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Hello Paul,

In this case El Morisco is the name of ranch. It isn't a classification.

Saludos, Armando

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:23 PM, wrote:

> Today I was researching my Lizarraga line, and I discovered an interesting
> entry for my paternal 4th Great Grandfather, Salvador de Lizarraga, married
> to Maria Rosa de Herrera Anzaldo, on 20 Oct 1748 in Ixtlán del Río, Nayarit.
> The matrimonio record includes the following: "...vecinos de los ranchos de
> esta jurisdicción
> El Morisca". In addition below my grandfather's name in the margin of the
> page is the entry, "El Morisco", or "Morisco".
> My Velázquez dictionary reads: Morisco: a. Moorish, belonging to the Moors.
> 1. Name given to the Moors who remained in Spain after its restoration. 2.
> (Mex.) Quadroon. (The "Quadroon" dictionary definition, of course, is an
> "hijo de blanco y mulata o de muluto y mujer blanca".
> I had never to date in my family research seen this racial designation. So
> I am wondering is it more commonplace than I believe? I would be interested
> in your thoughts.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Paul Gomez
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Hola Miguel, yo tengo a Gertrudis Efigenia de la Torre Ledezma, la hija de Juan de la Torre Ledezma y Mariana Casillas y Cabrera, nacida el 03 de mayo de 1699; casada con Francisco Casillas y Cabrera el 10 de abril de 1723 en Jalostotitlán. Él es hijo de Martín Casillas y Cabrera y Paula de Torres.

Y la Gertrudis Efigenia de la Torre Ledezma, hija de Clemente de la Torre Ledezma y Catalina Franco de la Cueva, nacida el 12 de diciembre de 1705 en Tepatitlán; casó en Tepatitlán el 30 de mayo de 1724 con Domingo González Rubio, hijo de Domingo González Rubio y Catalina Márquez de los Olivos.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

Ruben, gracias

Para las personas de Nuestros Ranchos.

La Reunion de "La Gutierrada" son los descendientes de Jose Sotero Gutierrez Perez nacido Abril 22, 1853 en Los Portales y Maria de Jesus Romo Perez nacida cerca de 1864 . Ellos vivieron en el rancho de "La Escondida", cercas de Jalos, Jalisco. Ellos fueron casados Octubre 27, 1880 en Jalos. Sus 11 hijos nacieron entre 1883 a 1911.

Esta fue la tercer reunion normalmente hecha en el primer o segundo Sabado de Agosto
.
La reunion fue en Aguascalientes en el rancho "El Chaparral" La reunion fue muy bien organizada por la familia del sexto hijo de Sotero (Enrique de San Buenaventura Gutierrez Romo) nota. Los descendientes de cada hijo se turnean a patrocinar la fiesta cada año.
Cada año parece mejorar el numero de personas. Este fue mi primer año y quede impresionado de ver cercas de 1500 personas, y todas parientes.
El amor de nuestra cultura por diversa y rica de historia es la razon que personas como tu y yo, y pienso que todas las personas que usan Nuestros Ranchos nos motivamos a querer saber un poquito mas.

Me gustaria saber cuantos otros apellidos se juntan y donde.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez de la Torre(Miggy)
----- Original Message -----
From: ruben casillas moreno
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrada

Hola Mike, los felicito por la reunion familiar, nunca pense que se juntaran tantos, 1500 personas es un record.
Ruben Casillas M.

(sorry for my poor english)

Since the 19th century to mid 20th century La Villa de Nuestra Senora de la Encarnacion, now called City of Encarnacion de Diaz, was popularly named La Villita, nickname changed to "La Chona" used today.

Encarnacion de Diaz, is located about 40 km (25 milles) south of Aguascalientes, centered between San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno and Aguascalientes

This "Villita" has been parish, since 1778, therefore has had own parishioners
"feligresía". I Think the others "Villitas" belong, or are part of other parishioners, don`t have a own.

