:20 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA-Scandinavian Connection, etc.
>
> Denise,
>
> Thanks, that's pretty interesting. I was thinking last night that the Scandinavian part might have been from the British Isles, since the Vikings were in parts of England and Ireland raping and pillaging. I had no idea there were Scandinavian slaves in Spain; I will definitely read up on this.
>
> Kristine,
>
> If you're Mexican, the Southern European would be expected, even if you haven't found the source yet. Native South American might be from waaaay back when they left some DNA in Mexico on their way to SA. That's what I'm assuming with *my* Native South American results.
>
> Ana,
>
> Your Middle Eastern results are what I was wondering about when I asked if many Latinos come up with this. It might come from Jews/Arabs being in Spain. I wonder how scientists differentiate between Jews and Palestinians tho. Hmmmm... I think the Maya is the part that makes you look Asian.
>
> Errata.
>
> After doing some "research" on the internet, I think my East Asian genes really indicate Native American (which is not totally uncommon), but then why don't they just show up as NA? I also figured and read that many think the South Asian is indeed Gypsy/Roma, which I'm guessing came by way of Spain. I wish I could get my mother to take the test, so we could compare results (tho she's full Mexican).
>
> One of my biggest surprises was how far back the testing went. I'm really surprised by the whole East Asian & Scandinavian parts. I guess there could've been some chinos in my family in Mexico or something, but somehow I don't think so.
>
>
> Laura Gonzalez

Comment

Laura,

The test you took is what is called an Autosomal STR test. What they do is
match certain STR results with certain regions but the database is so small
that it isn't really accurate. Apart from that DNA is much older than any
of the ethnic groups that have existed over the past 2,000 years. Also,
ethnicities, languages, nationalities, and DNA are exclusive of each other.
The people they are calling English or Scandinavian could have been the
same hunter-gatherers that first entered Europe 40,000 or so years ago or
the farmers that entered Europe at a later date.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/07/bronze-age-indo-european-invasion-…
Something to keep in mind is that the Y-DNA of the British is very similar
to Spanish Y-DNA and they probably don't have enough samples from Spaniards
to differentiate them from other Europeans.

There are a lot of people that are upset with their results from
Ancestry.com DNA test results
http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2012/04/02/a-review-of-ancestrydna…

There are hints of Asian ancestry in Northern Europeans
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/07/hints-of-eastcentral-asian-admixtu…

DNA of Mexican Indians from central and southern Mexico match closely with
those from South America. The Indians from the north such as the Tarahumara
match with Indians from the U.S. such as the Pima. Unfortunately
Ancestry.com doesn't understand Mexico is in North America.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/05/y-chromosome-diversity-in-native.h…

Here is another study on Native Americans -
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/05/y-chromosome-diversity-in-native.h…

Here is a comparative study of Jews and non-Jews -
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/fastibd-analysis-of-several-jewish…

National Geographic will be starting a new Genographic 2.0 project with a
Illumina iSelect HD chip and about about 150,000 SNPs

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/07/genographic-20-launched.html

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/07/national-geographic-and-f…

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:59 PM, wrote:

> Denise,
> Thanks, that's pretty interesting. I was thinking last night that the
> Scandinavian part might have been from the British Isles, since the Vikings
> were in parts of England and Ireland raping and pillaging. I had no idea
> there were Scandinavian slaves in Spain; I will definitely read up on this.
>
> Kristine,
>
> If you're Mexican, the Southern European would be expected, even if you
> haven't found the source yet. Native South American might be from waaaay
> back when they left some DNA in Mexico on their way to SA. That's what I'm
> assuming with *my* Native South American results.
>
> Ana,
> Your Middle Eastern results are what I was wondering about when I asked if
> many Latinos come up with this. It might come from Jews/Arabs being in
> Spain. I wonder how scientists differentiate between Jews and Palestinians
> tho. Hmmmm... I think the Maya is the part that makes you look Asian.
>
> Errata.
>
> After doing some "research" on the internet, I think my East Asian genes
> really indicate Native American (which is not totally uncommon), but then
> why don't they just show up as NA? I also figured and read that many think
> the South Asian is indeed Gypsy/Roma, which I'm guessing came by way of
> Spain. I wish I could get my mother to take the test, so we could compare
> results (tho she's full Mexican).
>
> One of my biggest surprises was how far back the testing went. I'm really
> surprised by the whole East Asian & Scandinavian parts. I guess there
> could've been some chinos in my family in Mexico or something, but somehow
> I don't think so.
>

> Laura Gonzalez

Comment

Hi Laura, I received my results of family finder

57.04% Europe Western Europe (French, Spanish)
29.62% Central American Native American (Mayan)
8.25 % Midle East Mozabite, Palestinian, Jewish,Bedouin
5.09 % East Asia (Siberian) Yakut

As you can see the Family tree DNA put diferent the result, I think Siberian and Native American is the same and maybe the R1b west european could be from midle east migration several thousands of years bfore the present.