Miguel Beltran

There is a villita en the jursidicton between Calvillo, Ags and
Tabasco, Zac all pueblos close to each other, thats the famous
Villita. The other villitas I havent heard of much.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:49:40 -0600
> From: stuartarms@gmail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Feligrecía de Villita
>
> Has anyone heard of this place - Feligresía de Villita? (Ags marriage
> record dated 1874, birthplace of spouse). From context I presume it
> was in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, or Jalisco. And perhaps it could be
> intended to mean "Feligresía de la Villa de Aguascalientes", but
> that's a bit of a stretch. I found numerous Villitas in Ags, Zac, and
> Jalisco but most of them were ranchos or other small entities and I
> can't decide which of them, if any, may be part of a parish or
> feligresía of the same name.
> Incidentally, the record in question refers to persons who also lived
> in Letras, so I presume that unless they travelled far, Feligresía de
> Villita must have been not too far from Letras.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
>

Alice, I am unclear as whether you have looked at the film to see the mg
data. Names are too similar and too often repeated within families to make
any assumptions. But the entry may tell you where each was from and
sometimes notes the ages of the marrying individuals. I would begin there.

Hi Christopher, what areas of Zacatecas are we dealing with here?
My family los Perez de Camino owned about 7 haciendas in Zacatecas, mostly
the northern part, according to research Im getting through now. Though
they did not reside there, they mostly lived in Mexico city. This was in
the 1700s and early 1800s for these haciendas. They held lands n Puebla,
Mexico City, Jalisco, Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosi and Guanajuato.

Daniel Mendez de Camino

> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:13:22 -0700
> From: mound_oxley@yahoo.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haciendas of Zacatecas
>
> Off the top of my head, I am looking for the parents of my ggggrandmother,
> Urzina Hernandez. She was probably born in the 1830's or 1840's as she is the
> second wife of Cayetano Borjon who was born in abt 1825. I am related to the
> following families from this area: Borjons, Rincons, de Leons, Guererros, Ricos,
> Montellanos, Betancourts, Arias',Mesas,Lunas, Garcias, Mergils, Buenos,
> Magallanes',Amaros, Gonzalez',Hernandez',Carrillos, Laras, Villavencencios,
> Amayas, Santos', Roldans, and last but not least Barrios'. I believe she may
> have been born in Sauceda, Zacatecas or San Mateo, Zacatecas. I have checked
> LDS listings but have been unsuccessful. Any suggestions on how to continue
> when one has hit a brick wall?
>
>
> Thank you for your interest.
>
>
> Christopher Barrios de Leon
>
>
>

I just uploaded the 1679 Padrón de Jalos to my Hotmail Skydrive. See link below:

Acabo de subir el Padrón de Jalostotitlan de 1679. Ver link de abajo. Con el tiempo subire mas padrones de Jalos.

Padrón de Jalos de 1679

Sergio Gutierrez

I have actual pictures of the Jalos 1679 Padrón that I took while I was visiting the Guadalajara Arzobispado a few weeks ago. If you're interested please email me.

I also have other Padrones from 1650, 1670, 1672, 1679....al the way to 1846. Someday I will eventually upload them for all of nuestros ranchos to see. The files will be pdf but they are fairly large. I will need special permission to upload from the moderators.

Sergio Gutierrez

Thanks Claudia, now if there was a census for 1920's Jalisco, I would be exuberant! Can't trace my genealogy line further than that!

But thank you again.

Ruben

Hello Claudia,
Thanks for the census entry.  I'm sure many will find it useful, at the very least an interesting window into the past.
You're right about that's the way it was.  Still, I can't help but cringe when I realize how prevelant it was.   Recently I came across a defuncto entry where the priest entered "dominga, mi esclava".   I had no idea priests had slaves.  I saw many criada/o entries, so don't know why he didn't choose that route.   Thanks again,  Alice

--- On Thu, 8/26/10, claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:

From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Just posted: 1679 - Padron del Partido de Jalostotitlan, mas Siete Pueblos de Naturales
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 6:28 AM

Hi all -

I have adding the census taken in 1679 in Jalostotitlan & San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. It also contains records for families living in seven other pueblos in the surrounding area, most notable for their indigenous population.

LINK: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18950

I extracted the pages from the book titled "Historia de Nuestra Senora de San Juan de Los Lagos," which was published in Mexico in 1903 and is available at books.google.com. I though it would be convenient to post only the pages that contain the census.

It is hard to find ancestors unless you already have a substantial database of family groups with names from that period. I found it useful in confirming marriages and mother-father relationships that I had suspicions about, but had no concrete proof.

Please note that the letters "esc." after a name designates "slave/esclavo(a)" - kind of hard to take, but that's the way things were in those days. The census was finalized on May 6 of 1679.