Published by October Fly (not verified) – Mon, 2012-08-13 09:52 | Permalink

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Laura,

Congratulations on getting your results back. I have not submitted a DNA test for myself, but it's on my agenda. It's my opinion, that you have to disarm yourself and leave aside any pre-conceived notion of who you think you are when you are doing your genealogy research, especially when you are lucky enough to have DNA results. There is a great documentary that helped me understand DNA results that you should watch, if you haven't already: "Human Family Tree" by National Geographic. The last time I checked, it was on Netflix Instant.

Published by magicalme – Mon, 2012-08-13 07:43 | Permalink

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Hello,

I also received my DNA results from Ancestry.com, and had some odd results as well. Not quite as varied as yours, but still a little odd.

Native North American 32% (Makes sense, USA & Mexico-but thought this would be higher)
Southern European 26% (Spain.. ok, makes sense-assuming Father side. Haven't found the source yet though)
Native South American 16% (don't know which side yet)
Finnish/Folga-Ural 12%(makes no sense!)I guess I am part Russian & Finnish!!
Uncertain 14%

So you are not alone in receiving some strange information. But I think that it makes the hunt for our ancestors all the more fun and exciting. Of course there is always room for error, as with the "Uncertain" part.

I know this really isn't an answer to your questions, but you are definitely not alone in your DNA test results confusions!

Kristine Wulf

Seeking information on Grandparents in State of Jalisco, area of Los Altos

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Hello! My name is Ann Marie Gutierrez and I am seeking info on my grandparents and great-grandparents whom I believe where from the area of Los Altos de Jalisco.

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Published by martin0520 – Fri, 2012-08-17 08:35 | Permalink

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Norma West
My grandfather was Gabino Gutierrez from Jalisco and read your post with interest. His father was Monico Gutierrez, grandfather Guadlupe Gutierrez. I don't think that it is the same line posted as the mothers are different, but my grandfather had blue eyes and that caught my attention. If anything is familiar with your in-law line I would be interested.
Thanks

Published by agutierrez07 – Fri, 2012-08-17 11:45 | Permalink

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Hi Norma, I'm so glad you wrote.  I just responded to another person who asked
about possible ties since there are close places of birth(pob) and the name of
Gutierrez.  My grandfather, Izequio (sp?) Gutierrez was tall, fair, light hair
and blue eyes.  My grandmother, Maria Teresa Gomez was tall for a women, 6 feet
tall!, and had green eyes, I got the green eyes.  They are from the state of
Jalisco close to San Diego de Alejandria, other places mentioned was San
Julian, Arandas and what a friend of mine called 'Los Llanos' in Jalisco
supposedly on the state border of Guanajuato.  Let's keep in touch and see if we
are distantly related since my father-in-law used to tease me that we were
"parientes" related since we come from the same area in Jalisco and we looked
alike.   As you can see, my paternal grandmother was "Guadalupe Gutierrez."  
Who knows we may be distant cousins! 

Keep in touch
  
Ann M. Gutierrez
Chicago, IL

________________________________
From: "madquilter8@att.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, August 17, 2012 1:02:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez

Norma West
My grandfather was Gabino Gutierrez from Jalisco and read your post with
interest. His father was Monico Gutierrez, grandfather Guadlupe Gutierrez. I
don't think that it is the same line posted as the mothers are different, but my
grandfather had blue eyes and that caught my attention. If anything is familiar
with your in-law line I would be interested.
Thanks

Published by agutierrez07 – Fri, 2012-08-17 11:45 | Permalink

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Norma, I forgot to mention, yes, my father-in-law was tall, fair, blond hair and
blue eyes.  My first son is the spitting image of my father-in-law. He has the
same blond streak in his hair like my in law.  We call it the Gutierrez streak
since my other two sons also are blond and blue eyes with the streak.  My
father-in-law's name was Lino Gutierrez;  my mother-in-law was Natividad
Hurtado. I don't know if they married in jalisco but I do know they moved to
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.  Hope that helps.

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: "madquilter8@att.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, August 17, 2012 1:02:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez

Norma West
My grandfather was Gabino Gutierrez from Jalisco and read your post with
interest. His father was Monico Gutierrez, grandfather Guadlupe Gutierrez. I
don't think that it is the same line posted as the mothers are different, but my
grandfather had blue eyes and that caught my attention. If anything is familiar
with your in-law line I would be interested.
Thanks

Published by PappyRod – Thu, 2012-08-16 21:43 | Permalink

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Ann Marie,
This was pretty easy. Start with what you know...

LLamara Maria del Socorro Gutierrez born on 12Jul1912 en San Diego de Alejandria.
From the Civil records, 1907-1914:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

Father: Theserquio (sp?) Gutierrez
Mother: Teresa Gomez

Paternos: Guadalupe Gutierrez y Refugio Camarena
Maternos: Jesus Gomez y Porfiria Guerrero

This should get you on your way,
Good Searching,
Roy

Comment

Llamara means "will be named"

The baptism of a son of Guadalupe Gutierrez and Refugio Camarena shows the
parents of Guadalupe to be Blas Gutiérrez and María Gregoria García married
20 Feb 1832 in Arandas. The baptism of one of their children shows the
parents of Blas Gutiérrez to be Manuel Gutiérrez and Magdalena Martín. A
search of Geneanet.org gives me the following page http://goo.gl/hb0NF that
goes back to Salvador Gutiérrez de Mendoza and Mariana Hurtado de Mendoza
married 16 October 1719 in Lagos de Moreno. They had a dispensation request
22 Ago 1719
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-22531-1?cc=1874591&wc=…
it shows Salvador to be the son of Salvador Gutiérrez de Mendoza and
Damiana Vázquez de Lara. Another search of Geneanet.org gives me the
following page http://goo.gl/pwqVo which goes back to the first Gutiérrez
of this line, and also ancestors of mine and many alteños, Francisco
Gutiérrez Rubio and his wife Ana González Florida.

Marriage of Jesus Gomez and Porfiria Guerrero
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZT5-XYD
Baptism of Jesus Gomez https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXWJ-D2R
Baptims of Luciano Gomez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-21644-31?cc=1874591&wc…
Marriage of Luciano Gomez https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JC8F-HTH
Marriage of Domingo Mendez and María Ignacia de Herrera in Ayo El Chico
(Ayotlán) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZNF-P6G
Marriage of Joaquín Mendez and María de Jesús García
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCDP-T2H

Saludos,
Armando

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM, wrote:

> Ann Marie,
> This was pretty easy. Start with what you know...
>
> LLamara Maria del Socorro Gutierrez born on 12Jul1912 en San Diego de
> Alejandria.
> From the Civil records, 1907-1914:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?**
> cc=1918187&wc=12863898
>
> Father: Theserquio (sp?) Gutierrez
> Mother: Teresa Gomez
>
> Paternos: Guadalupe Gutierrez y Refugio Camarena
> Maternos: Jesus Gomez y Porfiria Guerrero
>
> This should get you on your way,
> Good Searching,
> Roy

Comment

Hola Armando,  THANK YOU SO MUCH for your search. It's amazing what you have
found.  Would you believe my father-in-law is also a Gutierrez originally from
Jalisco than they moved to Aguascalientes.  He used to tease me and say I must
be a "pariente" because we looked alike.  He had blue eyes and I have green
eyes.  I think you have found the family of my in-laws.  I am so grateful and
appreciate your assistance.  I will check out the websites you indicated.  Have
a great day and again, THANK YOU!

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, August 17, 2012 5:18:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Socorro Gutierrez

Llamara means "will be named"

The baptism of a son of Guadalupe Gutierrez and Refugio Camarena shows the
parents of Guadalupe to be Blas Gutiérrez and María Gregoria García married
20 Feb 1832 in Arandas. The baptism of one of their children shows the
parents of Blas Gutiérrez to be Manuel Gutiérrez and Magdalena Martín. A
search of Geneanet.org gives me the following page http://goo.gl/hb0NF that
goes back to Salvador Gutiérrez de Mendoza and Mariana Hurtado de Mendoza
married 16 October 1719 in Lagos de Moreno. They had a dispensation request
22 Ago 1719
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-22531-1?cc=1874591&wc=…

it shows Salvador to be the son of Salvador Gutiérrez de Mendoza and
Damiana Vázquez de Lara. Another search of Geneanet.org gives me the
following page http://goo.gl/pwqVo which goes back to the first Gutiérrez
of this line, and also ancestors of mine and many alteños, Francisco
Gutiérrez Rubio and his wife Ana González Florida.