Happy hunting.

Hi Pat:

I went to the Geneanet.org just to check it out. I tried the tab labeled
"origin of surname" I did a search for "Gonzalez"and it returned: "no
returns for your search".
I was surprised since Gonzalez is one the most popular Spanish surnames. I
was not trying to find out if there were any Gonzalez's in their database.
I was hoping to find the ORIGIN of the name, which I have already found in
more than one website.

I also visited the www.Genall.net page and you are right, there are a lot of
Gonzalez listed, but I couldn't find "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" This is in a
database that has 9990 surnames! Could be my eyesight.

Thank you Pat, I might go back to that site and check out some of its other
features.

John Gonzalez

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 21:55
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Linda - Re: Geneanet. org

> The website address is www.Geneall.net. I have used this website for
> years when researching my Portuguese ancestry.
>
> Once on the main page of Geneall I selected Espanol, by clicking on Base
> de Dados, on the left hand side of the page, one will find a listing of
> all the names that appear.
>
> I tried searching for the Gonzalez surname that John mentioned and I came
> up with hundreds of individuals with Gonzalez surnames.
>
> Pat Silva Corbera

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I am absolutely NOT posting an ad. I was merely posting an inquiry to my fellow genealogists as to the validity of this site.

As I mentioned before, I stumbled across it by accident and thought it was too good to be true. It seemed extremely easy (too easy), yet beneficial. Being the skeptic that I am, I was hoping to gain some feedback from anyone that might have used the site before offering any of my own research.

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

Linda, Esther has been a member for 7 years 10 weeks. It is not an ad. If
all of the NuetrosRanchos members had their tree on that site a lot of
people's missing info could be found much easier. I have mentioned the site
before and it is my preferred. I use Ancestry, Myheritage, rootsweb, and
Genoom. Nothing is better than Geneanet in my opinion.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Linda wrote:

> This looks like an ad:
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgwrote:
>
> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: esther1998@yahoo.com
>>
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GeneaNet.org
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>> I just stumbled across this website while doing some research. Has anyone
>> else used it before?
>>
>> It was a simple process of signing up for a free account (of course,
>> premium services are also available) in order to access trees of other
>> members. So far, I have found a large amount of information that pertains
>> to my family line. It takes a while to learn your way around, but it seems
>> easy enough to use. I haven't yet done so, but you are also able to share
>> your family tree with other genealogists.
>>
>> Any comments would be appreciated, especially from those who have used
>> this site before.
>>
>>

I went to the website just for a quick check and tried to look up, under
origins of surnames, "Gonzalez"' and it came back with " no data
available"
Gonzalez, one of the most popular Spanish surnames and they don't have any
data???

I don't believe I'll be using this website.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 05:58
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Geneanet. org

> This looks like an ad:
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, research- request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
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>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> I just stumbled across this website while doing some research. Has
>> anyone else used it before?
>>
>> It was a simple process of signing up for a free account (of course,
>> premium services are also available) in order to access trees of other
>> members. So far, I have found a large amount of information that
>> pertains to my family line. It takes a while to learn your way around,
>> but it seems easy enough to use. I haven't yet done so, but you are
>> also able to share your family tree with other genealogists.
>>
>> Any comments would be appreciated, especially from those who have used
>> this site before.
>>
>

Antonio

Hi Michael,

Where are you researching Huizar? I know that a lot of them are in the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico area.

Michael Huizar,

I am not presently focusing on deep research of my wife's ancestry; but,the parents of her grandfather --- Jocé Amado Acosta (1874-?)--- were Teodoro Acosta and Maria Jesus HUIZAR (1884-after 1930).

Since this is a relatively rare surname, I hope this is helpful to you.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

No todo los registros han sido subido, o sea que no esta completado por Zacatecas
es un proceso y tomara tiempo.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: amandamarycela@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:00:23 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] actas de nacimiento en Zacatecas
>
> Pregunta.....en donde se registraban los bautizos de los niños que nacían en Sain Alto, Zac.....ya que ese municipio no viene en el family search del estado.