Marriage of Jesus Gomez and Porfiria Guerrero
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZT5-XYD
Baptism of Jesus Gomez https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXWJ-D2R
Baptims of Luciano Gomez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-21644-31?cc=1874591&wc…
Marriage of Luciano Gomez https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JC8F-HTH
Marriage of Domingo Mendez and María Ignacia de Herrera in Ayo El Chico
(Ayotlán) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZNF-P6G
Marriage of Joaquín Mendez and María de Jesús García
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCDP-T2H

Saludos,
Armando

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM, wrote:

> Ann Marie,
> This was pretty easy.  Start with what you know...
>
> LLamara Maria del Socorro Gutierrez born on 12Jul1912 en San Diego de
> Alejandria.
> From the Civil records, 1907-1914:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?**
>cc=1918187&wc=12863898
>>
>
> Father: Theserquio (sp?) Gutierrez
> Mother: Teresa Gomez
>
> Paternos: Guadalupe Gutierrez y Refugio Camarena
> Maternos: Jesus Gomez y Porfiria Guerrero
>
> This should get you on your way,
> Good Searching,
> Roy

Comment

THANK YOU!  You have no idea the hours I've spent trying to search on
Acestrydotcom and FamilySearch and other websites.  I thank you from the bottom
of my heart for the assistance and for presenting me with my Mother's civil
registration and also the names of my grandparents...I was almost in
tears.  Words cannot convey what I feel.....all I can say is THANK YOU.
Now that I have the full names of my grandparents, I'll keep searching and I
promise I won't blubber all over you.....have a great day...
Que Dios Los Bendiga a Todos...gracias por su ayuda y apoyo.

 Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: "rvr_jr@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, August 16, 2012 11:43:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Socorro Gutierrez

Ann Marie,
This was pretty easy.  Start with what you know...

LLamara Maria del Socorro Gutierrez born on 12Jul1912 en San Diego de
Alejandria.
From the Civil records, 1907-1914:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21318-9610-43?cc=1918187&…

Father: Theserquio (sp?) Gutierrez
Mother: Teresa Gomez

Paternos: Guadalupe Gutierrez y Refugio Camarena
Maternos: Jesus Gomez y Porfiria Guerrero

This should get you on your way,
Good Searching,
Roy

Comment

Ann Marie Gutierrez

GRACIAS A TODOS QUIEN AYUDARON EN ENCONTRAR EL REGISTRO CIVIL DE MI MAMA. I'm not that fluent in writing Spanish but I guess you all get the jest of what I'm trying to say...THANK YOU!
You have no idea how many hours I have spent trying to find information on my Mom---and all of a sudden---thanks to you guys, there it was. I don't have the words to convey how grateful I am.
I was almost in tears when I saw the birth registratiton of my Mom. GRACIAS, MUCHAS GRACIAS!

Comment

Ann Marie Gutierrez

Roy, I appreciate the info you sent, especially since I'm not proficient at doing searches. When I tried to access the info you sent, to make a copy, at first it would not respond and then I finally got it. My question to you, is there a way we can purchase a photo of the file to have a better copy for our family album. Please let me know. Thank you.

Familia Villalobos Dávalos

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Hello everyone,

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Published by Armando – Sun, 2009-11-22 12:54 | Permalink

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Acabo de encontrar a un José María Villalobos nacido en La Mesa de Lagos de Moreno el 26 de Agosto de 1781. Se que hay muchos aqui que tienen datos sobre los Villalobos de La Mesa. ¿Hay alguien que me puede decir con quien se casó?
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage;c=1…

I just found a José María Villalobos born in La Mesa of Lagos de Moreno August, 26 1781. I know there are a lot of members that have info on the Villalobos of La Mesa. Can anyone tell me who he married?
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage;c=1…

Gracias de antemano.
Thanks

Armando

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Carlos Favian Villalobos Gonzalez

Hola que tal Armando veo que hace unos años escribiste que andabas buscando informacion sobre tus antepasados siendo uno de ellos Bernardo Villalobos. Te comento que actualmente me encuentro tambien tratando de descubrir informacion similar pero yo por parte de lo que creo fue su segundo matrimonia a Ygnacia Velazquez, al parecer despues de que fallecio su primera esposa Juana Davalos, pues al menos asi dice el acta de matrimonio de 1861 es cuando se casa con su segunda esposa. Si te interesa alomejor nos podemos ayudar a encontrar informacion igual y te paso la que yo tengo pues de acuerdo a un acta de nacimiento de Bernardo Villalobos, de Lagos, Jalisco, sus padres son Jose Maria Villalobos y Calixtra Santoyo, por lo que no se si nos referimos a la misma familia pero bueno como quiera estoy a tus ordenes.

Published by elisaakamommy – Tue, 2009-06-16 10:12 | Permalink

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Found Bernardo on the VRI for Mexico

Bernardo Villalobos
Christened 30 Aug 1813
Encarnacion, Jalisco
Father: Cristoval Villalobos
Mother: Maria Navarro
Paternal grandfather: Juan Villalobos
Paternal grandmother: Antonia Martin
Maternal grandfather: Cristoval Navarro
Maternal grandmother: Antonia Martin

Batch C602692
Film/Fisch # 1155173

I hope this helps you :)

Elisa

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Elisa,
Thanks for the info. I found the birth record of Bernardo Villalobo Santoyo of 25 Aug 1828 in film # 221431. I also found the birth record of Hermelinda Villalobos Dávalos of 9 April 1860, film # 221443, which has the paternal grandparents listed as José María Villalobos and Calista Santoyo and the maternal grandparents listed as Rafael Dávalos and Narsisa Losano. So now I want to find more info on Juana Dávalos Losano, Rafael Dávalos, Narsisa Losano, José María Villalobos, and Calista Santoyo. The problem is that all, except Juana Dávalos, could have been born anywhere between 1780 to 1815. That's 10 films to have to look through. I did find a marriage of a Rafael Dávalos and a Malena Losano on 10 Jan 1812. Malena and Narsisa Losano may be the same person but I have no way to prove it. What I really need is a birth record of a Dávalos Losano with the grandparents listed. In short this is what I have...

Elisa, gracias por la información. Encontré el registro de bautismo de Bernardo Villalobo Santoyo del 25 Aug 1828 en microfilm # 221431. Tambien encontré el registro de bautismo de Hermelinda Villalobos Dávalos del 9 April 1860, microfilm # 221443, que tiene apuntado los abuelos paternos José María Villalobos y Calista Santoyo y los abuelos maternos Rafael Dávalos y Narsisa Losano. As que me gustaria encontran mas datos sobre Juana Dávalos Losano, Rafael Dávalos, Narsisa Losano, José María Villalobos, y Calista Santoyo. El problema es que todos, menos Juana Dávalos, pueden haber nacido en cualquier año entre 1780 y 1815. Eso quiere decir que tendrian que revisar 10 microfilms, si los registraron en Lagos. Sí encontré a un matrimonio entre un Rafael Dávalos y un Malena Losano en el 10 Jan 1812. Malena y Narsisa Losano pueden ser la misma persona pero no tengo como comprobarlo. Lo que me necesito es un registro de bautismo de algun Dávalos Losano con los nombres de los abuelos. En breve de lo que tengo es....

1- Armando Antuñano Tovar
b. 24.9.1939 Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

2- Joaquin Antuñano Villalobos
b. 10.05.1890 Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
d. 21.11.1952 Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

3- Ma Dolores Tovar Renteria
b. 28.04.1898 Mexico D.F.
d. 09.03.1978 Mexico D.F.

4- José Antonio Antuñano San Martín
b. 04.01.1830 Lanestosa, Vizcaya, España
d. 08.07.1896 Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

5- Hermelinda Celsa de la Trinidad Villalobos Dávalos
b. 09.04.1860 Encarnación de Díaz

6- Jose Tovar
7- Sixta Renteria

8- Genaro Benito Antuñano Iturralde
b. 19 Sep 1805 Hoz de Marrón, Cantabria, España

9- Petra San Martín Ortiz
b. 23 Feb 1797 Balmaseda, Vizcaya, España

10- Bernardo de la Trinidad Villalobos Santoyo
b. 25.08.1828 Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

11- Juana Dávalos Losano
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16. José Fermin Antuñano Gordon
b. 6 July 1777 Balmaseda, Vizcaya, España

17. Narcisa Iturralde Torre
18. Severino San Martín
19. Ventura Ortiz Alcorta
20. José María Villalobos
21. Calista Santoyo
22. Rafael Dávalos
23. Narsisa Losano

Elisa is my daughter's name by the way. I picked it just because I liked it and for no other reason.