Jose Antonio Michel
Hi Arturo; I'm a new member, so you might alresdy be familiar with this book. Catalogo de pasajeros a Indias. I know it is available from the UC San Diego library, Spanish version. It list passengers coming from Spain to the new world in the 16th and 17th century. Their names, names of their parents and children, their land of origen, what port they embarked at, their area of destination in the new world. Their profession, their relatives in the Indies, etc... I hope this helps.

Agon123,

Google "the Spanish in the New World", and it will bring up several articles to answer some of your questions.

I also found this link helpful: www.aasd.k12.wi.us/Staff/reedmarlyce/ChapterOutlines/Ch02.pdf
(Europeans encounter the New World).

Columbus landed in the Bahamas and it was decades later that Cortez made inroads into Mexico. The Spaniards were in competition also with the Portuguese mostly and other Europeans who were mainly motivated by greed and the desire to exploit the natural resources of the New World.

Probably the most numerous class of Europeans to journey to the new world were middle class, merchants and craftsmen and soldiers: Iron workers, mining engineers, cartographers, clergy, navigators, those who knew how to work with firearms, horses, wheeled vehicles, ships, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: agon123@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:43:41 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] From Spain to Zacatecas (and Jalisco, Aguascalientes, etc.)
>
> Hello Group,
> this is more of a history question, but it pertains directly to genealogy. I'm curious what books are available that talk about the process/journey that the Spanish immigrants took when they first arrived, then settled where they did? In others, where did they embark from Spain? Who were the people that immigrated (they weren't all Dukes and wealthy landowners!)? Where did they land in Mexico? Did they already have a destination in mind or did they have to make their own way? What was the role of the Spanish crown/government (such as for soldiers and landless folk?).
>
> If anyone can recommend some books that answers some of these questions, I'd appreciate it. Oh yeah, I guess I should mention that I can't really read Spanish beyond an elementary level.
>
> Saludos,
> Arturo
>

Hola Arturo,

I have found a couple of interesting volumes that add insight into the immigration process that some of our Spanish ancestors went through to get into Nueva España.

You're right, they had to land SOMEWHERE via boat - and Nueva Galicia is in the middle of the mainland! Here a couple of texts that bring to light the lives of these courageous immigrants, and the circumstances in which they traveled here:

1) La Vida Cotidiana en la America Española en Tiempos de Felipe II, Siglo XVI - by Georges Baudot (I only found it in Spanish, has a great chapter that describes the boat trip and travel conditions).

2) Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias, 1540-1616 - by Enrique Otte (there is an English language version, "Letters and People of the Spanish Indies, Sixteenth Century," also by Otte, but it only has 38 letters, vs. the 650 private correspondence exposed in the Spanish language version).

The above two works don't necessarily concentrate on Zacatecas personalities, but do give a realistic insight into the lives, thoughts, desires, hopes, and intentions of many Spanish immigrants. And you're right again! The vast majority of them were not Dukes or Hidalgos...most of them were poor and struggling back home. They were persuaded by their relatives who were already in the Indies to take the perilous trip. They did so with stories of land of milk-and-honey...

In addition to the "Land and Society" work by Chevalier, already mentioned here - there are the following texts, which give us insight into the lives of the folks living in Zacatecas:

3) Soldiers, Indians & Silver: The Northward Advance of New Spain, 1550-1600 - by Philip Wayne Powell

4) Silver Mining and Society in Colonial Mexico, Zacatecas, 1546-1700 - by P.J. Bakewell

5) Los Señores de Zacatecas: Una Aristocracia Minera del Siglo XVIII Novohispano - by Frederique Langue (again, I've only found this text in Spanish)

#4 and #5 above are heavy reads - they are academic texts, with lots of analytical data - but I have found a few invaluable nuggets of information that have been helpful in my searches.

---AND...naturally, your next step after the above, will be wanting to learn about the lives of your Spanish ancestors WHILE THEY LIVED IN SPAIN...if that's the case, then I recommend:

6) Spanish Society: 1400-1600 - by Teofilo F. Ruiz (a very insightful, easy read, that tells of the social, religious and political structures in Spain in the period of the migration to the Indies.

--Good luck, and happy searching!