Armando

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Hola Guillermo,
No tengo idea. Me ha dicho una señora de Lagos de Moreno de apellidos Hernandez Esparza que es pariente de nosotros pero nunca me ha dicho como.

Armando

Published by mexicanfhr – Thu, 2009-06-04 00:09 | Permalink

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Armando,

I did some looking on your family today, and I found some information for you (both upwards and downwards):

Ahnentafel Chart for Armando Antuñano Tovar
First Generation
1. Armando Antuñano Tovar was born on 24 Sep 1939. He died in 1989 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

Second Generation
2. Joaquin Antuñano Villalobos was born on 10 May 1890 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 21 Nov 1952 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. Joaquin married Maria Dolores Tovar Renteria.
3. Maria Dolores Tovar Renteria was born on 28 Apr 1898 in Mexico, Distrito Federal, Mexico. She was christened on 2 May 1898 in San Cosme y San Damián, San Cosme, Distrito Federal, Mexico. She died on 9 Mar 1978 in Mexico, Distrito Federal, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 1 M i. Armando Antuñano Tovar was born on 24 Sep 1939. He died in 1989.

Third Generation
4. José Antonio Antuñano San Martín was born on 4 Jan 1830 in Lanestosa, Vizcaya, Spain. He died on 8 Jul 1896 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. José married HERMELINDA CELSA DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS DAVALOS on 3 May 1877 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
5. HERMELINDA CELSA DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS DAVALOS was born in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. She was christened on 9 Apr 1860 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
They had the following children.
F i. Maria Petra Narcisa Antunano Villalobos was christened on 10 Mar 1878 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
M ii. Genaro Benito Antuñano Villalobos was christened on 31 May 1880 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
F iii. Maria Teresa Antuñano Villalobos was christened on 2 Mar 1889 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
+ 2 M iv. Joaquin Antuñano Villalobos was born on 10 May 1890. He died on 21 Nov 1952.
6. Jose Tovar. Jose married Sixta Renteria.
7. Sixta Renteria.
They had the following children.
+ 3 F i. Maria Dolores Tovar Renteria was born on 28 Apr 1898. She died on 9 Mar 1978.
M ii. Jose Alfonso Raimundo Tovar Y Renteria was christened on 28 Jan 1897 in Inmaculado Corazón de María, Guerrero Noroeste, Distrito Federal, Mexico.

Fourth Generation
8. Genaro Benito Antuñano. Genaro married Petra San Martin.
9. Petra San Martin.
They had the following children.
+ 4 M i. José Antonio Antuñano San Martín was born on 4 Jan 1830. He died on 8 Jul 1896.
M ii. Placido Antuñano.
10. BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS SANTOYO was christened on 25 Aug 1828 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. BERNARDO married Juana Davalos.
11. Juana Davalos.
They had the following children.
M i. ANDREZ VILLALOVOS DAVALOS was christened on 16 Nov 1851 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
M ii. JOVITO VILLALOVOS DABALOS was christened on 20 Feb 1853 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
F iii. JOSEFA VILLALOVOS DAVALOS was christened on 25 Mar 1854 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
M iv. CELESTINO VILLALOBOS DAVALOS was christened on 8 Apr 1857 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
M v. ADELAIDO VILLALOBOS DABALOS was christened on 20 Dec 1858 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
+ 5 F vi. HERMELINDA CELSA DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS DAVALOS was christened on 9 Apr 1860.
F vii. Ysabel Villalobos Davalos.

Fifth Generation
20. Jose Maria Villalobos. Jose married Calista Santoya.
21. Calista Santoya.
They had the following children.
+ 10 M i. BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS SANTOYO was christened on 25 Aug 1828.

Modified Register for BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS SANTOYO
First Generation
1. BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS SANTOYO was christened on 25 Aug 1828 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
BERNARDO married Juana Davalos.
They had the following children.
2 M i. ANDREZ VILLALOVOS DAVALOS was christened on 16 Nov 1851 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
3 M ii. JOVITO VILLALOVOS DABALOS was christened on 20 Feb 1853 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
+ 4 F iii. JOSEFA VILLALOVOS DAVALOS was christened on 25 Mar 1854.
5 M iv. CELESTINO VILLALOBOS DAVALOS was christened on 8 Apr 1857 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
6 M v. ADELAIDO VILLALOBOS DABALOS was christened on 20 Dec 1858 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
+ 7 F vi. HERMELINDA CELSA DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS DAVALOS was christened on 9 Apr 1860.
+ 8 F vii. Ysabel Villalobos Davalos.
BERNARDO also married Ygnacia Velazquez on 16 Oct 1861 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
They had the following children.
9 F viii. Maria Soledad Villalobos Velazquez was christened on 9 Sep 1862 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
10 F ix. Ma. Bernarda Villalovos Velasquez was born on 10 Sep 1863. She was christened on 11 Sep 1863 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
11 M x. Jose Ma. Deciderio Villalobos Velasquez was christened on 12 Feb 1865 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
12 M xi. J. Miguel Villalobos Velasquez was christened on 16 Jul 1866 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
13 F xii. Ma. Ysabel Villalobos Velasquez was christened on 17 Feb 1868 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
14 F xiii. Ana Maria Villalobos Velazquez was christened on 8 Mar 1869 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
15 M xiv. Miguel Joaquin Villalobos Velazquez was christened on 14 May 1870 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
16 F xv. Maria Ynes Villalovos Velazquez was born on 27 Jul 1871. She was christened on 30 Jul 1871 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
17 M xvi. José Alfonso Villalobos Velazquez was christened on 30 Nov 1872 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
18 M xvii. Ramon Villalobos Velazquez was christened on 28 Jul 1878 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
19 F xviii. Ygnacia Villalobos Velazquez was born on 30 Jan 1874. She was christened on 7 Feb 1874 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
20 F xix. Maria Elena Villalobos Velazquez was born on 21 Jul 1875. She was christened on 26 Jul 1875 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
Second Generation
4. JOSEFA VILLALOVOS DAVALOS (BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD) was christened on 25 Mar 1854 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
JOSEFA married Telesforo Espinoza.
They had the following children.
21 F i. Maria de la Concepcion Espinoza Villalobos was born in 1875.
7. HERMELINDA CELSA DE LA TRINIDAD VILLALOBOS DAVALOS (BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD) was born in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. She was christened on 9 Apr 1860 in Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
HERMELINDA married José Antonio Antuñano San Martín, son of Genaro Benito Antuñano and Petra San Martin, on 3 May 1877 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. José was born on 4 Jan 1830 in Lanestosa, Vizcaya, Spain. He died on 8 Jul 1896 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
They had the following children.
22 F i. Maria Petra Narcisa Antunano Villalobos was christened on 10 Mar 1878 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
23 M ii. Genaro Benito Antuñano Villalobos was christened on 31 May 1880 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
24 F iii. Maria Teresa Antuñano Villalobos was christened on 2 Mar 1889 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
+ 25 M iv. Joaquin Antuñano Villalobos was born on 10 May 1890. He died on 21 Nov 1952.
8. Ysabel Villalobos Davalos (BERNARDO DE LA TRINIDAD).
Ysabel married Timoteo Velazquez on 15 Apr 1872 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
They had the following children.
26 F i. Juana Velazquez Villalobos was christened on 27 Jun 1873 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.
27 F ii. Maria Ynes Velazquez Villalobos was born on 21 Apr 1875. She was christened on 22 Apr 1875 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

Jonathan Walker (aka mexicanfhr)

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Jonathan,
I really appreciate the info. Almost everything I already had, that I was sure of, matches what you gave me.
I did already have all the Antuñano info back to 1576. There were a total of eight brothers and sisters for the Antuñano Villalobos family. Missing are Melchor (a bullfighter), Julían, Pedro (also a bullfighter), and Antonio. He might be Placido Antonio like his uncle Placido Antonio Antuñano San Martín.
My father, Armando Antuñano Tovar, had 10 brothers and sisters. Raquel, Adolfo, María Dolores, Samuel, Joaquín, Leticia, Emma, Licha, José de Jesus, and Ruth.

Are you able to go back farther in the Villalobos, Dávalos, Tovar, and Rentería lines? Also, there do seem to be some Villalobos Dávalos and Villalobos Velazquez siblings missing.

Armando

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