-C

There are a number of books on the topic. One I read that was very helpful
was LAND AND SOCIETY IN COLONIAL MEXICO: The Great Hacienda BY FRANCOIS
CHEVALIER

Berkeley and Los Angeles

UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS

-Esperanza

> Hello Group,
> this is more of a history question, but it pertains directly to genealogy.
> I'm curious what books are available that talk about the process/journey
> that the Spanish immigrants took when they first arrived, then settled
> where they did? In others, where did they embark from Spain? Who were the
> people that immigrated (they weren't all Dukes and wealthy landowners!)?
> Where did they land in Mexico? Did they already have a destination in mind
> or did they have to make their own way? What was the role of the Spanish
> crown/government (such as for soldiers and landless folk?).
>
> If anyone can recommend some books that answers some of these questions,
> I'd appreciate it. Oh yeah, I guess I should mention that I can't really
> read Spanish beyond an elementary level.
>
> Saludos,
> Arturo
>

I will be there Natalie. Hopefully other Rancheros from the Washington metro area can join us!

Encontre dos hijas nacidas en San Luis Potosi en 1842 y 1844. Ya has de saber que Evarista nacio en 1819. Esto es lo unico que te puedo ofrecer como ayuda. Asumo que ya tienes los detalles que encontre. Si no, me avisas y te los mando.

David

-----Original Message-----
>From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
>Sent: Aug 16, 2010 7:47 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Evarista Castañeda Ruiz de Esparza
>
>Alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar la fecha de boda con Mariano Gordoa, y donde se casaron, Evarista fue hija de Juan Jose Nestor Castañeda y Crecencia Ruiz de Esparza y Romo de Vivar, fue bautizada en Jesus Maria Ags.

Encontre a Crescencia Esparsa casada con Nestor Castaneda el 27 de Oct 1818 en el Sagrario, Ags. Batch: M604859; Film: #299836. Tambien encontre los nombres de tres hermanos si es que no los tienes.

David en Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
>Sent: Aug 16, 2010 7:47 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Evarista Castañeda Ruiz de Esparza
>
>Alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar la fecha de boda con Mariano Gordoa, y donde se casaron, Evarista fue hija de Juan Jose Nestor Castañeda y Crecencia Ruiz de Esparza y Romo de Vivar, fue bautizada en Jesus Maria Ags.

According to family lore these Silvas are not related to the other Silvas of the HAcienda
whom came from Calvillo, Ags. These silvas Ive been told llegaron de otro pueblo,
by my grandfather he does not know. Nochistlan might explain a bit. In a matter of minutes
I was able to get Simon Saldivar's genealogy back to the 1700s. Family Search is incredible!
If this relation between Simon and Pedro is true then their father would be Rafael de Saldivar
and Francisca Olasaba married 7 may 1828 in Nochistlan. Simon's parents are Ambrosio Saldivar
and Maria de la Trinidad Perez. I can send a report if you want

Daniel Mendez de Camino

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: dirtyworklandscape@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:12:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saldivar Ramirez
>
> Wondering if anyone can help me tie in these people with Juan Silva Ramirez 1901 - 1994, hijo de Pedro Silva and Angela Ramirez. We had a family reunion this weekend and these names popped up and that Simon Saldivar Ramirez was primo de Juan Silva or Saldivar Ramirez. I am not sure if they are in true related, but seems close.
>
> Any idea? This is a brick wall. That Juan Silva never knew his parents family. His mother died when he was six years old and can't recall what happened to his father. If I recall he died before or right after his mother.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Husband
>
> SIMON SALDIVAR PEREZ Pedigree
>
> Birth: 24 MAR 1868 Llano De La Milpa, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Christening: 27 MAR 1868 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
> Marriage: 1888 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Death: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Burial: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wife
>
> JUANA RAMIREZ GOMEZ Pedigree
>
> Birth: 1870 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Christening: 1870 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
> Marriage: 1888 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Death: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Burial: 1935 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Children
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1. ALTAGRACIA SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
> Female
>
> Birth: 1898 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Christening:
> Death: 1928 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Burial: 1928 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2. MARIA GUADALUPE SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
> Female
>
> Birth: 1900 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Christening: 1900 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Death: 1977 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Burial: 1977 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3. HERMINIO SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
> Male
> Birth: 1902 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Christening: 1902 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
> Death: 1970 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Burial: 1970 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 4. PEDRO SALDIVAR RAMIREZ Pedigree
> Male
>
> Birth: 1906 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Christening: 1906 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Death: 1979 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
> Burial: 1979 Tlachichila, , Zacatecas, Mexico
>
>
>